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PuertoRican   United States. May 30 2016 06:28. Posts 13047

Date: Saturday, June 4th
Preliminary Card (UFC Fight Pass): 23:15 LP.net / 3:15pm PST / 6:15pm EST
Preliminary Card (Fox Sports 1): 1:00 LP.net / 5pm PST / 8pm EST
Main Card (PPV): 3:00 LP.net / 7pm PST / 10pm EST
Live Streams: http://firstrowus1.eu/




Main Card (PPV)

Luke Rockhold (15-2) vs. Michael Bisping (28-7) (Middleweight Championship)
Dominick Cruz (21-1) vs. Urijah Faber (33-8) (Bantamweight Championship)
Max Holloway (15-3) vs. Ricardo Lamas (16-4) (Featherweight)
Dan Henderson (31-14) vs. Hector Lombard (34-5-1) (Middleweight)
Dustin Poirier (19-4) vs. Bobby Green (23-6) (Lightweight)

Preliminary Card (Fox Sports 1)

Brian Ortega (10-0) vs. Clay Guida (32-16) (Featherweight)
Beneil Dariush (12-2) vs. James Vick (9-0) (Lightweight)
Jessica Penne (12-3) vs. Jessica Andrade (13-5) (Women's Strawweight)
Cole Miller (21-9) vs. Alex Caceres (11-8) (Featherweight)

Preliminary Card (UFC Fight Pass)

Sean Strickland (17-1) vs. Tom Breese (10-0) (Welterweight)
Jonathan Wilson (7-0) vs. Luiz Henrique da Silva (10-0) (Light Heavyweight)
Kevin Casey (9-4) vs. Elvis Mutapcic (15-4) (Middleweight)
Polo Reyes (5-2) vs. Dong Hyun Kim (13-7-3) (Lightweight)

Other

- The event was expected to be headlined by a UFC Middleweight Championship rematch between current champion Luke Rockhold and former champion Chris Weidman. They previously met at UFC 194, when Rockhold won Weidman's title via fourth round TKO. However, Weidman pulled out on May 17 due to a large extrusion herniation on his neck. The first replacement choice was former Strikeforce Middleweight Champion Ronaldo Souza, who lost his title to Rockhold in 2011, but he injured his meniscus in a win at UFC 198 against former UFC Light Heavyweight Champion Vitor Belfort. Therefore, he was replaced by The Ultimate Fighter 3 winner Michael Bisping. The fight will also be a rematch as the two met previously in November of 2014 at UFC Fight Night: Rockhold vs. Bisping, with Rockhold winning via submission in the second round.
- The co-main event is expected to feature a UFC Bantamweight Championship trilogy bout between current two-time champion Dominick Cruz and former WEC Featherweight Champion Urijah Faber. The pairing first met at featherweight on WEC 26 in 2007, when Faber defeated Cruz via guillotine choke to defend his title. The rematch took place on UFC 132 in 2011, when Cruz defended his title for the first time via unanimous decision.
- A lightweight bout between Evan Dunham and The Ultimate Fighter: Brazil 2 winner Leonardo Santos, originally scheduled for UFC 198, was moved to this event after a minor injury to Dunham delayed the match-up a few weeks. Subsequently, Santos pulled out on April 29 due to an undisclosed injury and was replaced by James Vick. In turn, Dunham pulled out of that pairing on May 5 for undisclosed reasons and was replaced by Beneil Dariush.
- In January 2016, former UFC Lightweight and Welterweight Champion B.J. Penn announced his intentions to return to active competition in the featherweight division after an 18-month "retirement" and was expected to compete at UFC 197. However, Penn's return was delayed after an investigation into criminal allegations made against him was launched. After the UFC concluded that no criminal or civil charges would be filed, the organization announced that he would face Dennis Siver at this event. In turn, Siver pulled out on May 10 due to an undisclosed injury. He was replaced by Cole Miller. Subsequently, Penn himself was removed from the card on May 23 after he was flagged for a potential anti-doping violation: the use of an IV in excess of 50 ml in a six-hour period during a March 25, out-of-competition sample collection. He was replaced by Alex Caceres.
- A lightweight bout between John Makdessi and Mehdi Baghdad was originally scheduled for this event, but on April 28 it was announced that the bout was moved to UFC Fight Night: dos Anjos vs. Alvarez on July 7, possibly to bolster the card.

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PuertoRican   United States. May 30 2016 06:31. Posts 13047

First impression of the match-ups:

• Rockhold > Bisping
• Cruz > Faber
• Holloway > Lamas
• Lombard > Henderson
• Poirier > Green
• Ortega > Guida
• Vick > Dariush
• Penne > Andrade
• Miller > Caceres
• Breese > Strickland
• Wilson > Silva
• Mutapcic > Casey
• Reyes > Kim

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jvilla777   Australia. May 30 2016 09:16. Posts 1348

Holloway = gold mine

longple: ur missing the point! this is an attempt to get away from the bumhuntmentality! 

Stim_Abuser   United States. May 30 2016 21:33. Posts 7499

Card kinda went to shit with the loss of Weidman.

Faber vs Cruz is a stupid match up. Faber has looked pretty bad lately imo.

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soberstone   United States. May 30 2016 22:00. Posts 2662

Agree with all your picks except Vick vs Dariush, I think Dariush will probably take it down by decision, his fight with Chiesa should have taught him some lessons about pace.

I live in LA and will maybe go to this if I can get some really cheap tix the day b4 the fights.

