wow, people are retarded for bringing religion and immigration into this. There is no difference between this guy, and Virginia Tech shooter and Sandy Hook shooter and many other mass shooters. As a matter of fact doing a mass shooting with an AR15 is as American as it gets.
In US everyone is happy as long as all the prices are rising. Unless its crude oil - Marc Faber
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Santafairy Korea (South). Jun 12 2016 19:09. Posts 2225
He was a career security guard, also had a handgun, law enforcement controlled detonated something but I don't think bombing was part of it.
It seems to be not very profitable in the long run to play those kind of hands. - Gus Hansen
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Santafairy Korea (South). Jun 12 2016 19:12. Posts 2225
On June 12 2016 18:09 capaneo wrote:
wow, people are retarded for bringing religion and immigration into this. There is no difference between this guy, and Virginia Tech shooter and Sandy Hook shooter and many other mass shooters. As a matter of fact doing a mass shooting with an AR15 is as American as it gets.
He brought religion into it when he fucking called 911 and declared allegiance to ISIS
I'm sorry he didn't use a more foreign looking gun (?) to make it easier for you to realize the issue here
It seems to be not very profitable in the long run to play those kind of hands. - Gus Hansen
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soberstone United States. Jun 12 2016 19:28. Posts 2662
On June 12 2016 18:09 capaneo wrote:
wow, people are retarded for bringing religion and immigration into this. There is no difference between this guy, and Virginia Tech shooter and Sandy Hook shooter and many other mass shooters. As a matter of fact doing a mass shooting with an AR15 is as American as it gets.
Yah the fact that he called 911 and pledged allegiance to ISIS and millions of Muslims around the world are celebrating is completely irrelevant here. This isn't a part of a trend or anything, let's not get crazy....
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soberstone United States. Jun 12 2016 19:36. Posts 2662
Our fearless President just said this was an act of terror but that we shouldn't speculate about the motivations of the murderer.
OK Mr. President, time to turn off my prefrontal cortex. Only way I can ignore 1 + 1 = 2 levels of obvious.
We have people with different message, race, religion, color, background etc. Targeting different group of people, ranging from school children to military personnel to gay club attendees.
Can you in your infinite wisdom tell me what is the cause?
In US everyone is happy as long as all the prices are rising. Unless its crude oil - Marc Faber
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FullBRing Philippines. Jun 12 2016 21:36. Posts 581
Yep well good luck stopping those retards in a country where you can buy Assault rifle in costco.
Nihilism in a world where god is dead and run by the merchant class life ultimately takes on no meaning beyond materialism and economics for many lost individuals.
Read Evola ride the tiger.
'Indeed when the young Andre Breton declared that the simplest surrealist act would be to go out in the street and shoot passersby at random, he was anticipating what happened more than once after World War II, when some of the younger generation passed from theory to practice. By absurd and destructive actions, they sought to attain the only possible meaning of existence, after rejecting suicide as the radical solution for the metaphysically abandoned individual.'
Islam however is a different phenomena a cancerous religion based on intimidation and warfare.
Rear naked woke
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TimDawg United States. Jun 12 2016 21:53. Posts 10197
On June 12 2016 18:09 capaneo wrote:
wow, people are retarded for bringing religion and immigration into this. There is no difference between this guy, and Virginia Tech shooter and Sandy Hook shooter and many other mass shooters. As a matter of fact doing a mass shooting with an AR15 is as American as it gets.
This is an ignorant statement on soo many levels...
online bob is actually a pretty smart person, not at all like the creepy fucker that sits in the sofa telling me he does nasty shit to me when im asleep - pinball
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soberstone United States. Jun 12 2016 22:47. Posts 2662
On June 12 2016 20:36 FullBRing wrote:
Yep well good luck stopping those retards in a country where you can buy Assault rifle in costco.
In our country, gun violence is only a major problem in liberal areas with strict laws, so your argument falls flat on its face the minute any statistical analysis is given. Oh yah, and its handguns 90 percent of the time, not Assault rifles.
But yah, Islam is poison on the whole and we should not take any refugees or immigrants from that part of the world because they can't be trusted with our freedoms, I agree. It's a lack of freedom and Islam on Islam oppression that fucks up the Middle East, we can't let it come here.
Europe is already thoroughly fucked. Rooting hard for Britain to try and save themselves and Brexit.
On June 12 2016 20:36 FullBRing wrote:
Yep well good luck stopping those retards in a country where you can buy Assault rifle in costco.
In our country, gun violence is only a major problem in liberal areas with strict laws, so your argument falls flat on its face the minute any statistical analysis is given. Oh yah, and its handguns 90 percent of the time, not Assault rifles.
But yah, Islam is poison on the whole and we should not take any refugees or immigrants from that part of the world because they can't be trusted with our freedoms, I agree. It's a lack of freedom and Islam on Islam oppression that fucks up the Middle East, we can't let it come here.
Europe is already thoroughly fucked. Rooting hard for Britain to try and save themselves and Brexit.
I don't know what the fuck are you talking about, but the topic here is mass shootings. So get your head out of your ass and look around and you would realize that it is a problem everywhere in the US.
