Politics thread (USA Elections 2016) - Page 94

On January 17 2019 11:51 Loco wrote: It was a literal quote from Piketty, I am not misinterpreting him.

Ok so lets see how your literal quotes work:

I said:

let me guess, he is some kind of leftist economist (lol) who is either an idiot, disingenious

you quoted me as::

Let me guess, he's just a leftist, an idiot or disingenuous"

Do you see the difference?

I didn't say he was either a leftist or an idiot or... I said he probably is a leftist who is an idiot or...

Its important because I say he is probably a leftist because you ignore all basic economy and only know anybody because they agree with your ideology, you accusing me of confirmation bias and being an ideologue is the epitome of irony, you are text book ideologue so much you are almost a cliché, you share every single belief they have and you think you dont because you eat mollusks, what an absolute madman you are.

I may be intellectually lazy but you are intellectually dishonest and that my friend is far worse.

So let me double down on my statement whoever says that "debts dont have to be paid" in the spirit that you wrote it is either an idiot, disingenuous or is being misinterpreted.

On January 17 2019 22:23 Liquid`Drone wrote: You don't have to accept all his claims as gospel, but dismissing him as a 'leftist disingenuous or idiot' is really lazy. He is a leftist for sure, but he is also serious academic who has gathered and analyzed an enormous and impressive amount of data to reach any of his conclusions.

I said that to address specifically Loco's quote of him: "debts dont have to be paid" and I said whoever said that is either an idiot, disingenious or is being misinterpreted, I'm obviously not qualifying the work of somebody I dont even know like that.


Also as I explained above I didn't say leftist/idiot/disingenious, I dont intellectually disqualify people for holding leftist ideas

To be honest, I woudn't have checked what Taleb had to say about Piketty before Drone's comment that he has"gathered and analyzed an enormous amount of data". I am very skeptical of how people :

A) gather data
B) analyze data

It was about time the US would obtain Venezuelian oil as well, it might have the shittiest quality in the world, but still oil ...

I get how big of a scum Maduro is, but the USA intervening again is just...

On January 24 2019 01:24 Spitfiree wrote: It was about time the US would obtain Venezuelian oil as well, it might have the shittiest quality in the world, but still oil ... I get how big of a scum Maduro is, but the USA intervening again is just...

The US isn't invading Venezuela (and I wouldn't support that) but you dont get the situation in Venezuela, they had a 250,000% inflation in the past years, its like Zimbabwe, its a humanitarian crisis.




We are the only country that matters that isn't supporting the new president because our own leftist president is a retarded maniac./


In before loco posts some charts on Maduros great work on Venezuela's illiteracy lol.

Yes, the USA is doing it for the humanitarian reasons, give me a break. You can't possibly believe that. Not even Americans believe that

This time their cause would actually not matter though, the situation there is on an unseen level of fucked up

Even if somehow Maduro is taken care of and a real democratic government is established, the fact that oil prices are quite low and not expected to change makes the whole outlook pretty bad. Let's see if other countries running on their oil money take a lesson though

On January 25 2019 01:14 Spitfiree wrote: Yes, the USA is doing it for the humanitarian reasons, give me a break. You can't possibly believe that. Not even Americans believe that This time their cause would actually not matter though, the situation there is on an unseen level of fucked up Even if somehow Maduro is taken care of and a real democratic government is established, the fact that oil prices are quite low and not expected to change makes the whole outlook pretty bad. Let's see if other countries running on their oil money take a lesson though

I dont think they are doing it because of humanitarian resons of course, you know that, I'm saying is that I'm ok with diplomatic "tactis" against these regimes like not trading or not recogninzing authorities etc, what I'm against is the use of force or financing it.

I posted that map to show you that pushing Maduro out isn't Trump building another wall or something, pretty much all of latinamerica has been wanting this for a long time

The only explanation I could think of for that odd headline is if the US was first to come out in support of the opposition and more countries came rallying after as it was being written. But by the time it came out it should have been edited out if that was the case.

More accurate map.

On January 25 2019 02:02 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On January 25 2019 01:14 Spitfiree wrote: Yes, the USA is doing it for the humanitarian reasons, give me a break. You can't possibly believe that. Not even Americans believe that This time their cause would actually not matter though, the situation there is on an unseen level of fucked up Even if somehow Maduro is taken care of and a real democratic government is established, the fact that oil prices are quite low and not expected to change makes the whole outlook pretty bad. Let's see if other countries running on their oil money take a lesson though I dont think they are doing it because of humanitarian resons of course, you know that, I'm saying is that I'm ok with diplomatic "tactis" against these regimes like not trading or not recogninzing authorities etc, what I'm against is the use of force or financing it. I posted that map to show you that pushing Maduro out isn't Trump building another wall or something, pretty much all of latinamerica has been wanting this for a long time

Leftists whinning about US intervention are such hipocrites. Venezuela's military has been bought and trained by Cuba and assets have been flowing to Rusia, China, and Cuba for support for years now. Maduro has been giving away oil, and morever, sold the country to foreign powers long before people start crying about US backing the other side.