Agree with Holloway being a goldmine, Lamas shouldn't have shit for him. Unfortunately I expect Holloway to open at around -450 and only get more expensive. Everyone gonna be parlaying on this card due to all the heavy favs

 Last edit: 30/05/2016 22:03

Minsk   United States. May 30 2016 22:19. Posts 1558

Wow, they're letting Dan Henderson fight Hector Lombard.. ..


PuertoRican   United States. May 30 2016 22:35. Posts 13047







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Rockhold finished Bisping u1.5 in their first fight, and Bisping had a full camp. (^ watch the fight video above ^)

Rockhold/Bisping u1.5 is currently -115


Michael Bisping in a FOX Sports interview: "I'm not going out there to fight five rounds. If I try that, I lose. I'm not going to have the conditioning. Believe you me, I've stopped guys in the first round plenty of times before, albeit earlier in my career. I'm going to go back to that animalistic fighting style, which I have inside me. I'm going to go out on my sword and I tell you what, I'm going to give it everything I've got. Luke Rockhold better be ready."

http://www.foxsports.com/ufc/story/mi...ioning-but-i-ll-have-the-heart-052016

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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. May 31 2016 09:56. Posts 9634


  On May 30 2016 20:33 Stim_Abuser wrote:
Card kinda went to shit with the loss of Weidman.

Faber vs Cruz is a stupid match up. Faber has looked pretty bad lately imo.


I dont really think Weidman has many outs vs Rockhold, that title seems pretty locked for the near future until someone improves hard. Although if someone does improve it will most likely be Weidman

They are just giving Faber his last title attempt, don't know why as a rematch with Dillashaw makes much sense or even a few other match ups
edit: Tbh it even seemed like they were setting up a match between Faber and Dillashaw with/ever since the TUF season with McGregor - Faber, whole "argument" between Faber & DIllashaw seems so scripted

 Last edit: 31/05/2016 14:22

Baalim   Mexico. May 31 2016 10:55. Posts 34250

this UFC card should be called "bully beatdown" lol so many fighters drawing dead, Bisping, Faber and Hendo.. come on.

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PuertoRican   United States. May 31 2016 20:38. Posts 13047


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Stim_Abuser   United States. May 31 2016 23:53. Posts 7499


  On May 31 2016 08:56 Spitfiree wrote:
Show nested quote +


I dont really think Weidman has many outs vs Rockhold, that title seems pretty locked for the near future until someone improves hard. Although if someone does improve it will most likely be Weidman

They are just giving Faber his last title attempt, don't know why as a rematch with Dillashaw makes much sense or even a few other match ups
edit: Tbh it even seemed like they were setting up a match between Faber and Dillashaw with/ever since the TUF season with McGregor - Faber, whole "argument" between Faber & DIllashaw seems so scripted


I'm a Weidman fan so I might be biased, but the dude fractured his foot in two places 5 weeks out from the fight. So his entire training camp was fucked, and it was still fractured when he fought. He had surgery after, so it's not like some BS bruised rib shit. Even despite that, the fight was close until that stupid kick. He won the 1st round pretty clearly and was winning the 3rd up until the kick out striking Luke 22-12 and having a takedown. Luke looked like a deer caught in the headlights up until that kick, eating like 5 body kicks in a row unanswered.

Don't see how people can think Weidman doesn't have many outs considering all that. I think he wins the rematch if he can manage to go into the fight healthy, but that's a huge if. Weidmans definitely on the path of Shogun/Cain/Pettis of constant injuries that severely hurt their career.

A rematch with dillashaw makes sense because it was a razor close fight that could of gone either way. It was probably the closest title fight I can remember ever. And Faber hasn't beat a single top 10 guy since being blasted by Barao, and was on his way to losing to Riveria until he pulled one of the most blatant eye pokes in history. Then he lost to Frankie. Then he struggles with and barely beats Saenz, now he's getting a title shot? lol.

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soberstone   United States. Jun 01 2016 06:02. Posts 2662

Rockhold by decision up to +640, opened at +330.

This seems kinda nuts.

If Bisping fights conservatively in the first couple rounds, he has a great gas tank and this could absolutely go the distance.

If I was Bisping I'd want to take it into deep water anyway and rely on Rockhold feeling the pressure of being the overwhelming favorite / wanting a spectacular finish / hope he makes a mistake.

Bisping is a smart fighter and I doubt he comes out "guns blazing".

Would anyone really be +640 shocked if Rockhold took a decision? I'd be far more surprised at Faber winning, and that's down to +425 (aka lighting money on fire)

Along that same line of thought I think the o 1.5 at +money is pretty great.

 Last edit: 01/06/2016 06:12

PuertoRican   United States. Jun 01 2016 06:24. Posts 13047


  On June 01 2016 05:02 soberstone wrote:
Rockhold by decision up to +640, opened at +330.

This seems kinda nuts.

If Bisping fights conservatively in the first couple rounds, he has a great gas tank and this could absolutely go the distance.

If I was Bisping I'd want to take it into deep water anyway and rely on Rockhold feeling the pressure of being the overwhelming favorite / wanting a spectacular finish / hope he makes a mistake.

Bisping is a smart fighter and I doubt he comes out "guns blazing".

Would anyone really be +640 shocked if Rockhold took a decision? I'd be far more surprised at Faber winning, and that's down to +425 (aka lighting money on fire)

Along that same line of thought I think the o 1.5 at +money is pretty great.