This is the map of mass shootings since Sandy Hook (Dec 2012). Pick your state
In US everyone is happy as long as all the prices are rising. Unless its crude oil - Marc Faber
On June 12 2016 20:36 FullBRing wrote:
Yep well good luck stopping those retards in a country where you can buy Assault rifle in costco.
In our country, gun violence is only a major problem in liberal areas with strict laws, so your argument falls flat on its face the minute any statistical analysis is given. Oh yah, and its handguns 90 percent of the time, not Assault rifles.
But yah, Islam is poison on the whole and we should not take any refugees or immigrants from that part of the world because they can't be trusted with our freedoms, I agree. It's a lack of freedom and Islam on Islam oppression that fucks up the Middle East, we can't let it come here.
Europe is already thoroughly fucked. Rooting hard for Britain to try and save themselves and Brexit.
This is a troll post right ? :D
I ll just address the last part, since its obv you are not aware of how the EU works. The EU has nothing to do with the border policies - thats purely Shenghen and UK has opted out of it since its creation ( AFAIK might not be since creation but for a long period nevertheless ). Now that being said Brexit will not happen, and if it does happen they will be so fucked on so many levels you have no idea.
Anyways the shooting is pretty standard, such events will continue to happen and often and there are tons of reasons for that. What makes an american citizen, who probably lived his entire life in luxury compared to an avg. refugee, go out and do that shit is beyond me however. Its not like his family and friends got bombed, and jsut a religion factor seems silly.
Trump should go give him some honors @ funeral for drawing tons of voters towards him.
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soberstone United States. Jun 13 2016 00:33. Posts 2662
On June 12 2016 20:36 FullBRing wrote:
Yep well good luck stopping those retards in a country where you can buy Assault rifle in costco.
In our country, gun violence is only a major problem in liberal areas with strict laws, so your argument falls flat on its face the minute any statistical analysis is given. Oh yah, and its handguns 90 percent of the time, not Assault rifles.
But yah, Islam is poison on the whole and we should not take any refugees or immigrants from that part of the world because they can't be trusted with our freedoms, I agree. It's a lack of freedom and Islam on Islam oppression that fucks up the Middle East, we can't let it come here.
Europe is already thoroughly fucked. Rooting hard for Britain to try and save themselves and Brexit.
I don't know what the fuck are you talking about, but the topic here is mass shootings. So get your head out of your ass and look around and you would realize that it is a problem everywhere in the US.
This is the map of mass shootings since Sandy Hook (Dec 2012). Pick your state
I could give a fuck about the stupid new "mass shooting" buzz word.
I'm talking about gun violence period, and it's handguns for the most part and it's in liberal areas with stricter gun control. It's not refutable. Look at Chicago, Los Angeles, New York, Baltimore. This is where it's at it's worst. These are areas with the strictest gun laws. Understand?
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soberstone United States. Jun 13 2016 00:35. Posts 2662
On June 12 2016 20:36 FullBRing wrote:
Yep well good luck stopping those retards in a country where you can buy Assault rifle in costco.
In our country, gun violence is only a major problem in liberal areas with strict laws, so your argument falls flat on its face the minute any statistical analysis is given. Oh yah, and its handguns 90 percent of the time, not Assault rifles.
But yah, Islam is poison on the whole and we should not take any refugees or immigrants from that part of the world because they can't be trusted with our freedoms, I agree. It's a lack of freedom and Islam on Islam oppression that fucks up the Middle East, we can't let it come here.
Europe is already thoroughly fucked. Rooting hard for Britain to try and save themselves and Brexit.
This is a troll post right ? :D
I ll just address the last part, since its obv you are not aware of how the EU works. The EU has nothing to do with the border policies - thats purely Shenghen and UK has opted out of it since its creation ( AFAIK might not be since creation but for a long period nevertheless ). Now that being said Brexit will not happen, and if it does happen they will be so fucked on so many levels you have no idea.
Anyways the shooting is pretty standard, such events will continue to happen and often and there are tons of reasons for that. What makes an american citizen, who probably lived his entire life in luxury compared to an avg. refugee, go out and do that shit is beyond me however. Its not like his family and friends got bombed, and jsut a religion factor seems silly.
Trump should go give him some honors @ funeral for drawing tons of voters towards him.
Are you fucking serious?
Immigration
Under EU law, Britain cannot prevent anyone from another member state coming to live in the country – while Britons benefit from an equivalent right to live and work anywhere else in the EU. The result has been a huge increase in immigration into Britain, particularly from eastern and southern Europe.
Dumbest thing I've read on this forum so far.
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Santafairy Korea (South). Jun 13 2016 00:42. Posts 2225
On June 12 2016 20:36 FullBRing wrote:
Yep well good luck stopping those retards in a country where you can buy Assault rifle in costco.
In our country, gun violence is only a major problem in liberal areas with strict laws, so your argument falls flat on its face the minute any statistical analysis is given. Oh yah, and its handguns 90 percent of the time, not Assault rifles.
