Kind of surprising that only 36% of the asylum applicants in Germany are Syrian.
Where are the rest from? Libya and Iraq?
The stats as laid out in the article makes it sound as if there's already more MENA migrants that arrived this year than all of last year. How is Europe not just refusing these guys entry at this point? I don't get what the end game is supposed to be here from the European perspective.
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On July 25 2016 08:59 Spitfiree wrote:
The only problem with islam is that
Great! We've made progress, you recognize that there is a problem with Islam.
Previously I would've said that im against all religions, except i found out that is not the case, its more of a im against anything that takes advantage of stupid people to succeed in amoral deeds, which is not always the case with religions. As it is with Islam, its just that the majority of followers are dumb as hell and much easier to control and turn into radicals
@nolan Central/South Africa like Libya and such where countries are on the verge or in a civil war and the Mid-east countries. Im guessing most of syrians are in camps in Turkey, thats why the situation in Turkey is quite problematic for Europe, as Erdogan can flood the continent with millions of more migrants at any point if he decides to do so
On July 25 2016 08:59 Spitfiree wrote:
You should be observing crime levels not levels of blowing themselves up. It's not like we can compare them though cause I doubt there s a legit statistics about that.
Also which other region in the world sleeps under the sound of drones for years now, would you mind pointing that out ?
The only problem with islam is that its followers are mostly uneducated and they are following it blindly. If you follow christianity blindly it would be close to the same, women for example would be considered slightly better than animals.
Unlike you I acknowledge all the factors leading to these phenomenon, so yes of course Drones are a huge factor, but so is Islam, that is the fundamental flaw in your argument, your irrationally refuse to reckon that Islam is part of the equation.
Yes of course the difference between muslims and christians is how "serious" they take their religion, most Christians dont really give a fuck about the bible, I've been arguing since the start of thread like these that both religions when it comes to holy books are equally awful.
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On July 25 2016 12:45 nolan wrote:
Kind of surprising that only 36% of the asylum applicants in Germany are Syrian.
Where are the rest from? Libya and Iraq?
The stats as laid out in the article makes it sound as if there's already more MENA migrants that arrived this year than all of last year. How is Europe not just refusing these guys entry at this point? I don't get what the end game is supposed to be here from the European perspective.
and Afghanistan, there never was a plan, it's just a million levels of bureaucracy doing random shit
It seems to be not very profitable in the long run to play those kind of hands. - Gus Hansen
On July 25 2016 08:59 Spitfiree wrote:
You should be observing crime levels not levels of blowing themselves up. It's not like we can compare them though cause I doubt there s a legit statistics about that.
Also which other region in the world sleeps under the sound of drones for years now, would you mind pointing that out ?
The only problem with islam is that its followers are mostly uneducated and they are following it blindly. If you follow christianity blindly it would be close to the same, women for example would be considered slightly better than animals.
Unlike you I acknowledge all the factors leading to these phenomenon, so yes of course Drones are a huge factor, but so is Islam, that is the fundamental flaw in your argument, your irrationally refuse to reckon that Islam is part of the equation.
Yes of course the difference between muslims and christians is how "serious" they take their religion, most Christians dont really give a fuck about the bible, I've been arguing since the start of thread like these that both religions when it comes to holy books are equally awful.
You are right about contemporary Christians being Christians only in name. But completely wrong since if they became fundamentalist Christians then they would have to forsake all of their sins including murder and rebellion.
On July 25 2016 08:59 Spitfiree wrote:
You should be observing crime levels not levels of blowing themselves up. It's not like we can compare them though cause I doubt there s a legit statistics about that.
Also which other region in the world sleeps under the sound of drones for years now, would you mind pointing that out ?
The only problem with islam is that its followers are mostly uneducated and they are following it blindly. If you follow christianity blindly it would be close to the same, women for example would be considered slightly better than animals.
Unlike you I acknowledge all the factors leading to these phenomenon, so yes of course Drones are a huge factor, but so is Islam, that is the fundamental flaw in your argument, your irrationally refuse to reckon that Islam is part of the equation.
Yes of course the difference between muslims and christians is how "serious" they take their religion, most Christians dont really give a fuck about the bible, I've been arguing since the start of thread like these that both religions when it comes to holy books are equally awful.
You are right about contemporary Christians being Christians only in name. But completely wrong since if they became fundamentalist Christians then they would have to forsake all of their sins including murder and rebellion.
No, we had our times when Christians actually followed their holy book, it was called the Dark Ages and the inquisition.
yeah yeah... just like real muslims doesnt kill others, therefore ISIS isnt muslims right? you will either engage in a discussion about the brutal verses of the bible or you will quit that bullshit "true Scotsman" fallacy argument.
A priest just got his throat slit by radical islamists in front of his congregation while doing mass. (according to initial reports)
I'm not making any new threads about this shit anymore since nothing fruitful comes out of it anyway.
