UFC 210: Cormier vs. Johnson 2

Date: Saturday, April 8th
Preliminary Card (UFC Fight Pass): 23:15 LP.net / 3:15pm PST / 6:15pm EST
Preliminary Card (Fox Sports 1): 1:00 LP.net / 5pm PST / 8pm EST
Main Card (PPV): 3:00 LP.net / 7pm PST / 10pm EST
Live Streams: http://firstrowus1.eu/




Main Card (PPV)

Daniel Cormier (18-1) vs. Anthony Johnson (22-5) (Light Heavyweight Championship)
Chris Weidman (13-2) vs. Gegard Mousasi (41-6-2) (Middleweight)
Cynthia Calvillo (4-0) vs. Pearl Gonzalez (6-1) (Women's Strawweight)
Thiago Alves (21-11) vs. Patrick Cote (23-10) (Welterweight)
Will Brooks (18-2) vs. Charles Oliveira (21-7) (Lightweight)

Preliminary Card (Fox Sports 1)

Myles Jury (15-2) vs. Mike De La Torre (14-6) (Featherweight)
Kamaru Usman (9-1) vs. Sean Strickland (18-1) (Welterweight)
Charles Rosa (11-2) vs. Shane Burgos (8-0) (Featherweight)
Patrick Cummins (8-4) vs. Jan Blachowicz (19-6) (Light Heavyweight)

Preliminary Card (UFC Fight Pass)

Josh Emmett (11-0) vs. Desmond Green (19-5) (Lightweight)
Gregor Gillespie (8-0) vs. Andrew Holbrook (12-1) (Lightweight)
Katlyn Chookagian (8-1) vs. Irene Aldana (7-3) (Women's Bantamweight)
Jenel Lausa (7-2) vs. Magomed Bibulatov (13-0) (Flyweight)

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First impression of the match-ups:

• Cormier > Johnson
• Mousasi > Weidman
• Calvillo vs. Gonzalez (dunno)
• Cote > Alves
• Brooks vs. Oliveira (dunno)
• Jury > Torre
• Usman vs. Strickland (dunno)
• Burgos > Rosa
• Blachowicz > Cummins
• Green > Emmett
• Gillespie > Holbrook
• Chookagian > Aldana
• Lausa vs. Bibulatov (dunno)

I'm very curious to hear more about your Weidman/Mousasi prediction. Not disagreeing, just interested (don't really feel like I have any idea).

Traditionally it wouldn't seem like a great matchup for him, but I guess you feel trajectories of their respective careers are a bit different at the moment? I thought Weidman looked good up until the KO vs Romero tho...

Confidence man, feels like Weidman can't win nowadays. Just like with what happened to Pettis, and Mousasi seems to be the exact opposite

Feels like Weidman is pushed to the edge and last time he was there he smashed the MMA GOAT

Rumble shook Cormeir's brain loose in that last match. Rumble is going to drop him during first 3 rounds and then he's going to blow Bones' coke nose up in July.

On March 20 2017 17:37 Spitfiree wrote: Feels like Weidman is pushed to the edge and last time he was there he smashed the MMA GOAT

How was Weidman pushed to the edge when he fought Anderson Silva?

Weidman was in his prime during that time. It was before his knee surgeries, and before he took a lot of time off to heal up, and he had never been severely hurt in any of his fights, and he had never lost at that point in time.

Don't forget Anderson was still fighting the same way when he fought Weidman, and Weidman expected it. Anderson got clipped while showboating and ran out of space for his feet to keep moving. Their second fight was a fluke, when Anderson broke his leg after getting his kick blocked.

You can say Weidman was doing good in both of his last fights until the very end, but he still got BRUTALLY finished in both of them. Weidman will be fighting in New York again, so he'll probably feel like he needs to be cautious to win this fight so he doesn't let his fans down, as well as his entire career. If he loses this fight, he won't ever fight for the title again at 185 pounds, and he'll be on a 3-fight losing streak and will probably take a year off and move up to 205 pounds.

He was broke as fuck and had his house flooded right before the fight with Silva. It was determining whether he would continue being broke as fuck or not. Pretty sure that put him under a lot of psychological pressure


If Rumble wins, I'd rather see Rumble vs DC3 rather than JBJ vs Whoever, even though that won't happen, cause JBJ sells that PPV better than both of them

On March 21 2017 10:09 Spitfiree wrote: He was broke as fuck and had his house flooded right before the fight with Silva. It was determining whether he would continue being broke as fuck or not. Pretty sure that put him under a lot of psychological pressure

ok sure, but he was handed a gift by the goat himself. he was very lucky.

Would much rather see Rumble KO Jones than DC3 or pretty much any other fight for that matter.

Why wouldn't u want to see that fight?

changed my mind.

Weidman being shook seems silly to me. He was very competitive with Rockhold and Romero up until he made a mistake which cost him the fights. This is the same guy who had 0 fear against Anderson Silva, which seems to me makes him extremely strong mentally. Not sure what people are basing him being shook on other than their own random assumptions. Unless I've missed something, he seems very confident going into this fight. He could have easily fought a guy outside the top 10 but demanded he get a top fighter like Mousasi. Doesn't seem like the actions of a broken man with no confidence.

Mousasi has always had suspect TDD, and Weidman is still one of the best wrestlers in the sport. I think he wrestle fucks Mousasi a good amount of the time.

Also he's looking to be in insane shape for this fight.

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Looks much better physically than his last two fights.

Disclaimer: I'm a weidman fan boy and not a huge believer in Mousasi. He's lost everytime he's faced an elite fighter, and I think it's a great style match up for Weidman. Mousasi tends to do poorly against pressure and wrestling, and Weidman is great at both.

Cormier vs AJ 2 is a close.

Obviously Cormier deserves to be the favorite, but since that fight Cormier has had an absolute brutal war with Gus and several major injuries and layoffs. Meanwhile AJ has looked the best he ever has in his career.