But yah, Islam is poison on the whole and we should not take any refugees or immigrants from that part of the world because they can't be trusted with our freedoms, I agree. It's a lack of freedom and Islam on Islam oppression that fucks up the Middle East, we can't let it come here.
Europe is already thoroughly fucked. Rooting hard for Britain to try and save themselves and Brexit.
I don't know what the fuck are you talking about, but the topic here is mass shootings. So get your head out of your ass and look around and you would realize that it is a problem everywhere in the US.
This is the map of mass shootings since Sandy Hook (Dec 2012). Pick your state
this catalog uses the award-winningly non-insightful definition of "at least 4 people shot," in other words, it includes drunk disagreements outside the bowling alley at 3 am, criminals shooting at each other, drive-by shooting, someone shooting their family and selves at home, trying to collect money at a 7/11 for whatever illegal bullshit you were selling. there isn't even a requirement that there be any fatalities to get on that map, and indeed a large majority of the incidents resulted in no deaths
It seems to be not very profitable in the long run to play those kind of hands. - Gus Hansen
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Liquid`Drone Norway. Jun 13 2016 01:32. Posts 3093
not gonna defend the use of that picture - but it's not like florida is particularly strict on guns. nor is virginia or arizona, the idea that mass shootings (whichever definition) only happens in areas with strict gun laws is flawed..
lol POKER
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soberstone United States. Jun 13 2016 01:39. Posts 2662
Either way, even using the stupid map which is utterly meaningless, do Wyoming, Montana, Idaho, and Nevada (home of the city of SIN) have strict gun laws? Nope, quite the opposite. And wouldn't you know it, they have no "mass shootings".
On June 12 2016 20:36 FullBRing wrote:
Yep well good luck stopping those retards in a country where you can buy Assault rifle in costco.
In our country, gun violence is only a major problem in liberal areas with strict laws, so your argument falls flat on its face the minute any statistical analysis is given. Oh yah, and its handguns 90 percent of the time, not Assault rifles.
But yah, Islam is poison on the whole and we should not take any refugees or immigrants from that part of the world because they can't be trusted with our freedoms, I agree. It's a lack of freedom and Islam on Islam oppression that fucks up the Middle East, we can't let it come here.
Europe is already thoroughly fucked. Rooting hard for Britain to try and save themselves and Brexit.
I don't know what the fuck are you talking about, but the topic here is mass shootings. So get your head out of your ass and look around and you would realize that it is a problem everywhere in the US.
This is the map of mass shootings since Sandy Hook (Dec 2012). Pick your state
I could give a fuck about the stupid new "mass shooting" buzz word.
I'm talking about gun violence period, and it's handguns for the most part and it's in liberal areas with stricter gun control. It's not refutable. Look at Chicago, Los Angeles, New York, Baltimore. This is where it's at it's worst. These are areas with the strictest gun laws. Understand?
Then leave the discussion. Because that is what we are talking about here.
In US everyone is happy as long as all the prices are rising. Unless its crude oil - Marc Faber
On June 13 2016 00:39 soberstone wrote:
Either way, even using the stupid map which is utterly meaningless, do Wyoming, Montana, Idaho, and Nevada (home of the city of SIN) have strict gun laws? Nope, quite the opposite. And wouldn't you know it, they have no "mass shootings".
If you think a little harder then you realize it has direct correlation with population density. Anywhere you get Americans, you get a mass shooting. I wonder why? Are Americans fucking crazy? Or maybe there are other reasons.
In US everyone is happy as long as all the prices are rising. Unless its crude oil - Marc Faber
Everyone should carry a gun like men carried swords in the past. All gun control does is let criminals and government have monopoly on them. Old debate. Switzerland bitch.
Rear naked woke
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Santafairy Korea (South). Jun 13 2016 03:00. Posts 2225
>we mapped something that depends on the involvement of human beings
>it seems to happen more in places where human beings are concentrated
It seems to be not very profitable in the long run to play those kind of hands. - Gus Hansen
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traxamillion United States. Jun 13 2016 04:56. Posts 10468
On June 12 2016 18:09 capaneo wrote:
wow, people are retarded for bringing religion and immigration into this. There is no difference between this guy, and Virginia Tech shooter and Sandy Hook shooter and many other mass shooters. As a matter of fact doing a mass shooting with an AR15 is as American as it gets.
Kick rocks fucktard
This obviously had a religious influence, guy called 911 to say so
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traxamillion United States. Jun 13 2016 05:18. Posts 10468
If everyone is strapped obviously a mass shooter is going to have a lower probability of "success". He will get one to the back of the head pretty quick.
Problem in Florida is he attacked a club which like bars don't allow any weapons inside. So whatever the gun laws in the area he wasn't running into anyone armed except possibly upon entry outside.
Islam is a top threat to humanity obviously. The Koran and hadiths are violent destructive, ethnocentric texts that promote warfare and violence. Muhammad was a fucking madman who fucked kids, boys, and killed thousands of innocent people.