You're focusing too much on +640, instead of what's most likely to happen.

Also, I assume you didn't read what I posted in comment #7.

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iakim322   United States. Jun 01 2016 07:07. Posts 1335

I like Andrade to grind out a probably boring win vs Penne. Should be able to dictate clinches into some TD's just wearing Penne down using a noticeable strength advantage coming down in weight vs a not big 115'er. And Penne doesn't hit hard enough to expose Andrade's kinda weak chin

Also the over on the Llamas/Holloway fight. Thinking Ricardo is going to fight in a way where it'll be difficult for Holloway to finish him


soberstone   United States. Jun 01 2016 15:48. Posts 2662


  On June 01 2016 05:24 PuertoRican wrote:
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You're focusing too much on +640, instead of what's most likely to happen.

Also, I assume you didn't read what I posted in comment #7.


Nah I didn't see that, touché.

I know comparing odds isn't an accurate way to gauge whether one has inherent value, just an example.

All that said fighters do what they do, not what they say. I still think the over has value.


alejandicto   . Jun 01 2016 17:42. Posts 865

I am going big on Rockhold + Cruz. Cant see an scenario where they lose :/

Possible bets:

- Lombard by KO (Dont know the odds yet)
- Bobby green (+180)

 Last edit: 01/06/2016 17:47

Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Jun 01 2016 22:55. Posts 9634


  On June 01 2016 16:42 alejandicto wrote:
I am going big on Rockhold + Cruz. Cant see an scenario where they lose :/



Neither does Bisping's son apparantely :D That was the most hilarious thing I've seen on a vlog series


PuertoRican   United States. Jun 01 2016 23:20. Posts 13047





  On June 01 2016 21:55 Spitfiree wrote:
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Neither does Bisping's son apparantely :D That was the most hilarious thing I've seen on a vlog series


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Minsk   United States. Jun 02 2016 05:49. Posts 1558


  On June 01 2016 05:02 soberstone wrote:
Rockhold by decision up to +640, opened at +330.

This seems kinda nuts.

If Bisping fights conservatively in the first couple rounds, he has a great gas tank and this could absolutely go the distance.

If I was Bisping I'd want to take it into deep water anyway and rely on Rockhold feeling the pressure of being the overwhelming favorite / wanting a spectacular finish / hope he makes a mistake.

Bisping is a smart fighter and I doubt he comes out "guns blazing".

Would anyone really be +640 shocked if Rockhold took a decision? I'd be far more surprised at Faber winning, and that's down to +425 (aka lighting money on fire)

Along that same line of thought I think the o 1.5 at +money is pretty great.



I think he clearly said himself he isn't finishing the fight. Perhaps at +1500 ++ I would consider it, but his son and him both strategeze/prepare for either a lucky victory or gas out and get KOed. Well, actually it's only one of them is preparing for a lucky victory. I don't think they're liars here. Are you calling the Bispings liars?

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PuertoRican   United States. Jun 02 2016 05:57. Posts 13047

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Baalim   Mexico. Jun 02 2016 06:23. Posts 34250


  On June 02 2016 04:49 Minsk wrote:
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I think he clearly said himself he isn't finishing the fight. Perhaps at +1500 ++ I would consider it, but his son and him both strategeze/prepare for either a lucky victory or gas out and get KOed. Well, actually it's only one of them is preparing for a lucky victory. I don't think they're liars here. Are you calling the Bispings liars?


I think I think you misunderstood, rockholds decition victory pays +640, not Bispings.

That line to me seems like the one with most value

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Minsk   United States. Jun 02 2016 06:41. Posts 1558

Yeah, he clearly said himself his strategy is to go try to knock Rockhold out, and not fight a paced fight. He fully understands if it doesnt work the fight is ending. Like if he doesn't get lucky he will just have to all in over and over and die.


Minsk   United States. Jun 02 2016 06:42. Posts 1558

The O/U1.5 is a better question. I wouldn't mind the O1.5, but I don't like either.

The only question is Luke isn't the most dangerous counterstriker, as far as I've seen. He usually wears on people a litlte bit then crushes them when they come down a little. So I would propose 01.5, but don't like that either, under like +150.

 Last edit: 02/06/2016 06:45

Minsk   United States. Jun 02 2016 09:25. Posts 1558

I'm looking to probably take Jessica Andradge and James Vick ML's. Curious what Alecjandicto thinks about those. Do they qualify for your value system?


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PuertoRican   United States. Jun 02 2016 22:24. Posts 13047




At 51:05 of the video, Rockhold says he had a knee injury during this camp (torn MCL) and has only been boxing.

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ERASA   Germany. Jun 02 2016 23:13. Posts 2440

Cruz said "you and your close eyes" to faber, can anyone explain that? Seems like people loved but i didnt get it :/


wongfeihung   United States. Jun 03 2016 03:35. Posts 48


  On June 02 2016 22:13 ERASA wrote:
Cruz said "you and your close eyes" to faber, can anyone explain that? Seems like people loved but i didnt get it :/


Urijah Faber's eyes are quite close together, compared to other people's faces.


