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RiKD    United States. Aug 31 2016 20:17. Posts 5577

One thing on the Aubrey de Grey + Existentialism:

Aubrey argued the problem with the existential angst crowd was that they were uneducated on the opportunities in life. Not only would the Debbie Downers not want to live 1,000 years they would not want to live another 1 moment - 50 years. Is the Debbie Downer position fixed with education?

I was thinking about good existence education for anyone would include plays from Becket, work from Sartre, I am not that familiar with Cioran or Camus but perhaps them as well. Perhaps literature from Joyce. I am partial to the Russians Tolstoy, Gogol, Dostoevsky. Nabokov. Martin Amis. Make sure to have a basis in ethics. So, I thought that was an interesting start and also an interesting question. What would a college curriculum or private bootcamp include if the topic was how to live life to the fullest?

It got me thinking about how I think a lot of people perceive the existential stuff to be negative. I always found it to be a quite jarring look on how not to look at life or at least the ability to peer into a literary existence and glean wisdom. I think people think of Sartre as some miserable guy that was just locked up in his apartment smoking cigarettes cursing his existence. Perhaps he was at times and perhaps when he was a prisoner of war to the German army that that existence was shitty. Perhaps a lot of his writing is based on the insight he gained from that experience. On the other hand, I have heard anecdotes of jovial life in the Cafe Flore. An invigorating partnership with Simone de Beauvoir. Basically, totally livin' as his authentic self. Very little acting if at all. Good acceptance of his existing self. Not chasing the lacked. Maybe working on some lacking if it made sense to do so. Minuscule Bad Faith. Rich, full, authentic life. Loco, I believe you have spoken of Cioran's full life as well. This is all inspiring stuff. Man, I am really having the urge to get back into some "Being and Nothingness" and Cioran. So much gold, platinum, diamonds, iron, et all. Et alll. Not all but more than just others. A lot of others. Quality others.

 Last edit: 31/08/2016 21:28

RiKD    United States. Aug 31 2016 20:44. Posts 5577

"The Man Who Sleeps," "Teorama," "Stalker," and "Persona" would be 4 great existentialist themed films to crack into. That is my curated list of a list Loco curated: But some of my personal absolute favorites are Persona, Teorema, Stalker, The Man Who Sleeps, The Tenant, Naked, Four Nights of a Dreamer, I Stand Alone, Vivre sa Vie and The Devil Probably. YouTube and Apple did not carry all of the films and I do not use torrents.


RiKD    United States. Aug 31 2016 21:20. Posts 5577

Loco,

What would be a recommended study of Cioran? Start with "The Trouble with Being Born" or "The History of Decay" or something else?


Loco   Canada. Sep 01 2016 02:06. Posts 19940

"The Trouble with Being Born" is more accessible. "A Short History of Decay" is the better work of the two, but it's a difficult read. The first being only aphorisms while the other is a collection of short essays on different subjects. It really depends in which way you want to read him. Aphorisms are better read in small doses, they are "truths of the moment" which invite more reflection than reading from you. I'd recommend keeping the aphorism books on your nightstand and reading a few of aphorisms before bed and thinking on them. The mini essays can be read more extensively, just as you would read something else, but they are difficult to grasp if you do not know much about his general thought and influences. For someone who is very familiar with Nietzsche and adores his style, I'd probably recommend "On the Heights of Despair" as an introduction. It's quite different from his mature works, but it's very engaging.

Those who make a peaceful revolution impossible, will make a violent revolution inevitable.Last edit: 01/09/2016 10:37

Loco   Canada. Sep 01 2016 03:08. Posts 19940


  On August 31 2016 19:44 RiKD wrote:
"The Man Who Sleeps," "Teorama," "Stalker," and "Persona" would be 4 great existentialist themed films to crack into. That is my curated list of a list Loco curated: But some of my personal absolute favorites are Persona, Teorema, Stalker, The Man Who Sleeps, The Tenant, Naked, Four Nights of a Dreamer, I Stand Alone, Vivre sa Vie and The Devil Probably. YouTube and Apple did not carry all of the films and I do not use torrents.



I shall update this list at some point. Funny, this came out today. Lol'd @ 1:30.


Those who make a peaceful revolution impossible, will make a violent revolution inevitable.Last edit: 01/09/2016 03:09

Baalim   Mexico. Sep 01 2016 09:11. Posts 32897


  On August 31 2016 07:19 Loco wrote:
He laughed and said, "it's fine, ducks don't have feelings anyway."



come on, who was he and why the fuck wasnt I invited? was this before I was Team Pro?