I like both guys, but hoping for an AJ win because I really, really wanna see AJ KO Jones. Like that fight way more than Jones vs Cormier 2.

I am betting big on Cormier and Weidman here

On March 27 2017 20:26 Stim_Abuser wrote: Also he's looking to be in insane shape for this fight. target="_blank" rel="nofollow"> Looks much better physically than his last two fights. Disclaimer: I'm a weidman fan boy and not a huge believer in Mousasi. He's lost everytime he's faced an elite fighter, and I think it's a great style match up for Weidman. Mousasi tends to do poorly against pressure and wrestling, and Weidman is great at both.

Reminds me of Ronda Rousey in her lead-up to facing Amanda Nunes.

Appearance wise, Ronda was in the best shape of her life.

yeah but those spots are nothing alike, Ronda clashed against the new growing athletes, and Weidman represents the new school much more than Mousasi but this kind of ambiguous comparisons are a silly exercise.


I agree with Stim, but unlike him I dont like Weidman and I like Mousasi in general, but a strong wrestler who can hook is a bad matchup, remember how he got destroyed by Jacare, althought Weidman lacks the violence of Jacares hooks and perhaps Mousasi can be less timid.

Mousasi is a very smart and adaptive fighter, I'm curious to see if he will adopt a different strategy, last time his low volume and high caution of takedowns didnt work at all, and this didnt work for Silva vs Wieman either, he is comfortable pressuring but he didnt look great when Vitor went apeshit for a few seconds, so thats probably the best strat vs weidman, high volume high power but not going too crazy like vitor did obv.

There is good value to be had on DC imo and odds should be a lot wider than current. I mean we already watched this fight a few years ago and other than the early scare for DC it was complete domination for him. AJ might of looked great in his last few outings but we have not learned anything new about him in this fights. He starched all of his opponents with ease while looking absolutely frightening. However that was the case for him before the first DC fight and also even during his stint in WW div. When he is put in tough situations the guy chokes and you can't say he is coming from a very good camp that can improve his grappling so much to close the gap to DC in just a few years. We already saw MJ grappling against Khabib and also Rashad recent performances.

This fight looks very clear for me. If AJ is not able to knock DC out in the first round and a half he is drawing dead. Of course there is very good chance for this to happen with his monstrous power and DC being older, but in general I feel like Cormier should be a clear favorite for this fight and is going to be taking it most of the time.

Weidman - Mousasi is a coin toss for me. Usually the stylistic match up is tough for Mousasi and The Chris should be able to smother him with his wrestling and pressure, however he is coming off 2 brutal defeats while Gegard is on a all time high. His grappling looks really improved since the Jacare fight and all things considered it is tough to have a good idea how this fight is gonna go.

I'm leaning towards Weidman now, ...and I generally like Mousasi more than him, ...but hes at home, a slight underdog, and I cant see exactly what edge Mousasi would have over him particularly.
Unless he is broken or scarred from his last 2 fights, I would favor Weidman here.

I was favoring AJ over Cormier, probably still am...but I could be wrong.

On March 28 2017 19:29 Minsk wrote: I'm leaning towards Weidman now, ...and I generally like Mousasi more than him, ...but hes at home, a slight underdog, and I cant see exactly what edge Mousasi would have over him particularly. Unless he is broken or scarred from his last 2 fights, I would favor Weidman here.

same. and cormier.

Mousasi because he's weird and he's starting to win lately and Weidman is going the opposite direction, just basing on momentum which is huge in MMA. AJ just because Cormier is older and body is falling apart (gassing in the last couple of fights)

i dont see it that way. weidman is reallt desperate for this win and that could give him the edge. and at this point, mousasi could be slightly overrated? dunno... but theres def value on weidman than there is on mousasi imho.

cormier is just too relentless for rumble. between him and rumble at the current lines. im for cormier. give way better odds for rumble then im there.

I dont like mousasi but I dont like weidman

*weidman has a family, lots of kids many distractions
*he's been champ already, legacy as silva killer cemented
*he seems to be unable to "win", more to do with luck
*wear and tear from rockhold, yoel, some overtraining talk
*post-usada weidman aint too hot ive noticed
*hes fighting desperate and it only works out in the movies


Last fight of cormier was terrible vs Silva. Maybe he was too risk averse but Rumble's only fault was cardio and DC is ooolder now

Mousasi fights smart but Weidman is really solid and complete he can go from striking to takedowns in this fight. Also Weidmans last two fights were not dominant, he got submitted by rockhold in a competitive fight and got brutally Ko by Romero but before that it was also competitive, I am really confident on that bet.

The fight between Cormier and Jhonson, IMO, is going to be very similar to the first fight. Only chances for Jhonson is KO within the first two rounds and then Cormier will dominate.

I bet 50 bucks on each one.

its the perfect time to bet on cormier. he just became the slight underdog.

On April 04 2017 04:26 lucky331 wrote: its the perfect time to bet on cormier. he just became the slight underdog.

I should have waited : (

Weidman looking insane shape as I posted earlier. Muscular and lean as fuck, but he's also looking a little sucked it. Hopefully he isn't having trouble with his weight cut.

DC looking kinda old and flabbier than usual.

eye test usually doesn't mean shit, just making observations.

My recommended bet: Cote/Alves doesn't go the distance +135.

It's basically fight ends ITD +135.

DC went from "i'm getting bullied" vs JBJ to being a gigantic asshole, pretty entertaining though :D

any news from DC's camp? he didnt look good during the media day faceoff.

DC definitely looking a bit rough. I think things are lining up for the Rumble win. Though I wouldn't bet on it, still think DC should be the favorite.

On April 06 2017 21:29 Stim_Abuser wrote: DC definitely looking a bit rough. I think things are lining up for the Rumble win. Though I wouldn't bet on it, still think DC should be the favorite.

DC looks fine to me.