ERASA   Germany. Jun 03 2016 11:14. Posts 2440

Thats all? I expected more... thanks for the explanation


Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Jun 03 2016 11:23. Posts 9634

how does the o1.5 line work

past the 2min 30s of 2nd round or past the 2 whole rounds

 Last edit: 03/06/2016 11:23

PuertoRican   United States. Jun 03 2016 18:29. Posts 13047


  On June 03 2016 10:23 Spitfiree wrote:
how does the o1.5 line work

past the 2min 30s of 2nd round or past the 2 whole rounds



o1.5 = needs to go past 7 minutes and 30 seconds, which is 2:30 of Round 2.

o2.5 = needs to go past 12 minutes and 30 seconds, which is 2:30 of Round 3.

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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Jun 03 2016 22:25. Posts 9634

okay thanks, im considering betting o1.5 at +110 seems reasonable, ignoring the fact that Bisping said he wont go for the distance which is logical, but then again it would be Rockhold that sets the pace, the only variable is if he ll catch him fast enough


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PuertoRican   United States. Jun 03 2016 22:41. Posts 13047


  On June 02 2016 21:24 PuertoRican wrote:



At 51:05 of the video, Rockhold says he had a knee injury during this camp (torn MCL) and has only been boxing.



Luke Rockhold: "I haven't grappled this entire camp, and I just started kicking last week."


According to some Sherdog detectives, Luke had a knee injury, but he has been fully healed for 2 months. There's also several videos that Luke posted himself of him kicking during his sparring sessions 3+ weeks ago: http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/luk...m-throwing-kicks-3-weeks-ago.3258397/

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iakim322   United States. Jun 03 2016 23:25. Posts 1335

Yeah I didn't actually believe or want to believe what Rockhold said about his knee when he did say it. Just a really odd time and manner in which to bring it up...as they were in scheduled face off interviews in order to market the fight. It's almost like Luke wanted to put an exaggeration out there so he can help sell the notion that this is a competitive fight...not that he's facing a 10:1 longshot. Kinda the same thing with his arrogant/dick'ish public persona. I mean yeah he kind of is one. But he comes off more so than he actually is and in sometimes weird, awkward ways because he's just not a natural or charismatic talker at all. He clearly has a lot of actual respect for Bisping. He basically humiliated Bisping with a one arm submission and instead of celebrating, instantly tried to help Bisping back up...barely fired up at all

Similar kinda thing...though I can believe it more that Bisping is just going to come in 'guns blazing nothing to lose etc etc.,' still feel there's an outside chance that it's just a little bit of bluster and maybe an attempt at a bit of misdirection. Yeah you'd think he'd do that because obviously he didn't have a full camp....but I mean...in 10+ years of professional fighting, when has Bisping ever just charged forward in order to throw haymakers on the inside. I just don't see how it suits him and his fighting style that hasn't changed ever even on a 2 week notice fight. Too long of a range and he's going to get kicked in the head by the longer Rockhold. Too close...I mean...Rockhold physically handled Weidman's inside pressure...don't see any doubt of Rockhold just grabbing ahold of Bisping and doing whatever he wants basically. Hopefully Bisping finds that good middle range for his boxing

Someone who really does need to just go all in on charging forward flurries is Faber. Bisping can actually box. Faber, not so much. And if he gets caught in an elongated outside technical striking fight against Dom like he did vs Edgar, he'll just lose another clear decision where he just feints and throws overhand rights from way too far...and further alienate the fan base that never wants to see him in a rankings relevant fight ever again. Hopefully he realizes he has about a 0.02% chance of outpointing Dom unless he makes the fight ugly the entire 25 minutes

Going to miss this event except possibly the main event. But will have bets on Holloway/Llamas over, Andrade, and Porier. Possibly light a little money on fire by putting a very small bias'd bet on Bisping just because I'm rooting for that feel good story and it'd cool to watch that mini miracle happen out at a bar



PuertoRican   United States. Jun 04 2016 01:06. Posts 13047

The UFC used a new weigh-in method for this card. Almost everyone weighed-in sometime after 10am local time, and they only had to step on the scale at 4pm local time to give the fans something to watch. Guida might have been the only guy who weighed in "for real" at 4pm.

Anyway, since everyone already re-hydrated before they got back on the scale at 4pm local time, we can't gain any new information from them. This weigh-in was basically a big waste of time from a betting point of view.

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Luke Rockhold (185) vs. Michael Bisping (185) – for middleweight title
Champ Dominick Cruz (135) vs. Urijah Faber (134.5) – for bantamweight title
Max Holloway (146) vs. Ricardo Lamas (145.5)
Dan Henderson (185.5) vs. Hector Lombard (184.5)
Bobby Green (155.5) vs. Dustin Poirier (155)
Clay Guida (146) vs. Brian Ortega (145)
Beneil Dariush (156) vs. James Vick (155.5)
Jessica Andrade (115.5) vs. Jessica Penne (115.5)
Alex Caceres (145.5) vs. Cole Miller (146)
Tom Breese (170.5) vs. Sean Strickland (171)
Luis Henrique da Silva (205.5) vs. Jonathan Wilson (205.5)
Kevin Casey (185) vs. Elvis Mutapcic (185)
“Maestro” Dong Hyun Kim (154.5) vs. Polo Reyes (155)

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Minsk   United States. Jun 04 2016 01:36. Posts 1558

I think Faber has a good style against Cruz. I bet on him, but I'm not very confident. He's almost the only person that gave him trouble on Cruz's record. Thoughts?


soberstone   United States. Jun 04 2016 02:24. Posts 2662


  On June 04 2016 00:36 Minsk wrote:
I think Faber has a good style against Cruz. I bet on him, but I'm not very confident. He's almost the only person that gave him trouble on Cruz's record. Thoughts?



