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Baalim   Mexico. May 16 2019 23:57. Posts 32678


  On May 16 2019 15:13 Liquid`Drone wrote:

realized that 'while their heart was in the right place', they still made big mistakes.



I think its important that people let go of that concept of "heart being in the right place", nobody think of ourselves as having our heart in the wrong place, we all think we are good people so we have to focus on not falling into dogmatic views and to never excuse losing sight of what is true only because we have good intentions, the most horrible crimes in history were done with good intentions in the mind of their perpetrators.

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Baalim   Mexico. May 17 2019 00:02. Posts 32678

btw just saw this shit



Under that line of logic, whoever seems abortion as baby killing is then justified to use violence to prevent it, you want to vote to raise taxes for whatever program? I see that as stealing money and I am justified to use violence against anyone pushing for that social program etc.


This is why you dont "punch nazis" -_-

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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. May 17 2019 08:29. Posts 8714


  On May 16 2019 22:53 Baalim wrote:
its so bizarre to me that so many people cling to such valueless things as heritage.


Everytime, I've tried discussing this topic with people they end up blabbing complete non-sense, the smarter people just shut up at some point realizing their massive bias. It almost feels like we're genetically preprogrammed to value heritage and cultural identity based on birth and it makes no sense from any point of view e.g. evolutionary, there's no way given people have been part of a given society for long enough to assimilate the heritage genetically. Most of us have been nomads until 1500 years ago

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Baalim   Mexico. May 17 2019 09:05. Posts 32678

It has to be evolutionary otherwise it wouldn't be a such a strong tendency, nomads yes but like other primates we probably traveled in close groups and treated strangers with distrust and aggression, we are terrible at changing habits and adapting to new cultures, thats why I think its very difficult to have a shorter assimilation time than a generation, because its the children the ones who adapt quickly, not the immigrants

What I find appauling is that ideologues on the left and right see it as something very valuable, while in reality its a old skin we must shed in order to leave archaic hatreds behind.

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Obannon112   Finland. May 18 2019 09:12. Posts 26

I'm pretty sure second generation immigrants cause a lot more trouble than their parents did.


Spitfiree   Bulgaria. May 18 2019 16:07. Posts 8714


  On May 18 2019 08:12 Obannon112 wrote:
I'm pretty sure second generation immigrants cause a lot more trouble than their parents did.



You're sure based on what? 'Your opinion ? GJ


Obannon112   Finland. May 18 2019 18:50. Posts 26


  On May 18 2019 15:07 Spitfiree wrote:
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You're sure based on what? 'Your opinion ? GJ


Studies. Obviously politicians try to blame white man for immigrants crimes because everyone is racist and poor immigrants can only take so much.


Baalim   Mexico. May 24 2019 06:52. Posts 32678


  On May 18 2019 17:50 Obannon112 wrote:
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Studies. Obviously politicians try to blame white man for immigrants crimes because everyone is racist and poor immigrants can only take so much.



post the source, "studies" means nothing.

Its not unreasonable to think that though, its quite often apparent that 1s gen migrants are hard working people in seek of a better life and the sons dont have that drive and gravitate more towards crime, but this is in proportion to how isolated their community is, which is my point.


If you drop a random immigrant Mexican family in some poor spanish-speaking neighborhood in LA its likely the 2nd gen is going to be mixed up in crime, but if you drop that same family in the middle of suburban Boston its very likely that family will integrate quickly and stay away from crime.

How do we archieve that sounds like a challenge, It would require federal and state cooperation, make bordering cities very difficult for immigrants to incentive them traveling further north along, along with controlling total immigration, and that itself is tricky I'd suggest a much easier legal migration process and removing benefits and going after businesses who hire illegal workers, and no, a wall is not an effective method at all, quite the contrary its one of the most inefficient ways I can think of.

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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. May 24 2019 18:25. Posts 8714

No it's not unreasonable to think that, cause its a logical fallacy. No study would matter cause the "average" wouldnt mean shit here. A single person could destroy the whole statistical excerpt. There are hundreds of factors to take into consideration and its practically impossible for any study to have a relevant "result". Making such a claim is outright retarded. Only thing it would accomplish is lead to some poor conclusion which will most likely be rather harmful than anything else. Its a useless topic.

You wanna fix problems with immigrants? Don't give them rights which could let them abuse people. Protect them from natives though. And build a good educational system for everyone in the mean time... Once your politicians start talking about immigrants then you should be very worried about what they are trying to shift the focus from.

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Loco   Canada. May 30 2019 21:50. Posts 19734

"US energy department rebrands gas exports 'molecules of freedom'"

No, it's not from The Onion.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-48454674

"Increasing export capacity from the Freeport LNG project is critical to spreading freedom gas throughout the world by giving America's allies a diverse and affordable source of clean energy," Mark Menezes, the US undersecretary of energy, said.

Moving forward to the future:

Loco: Holy shit, *posts news about horrible anthropogenic global warming effects affecting millions of people*.

Baal: So generic, you're against the spreading of molecules of freedom across the world like other authoritarian leftists. This isn't bad, the free market is just freeing up all those people to do new things. If they didn't want this to happen to them, they shouldn't have voluntarily consented to existing under capitalism.

