BadGoNe   France. Jul 05 2016 12:57. Posts 1089
Any religion is bad imo.
They were first created because people couldn't explain some stuff (science/physics). Basically because of ignorance.
Also religions have been the source/cause of many "wars". Responsible along history for the biggest number of people killed (I think?) and yet claim to be pacifist ideas...
Like Baal pointed out: Christians had their period of mass killing as well (e.g crusades and stuff). Blaming it on Islam is not correct I think. Probably blame the freaking idiots using Islam as an excuse to do their sh*t.
Would be like blaming Christianity for pedophilia because many priests got convicted for that...
That say I respect people who believe in religion, we are all free to have our own opinions and find something to drive us in life.
On July 05 2016 09:03 Spitfiree wrote:
Yeah def islam, its not like an ISIS supporter just tried to bomb a mosque at pick hour in Turkey, but got caught. After all there is a passage in the quran saying " Thou shall bomb each other during prayer to get the virgins "
The bible didnt say "Thou shall put a device that will tear witches assholes to death" yet they did it, and claiming the inquisition had nothing to do with Christianity or that the inquisitors were not true Christians is ridiculous
My point is the religion is not the main issue, that there are connections is a fact. Was pretty sure you would be the one to understand that.
On July 05 2016 09:03 Spitfiree wrote:
Yeah def islam, its not like an ISIS supporter just tried to bomb a mosque at pick hour in Turkey, but got caught. After all there is a passage in the quran saying " Thou shall bomb each other during prayer to get the virgins "
The bible didnt say "Thou shall put a device that will tear witches assholes to death" yet they did it, and claiming the inquisition had nothing to do with Christianity or that the inquisitors were not true Christians is ridiculous
My point is the religion is not the main issue, that there are connections is a fact. Was pretty sure you would be the one to understand that.
I think connection is an understatement, and what is the "main" issue is difficult to say, first what we decide as main?, surely there are a other big factors like poverty and ignorance but religion is an important factor, people who dont believe in eternal bliss after death dont throw away their lives flying planes into buildings, non-indoctrinated people dont throw gays off rooftops and dont hang apostates.
I think trying to excuse Islam for all of this is a terrible mistake, first because it empowers demagoges as its already happening, second because its dishonest only in a pathetic attempt to not offend peoples sensibilities... fuck their sensibilities, stupid ideas do not deserve respect, and religion should not be above scrutiny.
There should be a clear line drawn between radicalism and actual religion. You can't pack them all up and throw them to the wolves. I don't see how the social factors as knowledge and wealth are not the main ones. The demagogs you are referring to are not empowered by religion, they are simply using it as a weapon. You wanna fix something you, you rip out its very core, not the weapon it is using.
There is no such thing as "actual" religion, Scotsman fallacy, violent religion is also religion and there is no clear line to be drawn in Islam, a tiny minority are enrolled in terrorist cells but a majority of Muslims in the middle east have absolutely barbaric beliefs, they are in favor death penalty for apostasy, homosexuality, dishonoring family, corporal punishment for crimes etc.
The notion that Islam is peaceful and good and its only a 0.1% of extremist who ruin the reputation is false.
Do we notice the same beliefs in islam preaching societies in developed countries ?
You are right, however we have a good example of how that can be reversed. Its all about circumstances. And the politics being led until now only create even more radicals. The vicious circle must stop in order for things to have a chance to be made better.
Yeah the majority is what you described, however how do you suppose one change that? Through pure force? Obviously not working. Or through developing the society.
It worked for Christians, calling them silly, coming out with counterpoints to it's validity. Theyre actually trying it with Islam now, the results? not so good lol
Don't pretend Islam isn't worse as a religion than christianity. Christianity (not catholicism) is advocating pacifism and asceticism with the annoying 'go and PREACH to every creature'. Islam the very word means submit/surrender and advocates violence and subjugation to non believers as well as sharia law. It's a pack mentality religion that's why it still holds so much power because of its bullying nature. I mean these guys even piss off buddhists.
Catholicism is not christianity. The romans rejected christianity and never converted instead moulded it into their own. They even banned the bible. They worship idols, popes, virgin mary, 'saints' it is an occult religion masquerading as christianity same with mormons etc.
Most religions are just as they have always been a rotten power hungry structure. It doesn't mean that the actual books are worthless, though most are stupid they hold some truths.
I don't understand why all liberals are so anti-christian it is basically the same belief system except you worship the state instead of god. And you reject asceticism of course, thats probably why.
People these days may call themselves christian but they are only christians in name.
Liberals who use the argument of christianity and crusades to justify their belief that islam is not a warmonging and violent religion are braindead. This is why democracy ultimately doesn't work, you give dumb people the impression their opinion matters, and they are easy to manipulate by politicians and the lobbyists behind them. It's not even surprising, Plato predicted this situation would happen in ancient greece.