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Loco   Canada. Sep 01 2016 10:24. Posts 19940


  On September 01 2016 08:11 Baalim wrote:
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come on, who was he and why the fuck wasnt I invited? was this before I was Team Pro?


Pretty sure it was before, yeah. You weren't at this PCA in 2010. We had a couple dinners and this one was with Mez, Fayth, TimDawg and me, along with this asian guy and his girlfriend. I don't remember his name. All I remember is he used to play StarCraft and Fayth knew him.

Those who make a peaceful revolution impossible, will make a violent revolution inevitable. 

RiKD    United States. Sep 02 2016 05:14. Posts 5577

I have some whole food, plant based diet questions:

What/how are people eating across a day?

Hemp seed protein powder smoothies?

As one can see I am worried about how people get protein. It is a bias that will be tough to beat after a lifetime of programming. I am much more secure in myself and much more awake but I just know, for example, if I have a tough training session my first instinct is to obsess about protein. I would absolutely love to get to the point where I am just eating a whole food, plant based diet and feeling great and not even thinking about protein.

Are there any studies on groups that only ate wild meat sources? What if all the data that links to illness is for groups that consume farm inc. cows, chickens, pigs?

What about tofu? What's the deal with tofu?

What I really would like to avoid is anything deriving from the corn and soybean industrial complex. Cows, chickens, pigs. Processed corn and soybean stuff. It is time to work towards ending this madness.

Anything else that newbie whole food, plant based diet eaters might want to know?

Supplements?

 Last edit: 02/09/2016 18:13

RogerWallace   United States. Sep 02 2016 10:42. Posts 1

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Mortensen8   Chad. Sep 02 2016 18:07. Posts 1761

Loco the answer is not veganism to simply present veganism as the answer to the worlds problems is not truth. The truth is that modern agriculture in the long term destroys the soil and the land. The real problem is not cow farts it is chemicals and shit poisoning all of nature. When Eyjafjallajøkull erupted it created as much as Europe has for the last 40 years. They will just use global warming as a tax scam the real problem is civilization and materialism that is destroying nature. The variation in weather is natural during the viking age it was much warmer than today.

Even if we only did organic farming it would first of all not be enough to feed anything close to the ever expanding world population yes it would be better for us health wise but it still causes problems for the soil because they still use copper and shit and plow the fields. The real solution is perma culture.
The real solution is a collapse of modernity.



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RiKD    United States. Sep 02 2016 18:11. Posts 5577

A quick search found this Dr. John McDougall 10-day meal plan. Looks promising:

https://www.drmcdougall.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/McDougall-Mealplan-Recipes.pdf

I am still afraid of tofu. Will it not lower testosterone and cause man boobs? I still have all sorts of bro science that I need debunked.

The only supplements right now are 2,000 ius of vitamin d because I do not get out in the sun enough and 3g of fish oil because I was just about doing that anyways and Dr. Dean Ornish recommended 3g of fish oil.


Mortensen8   Chad. Sep 02 2016 18:17. Posts 1761

Don't eat that shit I don't care what the vegans say I stay away from soy look at Asians for proof. You are already bombarded with estrogen in all of your food and water supply. Eat more cruciferous vegetables. Don't buy into some fancy guy with a phd just aim for natural in as many ways as you can. If I was you I'd start collecting rain water because you are fucked water supply wise.

Rear naked woke 

Mortensen8   Chad. Sep 02 2016 18:29. Posts 1761

If your going to go for veganism you need to make your own kimchi, sauerkraut etc. without all the shit they usually add which kills the bacteria.

Rear naked woke 

cariadon   Estonia. Sep 02 2016 20:00. Posts 4008


  On September 02 2016 04:14 RiKD wrote:
I have some whole food, plant based diet questions:

What/how are people eating across a day?

Hemp seed protein powder smoothies?

As one can see I am worried about how people get protein. It is a bias that will be tough to beat after a lifetime of programming. I am much more secure in myself and much more awake but I just know, for example, if I have a tough training session my first instinct is to obsess about protein. I would absolutely love to get to the point where I am just eating a whole food, plant based diet and feeling great and not even thinking about protein.

Are there any studies on groups that only ate wild meat sources? What if all the data that links to illness is for groups that consume farm inc. cows, chickens, pigs?