For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong. (Mencken)Last edit: 30/05/2019 22:14

Spitfiree   Bulgaria. May 30 2019 22:38. Posts 8714

What the actual fuck. I read about that in 9gag while taking a shit pre-work and thought of it was just another 'freedom' joke. It is actually fucking true WHAT :D

 Last edit: 30/05/2019 22:48

Loco   Canada. May 31 2019 01:06. Posts 19734

It makes sense, really. They believe they're involved in a race against time and whatever can possibly buy them some more time to accumulate more wealth is worth a try. Obviously what they say is that this is "clean energy" because it emits less carbon dioxide in the atmosphere than coal and oil, but what they withhold is that the primary component of natural gas is methane, which is up to 105 times more powerful than carbon dioxide when released in the atmosphere.

For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong. (Mencken)Last edit: 31/05/2019 01:27

RiKD    United States. May 31 2019 02:53. Posts 5420

smh and ROFL

Pay an expert on technology a huge sum of money to ask him how to control the security force when "the event" (climate catastrophe, nuclear war, robot takeover, etc.) happens. Sheesh. That's the thing too. They are trying wring as much money out of whatever they can for this great escape. I don't understand why these idiots can't see other options that aren't destroying the world.


Loco   Canada. May 31 2019 03:22. Posts 19734

Same reason the vast majority of people can't conceive of it: Capitalist Realism. By the way, I hope your family is thinking of relocating. You live in a coastal region at like 10-15 feet elevation...

For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong. (Mencken)Last edit: 31/05/2019 03:39

RiKD    United States. May 31 2019 03:38. Posts 5420

What are the projections looking like? I thought we had a good 50 years. My parents won't be around at that point. I have talked to them about it but they are oblivious. I haven't pushed the issue because I figured they will die and likely the house will be left to my brother, sisters, and I and we will just sell the house and I could use the capital from the house to relocate. The rest of my family live in Ohio and Western Mass.


RiKD    United States. May 31 2019 03:49. Posts 5420

The next time someone tries to bring up the NUMBER of communist deaths which is always exaggerated I am going to bring up the fact that if we don't change capitalism will be responsible for the extinction of humanity. "50-100million" from shit communism and despotic leaders versus extinction of humanity...... hmmmmmm....... and the capitalists are trying to out capitalist NATURE and SCIENCE. I don't know how I feel about these billionaires burning up in their rocket ships. It might be a taste of some medicine. When great men like Omar Torrijos and Jaime Roldós burn up in planes likely due to the CIA.

 Last edit: 31/05/2019 03:51

Loco   Canada. May 31 2019 04:32. Posts 19734

You don't have close to a good 50 years. In 50-60 years the city will be underwater or close to it. "Within the next three decades, nearly 8,000 homes in Charleston County could flood at least 26 times a year if the sea level rises by 2 feet". People who are aware of what's coming are already starting to sell in low elevation coastal regions. Your family doesn't want to be selling when the masses will have caught up, so the sooner the better. Unfortunately it sounds like this is exactly what's going to happen for you. Sorry. =/

https://www.postandcourier.com/news/s...99d4-6ff5-11e8-abee-b32f453c638c.html

For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong. (Mencken)Last edit: 31/05/2019 04:44

Santafairy   Korea (South). May 31 2019 05:45. Posts 1429


  On May 30 2019 20:50 Loco wrote:
"US energy department rebrands gas exports 'molecules of freedom'"

No, it's not from The Onion.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-48454674

"Increasing export capacity from the Freeport LNG project is critical to spreading freedom gas throughout the world by giving America's allies a diverse and affordable source of clean energy," Mark Menezes, the US undersecretary of energy, said.

Moving forward to the future:

Loco: Holy shit, *posts news about horrible anthropogenic global warming effects affecting millions of people*.

Baal: So generic, you're against the spreading of molecules of freedom across the world like other authoritarian leftists. This isn't bad, the free market is just freeing up all those people to do new things. If they didn't want this to happen to them, they shouldn't have voluntarily consented to existing under capitalism.



well the US could devote its $2 trillion budget into buying the whole country bikes and windmills and solar panels and let wonderful countries like saudi arabia, russia, venezuela, china, and so on, control world energy instead

It seems to be not very profitable in the long run to play those kind of hands. - Gus Hansen 

RiKD    United States. May 31 2019 16:34. Posts 5420

Did you know that the White House had solar panels back in the 1970s and Reagan had them removed?

Are we justified in violence against these capitalists wringing out every last dollar for their own personal gain at the peril of mankind?


The U.S.A. is a different animal then say Denmark. My last city Pittsburgh was dying to improve the biking in their city but it's a craggy, hilly city with hot summers and cold winters and the roads are shit. Windmills wouldn't work there and solar panels would be lackluster. So, what does Pittsburgh do? I don't know. That doesn't mean the USA shouldn't be adopting these things where it can. I would rather the USA subsidize electric cars than factory farming and high fructose corn syrup. Stop subsidizing a lot of stuff harmful to our communities including oil. Sustaining this global empire is destroying the world and not the right thing to do. You think Finland cares about controlling world energy???


Loco   Canada. May 31 2019 18:01. Posts 19734


  On May 31 2019 04:45 Santafairy wrote:
Show nested quote +


well the US could devote its $2 trillion budget into buying the whole country bikes and windmills and solar panels and let wonderful countries like saudi arabia, russia, venezuela, china, and so on, control world energy instead


Indeed, it is much more logical and helpful to create this binary and encourage countries to play a slow chess match where no one wins because it guarantees mutual destruction in the end.

For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong. (Mencken) 

 
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