It doesn't help that since 700 AD Islamic peoples have been marrying and breeding with first cousins as an institutionalized practice. This has led to a heavy genetic degradation. Pakistan has over 50% first cousin marriages. Immigrants to places like Sweden have a rate of genetic disorders that far exceeds their % of the pop compared to everyone else. Special needs classes are filled with immigrant Muslim children. As a group Muslim territories average an 81 IQ. Only sub-Saharan Africans are lower. Only 100,000 books have ever been translated into Arabic or other Muslim languages, about the amount Spain would translate in 1 year. Only 4 Muslims have ever won a non peace Nobel prize. Hard to get geniuses when breeding 81s with 81s. So not only are their ideas poison, their DNA is too.
Was gonna vote for bernie but now I'm voting Trump. If he stops Islamic immigration that will be a great thing. Nothing wrong with doing like the sensible Japanese
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Stroggoz New Zealand. Jun 13 2016 05:37. Posts 5296
Instead of using that map you could just compare the US with every other developed country that has gun laws, and compare the crime rate, particularly crimes related to gun violence. Then you can compare the number of guns sold in every country. The reasoning behind this would be very simple.
One of 3 non decent human beings on a site of 5 people with between 2-3 decent human beings
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Santafairy Korea (South). Jun 13 2016 06:12. Posts 2225
It seems to be not very profitable in the long run to play those kind of hands. - Gus Hansen
On June 12 2016 20:36 FullBRing wrote:
Yep well good luck stopping those retards in a country where you can buy Assault rifle in costco.
In our country, gun violence is only a major problem in liberal areas with strict laws, so your argument falls flat on its face the minute any statistical analysis is given. Oh yah, and its handguns 90 percent of the time, not Assault rifles.
But yah, Islam is poison on the whole and we should not take any refugees or immigrants from that part of the world because they can't be trusted with our freedoms, I agree. It's a lack of freedom and Islam on Islam oppression that fucks up the Middle East, we can't let it come here.
Europe is already thoroughly fucked. Rooting hard for Britain to try and save themselves and Brexit.
This is a troll post right ? :D
I ll just address the last part, since its obv you are not aware of how the EU works. The EU has nothing to do with the border policies - thats purely Shenghen and UK has opted out of it since its creation ( AFAIK might not be since creation but for a long period nevertheless ). Now that being said Brexit will not happen, and if it does happen they will be so fucked on so many levels you have no idea.
Anyways the shooting is pretty standard, such events will continue to happen and often and there are tons of reasons for that. What makes an american citizen, who probably lived his entire life in luxury compared to an avg. refugee, go out and do that shit is beyond me however. Its not like his family and friends got bombed, and jsut a religion factor seems silly.
Trump should go give him some honors @ funeral for drawing tons of voters towards him.
Are you fucking serious?
Immigration
Under EU law, Britain cannot prevent anyone from another member state coming to live in the country – while Britons benefit from an equivalent right to live and work anywhere else in the EU. The result has been a huge increase in immigration into Britain, particularly from eastern and southern Europe.
.
?!??!!?!?!?!??!?!
holy shit u are clueless, why are talking about stuff like they are facts when they couldnt be further from the truth
also how does that fix their immigration problem wow, those are not refugees you are talking about and neither are they muslim and neitehr are they forced to do anything by the EU
Well, looks like he was a regular fudgepacker and mentally retarted.
I wish one of your guys had children if I could kick them in the fucking head or stomp on their testicles so you can feel my pain because thats the pain I have waking up everyday -- Mike Tyson
On June 14 2016 15:11 traxamillion wrote:
Just ignorance when people act as though radical Islam is completely different from Islam in general.
Who could argue ANY Islam is not anti-women?
Some muslims, especially in western countries, treat their wives and women with enough respect. We could argue that they aren't true muslims, but in the end they think they are. They are not the vast majority but they don't probably all share the feeling women are supposed to be slaves.
Islam as a whole seems scary at this point in time but there are definitely different subcultures and lines of thought in the whole spectrum.
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soberstone United States. Jun 15 2016 19:27. Posts 2662
On June 14 2016 15:11 traxamillion wrote:
Just ignorance when people act as though radical Islam is completely different from Islam in general.
Who could argue ANY Islam is not anti-women?
Some muslims, especially in western countries, treat their wives and women with enough respect. We could argue that they aren't true muslims, but in the end they think they are. They are not the vast majority but they don't probably all share the feeling women are supposed to be slaves.
Islam as a whole seems scary at this point in time but there are definitely different subcultures and lines of thought in the whole spectrum.
Problem is they were assimilating fairly well when coming over in small numbers for the right reasons. Now they are being imported for cheap labor and votes and becoming instant burdens to the state due to liberal policies of welfare and multicultural celebration. Their offspring are becoming more radical, not less. It's out of control. Britain exiting the EU is the single most important international issue this year as if they exit other countries will follow and the immigration tide can be stemmed, thereby saving the first world if possible. The globalist leftist elitists are scared shitless and putting out mad propoganda trying to scare Brits into voting against brexit.
On June 14 2016 15:11 traxamillion wrote:
Just ignorance when people act as though radical Islam is completely different from Islam in general.