What about tofu? What's the deal with tofu?

What I really would like to avoid is anything deriving from the corn and soybean industrial complex. Cows, chickens, pigs. Processed corn and soybean stuff. It is time to work towards ending this madness.

Anything else that newbie whole food, plant based diet eaters might want to know?

Supplements?



What the hell? Studies show that people have been eating meat for a long time. The fuck is your problem with protein? One of the three macronutrients. They are called macronutrients because you need quite a lot of them in the diet. Eat healthy and stop supplementing. Such backward thinking. Prepare your own meals, you'll learn a lot. Learn to cook and you'll see things from a totally different perspective.


jeremy5408   United States. Sep 02 2016 20:24. Posts 122

Your recommendation of "eat healthy" comes with zero examples on how to actually achieve that.

As for supplementation, I don't think it's so necessary to have an anti-supplementation stance. While I do my best to eat a variety of foods prepared at home, there are just some micronutrients such as Vit D that I can not get "naturally."


jeremy5408   United States. Sep 02 2016 20:47. Posts 122


  On September 02 2016 04:14 RiKD wrote:+ Show Spoiler +



Supplements?




hey man, glad to see that you are experimenting too. i also recently swapped to a plant based diet (about 2 months) and had similar concerns. vegetarians/vegans seem adamant that one can reach all their protein macro requirements through a plant based diet and i think it's true for more people. powerlifting is a hobby of mine and i have been chasing a 1300 pound total for a while. i don't even think i consume that much protein in comparison to most of my friends/competitors. i only shoot for about .75-.85g/lbs vs 1.0g+/lbs that most go for. but even with a lower protein target amount it's impossible for me to hit that mark without supplementing protein powder. fwiw i eat beans, lentils, chickpeas every day and am pretty happy about it. i miss meat way less than i thought i would interestingly enough.

if you are looking for advice, i would say try to get rid of the notion that you have to hit the ground running perfectly and have perfectly vegetarian/vegan meals all at once. there is a learning curve and it does take time. and food is so intertwined with who you are from a familial and cultural sense. i think alot of the difficulty stems from those mental hurdles. chickpea/lentil currys were the easiest way for me to get started.


Mortensen8   Chad. Sep 02 2016 20:59. Posts 1761


  On September 02 2016 19:47 jeremy5408 wrote:
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hey man, glad to see that you are experimenting too. i also recently swapped to a plant based diet (about 2 months) and had similar concerns. vegetarians/vegans seem adamant that one can reach all their protein macro requirements through a plant based diet and i think it's true for more people. powerlifting is a hobby of mine and i have been chasing a 1300 pound total for a while. i don't even think i consume that much protein in comparison to most of my friends/competitors. i only shoot for about .75-.85g/lbs vs 1.0g+/lbs that most go for. but even with a lower protein target amount it's impossible for me to hit that mark without supplementing protein powder. fwiw i eat beans, lentils, chickpeas every day and am pretty happy about it. i miss meat way less than i thought i would interestingly enough.

if you are looking for advice, i would say try to get rid of the notion that you have to hit the ground running perfectly and have perfectly vegetarian/vegan meals all at once. there is a learning curve and it does take time. and food is so intertwined with who you are from a familial and cultural sense. i think alot of the difficulty stems from those mental hurdles. chickpea/lentil currys were the easiest way for me to get started.


You only need around 100g a day you can do it with a plant based diet. The bodybuilders that are going for insane amounts of protein are probably damaging their bodies. I think the liver has to work much harder but not sure.

Rear naked woke 

RiKD    United States. Sep 02 2016 23:34. Posts 5577


Loco   Canada. Sep 03 2016 00:16. Posts 19940


  On September 02 2016 17:11 RiKD wrote:
A quick search found this Dr. John McDougall 10-day meal plan. Looks promising:

https://www.drmcdougall.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/McDougall-Mealplan-Recipes.pdf

I am still afraid of tofu. Will it not lower testosterone and cause man boobs? I still have all sorts of bro science that I need debunked.

The only supplements right now are 2,000 ius of vitamin d because I do not get out in the sun enough and 3g of fish oil because I was just about doing that anyways and Dr. Dean Ornish recommended 3g of fish oil.