DC has a beard this time, which makes him look older and homely. Also, he is more talkative this time, and is focused on getting inside Rumble's head, which may or may not be working (the UFC is doing a good job st making it seem like DC is in his head, but they're good at editing).

Weight wise, both guys look fine and said today they're both 10 pounds away from making the 205 pound limit.

Also, expect Rumble to look amazing on the scale when compared to DC. The latter guy is shorter and never has any muscle definition, and looks semi round in his belly. DC's core is where his strength is at, not his chest or arms.

Not much has changed since the last fight between DC and Rumble, I think there is a lot of value on DC

nows a good time to bet on weidman.

On April 06 2017 21:58 PuertoRican wrote: [QUOTE]On April 06 2017 21:29 Stim_Abuser wrote: DC has a beard this time, which makes him look older and homely. Also, he is more talkative this time, and is focused on getting inside Rumble's head, which may or may not be working (the UFC is doing a good job st making it seem like DC is in his head, but they're good at editing).

Ehh It almost feels to me like DC called Rumble pre Media stuff even began for UFC210 and told him something like " Listen im gonna trash talk you hard so we can sell more PPVs" or something like that... whole "getting into his head" part seems so fake. Then again Rumble is the only one that can beat DC in this division at the moment, so he might feel too secure and fame might've gotten into his head.

At the moment, Pearl Gonzalez has been pulled from her fight by the New York commission for having breast implants (no joke). The UFC hasn't officially cancelled the fight and are trying to save it.

New York has a rule that applies to boxers, and not to MMA fighters. Miesha Tate has implants and fought at UFC 205, the first UFC card in the state of New York.




Also, Cormier weighed in at 206.2 pounds, then returned to the scale 3 minutes later snd weighed in at 205 pounds. Rumble weighed in at 203.8 pounds. Both were over or under by the same amount of weight.

New York commission stated that it's a rule to allow championship fights to get a second chance to weigh-in if they miss weight. They said the rule isn't in the official rule book, but it's available at their website. wtf?

Told you DC was looking rough with his weight cut.

I definitely think some fuckery is afoot. No way he lost 1.2 pounds in like 1 minute lol.

On April 07 2017 08:12 Baalim wrote: Not much has changed since the last fight between DC and Rumble, I think there is a lot of value on DC

He had a brutal war with Gus, turned 38, and looked very meh against Anderson. Rumble has looked way better than ever, Plus it looks like he had a really rough cut.

On April 07 2017 19:50 Stim_Abuser wrote: Told you DC was looking rough with his weight cut. I definitely think some fuckery is afoot. No way he lost 1.2 pounds in like 1 minute lol.

Or, the scale was just off.

Both DC and Rumble missed the 205 pound mark by 1.2 pounds. Rumble wouldn't randomly overcut by 1.2 pounds.

If the scale was off, it'd make sense why both fighters weighed in at weird weights, and why DC was able to be exactly 205 pounds 2-3 minutes later, assuming the scale was properly adjusted.

Daniel Cormier (205) vs. Anthony Johnson (203.8)
Chris Weidman (185.8) vs. Gegard Mousasi (185.8)
Cynthia Calvillo (115.6) vs. Pearl Gonzalez (116)
Thiago Alves (170.6) vs. Patrick Cote (170)
Will Brooks (155.4) vs. Charles Oliveira (152.8)
Myles Jury (145) vs. Mike De La Torre (146)
Kamaru Usman (170.2) vs. Sean Strickland (170)
Charles Rosa (145.2) vs. Shane Burgos (146)
Patrick Cummins (205.4) vs. Jan Blachowicz (204.2)
Gregor Gillespie (154.8) vs. Andrew Holbrook (156)
Josh Emmett (155.6) vs. Desmond Green (154.2)
Katlyn Chookagian (134.8) vs. Irene Aldana (135.6)
Jenel Lausa (124.8) vs. Magomed Bibulatov (126)


The Calvillo vs. Gonzalez fight is back on! 13 fights.

On April 07 2017 20:39 PuertoRican wrote: Show nested quote + On April 07 2017 19:50 Stim_Abuser wrote: Told you DC was looking rough with his weight cut. I definitely think some fuckery is afoot. No way he lost 1.2 pounds in like 1 minute lol. Or, the scale was just off. Both DC and Rumble missed the 205 pound mark by 1.2 pounds. Rumble wouldn't randomly overcut by 1.2 pounds. If the scale was off, it'd make sense why both fighters weighed in at weird weights, and why DC was able to be exactly 205 pounds 2-3 minutes later, assuming the scale was properly adjusted.

The scale was fine for all the other fighters. Unless the scale was purposely adjusted to allow DC to make weight.

On April 07 2017 20:59 Stim_Abuser wrote: Show nested quote + On April 07 2017 20:39 PuertoRican wrote:   On April 07 2017 19:50 Stim_Abuser wrote: Told you DC was looking rough with his weight cut. I definitely think some fuckery is afoot. No way he lost 1.2 pounds in like 1 minute lol. Or, the scale was just off. Both DC and Rumble missed the 205 pound mark by 1.2 pounds. Rumble wouldn't randomly overcut by 1.2 pounds. If the scale was off, it'd make sense why both fighters weighed in at weird weights, and why DC was able to be exactly 205 pounds 2-3 minutes later, assuming the scale was properly adjusted. The scale was fine for all the other fighters. Unless the scale was purposely adjusted to allow DC to make weight.

New York is known for being fishy, just like Texas, so I wouldn't be surprised if they did some shit. However, even if DC missed weight, the fight would still go on and Rumble would still be able to win the title, DC would just be stripped and just be fighting for the win while losing his title.

The fact that the commissioner said the weigh-in rules weren't in the rule book, and only posted on his company's website, it sounds fishy af.

p.s. Pearl Gonzalez is allowed to fight, so we still have 13 fights tomorrow.