I would also remark that "Call for dialogue" is an euphemism for "ignore the situation while Maduro slaughters his opponents"

On January 25 2019 17:41 GoTuNk wrote: I would also remark that "Call for dialogue" is an euphemism for "ignore the situation while Maduro slaughters his opponents"

Yeah, call for dialogue is a joke at this point.

On January 25 2019 17:41 GoTuNk wrote: Show nested quote + On January 25 2019 02:02 Baalim wrote:   On January 25 2019 01:14 Spitfiree wrote: Yes, the USA is doing it for the humanitarian reasons, give me a break. You can't possibly believe that. Not even Americans believe that This time their cause would actually not matter though, the situation there is on an unseen level of fucked up Even if somehow Maduro is taken care of and a real democratic government is established, the fact that oil prices are quite low and not expected to change makes the whole outlook pretty bad. Let's see if other countries running on their oil money take a lesson though I dont think they are doing it because of humanitarian resons of course, you know that, I'm saying is that I'm ok with diplomatic "tactis" against these regimes like not trading or not recogninzing authorities etc, what I'm against is the use of force or financing it. I posted that map to show you that pushing Maduro out isn't Trump building another wall or something, pretty much all of latinamerica has been wanting this for a long time Leftists whinning about US intervention are such hipocrites. Venezuela's military has been bought and trained by Cuba and assets have been flowing to Rusia, China, and Cuba for support for years now. Maduro has been giving away oil, and morever, sold the country to foreign powers long before people start crying about US backing the other side. I would also remark that "Call for dialogue" is an euphemism for "ignore the situation while Maduro slaughters his opponents"

I could understand the "call for dialogue" posture from Europe who has no dog in this fight like I wouldnt expect Mexico to have an strong stance in Burma's political problems, but México washing its hands is simply support from Maduro.

The president of the party in power (who holds congress and the house) has called herself and the party followers of the bolivarian revolution, senators of the same party have been tweeting support for maduro but obviously the president can't publicly align that much since full support to leftist dictators would be political suicide, so they keep it under covers.

What is worse is thats its simply an unintelligent posture that allianates your commertial allies for no political or economical gain, the only thing I despise more than corruption is sheer incompetence and stupidity at these levels.

On January 26 2019 03:48 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On January 25 2019 17:41 GoTuNk wrote:   On January 25 2019 02:02 Baalim wrote:   On January 25 2019 01:14 Spitfiree wrote: Yes, the USA is doing it for the humanitarian reasons, give me a break. You can't possibly believe that. Not even Americans believe that This time their cause would actually not matter though, the situation there is on an unseen level of fucked up Even if somehow Maduro is taken care of and a real democratic government is established, the fact that oil prices are quite low and not expected to change makes the whole outlook pretty bad. Let's see if other countries running on their oil money take a lesson though I dont think they are doing it because of humanitarian resons of course, you know that, I'm saying is that I'm ok with diplomatic "tactis" against these regimes like not trading or not recogninzing authorities etc, what I'm against is the use of force or financing it. I posted that map to show you that pushing Maduro out isn't Trump building another wall or something, pretty much all of latinamerica has been wanting this for a long time Leftists whinning about US intervention are such hipocrites. Venezuela's military has been bought and trained by Cuba and assets have been flowing to Rusia, China, and Cuba for support for years now. Maduro has been giving away oil, and morever, sold the country to foreign powers long before people start crying about US backing the other side. I would also remark that "Call for dialogue" is an euphemism for "ignore the situation while Maduro slaughters his opponents" I could understand the "call for dialogue" posture from Europe who has no dog in this fight like I wouldnt expect Mexico to have an strong stance in Burma's political problems, but México washing its hands is simply support from Maduro. The president of the party in power (who holds congress and the house) has called herself and the party followers of the bolivarian revolution, senators of the same party have been tweeting support for maduro but obviously the president can't publicly align that much since full support to leftist dictators would be political suicide, so they keep it under covers. What is worse is thats its simply an unintelligent posture that allianates your commertial allies for no political or economical gain, the only thing I despise more than corruption is sheer incompetence and stupidity at these levels.

There are a lot of memes about "Mexicozuela" going around. Do you think Mexico will follow through down the shitter?

On January 26 2019 18:56 GoTuNk wrote: There are a lot of memes about "Mexicozuela" going around. Do you think Mexico will follow through down the shitter?