How can you be so concerned with phytoestrogens found in soybeans when you consume actual mammalian estrogen from dairy products without concern? Do you think you are more closely related to a soybean than a cow? Soybeans have been used and enjoyed in Asia for thousands of years. They're a nutritional powerhouse like all other legumes, which are at the center of the diet of every single Blue Zone for a reason. Whole and fermented soy products are best, but tofu is fine. It's minimally processed, and remains very nutritious. I'm not aware of any reputable studies that show a link between man boobs and soy consumption. A lot of that comes from misinformation campaigns that were done by the Weston A. Price Foundation. Reputable health organizations usually state that the evidence shows that this is not true and that there's in fact a lot of evidence suggesting that they may in fact reduce the risk of certain cancers. The only potential problem with soy is when you eat processed soy products, as they will raise IGF-1 levels just like animal protein does. Eating too much soy will also do that, but that's very difficult to do, we're talking about somewhere between 6 to 10 servings a day (one serving is about the size of a pack of cards).

In his most recent video, Dr. Greger says about the Paleo diet, "I’m all for condemning the Standard American Diet’s refined carbs, “nonhuman mammalian milk,” and junk foods, but proscribing legumes is a mistake. As I’ve noted before, beans, split peas, chickpeas, and lentils may be the most important dietary predictor of survival. Beans and whole grains are the dietary cornerstones of the longest living populations on Earth. Plant-based diets in general, and legumes in particular, are a common thread among longevity Blue Zones around the world."

As for fish oil, every plant-based doctor that I know of except Ornish recommend to avoid them. Ornish's mentor did a lot of work in this area and he adopted his recommendation decades ago, and I think he's been lagging behind with the science. Ornish was the first person to prove that coronary artery disease was reversible, but Dr. Esselstyn proved that the fish oil had nothing to do with Ornish's results by getting the same kind of stastically significant results with a 100% whole-foods plant-based diet. That said, there's been a lot of research in this area and a lot of debate over the years on whether or not long-chain omega-3 supplements provide cardiovascular disease prevention. The latest meta-analysis show that they do not. From my understanding, what fish oil will do though is thin the blood, which means that if you're at risk of a heart attack or a stroke due to poor diet and lifestyle choices, it can reduce your risk of one. But then you're also increasing your risk of death if say you were in a car crash and started bleeding out. Not a very effective strategy, especially since you're not addressing the root cause of the problem. But there is a good amount of evidence that they could be beneficial for our brain. So, the WFPB doctors who recommend EPA/DHA for the brain recommend that you take algae-derived supplements, since they are completely pollutant free. Remember that fish accumulate but do not synthesize EPA/DHA, only plants do, and so you're just cutting the middleman and going to the source instead which is much cleaner, but of course also more expensive. Recently, I've seen Ornish also recommending this option on his Facebook page.

Those who make a peaceful revolution impossible, will make a violent revolution inevitable.Last edit: 03/09/2016 01:57

Loco   Canada. Sep 03 2016 00:39. Posts 19940

Can any of you guys who are worried about protein deficiency on a plant-based diet do me a favor? Head over to https://cronometer.com/ and try devising a diet that is sufficient in calories but deficient in protein. Try putting any combination of any whole plant foods you can think of in there, or even any single plant food. Just make sure that whatever you put in there meets your energy needs (probably 2000 calories minimum). Report back with your findings. I'd be impressed if you can design one that has a bit less than 100% of the RDA (which wouldn't even cause a protein deficiency).

Also, please go on PubMed and find me one single medically documented case in the entire medical literature of someone with a protein deficiency who 1) didn't have some rare defect/disease and 2) was eating a calorie-sufficient diet which contained any whole/natural foods in some significant quantity.

If you can't devise such a diet or find such a case, then that should tell you that our protein needs are pretty low, right? If you understand that but you are concerned with needing extra protein for building muscle, then just eat more of the high protein foods. It's not that complicated. Doing some protein shakes is easy. Or you can also buy TSP or TVP which is just defatted soybeans, so it's incredibly protein-dense. Can be added to a lot of different meals. Just go look for what vegan bodybuilders eat if you need more ideas. Recently there was a lot of talk about Kendrick Yahcob Farris because he was the only male US weightlifter in the olympics and he's vegan (and he also broke a US record two years after he had become a vegan). Maybe look up his diet? http://vegnews.com/articles/page.do?pageId=8210&catId=1

Those who make a peaceful revolution impossible, will make a violent revolution inevitable.Last edit: 03/09/2016 04:29

 
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