On April 07 2017 20:59 Stim_Abuser wrote: Show nested quote + On April 07 2017 20:39 PuertoRican wrote:   On April 07 2017 19:50 Stim_Abuser wrote: Told you DC was looking rough with his weight cut. I definitely think some fuckery is afoot. No way he lost 1.2 pounds in like 1 minute lol. Or, the scale was just off. Both DC and Rumble missed the 205 pound mark by 1.2 pounds. Rumble wouldn't randomly overcut by 1.2 pounds. If the scale was off, it'd make sense why both fighters weighed in at weird weights, and why DC was able to be exactly 205 pounds 2-3 minutes later, assuming the scale was properly adjusted. The scale was fine for all the other fighters. Unless the scale was purposely adjusted to allow DC to make weight.

Oh brother!! Did you just completely miss the fact that he rested his hands on the towel and probably took 0.5-1.0 pounds that way... so dumb they did not tell him to take his hands off the towel.

edit: nvm guy above me already explained that

My guess is UFC allowed it on purpose. Sucks that they threat Rumble this way. I get that its the main event and all, but cmon what the fuck UFC. Disrespectful towards Rumble, disrespectful towards the fans.

I admit I didn't know about it this trick even though i weigh myself 5 days a week in the gym, just never thought about it. However I had to read about 3 comments under a facebook video to be completely aware of it. Why do they treat their fans as if we re idiots.

Im torn on this weight controversy. There will always be a side of me that believes in protecting the integrity of a game. Allowing a fighter to retain the title after missing the designated fighting weight is clearly against the rules. Definitely isnt fair to Rumble, but is it good for the sport? I/ve been looking forward to this fight since Christmas, its great for the fans. The UFC was in a tough situation, remembering last months PPV lost the main event and then had a snooze fest rematch, this failed cut would further discredit the organization. I understand the new ownerships decision to look the other way and I cant wait to see this fight.

There is no doubt that some fuckery happened, but ultimately I think they made the right decision.

The thing is he had 2 hours to cut that 1.2 pounds. I feel he should have at least tried before insta cheating. Then again him coming back so quickly played into the confusion I think.

All that said I think everyones happy the title fight is still on including Rumble. Unless like someone else said he would still have had the chance to win the title regardless.

Man Weidmans eye is fucked. I know a lot of fighters are on the sauce, but this kinda shows the long term affects of what can happen. I like Romero, but he's obviously juiced to the tits. Kinda shitty having a fucked up face probably for life because the guy you fought was juiced to the gills.

On April 08 2017 17:26 Stim_Abuser wrote: The thing is he had 2 hours to cut that 1.2 pounds. I feel he should have at least tried before insta cheating. Then again him coming back so quickly played into the confusion I think. All that said I think everyones happy the title fight is still on including Rumble. Unless like someone else said he would still have had the chance to win the title regardless.

Ariel Helwani mentioned that when he spoke to DC and Rumble, they weren't aware of the 2 extra hours for championship fights. DC probably cheated while thinking he had to act fast. If he knew he had 2 hours extra, he probably wouldn't have returned to the scale 3 minutes later.

And yes, the fight would still be on if DC missed weight, he would just be stripped of the title and only be able to get a win, and not win the belt. Rumble would be able to win the fight and the belt. IIRC, only Matt Lindland missed weight for a UFC title fight and ended up fighting the next day, and got beat by Anderson Silva.

I'll still be picking DC to win, even though he had trouble making the weight.

My final picks:

• Cormier > Johnson (Nothing has changed here; even though Cormier cheated to make weight, he'll still be good enough to beat someone who still only has a punchers chance to win, and is the same person he already beat before; anyone who thinks that Johnson will be able to successfully use the same strategy he used against Phil Davis is dead wrong, as Davis and Cormier are nothing alike in how they fight)
• Weidman > Mousasi (Originally liked Mousasi via decision, but the more I thought about it, the more I see Weidman getting the clinch and Mousasi not being able to do anything; Mousasi said he knows Weidman will try to close the distance and get a TD, and while Mousasi has good TDD [in the center of the cage], I don't think he can do anything if Weidman clinches him and pushes him against the cage and dirty boxes + goes for TDs against the cage; Weidman by decision)
• Calvillo vs. Gonzalez (dunno who to pick since all of the tape on Gonzalez is 2-3 years old, so anyone who picks Calvillo confidently is just doing so because of her UFC debut last month, and not cuz they know anything about Gonzalez's recent improvements; both have similar skill sets, but Calvillo might be the slightly better wrestler while Gonzalez has slightly better striking)
• Alves > Cote (Originally liked Cote a lot here, but switched after thinking more about the match-up; Alves needs to use a lot more leg kicks in this fight while keeping the same boxing strategy; I kinda see Alves winning ITD, but a decision wouldn't surprise me since Cote has only been knocked out 1 time, which was in his last fight)
• Brooks > Oliveira (Brooks via decision, but I'm not counting Oliveira out to get a win via submission)
• Jury > Torre (I expect Jury to get a TKO win at some point, but not sure when since he might feel out R1 and he hasn't fought in 15 months or so)
• Usman > Strickland (After research, Usman by decision; Strickland has good TDD and has been working a lot on it for this camp, but he is flat footed and fights on the outside and is a mid-range output striker, so he will be focused on defending the TD once Usman shoots once)
• Burgos > Rosa (Burgos has the strength, hand + foot speed, power advantage, and good TDD; Rosa isn't athletic and is slow, and fades a little bit as the fight goes on, especially if he can't get the TD; Burgos might get the TKO here)
• Blachowicz > Cummins (Blacho is longer and has better striking; Blacho is known for poor TDD, but he has been training with a Polish wrestling Olympian; Cummins has a notoriously bad chin, but excels against low-mid tier fighters; 1 guy's strategy will dominate and win decisively)
• Green > Emmett (Emmett is the better boxer and has better cardio; Green is taller and not skinny, slightly better wrestler, and he is the hometown fighter; I think a split-decision win for Green)
• Gillespie > Holbrook
• Aldana > Chookagian
• Bibulatov > Lausa

The announcer just said New York is using the new rules now.

