US police shootings - Page 3

It's interesting how you bring up paintball, as I play paintball. That moment when you decide to take a window of opportunity and bunker someone is pretty exhilarating. Every instinct says to just maintain your position and wait for him instead, but experience and gut tells you "if i time this right and go now, I could win the match". It's an extremely high risk high reward strategy. The decision to do this with live ammunition is pretty amazing to be honest. The black guy has a clear advantage, he could easily just stay put, keep exchanging fire and hope for a better shot, possibly even land one when the officer posts out. Nope, no guts not glory here, and he goes for it.

The police in the US are good dudes for the most part. People who think they're trigger happy and brutal, idk where you're getting that info from but it's just not true. You guys in Europe get some weird propaganda about what things are like in the US. There's corruption at the highest levels but those are the guys who sit in offices. The ones that are out on the streets are 99%+ solid guys.

Please don't use paintball / airsoft or anything that resambles that to analyze this, because it isn't even remotely close to a real situation with real ammunition where your life is in danger.

we probably have one of the worst police force in the world, next only to federales lol
cops here feel like they're scamming you if you need anything from them, they wont kill u though

On July 09 2016 18:50 Raidern wrote: Please don't use paintball / airsoft or anything that resambles that to analyze this, because it isn't even remotely close to a real situation with real ammunition where your life is in danger.

Except that we are using the analogy to say how fucking skilled that move was.


I also play paintball and most novice people arent mobile and keep hiding behind stuff and its standard to rush them and it works every time even when there are other enemies in other angles, but doing this in a real life scenario is crazy and as we speculated the guy had extensive military background.

On July 09 2016 16:05 SleepyHead wrote: The police in the US are good dudes for the most part. People who think they're trigger happy and brutal, idk where you're getting that info from but it's just not true. You guys in Europe get some weird propaganda about what things are like in the US. There's corruption at the highest levels but those are the guys who sit in offices. The ones that are out on the streets are 99%+ solid guys.

The fuck are you talking about, the US has the most brutal police in the entire 1st world.

Of course many cops are great guys who are not trigger happy and not brutal, the problem is that they cover up for shitty cops, they dont expose the rotten apples, they protect them as a "family" like they call themselves this makes people to hate the cops justifiably so.

If the police threw those murdering cops to the dogs people would have no quarrel, but even to date they keep defending those murders caught on tape and I can only imagine the shit that goes down that is not recorded and that never got any punishment in the past decades

On July 09 2016 23:30 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On July 09 2016 16:05 SleepyHead wrote: The police in the US are good dudes for the most part. People who think they're trigger happy and brutal, idk where you're getting that info from but it's just not true. You guys in Europe get some weird propaganda about what things are like in the US. There's corruption at the highest levels but those are the guys who sit in offices. The ones that are out on the streets are 99%+ solid guys. The fuck are you talking about, the US has the most brutal police in the entire 1st world. Of course many cops are great guys who are not trigger happy and not brutal, the problem is that they cover up for shitty cops, they dont expose the rotten apples, they protect them as a "family" like they call themselves this makes people to hate the cops justifiably so. If the police threw those murdering cops to the dogs people would have no quarrel, but even to date they keep defending those murders caught on tape and I can only imagine the shit that goes down that is not recorded and that never got any punishment in the past decades

you clearly have never been to Russia

Yeah I guess Russia wins the cake. From the outside we tend to see american police in a worse moral position simply because american politicians and press always stress the fact America is the land of freedom and fighting for justice. From a practical standpoint USA don't have the most corrupted and incompetent police corps, yet the hypocrisy makes every bad thing stand out way more.

At least your police has security in their job, unlike ours which by law would have to pull out the same weapon as the attacker. Example: He attacks you with a chainsaw, you cant pull out a gun and shoot him in the leg to immobilize him. There are plenty of cases of fired policemen, cause they did such things.

That being said, a line should be drawn somewhere and thats not an easy thing to do. Security leads to brutality, lack of security leads to corruption, there will always be cops who lack moral.
Well what i mean is, if they start pushing out rotten apples, I bet a lot of decent guys will get swallowed by the witch hunt as well.