On July 25 2016 08:59 Spitfiree wrote:
You should be observing crime levels not levels of blowing themselves up. It's not like we can compare them though cause I doubt there s a legit statistics about that.
Also which other region in the world sleeps under the sound of drones for years now, would you mind pointing that out ?
The only problem with islam is that its followers are mostly uneducated and they are following it blindly. If you follow christianity blindly it would be close to the same, women for example would be considered slightly better than animals.
Unlike you I acknowledge all the factors leading to these phenomenon, so yes of course Drones are a huge factor, but so is Islam, that is the fundamental flaw in your argument, your irrationally refuse to reckon that Islam is part of the equation.
Yes of course the difference between muslims and christians is how "serious" they take their religion, most Christians dont really give a fuck about the bible, I've been arguing since the start of thread like these that both religions when it comes to holy books are equally awful.
You kind of contradict yourself, but nevermind.
Regardless of that its pointless to even discuss if Islam is a huge factor or not, either way its present and here to stay and its not like u can eradicate or ban it, cause then you put the values of the modern day society in the trash bin ( you would hurt more innocents than actual terrorist, and im sorry, but people that would choose security over freedom, do indeed deserve neither, as cliche as it is, I know that you in particular think the same way )
The solutions must work around it, and thats the biggest problem with radical thinking like ban refugees and stop immigration and blah blah. It would simply be a waste of resources to even try it.
If politicians gave a fuck they would've already completely crushed ISIS with a ground operation, however that will not happen since it would kill a huge weapons market. Nobody gives a fuck about values, not politicians, not ISIS, its all about the money. How long do you think it ll take for NATO to completely demolish ISIS as an organization ?
Sadly you get cases of deranged individuals blowing themselves cause they are influenced by the global picture and have the wrong understanding of the situation.
Its the standard stalemate situation where the people need one thing and the politicians do the exact opposite. Mid-east is probably the biggest money making area in the world for the past 20 years. Its pointless to fight the individuals if the source of the problems stands unchanged, such time and efforts waste.
There s also the problem with Europe not knowing what the hell to do with all those people that already came. They are also here to stay, there s no way you extradite even a slight % of them. Obviously majority are normal people, however the scum that came with them could potentially force a nasty situation for everyone. Its quite surprising things didnt escalate considering the amount of terrorist acts past weeks. Or the german media might be keeping things low again, wouldnt be the first time they hide germans lighting refugee camps on fire.
Also a problem with the discussion here is that some people seem to be too " engaged" in the situation and do not view it from the outside, as a spectator which would enable them to think on a macro level. You can't think about the individual or any feelings when fixing such major crises, best case scenario would be fixing it for the 2 main majorities of the problem
On July 25 2016 12:45 nolan wrote:
Kind of surprising that only 36% of the asylum applicants in Germany are Syrian.
Where are the rest from? Libya and Iraq?
The stats as laid out in the article makes it sound as if there's already more MENA migrants that arrived this year than all of last year. How is Europe not just refusing these guys entry at this point? I don't get what the end game is supposed to be here from the European perspective.
On July 25 2016 08:59 Spitfiree wrote:
You should be observing crime levels not levels of blowing themselves up. It's not like we can compare them though cause I doubt there s a legit statistics about that.
Also which other region in the world sleeps under the sound of drones for years now, would you mind pointing that out ?
The only problem with islam is that its followers are mostly uneducated and they are following it blindly. If you follow christianity blindly it would be close to the same, women for example would be considered slightly better than animals.
Unlike you I acknowledge all the factors leading to these phenomenon, so yes of course Drones are a huge factor, but so is Islam, that is the fundamental flaw in your argument, your irrationally refuse to reckon that Islam is part of the equation.
Yes of course the difference between muslims and christians is how "serious" they take their religion, most Christians dont really give a fuck about the bible, I've been arguing since the start of thread like these that both religions when it comes to holy books are equally awful.
You are right about contemporary Christians being Christians only in name. But completely wrong since if they became fundamentalist Christians then they would have to forsake all of their sins including murder and rebellion.
No, we had our times when Christians actually followed their holy book, it was called the Dark Ages and the inquisition.
yeah yeah... just like real muslims doesnt kill others, therefore ISIS isnt muslims right? you will either engage in a discussion about the brutal verses of the bible or you will quit that bullshit "true Scotsman" fallacy argument.
Once again the roman catholic church is a front for the dying roman empire nothing to do with Christianity during the dark ages they banned the bible and confiscated everything to keep for themselves in their library.
Christianity is not about the church and Jesus warned about it many times. In 1604 the most accurate translation of the bible KJV was translated.