They didn't use them for UFC 205.

Sick KO from Gillespie!

Sick patience and KO from Shane Burgos!

Yoel Romero is the God of cycling teh juice lmao

On April 09 2017 01:55 whamm! wrote: Yoel Romero is the God of cycling teh juice lmao

Forget about Romero.

UFC 210 main card is about to start!

Anyone have a working link?

On April 09 2017 02:09 Zadan wrote: Anyone have a working link?

http://firstrowus1.eu/watch/529340/1/...el-cormier--vs-anthony-johnson-2.html

Plenty to choose from above the video.

The Will Brooks hype train is OVER!

when brooks is standing up like that getting cranked out, why not just jump as high as u can and come down on top of oliveira smashing him between his back and the canvas? too dangerous?

On April 09 2017 02:26 traxamillion wrote: when brooks is standing up like that getting cranked out, why not just jump as high as u can and come down on top of oliveira smashing him between his back and the canvas? too dangerous?

Well, I know that if someone has your back and neck like that (I think it was on his chin/jaw area, but still deadly), you don't want to end up on the ground, especially against someone like Charles Oliveira.

I'm not qualified enough to say what Brooks' outs were in that position, but I automatically thought he was gonna lose once Oliveira locked his legs in.

Regarding jumping high, Brooks probably wouldn't be able to jump that high with a 155-160 pound person on his back. People fall to their back a lot in the position Brooks/Oliveira were in, but the guy on their back hangs on no problem.

On April 09 2017 02:17 PuertoRican wrote: Show nested quote + On April 09 2017 02:09 Zadan wrote: Anyone have a working link? http://firstrowus1.eu/watch/529340/1/...el-cormier--vs-anthony-johnson-2.html Plenty to choose from above the video.

ya i used that at first it doesn't pull up video though weird

On April 09 2017 02:37 Zadan wrote: Show nested quote + On April 09 2017 02:17 PuertoRican wrote:   On April 09 2017 02:09 Zadan wrote: Anyone have a working link? http://firstrowus1.eu/watch/529340/1/...el-cormier--vs-anthony-johnson-2.html Plenty to choose from above the video. ya i used that at first it doesn't pull up video though weird

+1

On April 09 2017 02:37 Zadan wrote: Show nested quote + On April 09 2017 02:17 PuertoRican wrote:   On April 09 2017 02:09 Zadan wrote: Anyone have a working link? http://firstrowus1.eu/watch/529340/1/...el-cormier--vs-anthony-johnson-2.html Plenty to choose from above the video. ya i used that at first it doesn't pull up video though weird

Do you have a blocker installed on your browser?

I use something called No Script, so I have to allow every new website and embedded link that tries to load when I visit a website I haven't been to before. Also, maybe Ad-Block could be blocking the video on your browser.

Good performance from Thiago Alves. He stayed calm, didn't do anything risky, used his leg kicks like he was supposed to, and eventually got a KD in Rounds 1 and 2.

I thought this fight would end ITD, so that kinda sucks. Alves was too patient when he had Cote hurt 3 times or so.

On April 09 2017 02:39 PuertoRican wrote: Show nested quote + On April 09 2017 02:37 Zadan wrote:   On April 09 2017 02:17 PuertoRican wrote:   On April 09 2017 02:09 Zadan wrote: Anyone have a working link? http://firstrowus1.eu/watch/529340/1/...el-cormier--vs-anthony-johnson-2.html Plenty to choose from above the video. ya i used that at first it doesn't pull up video though weird Do you have a blocker installed on your browser? I use something called No Script, so I have to allow every new website and embedded link that tries to load when I visit a website I haven't been to before. Also, maybe Ad-Block could be blocking the video on your browser.

or you guys could use kodi. look it up.

we should have a separate thread for just Kodi ahha

still feel weird about weidman's luck lately

lol getting that loooong breather
thats a cheap loophole in the both hands on the ground rule btw

gegard getting fucked right now. Legal knees ... they are even saying it so how are they giving him more time? ...

legal knees he should get no time.

and i like weidman but it seems like terrible refing

whats happening....

cant just give gegard the win though because chris didnt quit the ref stiopped it. once they realized legal knee fight shoulda just been instantly back on

weird...

WOW...

What a fucking terrible way to end the Weidman/Mousasi fight. And there's no way for Weidman to get it overturned at a later date cuz of the way the rules are.

knees > chris i guess

what i dont get though is chris never quit. he wasnt TKOd. the ref stopped it because he thought the knee was illegal. id be pissed if i paid for this card

heres's my take on it, weidman trying very hard to reach for floor to avoid the knees and get the break, ref stops it and does an acting job and everybody buys it and oversold it, everybody is so scared coz of the yoel romero knee that they rule it in favor of mousasi. it completely backfired on him imo

gegard isn't even happy about it. he wants to win for real

had weidman just stopped with the bullshit and said he was fine the fight wouldve been going on
my shit luck theory was correct this time lmao

feel bad for weidman for real. gegard too actually.

Aight go rumble

On April 09 2017 04:03 traxamillion wrote: gegard isn't even happy about it. he wants to win for real

Gegard knows he won't get a title shot anytime soon now.

He said before the fight that he wants to finish Weidman and get a title shot, but that he won't get a title shot if he wins a boring fight or loses.

AJ gon wreck DC in under 2 rnds

it was a good fight though honestly and whamm is right chris coulda probably been like im fine lets go. but if the ref says it was an illegal knee and you DONT KNOW IT WASNT, wouldnt you take a little time to recover. not unreasonable. really weird situation

Weidman said he couldnt continue to perhaps get a DQ on mousasi didnt he?

If so, he deserves the loss, he was going downhill those flashing jabs from Mousasi on the 2nd were amazing, such a shame the fight was developing pretty good

All shits aside mousasi looked great. The knee should be ilegal imo because if your intention is to lift while kneeing there is a risk of u missing the lift but getting the knee right?