Their first fight was so long ago it's not relevant IMO.

In the second fight Faber had zero success for 25 straight minutes.

Since then, he's gotten worse relative to the game. He's the same fighter while everyone else has evolved and gotten better, including Cruz.

Faber is one of the most overrated fighters in the UFC at this point. Frankie Saenz almost beat him.


PuertoRican   United States. Jun 04 2016 07:28. Posts 13047

Muhammad Ali died a couple of hours ago. He was Kevin Casey's father-in-law. Casey is married to his daughter, Hana Ali.

How will the effect Casey's performance? He either goes hard in Round 1 like he always does, then gasses. Or, he fights more patient and eventually loses a decision because he isn't a volume striker and will slow down anyway. Basically, I don't think this will change the fight at all. Casey's window to win the fight is still in R1.

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flounder44   United States. Jun 04 2016 09:35. Posts 916

just watched press conference, holy fuck dominic is annoying


soberstone   United States. Jun 04 2016 19:20. Posts 2662

Man Rockhold's shit-talking game is just unreal bad.


Stim_Abuser   United States. Jun 04 2016 20:58. Posts 7499


  On June 04 2016 18:20 soberstone wrote:
Man Rockhold's shit-talking game is just unreal bad.



lol he also got caught for being full of shit. In the presser he was saying he had a torn MCL and just barely started kicking and hasn't done any wrestling for the camp. Yet there are several videos he posted to instagram showing him training kicks.

And then CSAC outted his bullshit and said that he didn't even have a torn MCL, he just sprained it 3 months ago.

http://www.mmamania.com/2016/6/3/11856616/csac-calls-luke-rockholds-bluff-confirms-his-mcl-tear-is-just-a-sprain

Why the fuck would you lie about that BEFORE a fight lol. Trying to preemptively make himself look better?

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PuertoRican   United States. Jun 04 2016 21:41. Posts 13047

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soberstone   United States. Jun 04 2016 22:43. Posts 2662

Kevin Casey fighting tonight so you know this is mandatory.


PuertoRican   United States. Jun 04 2016 23:15. Posts 13047

Fights start in 2 minutes or so.

gL boys~

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PuertoRican   United States. Jun 04 2016 23:20. Posts 13047

1. Faber, Lombard, Mutapcic, Poirier, Wilson ($33 team)
2. Faber, Lombard, Mutapcic, Poirier, Wilson ($5 double-up team)
3. Faber, Lombard, Mutapcic, Poirier, Wilson ($5: top 50 win $100)
4. Faber, Kim, Lombard, Miller, Wilson
5. Faber, Holloway, Mutapcic, Poirier, Wilson
6. Faber, Green, Lombard, Rockhold, Wilson
7. Faber, Lombard, Miller, Mutapcic, Wilson
8. Silva, Kim, Lombard, Miller, Poirier
9. Dariush, Faber, Holloway, Miller, Wilson
10. Andrade, Poirier, Reyes, Strickland, Wilson
11. Silva, Kim, Lombard, Mutapcic, Rockhold
12. Green, Kim, Lombard, Penne, Wilson
13. Green, Lombard, Miller, Strickland, Wilson
14. Kim, Lamas, Miller, Ortega, Penne
15. Kim, Lamas, Lombard, Miller, Wilson

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ERASA   Germany. Jun 04 2016 23:29. Posts 2440

Damn... fireworks


PuertoRican   United States. Jun 04 2016 23:30. Posts 13047

WHAT THE FFFFFFFFFFFF???????

Reyes and Kim are fucking NUTSSSSSSSSSSSS!

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ERASA   Germany. Jun 04 2016 23:35. Posts 2440

lol zombie kim with the falling on your opp takedown :D


PuertoRican   United States. Jun 04 2016 23:42. Posts 13047

Kim is so fucking stupid... He has the ground advantage, yet he only took it to the ground twice when he was gassed out.

Fuck...

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ERASA   Germany. Jun 04 2016 23:45. Posts 2440

He was probbaly out of it since the 3min mark of round 1... wonder how much money he makes for that :/


PuertoRican   United States. Jun 04 2016 23:50. Posts 13047


  On June 04 2016 22:45 ERASA wrote:
He was probbaly out of it since the 3min mark of round 1... wonder how much money he makes for that :/



They most likely both make $10k/$10k. If they're lucky, they'll get one of the bonuses, which means an extra $50k for each of them. However, the brain damage both of them will have from that fight is priceless.

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ERASA   Germany. Jun 05 2016 00:01. Posts 2440

Time to get TKO'd Mr. Casey


PuertoRican   United States. Jun 05 2016 00:14. Posts 13047

Sigh...

I mean, I gave Mutapcic the win, but he cost himself the fight when he was kneeing Casey in R2 and got taken down. He out-landed Casey 4 to 1 in R2, but that 1 judge was an idiot. I'd accept a loss, but Draws are retarded.

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ERASA   Germany. Jun 05 2016 00:28. Posts 2440

wtf... and you thought kim was stupid....


PuertoRican   United States. Jun 05 2016 00:30. Posts 13047

Holy shit...

3 fights into a UFC card, and I've had the worst DraftKings event in my entire life...

I say this every fucking Pay-Per-View card... I can't catch a break... WTF??????????????

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ERASA   Germany. Jun 05 2016 00:32. Posts 2440

Atleast the fights delivered from an entertainment perspective


soberstone   United States. Jun 05 2016 00:33. Posts 2662

Pretty big fight for 170 lb division right here.


