The hubris it takes to claim to speak in the name of latin americans while supporting a US puppet who proclaimed himself president in the middle of the street in Venezuela when 80% of Venezuelans hadn't heard about him before. The delusion it takes to think that economic blockades and sanctions that kill poor people are fair game to get rid of people you don't like in government and to consider yourself non-violent and non-interventionist. And now that they're engaging in infrastructure sabotage and have shut down 80% of electricity production in Venezuela, you must be delighted.
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On March 14 2019 00:39 Loco wrote:
The hubris it takes to claim to speak in the name of latin americans while supporting a US puppet who proclaimed himself president
The hubris it requires to "speak for latinamerica" holding the same position as Chile, Argentina, paraguay, Brazil, Peru , Colombia Ecuador, Honduras, Costa Rica and Panamá.
Chavez and Maduro are the boogeymen in latinamerica, leftist politicians have to publicly disavow them or they face political death.
I've never met in my life a Mexican who support Chavez or Maduro, and as I've mentioned many times my social circle is mostly super american-hating liberal hippie type, I guess that position is reserved for clueless naive foreigners who see neo-nazis killing people on the streets lol.
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Santafairy Korea (South). Mar 14 2019 09:17. Posts 2226
>when you're not brown enough to disagree with Loco
On March 13 2019 18:08 NMcNasty wrote:
In actual news, Manafort sentenced to more charges today including ‘conspiracy against the United States’ bringing his total prison time to 7.5 years. See that’s the difference between Russiagate and fake scandals like Benghazi and Uranium One, you have investigations that find criminals, get convictions, and send them to prison. But until there’s video evidence of Putin pimp-slapping Trump it’s just ‘bullshit’, ‘bad strategy’, and of course a WITCH HUNT!!!!!!!!
It seems to be not very profitable in the long run to play those kind of hands. - Gus Hansen
On March 14 2019 00:39 Loco wrote:
The hubris it takes to claim to speak in the name of latin americans while supporting a US puppet who proclaimed himself president
The hubris it requires to "speak for latinamerica" holding the same position as Chile, Argentina, paraguay, Brazil, Peru , Colombia Ecuador, Honduras, Costa Rica and Panamá.
Chavez and Maduro are the boogeymen in latinamerica, leftist politicians have to publicly disavow them or they face political death.
I've never met in my life a Mexican who support Chavez or Maduro, and as I've mentioned many times my social circle is mostly super american-hating liberal hippie type, I guess that position is reserved for clueless naive foreigners who see neo-nazis killing people on the streets lol.
Correction: the same position as the governing bodies of those countries. They didn't gather up their people and poll them anonymously. Leaders made the decision. Those leaders faced enormous economic pressure to conform, like Argentina who has a huge debt to the IMF. Not to speak of corruption. Columbia's president was picked by Álvaro Uribe, a US educated guy with ties to death squads and drug cartels. Honduras' government is the result of a US coup, and Brazil's elections have major legitimacy issues and they are currently the US' strongest allies for this coup. All of this says nothing about the people's support of Guaido and the immorality of supporting a coup attempt on any level. You don't get to weasel yourself out of that argument by appealing to the number of countries that support it in latin america. Most countries supported the Iraq war too, the "coalition of the willing": almost the same number of countries as those that currently support the Venezuelan coup.
Yeah, they're the boogeyman largely in wealthy, light-skinned circles, as well as for people who take mainstream news at face value. Of course that represents your social circle, otherwise you wouldn't be so ignorant of what has gone on in that country. Chavez was the most beloved leader in Venezuela history, with close to 80% of people saying he was. When the US-backed coup resulted in the kidnapping of Chavez in 2002, millions of Venezuelans flooded the streets and they got their democratically-elected president back in office. Where else in latin america did we ever see that? They didn't do that because of people like me telling them to, you know that right? And Maduro is still more popular than Guaido. But please keep sticking your head in the sand because "muh friends are with me on this".
Go to 13:50 in this video and look at the pictures. He's a BBC investigative journalist and you think the BBC is good, so you'll have no problem listening to him for a minute. Now tell me how exactly your "but I'm Mexican and you're a clueless Canadian" card plays out from there.
fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccount
On March 13 2019 18:08 NMcNasty wrote:
In actual news, Manafort sentenced to more charges today including ‘conspiracy against the United States’ bringing his total prison time to 7.5 years. See that’s the difference between Russiagate and fake scandals like Benghazi and Uranium One, you have investigations that find criminals, get convictions, and send them to prison. But until there’s video evidence of Putin pimp-slapping Trump it’s just ‘bullshit’, ‘bad strategy’, and of course a WITCH HUNT!!!!!!!!
>when you're the same tint of brown as a guy with 100% European ancestry but you think you can speak for people of color
By the way, good job on not falling for that one conspiracy theory; it's a rare event in your life. At least McNasty doesn't believe in cultural Marxism.