On April 09 2017 04:09 Baalim wrote: Weidman said he couldnt continue to perhaps get a DQ on mousasi didnt he? If so, he deserves the loss, he was going downhill those flashing jabs from Mousasi on the 2nd were amazing, such a shame the fight was developing pretty good

he was hollywoodin' it a bit too hard, holdin' his forehead constantly actin all disoriented and shit, knee wasn't even that hard and didn't land clean. oversold it to the judges and it backfired on him which is why he was really pissed lol

On April 09 2017 04:05 whamm! wrote: had weidman just stopped with the bullshit and said he was fine the fight wouldve been going on my shit luck theory was correct this time lmao

On April 09 2017 04:09 traxamillion wrote: it was a good fight though honestly and whamm is right chris coulda probably been like im fine lets go. but if the ref says it was an illegal knee and you DONT KNOW IT WASNT, wouldnt you take a little time to recover. not unreasonable. really weird situation

You guys weren't watching when Weidman kept telling the them he was fine? He said he was fine a few times, and then responded to them saying he was fine an additional time when they asked him how he was feeling.

On April 09 2017 04:09 Baalim wrote: Weidman said he couldnt continue to perhaps get a DQ on mousasi didnt he? If so, he deserves the loss, he was going downhill those flashing jabs from Mousasi on the 2nd were amazing, such a shame the fight was developing pretty good

Agreed! Shame fight was really nice

On April 09 2017 04:10 CamilaPunt wrote: All shits aside mousasi looked great. The knee should be ilegal imo because if your intention is to lift while kneeing there is a risk of u missing the lift but getting the knee right?

Mousasi looked good in Round 2, which is when Weidman slowed down. Weidman spent a lot of energy in R1 going for take downs.

As for the knees, they changed the rules a bit in 2017. Both hands need to be touching the ground, or 1 knee needs to be touching the ground for it to be illegal. People used to put 1 fingertip on the ground to act like a grounded opponent, but that doesn't fly anymore.

The knee was legal, but the way the fight ended was bullshit.

PR he was actin real wrecked the moment they stopped it and when he was told it was a legal knee he tried to act he was ok lol
had he stood up after the legal knee ref would've made sense of it all instead he raised the stakes to a point where it was a DQ or a point deducted in his favor

what line would you set the moment they stopped the fight?

I think an even line of something like Mousasi -150 even if he lost the 1st round, Weidman was fading fast and those flicking jabs were landing flush

why on earth did rumble initiate the clinch

super curious as to rumbles strat. maybe he just rly doesnt want to risk a quick takedown - mount? ???

AJ has the lungs of a 70 year old lol

rumble is such a monster

i feel like rumble might have worked on his cardio if hes going in doing all this clinching

And there we go, boys!

Rumble gets exposed once again!

He is too far in the MMA game to change his ways, he can only improve his current skills slightly.

sigh. dumbest fight ever from rumble..

Wtf gameplan by rumble

he just has to wait for DC to retire i guess. just cant fathom why AJ didnt try to keep his distance. he lands that 2nd high kick he wins. inches

It's still going to be DC vs Jones, can't complain

LOL "where my coaches"

they dipped on you bro

he bouta quit?

......

probably bet on DC too, fucker didn't tell everyone. wouldve insta picked DC
his coaches did right by walking out on him
who the hell fights to win a belt one fight before retirement lol

Damn, 2 retirements in 1 night: Patrick Cote and Anthony Johnson.

explains why he threw the fight i guess... he musta really wanted to move on

he asked people not to come to the fight?

wish i knew he was quitting after this fight. would have put the house on him

On April 09 2017 04:38 Bigbobm wrote: wish i knew he was quitting after this fight. would have put the house on him

lol that would be incorrect sir

i swear AJ didnt throw one punch with bad intentions. just a couple kicks

I think DC is absolutely right, Rumble is at heart a wrestler with a lot of power, he isnt a "ko artists"in the sense that he doesnt really set up shit or counter, he just throws bombs, but often he "panics" and shoots.

On April 09 2017 04:36 PuertoRican wrote: Damn, 2 retirements in 1 night: Patrick Cote and Anthony Johnson.

They'll both be in Bellator in under 3 years.

this card sure went to shit.

lol ufc

Invested $71, won $236, profited $165.

I would've made at least $750 from one tournament if Mousasi didn't get that luck-box TKO win in Round 2.

Whatever...

On April 09 2017 04:40 whamm! wrote: Show nested quote + On April 09 2017 04:38 Bigbobm wrote: wish i knew he was quitting after this fight. would have put the house on him lol that would be incorrect sir

i hate my house. its filled with hope and dreams.

lmao

Wait what the fuck how was that knee legal @ Weidman's fight? How the fuck does the doctor decide he cant fight when he can? This is one of the nastiest robberies ever.

Even if they are legal, why the fuck do they stop the fight ????? That's fucked up


LHW will be lame w/o AJ now and JBJ will be a champ for a long time unless he gets suspended again

I think the consensus now is that the knee was legal. Replays showed as much. Weidman was well on his way to lose this fight,Mouse was jabbing his face off and The Chris had less and less success with his wrestling, not to mention he gassed out.

Also Weidman looked done to me, he was wobbly after the knees landed and was slurring his speech 10 minutes after the event, don't see how he was going to survive if Dan Miragliota did not interfere. Or he was just milking the situation pretending to be hurt, while stalling and trying to recover a little and get Mousasi DQ-ed.
Either way he deserved to lose, imo.

scumbag weidman is back lol
even moose knows he was reaching the ground to get him disqualified or to prevent the knee

On April 09 2017 08:43 Spitfiree wrote: Wait what the fuck how was that knee legal @ Weidman's fight? How the fuck does the doctor decide he cant fight when he can? This is one of the nastiest robberies ever. Even if they are legal, why the fuck do they stop the fight ????? That's fucked up

Well weidman pretended to be dying from head trauma and since roidmaster yoel broke his skull last time I think doctors and ref are in the right to be very concerned when they saw him sitting down not even knowing what day it is(pretending or not)

Voice: Take your time. Nice. Take your time. Don’t take him down.