Who could argue ANY Islam is not anti-women?
Some muslims, especially in western countries, treat their wives and women with enough respect. We could argue that they aren't true muslims, but in the end they think they are. They are not the vast majority but they don't probably all share the feeling women are supposed to be slaves.
Islam as a whole seems scary at this point in time but there are definitely different subcultures and lines of thought in the whole spectrum.
Problem is they were assimilating fairly well when coming over in small numbers for the right reasons. Now they are being imported for cheap labor and votes and becoming instant burdens to the state due to liberal policies of welfare and multicultural celebration. Their offspring are becoming more radical, not less. It's out of control. Britain exiting the EU is the single most important international issue this year as if they exit other countries will follow and the immigration tide can be stemmed, thereby saving the first world if possible. The globalist leftist elitists are scared shitless and putting out mad propoganda trying to scare Brits into voting against brexit.
I will quote for posterity; Europe is fucked and I hope the United Kingdom preserves itself.
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soberstone United States. Jun 18 2016 01:42. Posts 2662
On June 14 2016 15:11 traxamillion wrote:
Just ignorance when people act as though radical Islam is completely different from Islam in general.
Who could argue ANY Islam is not anti-women?
Some muslims, especially in western countries, treat their wives and women with enough respect. We could argue that they aren't true muslims
Of course they are true muslims, that is the same as saying extremist arent true muslims, they all are muslims and their thoughts and actions vary widely, and obviously there are muslims who treat women right.
What matters is the statistical prevalence of certain beliefs or actions on said population
On June 14 2016 15:11 traxamillion wrote:
Just ignorance when people act as though radical Islam is completely different from Islam in general.
Who could argue ANY Islam is not anti-women?
Some muslims, especially in western countries, treat their wives and women with enough respect. We could argue that they aren't true muslims, but in the end they think they are. They are not the vast majority but they don't probably all share the feeling women are supposed to be slaves.
Islam as a whole seems scary at this point in time but there are definitely different subcultures and lines of thought in the whole spectrum.
Problem is they were assimilating fairly well when coming over in small numbers for the right reasons. Now they are being imported for cheap labor and votes and becoming instant burdens to the state due to liberal policies of welfare and multicultural celebration. Their offspring are becoming more radical, not less. It's out of control. Britain exiting the EU is the single most important international issue this year as if they exit other countries will follow and the immigration tide can be stemmed, thereby saving the first world if possible. The globalist leftist elitists are scared shitless and putting out mad propoganda trying to scare Brits into voting against brexit.
Well its pretty obvious, a pinch of salt dilutes pretty well in a cup of water, a bucket wont.
If you are a small minority you are forced into interaction with the host country exposing you to the new culture and it forces you to adapt, if large groups move over big communities are formed, people then only interact with their own kind, dont even require to learn the language.
This happened to the US with us Mexicans, it came to a point where people in certain cities dont even need to learn english and ghettos were formed, it isnt a big cultural issue because Mexican and American belief system is very alike, we have alike laws, alike religions etc and this doesnt apply to europe and the middle east, ghettos will be created, crime will rise, cultural conflict will grow, they will gain political power until demagoges from the right rise to power and who the fuck knows what will happen then., but nothing good.
On June 14 2016 03:07 Baalim wrote:
So far we already got the #ReligionOfPeace crap and also we had the counterpart where Obama socialist wants to take our guns like Hitler!
So a full range of left to right idiots, a full rainbow of stupidity.
The atheists must be in a huge downswing (or would it be upswing?)
For what its worth, I suspected that....FOR A MINUTE.. this time
:D
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soberstone United States. Jun 18 2016 23:25. Posts 2662
On June 14 2016 15:11 traxamillion wrote:
Just ignorance when people act as though radical Islam is completely different from Islam in general.
Who could argue ANY Islam is not anti-women?
Some muslims, especially in western countries, treat their wives and women with enough respect. We could argue that they aren't true muslims, but in the end they think they are. They are not the vast majority but they don't probably all share the feeling women are supposed to be slaves.
Islam as a whole seems scary at this point in time but there are definitely different subcultures and lines of thought in the whole spectrum.
Problem is they were assimilating fairly well when coming over in small numbers for the right reasons. Now they are being imported for cheap labor and votes and becoming instant burdens to the state due to liberal policies of welfare and multicultural celebration. Their offspring are becoming more radical, not less. It's out of control. Britain exiting the EU is the single most important international issue this year as if they exit other countries will follow and the immigration tide can be stemmed, thereby saving the first world if possible. The globalist leftist elitists are scared shitless and putting out mad propoganda trying to scare Brits into voting against brexit.
Well its pretty obvious, a pinch of salt dilutes pretty well in a cup of water, a bucket wont.
If you are a small minority you are forced into interaction with the host country exposing you to the new culture and it forces you to adapt, if large groups move over big communities are formed, people then only interact with their own kind, dont even require to learn the language.