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Stroggoz New Zealand. Mar 14 2019 20:47. Posts 5296
The carter centre also rated the elections of chavez one of the fairest in the world. It was ranked pretty high up there as democracy goes, he improved quality of life for most venezaulans if you look at poverty statistics, the reason why he was so popular. He seems like a pretty extreme guy from what i've seen from journalists that went to interview him and observe the country during his tenure.
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NMcNasty United States. Mar 14 2019 21:06. Posts 2039
On March 14 2019 08:17 Santafairy wrote:
Almost forgot about the, lol, Email scandal. Its pretty much exhibit A of how Trumpkins live in alternate reality where running your own email server is somehow a treasonous offense. The argument that there was a massive govt cover up to protect Hillary is all well and good, Trump was saying exactly the same during the 2016 campaign. His supporters went rabid for this nonsense at his rallies chanting 'lock her up' and wearing 'Hillary for prison' t-shirts. He made it a campaign promise that if he's elected prosecuting her is going to be one of the first things he does. Then, absurdly, Trump actually is elected president. And to the surprise of no one, nothing actually happens. Its exactly the same as the stupid wall. His supporters mostly don't care though, because they were never really being genuine to begin with. As long as you're flinging shit at liberals on a regular basis nothing you do actually matters.
On March 14 2019 19:47 Stroggoz wrote:
The carter centre also rated the elections of chavez one of the fairest in the world. It was ranked pretty high up there as democracy goes, he improved quality of life for most venezaulans if you look at poverty statistics, the reason why he was so popular. He seems like a pretty extreme guy from what i've seen from journalists that went to interview him and observe the country during his tenure.
yes when you nationalize assets, put everbody in the government payroll supporting it with a sudden increase in crude prices while you dont generate any reserves and at the same time you print money like crazy yeah, people live good for a while, until you run out of money and everything collapses like it did... oh no it collapsed because the imperialist sabotaged their economy, 3,400% inflation is totally the gringos fault lol.
"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of others people's money" Margaret Thatcher.
Again with the inellectual dishonesty off the charts.
what is contrast and lighting... how do they work...
You seem very insistent that latinamericans suppot Chavez or Maduro, and since polls can't be trusted how about for the first time in your life you put your money where your mouth is Lets make a big bet and i'll set up a live video polling people on their opinion on Maduro, ill do it downtown in a poor part of the city and only interview dark skinned people because apparently lightskinned people dont count and I'll give you all the assurances you need so you know I'm not manipulating the result.
Come on, teach me a costly lesson and donate the money to the communist party if you wish, its a win win, lets go!.
On March 14 2019 19:47 Stroggoz wrote:
The carter centre also rated the elections of chavez one of the fairest in the world. It was ranked pretty high up there as democracy goes, he improved quality of life for most venezaulans if you look at poverty statistics, the reason why he was so popular. He seems like a pretty extreme guy from what i've seen from journalists that went to interview him and observe the country during his tenure.
yes when you nationalize assets, put everbody in the government payroll supporting it with a sudden increase in crude prices while you dont generate any reserves and at the same time you print money like crazy yeah, people live good for a while, until you run out of money and everything collapses like it did... oh no it collapsed because the imperialist sabotaged their economy, 3,400% inflation is totally the gringos fault lol.
"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of others people's money" Margaret Thatcher.
nationalization of assets is a good starting policy for any country trying to work it's way out of dependcy. These 'third world' or developing countries, w/e we want to call them, the ones that escaped poverty did nationalize a chunk of their assets, but they did more than that. They diversified their economy as well. This has been studied by economists, robert wade, ha joon chang, ect. Yes, the imperialists did impose sanctions on venezuala and it did contribute towards the downfall. Obviously corruption inside the country is a big problem too. Chavez didn't diversity the economy and simply nationalizing isn't enough, he could have done more and followed the model's that east asain economies did to escape economic dependency. inflation decreased under chavez fwiw
Privitzation is the primary object of the imperialists in the west, their are loads of examples to show this to be true.
Maduro has not been a good leader but there are so many lies about Chavez it's hysterical.
The problem with socialism is it's misrepresented.
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On March 15 2019 05:10 RiKD wrote:
You are going to go to Venezuela and do this?
lol fuck no, the bet would have to be huge for me to travel.
Loco said:
: the same position as the governing bodies of those countries. They didn't gather up their people and poll them anonymously. Leaders made the decision. Those leaders faced enormous economic pressure
Yeah, they're the boogeyman largely in wealthy, light-skinned circles, as well as for people who take mainstream news at face value. Of course that represents your social circle
He thinks its the latinamerican government under pressure and we lightskinned uncle toms that are against Maduro, so I'd do it in Mexico
I think we poker people can appreciate how talk is easy, it is only when money is on the line when it shows who is full of shit.
You can buy action if you wnt, it would be a simple 1 question poll to 100 people with all the safeguards necessary to make sure I'm being legit (not that I would ever cheat in a prop bet tho), obviously can't be 100 bucks or something meaningless, it has to be a few K to make it sting and to be worth it to set it up.