Hooft: Don’t wrestle him.

Voice: If you’re going to go, go single.

Hooft: You don’t have to wrestle him, AJ. Just relax.

Voice: Don’t wrestle him.

Hooft: Get out of there. Get out of there.

Grappling coach Neil Melanson: OK, stud. Now, let’s get your hands hot.

Voice: Why is he wrestling him?

Hooft: This is stupid.

Voice: Why is he wrestling him?

Hooft: Fu** it, man. Just get off the cage.

Voice: Get out of there.

Voice: Why isn’t he listening?

Voice: He’s tired already, DC. He doesn’t need to do this.

Voice: Why isn’t he listening?

Hooft: I don’t know why he’s doing that. We have no (expletive) eyes.

Break between Round 1 and Round 2

Hooft: Can you tell me why you’re wrestling? Now, you’re not going to wrestle. You take your distance. Stay away, two steps away. Why are you so worried about everything? The kicks and the knees are really good, but no kicks. Where’s your hands?

Voice: You’re doing great. Don’t fu***** wrestle him.

Hooft: If you stand your distance, it’s an easy game. Why make it difficult?

Round 2

Hooft: Movement. Athletic. Movement. That’s it. Take your distance.

(Johnson shoots for another takedown)

Hooft: You need distance.

Hooft: I’m not saying nothing.

(Cormier takes Johnson’s back)

Hooft: It’s going the same as last time.

(Johnson taps)

Hooft: Why, why the fu** does this happen every fu***** time, man? Crazy.

weird that rumble tried to wrestle, guess he didnt have any desire to win and found a way to lose and not get hit
seems like he had an easy win if he continued to strike, DC was getting fucked up, I disagree with DC saying in postfight interview that Rumble tried to wreslte because he's a wrestler and its his instinct, I dont remember seen him panic wreslting liek this before

I am actually enjoying Cormier winning... he seems like a decent guy. 38 and doing work, No excuses.

On April 09 2017 18:01 drone666 wrote: weird that rumble tried to wrestle, guess he didnt have any desire to win and found a way to lose and not get hit seems like he had an easy win if he continued to strike, DC was getting fucked up, I disagree with DC saying in postfight interview that Rumble tried to wreslte because he's a wrestler and its his instinct, I dont remember seen him panic wreslting liek this before

Since we now know that Rumble was going to retire even if he won the fight, it makes it seem as if Rumble just went into the fight for a big payday before transitioning into his new job, which I read is a job as a strength & conditioning coach for the LA Rams (NFL team).

If you think about it, Rumble did land some nice strikes in Round 1, but that was probably 1 minute or less of the round, while the other 4 minutes were spent in the clinch against the cage just hugging. Rumble lost at 3:37 of Round 2 after being taken down and eating a bunch of small-medium punches to the head before he quickly tapped out to a submission that wasn't fully in there.

Conspiracy theory: Rumble didn't want to win the fight, he just wanted the big payday and wanted to take as little damage as possible before quickly tapping to a submission. If he gets a job in the NFL as a S&C coach, that means job security + good salary + benefits + won't get punched in the head anymore. Cash grab, imo.

Also, I was surprised to see so many people pick Rumble in the rematch prior to the weigh-in (not on this website, but according to the bookies and bettors at Sherdog). Rumble didn't show us anything new in his 3 KO wins in a row, and he only fought for 7.5 minutes in total for those 3 fights. Even after Cormier cheated to make weight, I didn't lose confidence in him cuz the worst thing that would happen is Cormier having worse cardio, but even his worse cardio would still be better than Rumble's. Also, Cormier was still the superior MMA fighter before and after the weigh-in, so people who jumped the gun after the weigh-in were crazy, imo. Anthony Johnson closed at -140 to -148, Cormier was +120 to +122.

On April 09 2017 10:56 whamm! wrote: scumbag weidman is back lol even moose knows he was reaching the ground to get him disqualified or to prevent the knee Show nested quote + On April 09 2017 08:43 Spitfiree wrote: Wait what the fuck how was that knee legal @ Weidman's fight? How the fuck does the doctor decide he cant fight when he can? This is one of the nastiest robberies ever. Even if they are legal, why the fuck do they stop the fight ????? That's fucked up Well weidman pretended to be dying from head trauma and since roidmaster yoel broke his skull last time I think doctors and ref are in the right to be very concerned when they saw him sitting down not even knowing what day it is(pretending or not)

No, I mean I get that the knees were completely legal now. I don't believe Weidman did it on purpose so he can DQ him in sense of a edge gaining, but all of that can be ignored. It's the referee that stopped the fight and thought the knees are illegal, after that they see a replay, check that they are legal and the fight is just off without Weidman actually dropping in a KO or having any sort of huge injury like a bigass hematoma or something like that. So its neither Weidman's fault, nor Mousasi's ( well obviously not him). And yeah Weidman seemed tired before the whole knee combos and would've most likely lost the fight at that point, but still did not deserve such development...

Inb4 they feed Mousasi to Romero, or actually force Romero off roids and have Mousasi beat his ass.

However you can see how Bellator and McGregor are starting to put huge pressure on teh UFC regarding the payouts to fighters, as they are indeed laughable compared to what they probably make. Bellator kinda stealing irrelevant UFC fighters and giving them tons of cash and McGregor forcing that "gimme a portion or you can fuck off" atittude, obviously McGregor has the room to do that, as he can leave the UFC and still make shitton of money whatever he decides to do next ( plus 99% sure Mayweather fight )

it's one thing if im just saying it, but as you can see in the video even mousasi himself is saying it too that weidman was trying to do exactly that

Mousasi such a hero

Good breakdown of the Cormier/Rumble and Weidman/Mousasi fights.