PuertoRican   United States. Jun 05 2016 00:35. Posts 13047

I lose the 1st fight, mostly due to my guy not having good fight IQ.
The 2nd fight ends in a draw.
I lose the 3rd after my guy drops his opponent and then has no idea how to fight from top position and gets swept and loses...

What a bunch of bullshit thus far.

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Minsk   United States. Jun 05 2016 00:40. Posts 1558

That 2nd fight should have gone to the Bosnian.


ERASA   Germany. Jun 05 2016 00:52. Posts 2440

Why are they booing? Did they expect no look passes from magic..


soberstone   United States. Jun 05 2016 00:55. Posts 2662

I know it wasn't a great fight but I'm pretty impressed with Strickland, super technical and great chin, great gas tank... he just needs to learn how to get more violent and be more confident.


PuertoRican   United States. Jun 05 2016 00:56. Posts 13047

Good decision.

I don't remember who won Round 1, but I gave R2 to Strickland, and R3 to Strickland after he hit Breese with a good shot and ended the round with some GnP to show that he actually wanted the win. Close fight though.

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PuertoRican   United States. Jun 05 2016 00:58. Posts 13047


  On June 04 2016 23:55 soberstone wrote:
I know it wasn't a great fight but I'm pretty impressed with Strickland, super technical and great chin, great gas tank... he just needs to learn how to get more violent and be more confident.



Strickland's jab looked a little better, and he avoided a ton of shots from Breese once he found his range. Breese kept throwing a lot of the same combos, so that made it easy.

I capped this fight thinking Strickland would get the clinch and get a take down, but I guess he didn't feel safe in Breese's guard.

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soberstone   United States. Jun 05 2016 00:58. Posts 2662

Rumor is they are announcing UFC 202 McGregor vs Diaz tonight.

Dunno if it's true.

http://smackhisface.com/2016/06/04/br...-nate-diaz-vs-conor-mcgregor-ufc-202/


PuertoRican   United States. Jun 05 2016 01:17. Posts 13047

I don't understand how Cole Miller can start the fight looking the worst he has ever looked... wtf???

He's not elite, but he doesn't usually look this terrible.

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ERASA   Germany. Jun 05 2016 01:18. Posts 2440

loool that throw <3


soberstone   United States. Jun 05 2016 01:21. Posts 2662


  On June 05 2016 00:17 PuertoRican wrote:
I don't understand how Cole Miller can start the fight looking the worst he has ever looked... wtf???

He's not elite, but he doesn't usually look this terrible.



I completely agree. This is one of the worst performances I've ever seen from someone I considered decent.


soberstone   United States. Jun 05 2016 01:22. Posts 2662

Cole Miller was competitive vs Max Holloway. Now he's getting absolutely pieced up by a 10 days notice Bruce Leroy. It's insane how bad he looks.


ERASA   Germany. Jun 05 2016 01:25. Posts 2440

DAMN Leroy is so fun!!!


Minsk   United States. Jun 05 2016 01:28. Posts 1558

That looked dumb rigged..


ERASA   Germany. Jun 05 2016 01:29. Posts 2440

rigged? what?


soberstone   United States. Jun 05 2016 01:29. Posts 2662

rofl at that fight. what a shitshow. loved it


Minsk   United States. Jun 05 2016 01:29. Posts 1558

Almost like Cole Miller wanted to show himself he could get a submission off, then let it go at the last second. ..


ERASA   Germany. Jun 05 2016 01:35. Posts 2440

lol lesnar on ufc200?


traxamillion   United States. Jun 05 2016 01:35. Posts 10468


  On June 04 2016 21:43 soberstone wrote:
Kevin Casey fighting tonight so you know this is mandatory.




Haha this guy is fighting? Sweet


ERASA   Germany. Jun 05 2016 01:38. Posts 2440

lol
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traxamillion   United States. Jun 05 2016 01:43. Posts 10468

Rofl diaz and dana


milkman   United States. Jun 05 2016 01:49. Posts 5719

who got that penna nip slip gif?

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soberstone   United States. Jun 05 2016 01:49. Posts 2662


  On June 05 2016 00:43 traxamillion wrote:
Rofl diaz and dana



Kicking it in the straight Ghet


soberstone   United States. Jun 05 2016 01:53. Posts 2662

Haha what a fucking straight ass whooping.

Why was Andrade ever fighting at 135?


ERASA   Germany. Jun 05 2016 01:56. Posts 2440

Because there was no straweight devision.. i guess?


soberstone   United States. Jun 05 2016 02:03. Posts 2662


  On June 05 2016 00:56 ERASA wrote:
Because there was no straweight devision.. i guess?



Initially sure but she's had multiple fights since there was one


traxamillion   United States. Jun 05 2016 02:14. Posts 10468

Stop eye poking my dude vick


traxamillion   United States. Jun 05 2016 02:17. Posts 10468

BoOM


ERASA   Germany. Jun 05 2016 02:17. Posts 2440

fatality :D


Minsk   United States. Jun 05 2016 02:17. Posts 1558

Hehehehe.


PuertoRican   United States. Jun 05 2016 02:18. Posts 13047

Dariush tapped into his inner Mike Tyson for this fight.