Maybe it would be interesting to do this experiment in Mexico about the current Mexican leadership but I only know a little bit about Mexican History and little to nothing about current Mexican politics. It is slightly interesting to me regarding Maduro but the only thing I would truly be interested in is actually going to Venezuela and polling more than 100 people. "Negro y indigeno" as I believe Chavez put it. I think it is something that would make for a great documentary but I don't think I am qualified to do it. I would much rather spend thousands of dollars I don't have on a video camera and a plane ticket rather than some contrived bet.
Have not read any of the posts yet. Just came to say that New Zealand has just had its worst mass shooting in its history. Who was responsible? Antifa? Jihadists? Neo-fascism isn't a real problem though; like Baal said just two days ago, it's just in my imagination.
How can someone live in such a skewed reality that they see nazis walking down the street killing people en masse lol.
Very funny stuff indeed. Ten days ago I also realized that Baal has been right about Venezuela the whole time, so I am here to give my apologies. It really is a socialist dictatorship.
fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccount
LOL did Baal really just try to claim that the pictures are fraudulent and it's just a trick of the light? Oh my god.... how do you not realize that people can google this shit and see the original picture with natural lightning?
On March 15 2019 05:10 RiKD wrote:
You are going to go to Venezuela and do this?
lol fuck no, the bet would have to be huge for me to travel.
Done. Let's just do a huge bet. You said you'd make it fair and ask the poor. Let's do it in the barrios in Venezuela. I think it would be ideal to send a third party with you though, I don't trust that you will do this properly on your own. (Can you blame me? Look at what you just did with the pictures...). If you choke and insist to stay in Mexico, I accept if you go to Chiapas where the poorest people reside. You are going to ask if they support Juan Guaido as the legitimate president of Venezuela (and why they do or don't). You will also ask them if they thought that Chavez was a "boogeyman" as you claim.. i.e. whether he did more harm than good. That second one can just be a side bet.
fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccount
On March 15 2019 16:22 Loco wrote:
LOL did Baal really just try to claim that the pictures are fraudulent and it's just a trick of the light? Oh my god.... how do you not realize that people can google this shit and see the original picture with natural lightning?
Left, the picture you posted
Righ, the original.
(i drew circles with the color of the skin of the same guy so you can see the difference more clearly)
Not only it was photoshopped, but the original lighting is very different.
btw I'm not even arguing against the premise, everybody knows there is a correlation between class, skin and political affiliation, you dont see that many blacks voting republican do you?, what I was pointing out was the obvious lighting used in these photos to exagerate this identity politics narrative
On March 15 2019 16:01 Loco wrote:
Have not read any of the posts yet. Just came to say that New Zealand has just had its worst mass shooting in its history. Who was responsible? Antifa? Jihadists? Neo-fascism isn't a real problem though; like Baal said just two days ago, it's just in my imagination.
So given that muslim terrorism causes far more casualties I assume you also want to curtail their freedom of speech and you want to punch jihadis correct?
Ironically he wrote in his manifesto that his intent was to polarize and divide particularly the US, that after this the left was going to try to abolish the 2nd amendment and the right was going to rise up to defend it, he mentioned Pewdiepie and Candence Owens because he knew the media would go be delighted to go after them and their followers would be alienated pushed them into radicalization, the guy also mentioned that he was a communist to only give fuel to the right to squabble even more.
God needs a devil, ideologies need enemies, thei see their world as a place where immigrants and the hard left are trying to destroy their way of life and they have to stop it through violence, and you see the world as a place where nazis walk the streets hunting down minorities and you have to stop it through violence, you are the two sides of the same coin.
"but.. but.. but.. i only throw punches I dont use guns" said the idiot that though that the violence cycle ends with a punch.
On March 15 2019 16:22 Loco wrote:
LOL did Baal really just try to claim that the pictures are fraudulent and it's just a trick of the light? Oh my god.... how do you not realize that people can google this shit and see the original picture with natural lightning?
Left, the picture you posted
Righ, the original.
Not only it was photoshopped, but the original lighting is very different.
btw I'm not even arguing against the premise, everybody knows there is a correlation between class, skin and political affiliation, you dont see that many blacks voting republican do you?, what I was pointing out was the obvious lighting used in these photos to exagerate this identity politics narrative
Left/right? I don't know what you're talking about. There is no left or right pictures. The way pictures show up on Liquidpoker is on top of one another.
You took screenshots of a page that I cannot access. The article is no longer working on Greg Palast's website. That means that it's impossible for me to verify and compare it with the ones I got from just Googling the original pictures. Either way, your attack on Greg Palast aside, it is easy to Google the pictures and take them straight from the government website and BBC. So again, taking the original sources, it is clear that there is no need to exaggerate contrast/brightness, making your conspiracy theory moot.
fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccount
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