On July 10 2016 13:34 TimDawg wrote: Show nested quote + On July 09 2016 23:30 Baalim wrote:   On July 09 2016 16:05 SleepyHead wrote: The police in the US are good dudes for the most part. People who think they're trigger happy and brutal, idk where you're getting that info from but it's just not true. You guys in Europe get some weird propaganda about what things are like in the US. There's corruption at the highest levels but those are the guys who sit in offices. The ones that are out on the streets are 99%+ solid guys. The fuck are you talking about, the US has the most brutal police in the entire 1st world. Of course many cops are great guys who are not trigger happy and not brutal, the problem is that they cover up for shitty cops, they dont expose the rotten apples, they protect them as a "family" like they call themselves this makes people to hate the cops justifiably so. If the police threw those murdering cops to the dogs people would have no quarrel, but even to date they keep defending those murders caught on tape and I can only imagine the shit that goes down that is not recorded and that never got any punishment in the past decades you clearly have never been to Russia

I dont consider Russia when I talk about the 1st world lol

On July 10 2016 22:19 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On July 10 2016 13:34 TimDawg wrote:   On July 09 2016 23:30 Baalim wrote:   On July 09 2016 16:05 SleepyHead wrote: The police in the US are good dudes for the most part. People who think they're trigger happy and brutal, idk where you're getting that info from but it's just not true. You guys in Europe get some weird propaganda about what things are like in the US. There's corruption at the highest levels but those are the guys who sit in offices. The ones that are out on the streets are 99%+ solid guys. The fuck are you talking about, the US has the most brutal police in the entire 1st world. Of course many cops are great guys who are not trigger happy and not brutal, the problem is that they cover up for shitty cops, they dont expose the rotten apples, they protect them as a "family" like they call themselves this makes people to hate the cops justifiably so. If the police threw those murdering cops to the dogs people would have no quarrel, but even to date they keep defending those murders caught on tape and I can only imagine the shit that goes down that is not recorded and that never got any punishment in the past decades you clearly have never been to Russia I dont consider Russia when I talk about the 1st world lol

Lol. I overlooked that part of your post I guess

On July 10 2016 22:19 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On July 10 2016 13:34 TimDawg wrote:   On July 09 2016 23:30 Baalim wrote:   On July 09 2016 16:05 SleepyHead wrote: The police in the US are good dudes for the most part. People who think they're trigger happy and brutal, idk where you're getting that info from but it's just not true. You guys in Europe get some weird propaganda about what things are like in the US. There's corruption at the highest levels but those are the guys who sit in offices. The ones that are out on the streets are 99%+ solid guys. The fuck are you talking about, the US has the most brutal police in the entire 1st world. Of course many cops are great guys who are not trigger happy and not brutal, the problem is that they cover up for shitty cops, they dont expose the rotten apples, they protect them as a "family" like they call themselves this makes people to hate the cops justifiably so. If the police threw those murdering cops to the dogs people would have no quarrel, but even to date they keep defending those murders caught on tape and I can only imagine the shit that goes down that is not recorded and that never got any punishment in the past decades you clearly have never been to Russia I dont consider Russia when I talk about the 1st world lol

so you define the "first world" as the group of countries with less police brutality than the US and then brought us your conclusion that the US has the most brutal police out of all countries in the first world?

On July 12 2016 00:23 Santafairy wrote: Show nested quote + On July 10 2016 22:19 Baalim wrote:   On July 10 2016 13:34 TimDawg wrote:   On July 09 2016 23:30 Baalim wrote:   On July 09 2016 16:05 SleepyHead wrote: The police in the US are good dudes for the most part. People who think they're trigger happy and brutal, idk where you're getting that info from but it's just not true. You guys in Europe get some weird propaganda about what things are like in the US. There's corruption at the highest levels but those are the guys who sit in offices. The ones that are out on the streets are 99%+ solid guys. The fuck are you talking about, the US has the most brutal police in the entire 1st world. Of course many cops are great guys who are not trigger happy and not brutal, the problem is that they cover up for shitty cops, they dont expose the rotten apples, they protect them as a "family" like they call themselves this makes people to hate the cops justifiably so. If the police threw those murdering cops to the dogs people would have no quarrel, but even to date they keep defending those murders caught on tape and I can only imagine the shit that goes down that is not recorded and that never got any punishment in the past decades you clearly have never been to Russia I dont consider Russia when I talk about the 1st world lol so you define the "first world" as the group of countries with less police brutality than the US and then brought us your conclusion that the US has the most brutal police out of all countries in the first world?