This happened to the US with us Mexicans, it came to a point where people in certain cities dont even need to learn english and ghettos were formed, it isnt a big cultural issue because Mexican and American belief system is very alike, we have alike laws, alike religions etc and this doesnt apply to europe and the middle east, ghettos will be created, crime will rise, cultural conflict will grow, they will gain political power until demagoges from the right rise to power and who the fuck knows what will happen then., but nothing good.
I completely agree with this, with the caveat that Muslims are particularly difficult to assimilate simply because the tenants of Sharia (which most do believe in currently) is completely at odds with Western culture. It's not even a judgment, just a fact. Mexican culture, as you said, is rooted in Christian values - whether they stay Christian or not is relatively irrelevant.
Then again, even Mexicans are starting now not assimilating the way they did 20 years ago because of the salt/water theory combined with policies which encourage state dependence for the poor, which most immigrants start off as for obvious reasons.
"The motive of the gunman was so far unclear, Frankfurter Allgemeine reported, saying that several scenarios were being considered including a botched robbery, as well as a political or an ideological cause."
On June 12 2016 20:36 FullBRing wrote:
Yep well good luck stopping those retards in a country where you can buy Assault rifle in costco.
In our country, gun violence is only a major problem in liberal areas with strict laws, so your argument falls flat on its face the minute any statistical analysis is given. Oh yah, and its handguns 90 percent of the time, not Assault rifles.
But yah, Islam is poison on the whole and we should not take any refugees or immigrants from that part of the world because they can't be trusted with our freedoms, I agree. It's a lack of freedom and Islam on Islam oppression that fucks up the Middle East, we can't let it come here.
Europe is already thoroughly fucked. Rooting hard for Britain to try and save themselves and Brexit.
This is a troll post right ? :D
I ll just address the last part, since its obv you are not aware of how the EU works. The EU has nothing to do with the border policies - thats purely Shenghen and UK has opted out of it since its creation ( AFAIK might not be since creation but for a long period nevertheless ). Now that being said Brexit will not happen, and if it does happen they will be so fucked on so many levels you have no idea.
Anyways the shooting is pretty standard, such events will continue to happen and often and there are tons of reasons for that. What makes an american citizen, who probably lived his entire life in luxury compared to an avg. refugee, go out and do that shit is beyond me however. Its not like his family and friends got bombed, and jsut a religion factor seems silly.
Trump should go give him some honors @ funeral for drawing tons of voters towards him.
Are you fucking serious?
Immigration
Under EU law, Britain cannot prevent anyone from another member state coming to live in the country – while Britons benefit from an equivalent right to live and work anywhere else in the EU. The result has been a huge increase in immigration into Britain, particularly from eastern and southern Europe.
.
?!??!!?!?!?!??!?!
holy shit u are clueless, why are talking about stuff like they are facts when they couldnt be further from the truth
also how does that fix their immigration problem wow, those are not refugees you are talking about and neither are they muslim and neitehr are they forced to do anything by the EU
It helps fix the immigration problem because when you are in the EU you can't close your borders to anyone else physically in the EU - and there are essentially open borders in some of the countries being flooded by Muslims.
Should be easy enough to understand, but continue being blind to how this is critically related to the issue of the Islamisation of the West, thank God the people of Britain aren't so oblivious. I for one am very happy as it shows a global trend of people awakening to the problem.
soberstone again, you are talking about Shenghen which is optional, that is not the EU , stop posting thing you are not aware of.
Bulgaria is a part of the EU, but not a part of Shenghen for example. Meaning there is a border for the EU after us, which is good, cause my country is braindead and there is no way we can stop the refugees.
Nothing good awaits the UK, the pound plummeted and their economy will drop down with significant %s in the upcoming years if the parliament indeed votes for #brexit. They are not legally bound to accept the referendum's result
The problem is ISLAM (and thereby muslims).
Just as, back in the days when christians burned women on stakes (and a lot of other Things too), the problem was not "some people misusing christianity". The problem was CHRISTIANITY (and thereby christians)
It has not been reformed, my I suggest "The New Koran" ?
I think HONEST LANGUAGE can solve a lot of problems, if we keep pretending Islam doesnt need a reform, maybe ISLAMIC PROBLEMS like Jihadism and martyrdom will not fade away.
Yeah def islam, its not like an ISIS supporter just tried to bomb a mosque at pick hour in Turkey, but got caught. After all there is a passage in the quran saying " Thou shall bomb each other during prayer to get the virgins "
On July 05 2016 09:03 Spitfiree wrote:
Yeah def islam, its not like an ISIS supporter just tried to bomb a mosque at pick hour in Turkey, but got caught. After all there is a passage in the quran saying " Thou shall bomb each other during prayer to get the virgins "
The bible didnt say "Thou shall put a device that will tear witches assholes to death" yet they did it, and claiming the inquisition had nothing to do with Christianity or that the inquisitors were not true Christians is ridiculous
Any religion is bad imo.
They were first created because people couldn't explain some stuff (science/physics). Basically because of ignorance.
Also religions have been the source/cause of many "wars". Responsible along history for the biggest number of people killed (I think?) and yet claim to be pacifist ideas...