On July 06 2016 08:20 Spitfiree wrote:
Do we notice the same beliefs in islam preaching societies in developed countries ?
You are right, however we have a good example of how that can be reversed. Its all about circumstances. And the politics being led until now only create even more radicals. The vicious circle must stop in order for things to have a chance to be made better.
Yeah the majority is what you described, however how do you suppose one change that? Through pure force? Obviously not working. Or through developing the society.
I am absolutely anti-intervention and I agree 100% that warefare only creates a hotbed for extremism, I mean the results speak for themselves, terrorism is as strong as ever despises all the military efforts and its obvious.
That being said pretending Islam has not a problem, saying they are not true Muslims, saying its a 0.1% of mentally ill people is an obvious lie, Ive already talked about sharia and other things that hundreds of millions of Muslims support.
So in summary Islam is a problem, but no, bombing the shit out of the middle east is not an effective way to fight it neither is allowing them to migrate in the millions as if its not a big deal
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soberstone   United States. Jul 07 2016 04:38. Posts 2662
On July 06 2016 19:08 VanDerMeyde wrote:
Islamophobia:
On July 06 2016 17:04 Mortensen8 wrote:
Don't pretend Islam isn't worse as a religion than christianity. Christianity (not catholicism) is advocating pacifism and asceticism with the annoying 'go and PREACH to every creature'. Islam the very word means submit/surrender and advocates violence and subjugation to non believers as well as sharia law. It's a pack mentality religion that's why it still holds so much power because of its bullying nature. I mean these guys even piss off buddhists.
Apparently you are not very well versed in the bible, it is mounstrous, violent and commands the death of heretics, whores and countless of many other things and dont come with the "its the old testament" bullshit, this is an argument I have hundreds of times, you are gong to lose it.
Catholicism is not christianity. The romans rejected christianity and never converted instead moulded it into their own. They even banned the bible. They worship idols, popes, virgin mary, 'saints' it is an occult religion masquerading as christianity same with mormons etc.
Most religions are just as they have always been a rotten power hungry structure. It doesn't mean that the actual books are worthless, though most are stupid they hold some truths.
I don't understand why all liberals are so anti-christian it is basically the same belief system except you worship the state instead of god. And you reject asceticism of course, thats probably why.
People these days may call themselves christian but they are only christians in name.
Facepalm... You are exactly like liberals saying ISIS is not Muslim, Catholics are Christians it doesn't matter if they interpret the Bible different than you think it should be.
Scotsman fallacy, I thought you were smarter than this.
Holy books are literary garbage, shit philosophy written by idiots not comparable to Greek and Roman philosophy books written thousands of years before, sure they have some good parts like the christian asceticism yet it isn't a fraction of asceticism you can read in a page of Meditations by Marcus Aurelius
(they were spraying graduates with acid because they were drinking)
Yea more proof that multiculturalism is a dangerous ideology. What is the response to the oh so dangerous christianity? oh lets bring in another one just to spice things up a bit. Or should I say two because sharia don't tend to like sunni either.
No I don't read the bible I tried and got up to the point where god commands abrahams descendants to be circumsized and thought it was retarded. Would you please quote some of the 'fucked up things' because if it is just god doing the actual killing and not telling the believers of the bible to kill these people then it's not the same. I do know that monks, nuns, popes, confession booths are not in the bible. I know some basic concepts like repenting for your sins not repenting once a week to a priest you repent and then you stop sinning completely.
The catholic church is very different from lutherism I think it's worth pointing out since they are culprits of these acts carried out hundreds of years ago. That brings up another point stop living in the past because none of this is true today.
The new pope is trying to make it into a new age religion listen to what he says. Catholicism was never about the bible, but I guess it can be considered 'christianity'.
Multiculturalism is not dangerous, nothing bad will happen if you mix Danes and Japanese because they are both civil advanced cultures.
Luke 19:27:
But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.
God commands his followers to kill people for many reasons in the Bible, and people did for centuries, the difference between Christians and Muslims is that Muslims actually follow the commands of their holy book while thankfully Christians ignore them.
Fair enough but did some quick research and it appears to be a parable I think most interpret it as after death.
11 As they heard these things, he proceeded to tell a parable, because he was near to Jerusalem, and because they supposed that the kingdom of God was to appear immediately.
I think I might read the book of revelation tonight that seems like the most interesting part.
Ok here is another verse... I can post dozens of these
Deuteronomy 13:6-10King James Version (KJV)
If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers;
Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth;
But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.
And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the Lord thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.
And yeah they can interpret it as after death on the other verse in the same way Muslims justify the Qurans violent verses and claim its absolutely peaceful and anyone killing is not a true Muslim.