Politics thread (USA Elections 2016) - Page 272

On November 05 2020 20:41 urasofty wrote: Trumpers in shambles

I just wanna know if GoTunkz is losing sleep over it, on top of money. You hangin' in there bud?

Aaand he turned Pennsylvania too, Trump supporters on suicide watch

On November 06 2020 02:30 Loco wrote: Show nested quote + On November 05 2020 20:41 urasofty wrote: Trumpers in shambles I just wanna know if GoTunkz is losing sleep over it, on top of money. You hangin' in there bud?

He was posting in the elections thread over at TL so he seems to be in good spirits. Then again moderation is a lot more strict over there so I'm sure he was on his best behavior

oh thank fkn god.

From what I saw gotunks was entirely reasonable in the tl live report thread. I don't agree with him on much and I think he has some seriously flawed sources of information, but I also think he's the kind of guy who has enough personal integrity to respond negatively towards Trump's absolutely pathetic behavior. The whole wah wah wah they're stealing the election by counting all the votes shit while being all sniffly and pathetic really, really doesn't match the strongman image he's been trying to cultivate, and Trump really put it on full display last night. Most Trump supporters have not been the Bannon kind ('it doesn't matter how bad we are, we must be this bad to create the revolution we want'), but rather they've seen something in Trump that they like.

I mean I could see him plausibly believing that some shady shit took place, but I can't picture Trump's image emerging unscathed.

Also this called it from Bernie was pretty amazing

Poll: Is Trump the Greatest Leader in the History of Mankind?
(Vote): Yes
(Vote): Probably
(Vote): Not GOAT but Top 5

well the liberal's tried as hard as they could to get trump elected but it didn't work:

Some basic facts:

Trump rigged this election 2 years ago with voter suppression https://truthout.org/articles/electio...-years-ago-with-massive-voter-purges/
Liberal's focused on critiquing him over issues most people don't give a shit about (like russia), instead of the fact that he is robbing the country, and the rest of the world. (Paul krugman critiquing tax cuts every once in a while doesn't count for much).
The corporate media made tons of money focusing on trumps clown behavior, because it made them a lot of money, and it lead to increased popularity of trump.
liberal media bias against bernie sanders was a joke to say the least, especially msnbc. And many think he would have been a better opponent to trump.

Fact of the matter is it's a miracle that trump lost-he was given this election on a platter. He rigged it, fox news worshipped him, and liberals didn't want to critique him on issues that actually matter. If he actually handled covid well he would have won quite easily, imo.

side note:

not sure how people bet on elections, it's always chaotic. Republican's won the senate, anyway, which means they will continue to ruin the rest of the world for the next four years.

On November 06 2020 18:34 Stroggoz wrote: well the liberal's tried as hard as they could to get trump elected but it didn't work: Some basic facts: Trump rigged this election 2 years ago with voter suppression https://truthout.org/articles/electio...-years-ago-with-massive-voter-purges/ Liberal's focused on critiquing him over issues most people don't give a shit about (like russia), instead of the fact that he is robbing the country, and the rest of the world. (Paul krugman critiquing tax cuts every once in a while doesn't count for much). The corporate media made tons of money focusing on trumps clown behavior, because it made them a lot of money, and it lead to increased popularity of trump. liberal media bias against bernie sanders was a joke to say the least, especially msnbc. And many think he would have been a better opponent to trump. Fact of the matter is it's a miracle that trump lost-he was given this election on a platter. He rigged it, fox news worshipped him, and liberals didn't want to critique him on issues that actually matter. If he actually handled covid well he would have won quite easily, imo. side note: not sure how people bet on elections, it's always chaotic. Republican's won the senate, anyway, which means they will continue to ruin the rest of the world for the next four years.

have you ever been diagnosed as having autism?

All TV networks cut Trump off as soon as he started talking about illegal votes and Twitter blocked all of Trump tweets mentioning fraud and banning any account talking about fraud, and yes Trump is playing a very dangerous game that can damge the US democracy, yet mass media openly weilding the turht minister power is far scarier than anything Trump is doing.

Interesting things about this election is that Trump's support greatly increased among all minorities, blacks, latinos and lgbt, this is a big loss for the intersectional left, and also this Biden victory means Sanders has near 0 chances to get on the presidential ticket in the future so the left has to wait at least a decade for AOC to be ready.

https://www.reddit.com/r/WatchPeopleD...dies_inside_while_being_arrested_and/

Australian woman is arrested, and has her home raided by police for attempting to organize a protest against coronavirus lockdowns.

I consider Reddit users to be smarter than the average person so it's really sad to see them all yucking it up over this woman being arrested and downvoting everyone that questions it. I have absolutely zero faith in my generation's willingness to stand up to any attack on freedom of speech. Hell, most of them are practically begging for more censorship from our tech overlords and criticizing Zuckerberg for being resistant to it. Redditors would lose their shit if the police raided the homes of people trying to organize BLM protests. News flash: If you support freedom of speech only for the people you agree with and not for the people you don't agree with then YOU DON'T FUCKING SUPPORT FREEDOM OF SPEECH.