In his very brief time as president he has been even worse than anticipated he has so far:

Cancelled the new massive airport of mexico city that was halfway done just to prove a point that he is the shot caller obviously killing any trust from foreign and national investment and costing billions
There are gasoline shortages in many cities, people have to wait for hours in lines to fill their gas tank.
He is riling people up against the supreme court judges ( I suppose in a long term strategy to put his own judges and perhaps abolish anti-reelection laws )
To try to help with fuel shortage he bough 2,000 gasoline carring trucks and offered 10x minimum wage to the drivers... that is way more than what a guy with a degree earns
To try to stop gasoline theft from the ducts he is giving 3x minimum wage to all the families who l live close to these lines in an attempt to stop them from stealing fuel from the ducts (1 week ago 100+ people died burned to death when a duct exploded while they were stealing gasoline)
He has supported maduro twice now (refusing to join the Lima agreement and now refusing to acknowledge the new president)
He set the army lose on the streets despise being one of his main promises to remove the army from law-enforcement duties (this was quite unpopular among his own people but I leftists gotta keep the army close)

On the bright side we have much more solid institutions, laws etc than Venezuela so its not as easy for a dictator to take power and also we are the US neighbor and there is no way in hell they are going to let us turn into a leftist dictatorship easily, so at least we get that going for us.

On January 26 2019 22:25 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On January 26 2019 18:56 GoTuNk wrote: There are a lot of memes about "Mexicozuela" going around. Do you think Mexico will follow through down the shitter? In his very brief time as president he has been even worse than anticipated he has so far: Cancelled the new massive airport of mexico city that was halfway done just to prove a point that he is the shot caller obviously killing any trust from foreign and national investment and costing billions There are gasoline shortages in many cities, people have to wait for hours in lines to fill their gas tank. He is riling people up against the supreme court judges ( I suppose in a long term strategy to put his own judges and perhaps abolish anti-reelection laws ) To try to help with fuel shortage he bough 2,000 gasoline carring trucks and offered 10x minimum wage to the drivers... that is way more than what a guy with a degree earns To try to stop gasoline theft from the ducts he is giving 3x minimum wage to all the families who l live close to these lines in an attempt to stop them from stealing fuel from the ducts (1 week ago 100+ people died burned to death when a duct exploded while they were stealing gasoline) He has supported maduro twice now (refusing to join the Lima agreement and now refusing to acknowledge the new president) He set the army lose on the streets despise being one of his main promises to remove the army from law-enforcement duties (this was quite unpopular among his own people but I leftists gotta keep the army close) On the bright side we have much more solid institutions, laws etc than Venezuela so its not as easy for a dictator to take power and also we are the US neighbor and there is no way in hell they are going to let us turn into a leftist dictatorship easily, so at least we get that going for us.

Thanks for the answer, and good luck.

There is pretty strong evidence that Russian military mercenaries flew in to protect Maduro using Cuba and the private jet of a petrol magnate.

I feel like Putin takes really aggressive moves, where he basically pushes the US government to either shove or fold. Naturally they can go for the long game, but it will just buy time for Putin

The guy s the most amazing politician of our time, too bad he s such an evil prick.

On January 16 2019 08:49 Spitfiree wrote: France is probably the most social country in the entire world, I really don't understand the protests. Macron just wants the "common guy" to actually start working cause the country will fail in the long run. 10% of the country is employed in the administration, that is fucking absurd... France already taxes the rich by shitton, there is a reason a few years back many French businessmen fled the country and bought citizenship elsewhere. Their education is free and there are shitton of scholarships for students which basically support them throughout their entire study without the necessity to work (the money is enough to survive not more than that but still..). No idea about their healthcare system but it's Western Europe so i doubt its bad. Their average salaries compared to other European countries is quite competitive... so what the hell is the problem? This whole thing feels like it has been started by an external source to cause chaos in the country. Yellow vests have nothing to protest for

it's really obvious to me. their conditions are good because of protesting. you'll find the most extreme capitalist countries are the ones complaining that it's too socialist, and the most socialist countries complaining it's too capitalist. You would expect the most well off workers to be complaining the most about their conditions. France had almost a million syndacalists after ww1 as well, so it's got a pretty strong history of left wing movements

Piketty probably received more media coverage than any other economist in the liberal media a few years ago, if you don't know who he is it's because you don't read the news. His book was praised as some kind of amazing discovery by people like Krugman, which was like a sick joke to any radical, who already knew the books conclusions, and had been making stronger conclusions than Piketty for years. The book unintentionally exposed (to me) that the liberal media do not read the news sites of radical left at all. Everyone's in their own bubble it seems.

I didn't read his book but based on reviews it seemed pretty apolitical to me and very moderate in it's claims, like it was just a huge amount of empirical data arguing that when the rate of return on capital is greater than the rate of economic growth over the long term there will be increased inequality. One obvious solution is higher tax on the rich.

Baal your response was so ignorant and ideological, your just going to dismiss someone's work automatically based on someone's political leanings.

70% marginal tax on anything over $10,000,000 in a year with the tax increasing as the moolah, dinero, plata ascends.