Like Baal pointed out: Christians had their period of mass killing as well (e.g crusades and stuff). Blaming it on Islam is not correct I think. Probably blame the freaking idiots using Islam as an excuse to do their sh*t.
Would be like blaming Christianity for pedophilia because many priests got convicted for that...
That say I respect people who believe in religion, we are all free to have our own opinions and find something to drive us in life.
On July 05 2016 09:03 Spitfiree wrote:
Yeah def islam, its not like an ISIS supporter just tried to bomb a mosque at pick hour in Turkey, but got caught. After all there is a passage in the quran saying " Thou shall bomb each other during prayer to get the virgins "
The bible didnt say "Thou shall put a device that will tear witches assholes to death" yet they did it, and claiming the inquisition had nothing to do with Christianity or that the inquisitors were not true Christians is ridiculous
My point is the religion is not the main issue, that there are connections is a fact. Was pretty sure you would be the one to understand that.
On July 05 2016 09:03 Spitfiree wrote:
Yeah def islam, its not like an ISIS supporter just tried to bomb a mosque at pick hour in Turkey, but got caught. After all there is a passage in the quran saying " Thou shall bomb each other during prayer to get the virgins "
The bible didnt say "Thou shall put a device that will tear witches assholes to death" yet they did it, and claiming the inquisition had nothing to do with Christianity or that the inquisitors were not true Christians is ridiculous
My point is the religion is not the main issue, that there are connections is a fact. Was pretty sure you would be the one to understand that.
I think connection is an understatement, and what is the "main" issue is difficult to say, first what we decide as main?, surely there are a other big factors like poverty and ignorance but religion is an important factor, people who dont believe in eternal bliss after death dont throw away their lives flying planes into buildings, non-indoctrinated people dont throw gays off rooftops and dont hang apostates.
I think trying to excuse Islam for all of this is a terrible mistake, first because it empowers demagoges as its already happening, second because its dishonest only in a pathetic attempt to not offend peoples sensibilities... fuck their sensibilities, stupid ideas do not deserve respect, and religion should not be above scrutiny.
There should be a clear line drawn between radicalism and actual religion. You can't pack them all up and throw them to the wolves. I don't see how the social factors as knowledge and wealth are not the main ones. The demagogs you are referring to are not empowered by religion, they are simply using it as a weapon. You wanna fix something you, you rip out its very core, not the weapon it is using.
There is no such thing as "actual" religion, Scotsman fallacy, violent religion is also religion and there is no clear line to be drawn in Islam, a tiny minority are enrolled in terrorist cells but a majority of Muslims in the middle east have absolutely barbaric beliefs, they are in favor death penalty for apostasy, homosexuality, dishonoring family, corporal punishment for crimes etc.
The notion that Islam is peaceful and good and its only a 0.1% of extremist who ruin the reputation is false.
Do we notice the same beliefs in islam preaching societies in developed countries ?
You are right, however we have a good example of how that can be reversed. Its all about circumstances. And the politics being led until now only create even more radicals. The vicious circle must stop in order for things to have a chance to be made better.
Yeah the majority is what you described, however how do you suppose one change that? Through pure force? Obviously not working. Or through developing the society.
It worked for Christians, calling them silly, coming out with counterpoints to it's validity. Theyre actually trying it with Islam now, the results? not so good lol
Don't pretend Islam isn't worse as a religion than christianity. Christianity (not catholicism) is advocating pacifism and asceticism with the annoying 'go and PREACH to every creature'. Islam the very word means submit/surrender and advocates violence and subjugation to non believers as well as sharia law. It's a pack mentality religion that's why it still holds so much power because of its bullying nature. I mean these guys even piss off buddhists.
Catholicism is not christianity. The romans rejected christianity and never converted instead moulded it into their own. They even banned the bible. They worship idols, popes, virgin mary, 'saints' it is an occult religion masquerading as christianity same with mormons etc.
Most religions are just as they have always been a rotten power hungry structure. It doesn't mean that the actual books are worthless, though most are stupid they hold some truths.
I don't understand why all liberals are so anti-christian it is basically the same belief system except you worship the state instead of god. And you reject asceticism of course, thats probably why.
People these days may call themselves christian but they are only christians in name.
Liberals who use the argument of christianity and crusades to justify their belief that islam is not a warmonging and violent religion are braindead. This is why democracy ultimately doesn't work, you give dumb people the impression their opinion matters, and they are easy to manipulate by politicians and the lobbyists behind them. It's not even surprising, Plato predicted this situation would happen in ancient greece.
On July 06 2016 08:20 Spitfiree wrote:
Do we notice the same beliefs in islam preaching societies in developed countries ?
You are right, however we have a good example of how that can be reversed. Its all about circumstances. And the politics being led until now only create even more radicals. The vicious circle must stop in order for things to have a chance to be made better.
Yeah the majority is what you described, however how do you suppose one change that? Through pure force? Obviously not working. Or through developing the society.
I am absolutely anti-intervention and I agree 100% that warefare only creates a hotbed for extremism, I mean the results speak for themselves, terrorism is as strong as ever despises all the military efforts and its obvious.