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soberstone   United States. Jun 05 2016 02:20. Posts 2662

Wow. Vick's granite chin may never be the same.


traxamillion   United States. Jun 05 2016 02:23. Posts 10468

Paige looked good there done up, didn't realize she was that cute


ERASA   Germany. Jun 05 2016 02:25. Posts 2440

I disagree, she is a smokeshow 100%... CYA... *Schaub voice*


traxamillion   United States. Jun 05 2016 02:26. Posts 10468

I really don't like guida


jvilla777   Australia. Jun 05 2016 02:26. Posts 1348

Dariush turned into a super saiyan in that fight

longple: ur missing the point! this is an attempt to get away from the bumhuntmentality! 

Sliggy   Australia. Jun 05 2016 02:35. Posts 742

Fuck off Clay Guida LOL

sup 

PuertoRican   United States. Jun 05 2016 02:40. Posts 13047

Bruce Buffer really dug deep in the well to make Guida sound relevant with his Strikeforce lightweight belt from March 10, 2006.

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ERASA   Germany. Jun 05 2016 02:43. Posts 2440

a title for the ages


traxamillion   United States. Jun 05 2016 02:43. Posts 10468

Haha, shit. Well orteGA needs to switch something up before he loses this decision


PuertoRican   United States. Jun 05 2016 02:44. Posts 13047

Brian Ortega with that Roger Gracie level striking.

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ERASA   Germany. Jun 05 2016 02:55. Posts 2440

ok sick ko... but i had ortega ATLEAST winning the 3rd maybe even the 2nd... seems like rogan/goldberg were very sure about guida winning...


traxamillion   United States. Jun 05 2016 02:56. Posts 10468

Wow sick 3rd round and finish. He may have needed that depending on how they scored the 2nd. OrteGA must feel great


soberstone   United States. Jun 05 2016 02:58. Posts 2662

Ortega looked fine.

He's a permanently slow starter and Guida is just a frustratingly gay opponent who happened to be on tonight.

Nice KO.


Baalim   Mexico. Jun 05 2016 03:02. Posts 34250

he was throwing that awkward leaning left uppercut and that knee all the time, he was clearly exploiting Guidas tendency to duck often

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traxamillion   United States. Jun 05 2016 03:13. Posts 10468

starting to sweat the BoBBy green Ganster we got here


PuertoRican   United States. Jun 05 2016 03:17. Posts 13047

Poirier = hits harder, better wrestling, and better BJJ.

Green = better boxer, better chin, better boxing defense

Both land about 4 significant strikes per minute, which is a lot.

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soberstone   United States. Jun 05 2016 03:17. Posts 2662

Pre-fight psychoanalysis.

Green looks loose, Poirier looks "forced" loose.


soberstone   United States. Jun 05 2016 03:20. Posts 2662

HAHAHHAHA

Keep talking Green.

Ktfo


traxamillion   United States. Jun 05 2016 03:21. Posts 10468

bobby trying to anderson silva


ERASA   Germany. Jun 05 2016 03:21. Posts 2440

lol nothing funnier than the shittalker getting ktfo


Sliggy   Australia. Jun 05 2016 03:21. Posts 742

Dickhead Green.

sup 

PuertoRican   United States. Jun 05 2016 03:23. Posts 13047

Another great performance by Dustin Poirier.

This is a good win for him cuz he beat a good boxer who has only been knocked out by 1 other fighter in 30 fights, and that was Tim Means in 2010.

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ERASA   Germany. Jun 05 2016 03:23. Posts 2440

funfact: the shot that dropped green in the end was in the back of the head (according to dustin) :D


traxamillion   United States. Jun 05 2016 03:23. Posts 10468

I got mouths to feed this how i eat!!


traxamillion   United States. Jun 05 2016 03:24. Posts 10468

re:gangstered him


traxamillion   United States. Jun 05 2016 03:25. Posts 10468


  On June 05 2016 02:23 ERASA wrote:
funfact: the shot that dropped green in the end was in the back of the head (according to dustin) :D



if ur face to face with the dude and he somehow gets it towards the back of the dome it isn't ur fault


PuertoRican   United States. Jun 05 2016 03:28. Posts 13047

I have a pretty decent stream if you guys need one: http://live.robinwidget.com/livematch...-rockhold-bisping-2-other-333744.html

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[GiTM]-Ace   United States. Jun 05 2016 03:36. Posts 1585

dam that stream is way better than mine lol

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ERASA   Germany. Jun 05 2016 03:41. Posts 2440


  On June 05 2016 02:25 traxamillion wrote:
Show nested quote +



if ur face to face with the dude and he somehow gets it towards the back of the dome it isn't ur fault

I know, but do you remember Poirier after the McG fight? To me both punches looked the same. I'm actually with you on that


ERASA   Germany. Jun 05 2016 03:41. Posts 2440

So now i have some money on lombard but i wouldnt mind one last h-bomb
edit: combined age 83, record?

 Last edit: 05/06/2016 03:44

Baalim   Mexico. Jun 05 2016 03:46. Posts 34250

wtf was Green doing? you do those antics if the opponent isnt throwing but Priorer was being pretty aggro

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traxamillion   United States. Jun 05 2016 03:49. Posts 10468

same erasa,

lombard is huge


traxamillion   United States. Jun 05 2016 03:50. Posts 10468

hendo just grew a new chin?


traxamillion   United States. Jun 05 2016 03:52. Posts 10468

hendo cant een through a headkick anymore


ERASA   Germany. Jun 05 2016 03:53. Posts 2440

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL DAFUQ :D :D :D


traxamillion   United States. Jun 05 2016 03:53. Posts 10468

LOL NEVERMIND


Sliggy   Australia. Jun 05 2016 03:54. Posts 742


  On June 05 2016 02:52 traxamillion wrote:
hendo cant een through a headkick anymore

sup 

PuertoRican   United States. Jun 05 2016 03:54. Posts 13047

Dan Henderson...