I define as 1st world roughly as th US, Canada, most of europe, Japan, Australia and SouthKorea.

You dont like the world "1st world" do you want me to define it by GDP per capita then? all right the US has the most brutal police in the world in relation to its GDP per capita

You cant just randomly define it like that, is what he meant, and he s right. If a foreign relations professor sees this post he ll get brain damage. Also terms as " first, second and third world" countries doesn't exist since at least 20 years. That was invented during the Cold War for various reasons im not going to go into. I did not believe you would fall for the blind propaganda against Russia, they have absurd inner politic, but so do many other developed countries.

even though first/second/third world are outdated terms originating from the cold war, and even though that original separation of countries has significant flaws as a way of sensibly grouping countries together because it defines suriname, namibia and several other underdeveloped countries as first world, I don't see how what baal said was difficult to understand? The fact is that every 'grouping' like this, whether you wanna do 'developed vs underdeveloped' or 'west vs rest' or 'democratic vs nondemocratic' has issues, 'the west' includes obviously eastern countries like australia and new zealand. developed vs underdeveloped and democratic vs nondemocratic struggle with these not really being binary terms - and a country like russia is certainly one of the harder ones to place.

If people are not deliberately trying to be obtuse, baal's message is easily understandable and correct. Out of all countries that it is in any way natural to compare the US to, in terms of preferred values highlighted as positive, in terms of wealth, in terms of how functional society is, the US has the biggest problem with police brutality. If you want to insist that the US should compare itself to russia and then give itself a pat on the back because their police force has even bigger problems in that nature, then whatever, I personally think that this would be much dumber than using a somewhat inaccurate but mostly socially acceptable (outside political science circles) term.

The Black Lives Matter movement has become a joke. Look at the latest case that set off the most recent wave of protests. You have what clearly appears to be a justified shooting being labeled as a black man being "executed" by police. These people are blinded by their own ignorance.

On July 12 2016 14:24 Liquid`Drone wrote: even though first/second/third world are outdated terms originating from the cold war, and even though that original separation of countries has significant flaws as a way of sensibly grouping countries together because it defines suriname, namibia and several other underdeveloped countries as first world, I don't see how what baal said was difficult to understand? The fact is that every 'grouping' like this, whether you wanna do 'developed vs underdeveloped' or 'west vs rest' or 'democratic vs nondemocratic' has issues, 'the west' includes obviously eastern countries like australia and new zealand. developed vs underdeveloped and democratic vs nondemocratic struggle with these not really being binary terms - and a country like russia is certainly one of the harder ones to place. If people are not deliberately trying to be obtuse, baal's message is easily understandable and correct. Out of all countries that it is in any way natural to compare the US to, in terms of preferred values highlighted as positive, in terms of wealth, in terms of how functional society is, the US has the biggest problem with police brutality. If you want to insist that the US should compare itself to russia and then give itself a pat on the back because their police force has even bigger problems in that nature, then whatever, I personally think that this would be much dumber than using a somewhat inaccurate but mostly socially acceptable (outside political science circles) term.

exactly

Why are you two fighting me on the definition of First world country? I know its based on world war outdated propaganda, but you know perfectly what I mean, "developed countries" and if you want to include Russia in that list who gives a shit, so I suppose the US is has the worst police... besides Russia, fucking congratulations.

Now can we move on and start discussing relevant things for a change? for fucks sake.

On July 12 2016 15:02 blackjacki2 wrote: The Black Lives Matter movement has become a joke. Look at the latest case that set off the most recent wave of protests. You have what clearly appears to be a justified shooting being labeled as a black man being "executed" by police. These people are blinded by their own ignorance.

link?

On July 12 2016 23:53 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On July 12 2016 15:02 blackjacki2 wrote: The Black Lives Matter movement has become a joke. Look at the latest case that set off the most recent wave of protests. You have what clearly appears to be a justified shooting being labeled as a black man being "executed" by police. These people are blinded by their own ignorance. link?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Alton_Sterling

Cops responding to a call of someone brandishing a firearm. The suspect does indeed have a gun, disobeys lawful commands, officers unsuccessful with taser, tackle him to ground and during the struggle officer believes him to be going for his gun (which we cant see in the video if its true or not), so they use lethal force.

Oh did you see the angle from the store? he had a gun in his pocket, it wasnt out and he was in no position to be a threat, if not murder it is negligent incompetence by the cops