Once again Baal is spot on. The "Trump is a threat to our democracy and he must be stopped by any means necessary" card is being played more and more by the people that are actually trying to subvert our democracy and too many people are blinded by their hatred of Trump to even realize the bait and switch that is being played on them.

America is a business oligarchy though, not a democracy He enriched the oligarchs but they also want him under control so yeah the orders have come down from rupert Murdoch to silence him now that the party is over. He is still a threat though. The goal is to prevent an oligarchy from becoming a dictatorship. No reasonable democratic media would ever give attention to such a clown in the first place. What a democratic media would do is focus on people who actually have important things to say. I don't have any problem with agreeing with a capitalist oligarchy that trump should not have a shred of extra media attention. Nor is this really a suppression of speech in the conventional sense of the term. What that would entail is fining, firing or imprisoning someone solely for their political or religious views. I've always advocated for free speech which is why I think the media and big tech should be run democratically. And why people like trump should be jail, considering the number of people he silenced and murdered under his presidency. Although legal action against him would not be a smart move right now imo.

You know that Trump is done when Fox News has had Biden as the favorite since Day 1 of counting.

Anyway this wont be over any time soon since Trump has the legal right to ask for a recount for pretty much every turned state with the current results - Michigan, Georgia, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania

Why does it take 1 day to count 3 million votes and then 2 weeks to count 20k that make Trump lose

On November 07 2020 07:09 Stroggoz wrote: America is a business oligarchy though, not a democracy He enriched the oligarchs but they also want him under control so yeah the orders have come down from rupert Murdoch to silence him now that the party is over. He is still a threat though. The goal is to prevent an oligarchy from becoming a dictatorship. No reasonable democratic media would ever give attention to such a clown in the first place. What a democratic media would do is focus on people who actually have important things to say. I don't have any problem with agreeing with a capitalist oligarchy that trump should not have a shred of extra media attention. Nor is this really a suppression of speech in the conventional sense of the term. What that would entail is fining, firing or imprisoning someone solely for their political or religious views. I've always advocated for free speech which is why I think the media and big tech should be run democratically. And why people like trump should be jail, considering the number of people he silenced and murdered under his presidency. Although legal action against him would not be a smart move right now imo.

If you censor Trump's retarded claims about fraud by "not giving attention to them" then legitimate claims about fraud in a future will also be censored, unless of course you are naive enough to think the media will get right when the claims are and aren't legitimate.


The contradictions of libertarian left wing people regarding authoritarian views on freedom of speech baffles me, how can you guys be so oblivious to your bias, you'd be singing a different tune in a fascist media where its you who are not "given attention".

Not a contradiction, it's not censorship, and you have zero clue if you don't already think the left is routinely suppressed.

The control of speech is not a contradiction to libertarian ideals? all right then lol.

Do you think the right and the left are having their freedom of speech supressed equally, or do you think one more than the other?

btw, interesting paralel with Mexico, our current president (best president in the world according to Loco lol) lost the previous elections and claimed fraud, demanded to count vote by vote, he held rallies and made a big movement about it, then his people took downtown Mexico city with tents and blocked the street for like 6 months... after it didn't go anywhere he declared himself "legitimate president of Mexico" with a ceremony and eveything and pretended to rule for like another year, 6 years later he won the election by landslide lol.

On November 09 2020 03:07 Baalim wrote: btw, interesting paralel with Mexico, our current president (best president in the world according to Loco lol) lost the previous elections and claimed fraud, demanded to count vote by vote, he held rallies and made a big movement about it, then his people took downtown Mexico city with tents and blocked the street for like 6 months... after it didn't go anywhere he declared himself "legitimate president of Mexico" with a ceremony and eveything and pretended to rule for like another year, 6 years later he won the election by landslide lol.

Holy shit... That is weird and sad at the same time.

Is your president at least helping the country move forward to become a better place? If he is, then awesome.

ugh vice president kamala harris and equity > equality :'(

im pretty tilted especially since it looked like god-emperor trump was doing great at first, then sick beats lag bm maphack rigged fake news & ballots

where's my pepe on copium meme?

On November 09 2020 01:08 Baalim wrote: The control of speech is not a contradiction to libertarian ideals? all right then lol. Do you think the right and the left are having their freedom of speech supressed equally, or do you think one more than the other?

It's a joke to even suggest this, but i understand why you think this because you think leftists are people who rage about identity politics on twitter, antifa, or are chapo traphouse types, or are just the odd lunatic in a university who argue math is racist. If leftists have something interesting to say, they are ignored, if they say crazy things, they are given attention.

Do you know robert fisk? He died several days ago. In my view one of the greatest journalists in history-he covered middle east geopolitics for many decades, supported the palestinian cause and interviewed osama bin laden a few times. Try find an interview with him in the US corporate media, try find a single one. I'm not sure you can-you might want to google search and see if i'm right about that. So, yes-routinely suppressed. What about Chris Hedges when he opposed the iraq war? He was fired from the new york times on the same day. What about walden bello exposing famines caused by globalization? No one here has heard of him. What about economists putting forth green new deal proposals? They don't enjoy the privilege of beleiving in debt ceilings or any of the other pseudo-science propagated by conservative economists. All of the scientists working in the EPA under Trump that got fired purely for being scientists? Yeah you'll find the liberal media covering that-for a few minutes.