That being said pretending Islam has not a problem, saying they are not true Muslims, saying its a 0.1% of mentally ill people is an obvious lie, Ive already talked about sharia and other things that hundreds of millions of Muslims support.
So in summary Islam is a problem, but no, bombing the shit out of the middle east is not an effective way to fight it neither is allowing them to migrate in the millions as if its not a big deal
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soberstone United States. Jul 07 2016 04:38. Posts 2662
On July 06 2016 19:08 VanDerMeyde wrote:
Islamophobia:
On July 06 2016 17:04 Mortensen8 wrote:
Don't pretend Islam isn't worse as a religion than christianity. Christianity (not catholicism) is advocating pacifism and asceticism with the annoying 'go and PREACH to every creature'. Islam the very word means submit/surrender and advocates violence and subjugation to non believers as well as sharia law. It's a pack mentality religion that's why it still holds so much power because of its bullying nature. I mean these guys even piss off buddhists.
Apparently you are not very well versed in the bible, it is mounstrous, violent and commands the death of heretics, whores and countless of many other things and dont come with the "its the old testament" bullshit, this is an argument I have hundreds of times, you are gong to lose it.
Catholicism is not christianity. The romans rejected christianity and never converted instead moulded it into their own. They even banned the bible. They worship idols, popes, virgin mary, 'saints' it is an occult religion masquerading as christianity same with mormons etc.
Most religions are just as they have always been a rotten power hungry structure. It doesn't mean that the actual books are worthless, though most are stupid they hold some truths.
I don't understand why all liberals are so anti-christian it is basically the same belief system except you worship the state instead of god. And you reject asceticism of course, thats probably why.
People these days may call themselves christian but they are only christians in name.
Facepalm... You are exactly like liberals saying ISIS is not Muslim, Catholics are Christians it doesn't matter if they interpret the Bible different than you think it should be.
Scotsman fallacy, I thought you were smarter than this.
Holy books are literary garbage, shit philosophy written by idiots not comparable to Greek and Roman philosophy books written thousands of years before, sure they have some good parts like the christian asceticism yet it isn't a fraction of asceticism you can read in a page of Meditations by Marcus Aurelius
(they were spraying graduates with acid because they were drinking)
Yea more proof that multiculturalism is a dangerous ideology. What is the response to the oh so dangerous christianity? oh lets bring in another one just to spice things up a bit. Or should I say two because sharia don't tend to like sunni either.
No I don't read the bible I tried and got up to the point where god commands abrahams descendants to be circumsized and thought it was retarded. Would you please quote some of the 'fucked up things' because if it is just god doing the actual killing and not telling the believers of the bible to kill these people then it's not the same. I do know that monks, nuns, popes, confession booths are not in the bible. I know some basic concepts like repenting for your sins not repenting once a week to a priest you repent and then you stop sinning completely.
The catholic church is very different from lutherism I think it's worth pointing out since they are culprits of these acts carried out hundreds of years ago. That brings up another point stop living in the past because none of this is true today.
The new pope is trying to make it into a new age religion listen to what he says. Catholicism was never about the bible, but I guess it can be considered 'christianity'.
Multiculturalism is not dangerous, nothing bad will happen if you mix Danes and Japanese because they are both civil advanced cultures.
Luke 19:27:
But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.
God commands his followers to kill people for many reasons in the Bible, and people did for centuries, the difference between Christians and Muslims is that Muslims actually follow the commands of their holy book while thankfully Christians ignore them.
Fair enough but did some quick research and it appears to be a parable I think most interpret it as after death.
11 As they heard these things, he proceeded to tell a parable, because he was near to Jerusalem, and because they supposed that the kingdom of God was to appear immediately.
I think I might read the book of revelation tonight that seems like the most interesting part.
Ok here is another verse... I can post dozens of these
Deuteronomy 13:6-10King James Version (KJV)
If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers;
Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth;
But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.
And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the Lord thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.
And yeah they can interpret it as after death on the other verse in the same way Muslims justify the Qurans violent verses and claim its absolutely peaceful and anyone killing is not a true Muslim.
I just see no real option with dealing the situation other than developing those societies. Although it will still be a painful process for developed countries, but then again its their fault radicalism reached such heights.
In my opinion only dumbasses believe anti-immigration politics would stop illegal immigration or violence flooding the continent.
Right wing is gaining higher trust by the minute, and I wouldn't care about that, if the people's opinion didn't shift towards "white power" kind of stupidity and I'm not saying that cause of the twitter post above, its a reality in every country in Europe at the moment.
If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers;
Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth;
But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.
And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the Lord thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.
And yeah they can interpret it as after death on the other verse in the same way Muslims justify the Qurans violent verses and claim its absolutely peaceful and anyone killing is not a true Muslim.
Apparently they believe that the old covenant applies to the people of Israel so that they could protect the nation and bring about the messiah, I would probably call taqqiya if it was Islam, but I don't see many old testament extremists around.
To just fashionably dismiss Christianity as something entirely bad I don't think it's true.
Whatever let it burn the western world has grown complacent and decadant and it needs to fall anyway.
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