Let's look at some of the direct opposition the pagan romans have with Christianity: Worshipping Mary they worship her because they worship the goddess Semiramis, Isis etc. They have statues and worship them. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Incense, candles and even the chalice and scepter are used all they need is a sword for the complete set ready to conjure up demons. Checkerboard floor obvious occult references, columns everywhere, obelisks everywhere list goes on.
They call their priests father And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. No where in the bible is it taught to confess to a priest in fact the New Testament makes it so that you don't even need priests.
It is a practice of blasphemy. In your own country they offer food to the spirits and worship some skull lady.
What you do not seem to understand is that the Old Testament is a theocracy for the people of Israel living thousands of years ago those laws were to protect and bring about the Messiah. Those laws apply to Christians only when repeated in the New Testament
We will see what the fruits of a secular world post 1950 will be like I wouldn't get your hopes up it's looking like the age of the Jezebel.
2 Timothy 3King James Version (KJV)
3 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as their's also was.
10 But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience,
11 Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me.
12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
its pointless to even discuss if Islam is a huge factor or not, either way its present and here to stay and its not like u can eradicate or ban it, cause then you put the values of the modern day society in the trash bin ( you would hurt more innocents than actual terrorist, and im sorry, but people that would choose security over freedom, do indeed deserve neither, as cliche as it is, I know that you in particular think the same way )
The solutions must work around it, and thats the biggest problem with radical thinking like ban refugees and stop immigration and blah blah. It would simply be a waste of resources to even try it.
this so much.
You can either stir shit up or try to make things work. Pragmatism could also lead a sane person to try to distort aspects of the truth, for example when debating if Islam is a religion of peace or not. Well guess what, muslims aren't going anywhere and instead of pointing fingers and alienating them perhaps it's better if they actually thought it is. Then their kids might become atheists or believe in a watered down version of their religion or whatever.
It's a bit frustrating to see people only remember intellectual honesty when it suits an agenda of stirring shit up. So much anti-pc talk and anger about politicians misrepresenting the situation... Face it, the atheistic pov is completely irrelevant to most people around the world and politicians lie for a living, these are facts; we aren't teens to believe we're going to argue our way out of the surrounding religious folklore infesting the world, these things change slowly. Modernity will shrink the barbarity away until every blood thirsty savage transforms into a harmless new age bs eater or better. Well, maybe it won't if everyone does what's required to start a war of sorts.
I guess my point is, it really doesn't seem wise to try to make two contrasting religious worlds clash head on
new shit has come to light... a-and... shit! man...
Regardless of that its pointless to even discuss if Islam is a huge factor or not, either way its present and here to stay and its not like u can eradicate or ban it, cause then you put the values of the modern day society in the trash bin ( you would hurt more innocents than actual terrorist, and im sorry, but people that would choose security over freedom, do indeed deserve neither, as cliche as it is, I know that you in particular think the same way )
The solutions must work around it, and thats the biggest problem with radical thinking like ban refugees and stop immigration and blah blah. It would simply be a waste of resources to even try it.
It does mater to acknowledge it, if you dont know the causes of a problems odds are that you will chose the wrong solution, I absolutely agree that no freedoms should be given away in exchange for temporal safety, I disagree that you cant do nothing about immigration, obviously you cant just stop it, but you can have a reasonable policy and a filter that of course would be very fallible but better than opening the floodgates to millions.
If politicians gave a fuck they would've already completely crushed ISIS with a ground operation, however that will not happen since it would kill a huge weapons market. Nobody gives a fuck about values, not politicians, not ISIS, its all about the money. How long do you think it ll take for NATO to completely demolish ISIS as an organization ?
Well I dont know about that, while I dont doubt a thing like that is possible, I also think eliminating a big terrorist cell isnt an easy task military wise, its not just like bomb X, they are tightly entangled with civilians, military action has rarely destroyed terrorist cells actually it has done the opposite. I would assume the truth lies in the middle, with many people actually wanting to destroy ISIS but not able to and many people simply pursuing personal gains there.
There s also the problem with Europe not knowing what the hell to do with all those people that already came. They are also here to stay, there s no way you extradite even a slight % of them. Obviously majority are normal people, however the scum that came with them could potentially force a nasty situation for everyone. Its quite surprising things didnt escalate considering the amount of terrorist acts past weeks. Or the german media might be keeping things low again, wouldnt be the first time they hide germans lighting refugee camps on fire.
Indeed that is a problem that cannot be reversed, mass deportation would cause mayhem, thats is why the problem must be acknowledged, so politicians like Merkel dont keep turning a blind eye against these issues causes these irreversible problems, so now Europe has no choice but to try to "westernize" their middle eastern immigrants, I think Isolating them and would be a huge mistake, like those cheap Ghettos Sweden is building for muslims I think that is a perfect recepee to cause fanaticism and hatred.