Everyone knows about alex jones getting silenced by youtube. Ok, fine, you can complain about that even though up until then the free marketers were saying well you can just compete in the media by setting up alternative business if you don't like the current one your in! No one here except maybe loco would know anything about how the algorithm has been suppressing left media for around four years now. Why? It's not even considered news worthy:

The left media are suppressed by the google algortithm, and their traffic took a serious hit around 2016, and it was studied by FAIR:

"Indeed, the leftist media watchdog group Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting (FAIR) found that after Google’s drive for more reliable content, the sites reporting drops-off in traffic are uniformly on the left, and often among the best left-leaning sites. They included the popular left news site Democracy Now!, whose traffic fell by 36 percent; Truthout, by 25 percent; CounterPunch, by 21 percent, and the liberal AlterNet, by a crushing 63 percent.38 AlterNet’s graph of its site traffic shows the catastrophic impact of this move by the Internet’s “master switch,” with its visitor numbers gradually rising over several years to well over six hundred thousand and then plunging steeply after the new algorithm was introduced."-Bit Tyrants.

The CEO of google admitted suppressing the world socialist website just recently as a sort of 'gotcha' when being interrogated for his apparent bias against conservatives.

Apparently we have to go out of our way to listen to idiots to not be 'suppressors of free speech'. That's essentially the definition of free speech your using, i actually have to keep listening to trump or else im suppressing him, even though he has been given more attention than anyone in the world? How do you not realize how childish this is. I agree with you on one thing and that is that the coporate media can flick a switch to decide who is and isn't given coverage, that is chilling-but you havn't given the slightest attention to any of the above examples i gave.

On November 09 2020 19:15 Stroggoz wrote: Show nested quote + On November 09 2020 01:08 Baalim wrote: The control of speech is not a contradiction to libertarian ideals? all right then lol. Do you think the right and the left are having their freedom of speech supressed equally, or do you think one more than the other? It's a joke to even suggest this, but i understand why you think this because you think leftists are people who rage about identity politics on twitter, antifa, or are chapo traphouse types, or are just the odd lunatic in a university who argue math is racist. If leftists have something interesting to say, they are ignored, if they say crazy things, they are given attention. Do you know robert fisk? He died several days ago. In my view one of the greatest journalists in history-he covered middle east geopolitics for many decades, supported the palestinian cause and interviewed osama bin laden a few times. Try find an interview with him in the US corporate media, try find a single one. I'm not sure you can-you might want to google search and see if i'm right about that. So, yes-routinely suppressed. What about Chris Hedges when he opposed the iraq war? He was fired from the new york times on the same day. What about walden bello exposing famines caused by globalization? No one here has heard of him. What about economists putting forth green new deal proposals? They don't enjoy the privilege of beleiving in debt ceilings or any of the other pseudo-science propagated by conservative economists. All of the scientists working in the EPA under Trump that got fired purely for being scientists? Yeah you'll find the liberal media covering that-for a few minutes. Everyone knows about alex jones getting silenced by youtube. Ok, fine, you can complain about that even though up until then the free marketers were saying well you can just compete in the media by setting up alternative business if you don't like the current one your in! No one here except maybe loco would know anything about how the algorithm has been suppressing left media for around four years now. Why? It's not even considered news worthy: The left media are suppressed by the google algortithm, and their traffic took a serious hit around 2016, and it was studied by FAIR: "Indeed, the leftist media watchdog group Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting (FAIR) found that after Google’s drive for more reliable content, the sites reporting drops-off in traffic are uniformly on the left, and often among the best left-leaning sites. They included the popular left news site Democracy Now!, whose traffic fell by 36 percent; Truthout, by 25 percent; CounterPunch, by 21 percent, and the liberal AlterNet, by a crushing 63 percent.38 AlterNet’s graph of its site traffic shows the catastrophic impact of this move by the Internet’s “master switch,” with its visitor numbers gradually rising over several years to well over six hundred thousand and then plunging steeply after the new algorithm was introduced."-Bit Tyrants. The CEO of google admitted suppressing the world socialist website just recently as a sort of 'gotcha' when being interrogated for his apparent bias against conservatives. Apparently we have to go out of our way to listen to idiots to not be 'suppressors of free speech'. That's essentially the definition of free speech your using, i actually have to keep listening to trump or else im suppressing him, even though he has been given more attention than anyone in the world? How do you not realize how childish this is. I agree with you on one thing and that is that the coporate media can flick a switch to decide who is and isn't given coverage, that is chilling-but you havn't given the slightest attention to any of the above examples i gave.

Stroggoz don't you think its fair to say that you exhibit the signs of a highly autistic individual, and that this makes you unable to perceive things in a way that normal people do? I don't mean to say it's a bad thing necessarily, it makes you excel at math and games for example, but in the realm of politics this can be a bad thing.