Rumbles new business plan was to throw a PPV Main event fight and ride off into the sunset.

Well played

Scumbag weidman video haha
https://www.facebook.com/FightHaven/videos/1856434631278999/

weidman tells them he cant continue before he finds out it was ruled as a legal knee after watching the replay, then talks about how he can fight after a 3 minute break

Anthony Johnson filing complaint for Daniel Cormier’s weigh-in controversy

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2017/4/11/...cormier-weigh-in-controversy-mma-news

Cormier probably forced a shit easily lose 5 pounds imo

On April 11 2017 00:21 whamm! wrote: Scumbag weidman video haha https://www.facebook.com/FightHaven/videos/1856434631278999/ weidman tells them he cant continue before he finds out it was ruled as a legal knee after watching the replay, then talks about how he can fight after a 3 minute break

If you get hit with a brutal illegal strike that rocked you, I think it's fair to not want to continue if you think it puts you at a massive disadvantage, even if you could possibly continue.

If it were illegal like the ref said and Weidman and his corner thought, would you be calling Weidman stupid if he decided to continue and got TKO'd soon after?

Fighting after getting rocked by an illegal strike seems kinda stupid to me, even if you are capable of continuing. It puts you at a huge disadvantage.

On April 12 2017 02:49 Stim_Abuser wrote: Show nested quote + On April 11 2017 00:21 whamm! wrote: Scumbag weidman video haha https://www.facebook.com/FightHaven/videos/1856434631278999/ weidman tells them he cant continue before he finds out it was ruled as a legal knee after watching the replay, then talks about how he can fight after a 3 minute break If you get hit with a brutal illegal strike that rocked you, I think it's fair to not want to continue if you think it puts you at a massive disadvantage, even if you could possibly continue. If it were illegal like the ref said and Weidman and his corner thought, would you be calling Weidman stupid if he decided to continue and got TKO'd soon after? Fighting after getting rocked by an illegal strike seems kinda stupid to me, even if you are capable of continuing. It puts you at a huge disadvantage.

Did you watch the video? He was making low-blow gestures to the ref less than a minute before the knee, Weidman was gassing and eating a lot of punches, he was panicking and looking for any way out to catch his breath

he already checked out when he was looking at ref for a bail out/ time to rest. much like how conor just dove to give his neck and be over with all of it.

btw it's hilarious how mousasi is trying his best to get fans by acting like a troll

I've always wondered how it feels to be exhausted beyond belief while getting punched in the face and not having the energy to even defend yourself... kind of how some people must feel when they drown from exhaustion or something

On April 12 2017 02:49 Stim_Abuser wrote: Show nested quote + On April 11 2017 00:21 whamm! wrote: Scumbag weidman video haha https://www.facebook.com/FightHaven/videos/1856434631278999/ weidman tells them he cant continue before he finds out it was ruled as a legal knee after watching the replay, then talks about how he can fight after a 3 minute break If you get hit with a brutal illegal strike that rocked you, I think it's fair to not want to continue if you think it puts you at a massive disadvantage, even if you could possibly continue. If it were illegal like the ref said and Weidman and his corner thought, would you be calling Weidman stupid if he decided to continue and got TKO'd soon after? Fighting after getting rocked by an illegal strike seems kinda stupid to me, even if you are capable of continuing. It puts you at a huge disadvantage.

This reminds me of a recent fight with iuri alcantara vs luke sanders. He was getting his ass whooped 1st round multiple times the fight was close to being stopped then takes an illegal knee ref asks him if he wants to stop and he doesn't even hesitate and says no lets continue goes on to get ass whooped 2nd round before locking a kneebar for a sick comeback. Weidman didn't want to fight and tried to take advantage of the situation imo and got backfired. I agree with Dana that rematch isn't a mandatory given how the fight was going on.

:O

I dont think its really important, the point of the rule and even more so after the recent change of two arms isnt to see if he was scratching the octagon with his nails, it was supposed to stop playing around with the rule and that was exactly what Chris was doing, he wasnt downed, he was just trying to not get kneed.

If any of you need clarification on what is considered a grounded fighter, you can skip to 3:30 of the video and listen to the official rules as provided by John McCarthy.

On April 12 2017 02:55 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On April 12 2017 02:49 Stim_Abuser wrote:   On April 11 2017 00:21 whamm! wrote: Scumbag weidman video haha https://www.facebook.com/FightHaven/videos/1856434631278999/ weidman tells them he cant continue before he finds out it was ruled as a legal knee after watching the replay, then talks about how he can fight after a 3 minute break If you get hit with a brutal illegal strike that rocked you, I think it's fair to not want to continue if you think it puts you at a massive disadvantage, even if you could possibly continue. If it were illegal like the ref said and Weidman and his corner thought, would you be calling Weidman stupid if he decided to continue and got TKO'd soon after? Fighting after getting rocked by an illegal strike seems kinda stupid to me, even if you are capable of continuing. It puts you at a huge disadvantage. Did you watch the video? He was making low-blow gestures to the ref less than a minute before the knee, Weidman was gassing and eating a lot of punches, he was panicking and looking for any way out to catch his breath

I think its crazy to question his heart honestly. The dude had Rockhold mounted on him for like 7 minutes raining down one of the most vicious beatings I've seen in MMA and Weidman never stopped fighting for position despite being gassed there too. He also gassed in the 4th round of the Machida fight and Machida was pouring it on him, landing tons of good shots, and he just weathered the storm and came back and won the 5th round.

I agree he was gassed and getting beat up, but Weidman is tough as shit and has heart for days. Being on a 2 fight losing streak I'm not gonna fault him for deciding to not continue after what he thought was an illegal strike that rocked him, I don't think it was him looking for a way out as much as not wanting to take the massive risk of continuing and getting TKO'd. I guess that could be considered looking for a way out, but I think it was him not wanting to risk being at a massive disadvantage more so than him just wanting to give up or looking for a way to cheat a win.