Once again the roman catholic church is a front for the dying roman empire nothing to do with Christianity
True Scotsman fallacy once again, you dont get to define who are and who arent real christians, Catholics would say the same about you, its the same thing muslims do over and over.
Let's look at some of the direct opposition the pagan romans have with Christianity: Worshipping Mary they worship her because they worship the goddess Semiramis, Isis etc. They have statues and worship them. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Incense, candles and even the chalice and scepter are used all they need is a sword for the complete set ready to conjure up demons. Checkerboard floor obvious occult references, columns everywhere, obelisks everywhere list goes on.
They call their priests father And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. No where in the bible is it taught to confess to a priest in fact the New Testament makes it so that you don't even need priests.
It is a practice of blasphemy. In your own country they offer food to the spirits and worship some skull lady.
Yes and Mormons think Jesus leaves in a distant planet, and born against Christians think rapture is coming and the earth is 6,000 years old and guess what? all of them are also Christians
Oh the food to spirits part is a tradition that precedes Christianity in Mexico, and the "skull lady" is worshiped by cartels and criminals and yes they also qualify as Christians.
What you do not seem to understand is that the Old Testament is a theocracy for the people of Israel living thousands of years ago those laws were to protect and bring about the Messiah. Those laws apply to Christians only when repeated in the New Testament
So you are saying that the Old Testament is indeed the world of god, but that it no longer applies, you are saying Jesus (who is the same person as Yaweh) commanded people to kill their children if they disrespected them, to kill non-believers, that he killed people by whims?
That is the morality of your god? a petty, jealous murderer?
I disagree that you cant do nothing about immigration, obviously you cant just stop it, but you can have a reasonable policy and a filter that of course would be very fallible but better than opening the floodgates to millions.
Sadly, its basically up to Bulgaria and Greece and neither has anywhere near the resources needed to deal with such crisis. Only way would be an outside help, don't know about Greece, but about Bulgaria it would mean the military personel of the USA which s probably a few thousand that is here to be placed on the borders, however the USA has nothing to do with this crisis so I doubt they ll do anything about it, plus those soldiers are here for another reason and not to babysit our border.
The guy that suicided in Ansbach spent 6 months here after an extradition, but obviously still managed to get to Germany and he s not even the first case.
From a military point of view Europe is basically defenseless, thats the whole idea behind NATO, to have the USA protect our borders, except the USA has already pointed it out countless times that a great amount of time has passed since WW2 so maybe.. just maybe its about time the EU does something about their military force, there were big budget cuts on Europe defence and it was a reasonable one. Its not supposed to be the USA's job to be protecting the continent. Especially not that many decades later.
The whole situation in Europe is pretty fucked on so many levels right now, with EU being unstable, UK leaving the EU, immigrant crisis, constant acts of terrorism, Turkey becoming a totalitarian state after that sociopath most likely staged the coup d'etat, Black Sea struggle for control between the USA and Russia ... and well Russia being Russia. I'm guessing most people in charge don't even know where to start from at this point
Once again the roman catholic church is a front for the dying roman empire nothing to do with Christianity
True Scotsman fallacy once again, you dont get to define who are and who arent real christians, Catholics would say the same about you, its the same thing muslims do over and over.
Let's look at some of the direct opposition the pagan romans have with Christianity: Worshipping Mary they worship her because they worship the goddess Semiramis, Isis etc. They have statues and worship them. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Incense, candles and even the chalice and scepter are used all they need is a sword for the complete set ready to conjure up demons. Checkerboard floor obvious occult references, columns everywhere, obelisks everywhere list goes on.
They call their priests father And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. No where in the bible is it taught to confess to a priest in fact the New Testament makes it so that you don't even need priests.
It is a practice of blasphemy. In your own country they offer food to the spirits and worship some skull lady.
Yes and Mormons think Jesus leaves in a distant planet, and born against Christians think rapture is coming and the earth is 6,000 years old and guess what? all of them are also Christians
Oh the food to spirits part is a tradition that precedes Christianity in Mexico, and the "skull lady" is worshiped by cartels and criminals and yes they also qualify as Christians.
What you do not seem to understand is that the Old Testament is a theocracy for the people of Israel living thousands of years ago those laws were to protect and bring about the Messiah. Those laws apply to Christians only when repeated in the New Testament
So you are saying that the Old Testament is indeed the world of god, but that it no longer applies, you are saying Jesus (who is the same person as Yaweh) commanded people to kill their children if they disrespected them, to kill non-believers, that he killed people by whims?
That is the morality of your god? a petty, jealous murderer?
No I can't decide but the bible does.
Titus 1:16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.
Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
I will not watch a 1hr video of stupidity, discuss it yourself.
Also why do you quote the bible to me? The whole argument is that the bible is a a book written by ignorant men in ancient times that holds no moral value whatsoever arguing by quoting it is a circular argument.