That mother fucker won't quit for nobody!

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soberstone   United States. Jun 05 2016 03:54. Posts 2662

HENDO OMG


whamm!   Albania. Jun 05 2016 03:55. Posts 11625

Lombard dead?


traxamillion   United States. Jun 05 2016 03:55. Posts 10468

not rly sure what lombard was doing there in rd 2


soberstone   United States. Jun 05 2016 03:55. Posts 2662

THE HBOW!


ERASA   Germany. Jun 05 2016 03:56. Posts 2440

is lombard ok? herb didnt even raise hendos hand...


Baalim   Mexico. Jun 05 2016 04:00. Posts 34250


  On June 05 2016 02:55 traxamillion wrote:
not rly sure what lombard was doing there in rd 2



it was a very active R1 and he is way too big I think he was simply resting, he was absolutely still

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traxamillion   United States. Jun 05 2016 04:00. Posts 10468

hectors family no offense but lol genetics. Hot wife marries an ugly dude and all 3 daughters look significantly less attractive than than their mother


traxamillion   United States. Jun 05 2016 04:02. Posts 10468

haha the HBOW


Minsk   United States. Jun 05 2016 04:02. Posts 1558

He was trying to catch Dan's timing..but simply wow.
I had bets on him and on the U1.5, hes never been KOed his whole career.


Sliggy   Australia. Jun 05 2016 04:02. Posts 742


  On June 05 2016 03:00 traxamillion wrote:
hectors family no offense but lol genetics. Hot wife marries an ugly dude and all 3 daughters look significantly less attractive than than their mother



*Hendo's

sup 

traxamillion   United States. Jun 05 2016 04:03. Posts 10468

Lombard busted several holloway, cruz, rockhold stacks. gonna have to double down on holloway now


ERASA   Germany. Jun 05 2016 04:04. Posts 2440

What up with Charles Olivera, love seeing him fight (if he makes weight)


traxamillion   United States. Jun 05 2016 04:04. Posts 10468


  On June 05 2016 03:02 Minsk wrote:
He was trying to catch Dan's timing..but simply wow.
I had bets on him and on the U1.5, hes never been KOed his whole career.



least the u1.5 came through, that was a smart bet


traxamillion   United States. Jun 05 2016 04:04. Posts 10468

lamas is pretty good im sweating this


PuertoRican   United States. Jun 05 2016 04:07. Posts 13047

McGregor vs. Diaz #2 @ UFC 202.

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traxamillion   United States. Jun 05 2016 04:07. Posts 10468

lamas with the mini mullet


Baalim   Mexico. Jun 05 2016 04:09. Posts 34250

this is actually the best fight of the night

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traxamillion   United States. Jun 05 2016 04:09. Posts 10468

nice, Mcgregor will have so much time to get ready for 170 (if they fight there again which i imagine they do) he will def look a lot better and prob be a decent favorite


soberstone   United States. Jun 05 2016 04:18. Posts 2662

Man.... that TDD.... Holloway is just a sav.


ERASA   Germany. Jun 05 2016 04:22. Posts 2440

the way the fights went today i would say lamas by ko :D


PuertoRican   United States. Jun 05 2016 04:23. Posts 13047

The cameramen were out of position on several occasions during Round 2 of Holloway/Lamas... Bastards!

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traxamillion   United States. Jun 05 2016 04:24. Posts 10468

hopefully those guilootine bricks dont backfire, holloway a sav


traxamillion   United States. Jun 05 2016 04:29. Posts 10468

what a boss. Points at the ground and goes all in with win in hand.


ERASA   Germany. Jun 05 2016 04:29. Posts 2440

so stupid....


traxamillion   United States. Jun 05 2016 04:30. Posts 10468

lamas throwing up his hands ans talking a little shit at the end might have brought that on and increased his equity.


traxamillion   United States. Jun 05 2016 04:30. Posts 10468

hahahaha that was so fucking sick

<3 hollloway


Sliggy   Australia. Jun 05 2016 04:30. Posts 742

I love M.H.

sup 

ERASA   Germany. Jun 05 2016 04:33. Posts 2440

anyone else super not excited for this next fight? :/


soberstone   United States. Jun 05 2016 04:33. Posts 2662

rofl Holloway just so confident putting it all the line cuz fuckit I'm better than you... <3 <3 <3


[GiTM]-Ace   United States. Jun 05 2016 04:33. Posts 1585

yea max is the shit. Looking forward to his future fights

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Baalim   Mexico. Jun 05 2016 04:33. Posts 34250


  On June 05 2016 03:29 ERASA wrote:
so stupid....



nah man, dont forget this is a show after all, you dont make money by winning fights, you make money by making fans and that was great

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jvilla777   Australia. Jun 05 2016 04:35. Posts 1348

HallowaR yeah bruhhhhh!

longple: ur missing the point! this is an attempt to get away from the bumhuntmentality! 

PuertoRican   United States. Jun 05 2016 04:36. Posts 13047

Brock Lesnar vs. The Brooklyn Brawler @ UFC 200.

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ERASA   Germany. Jun 05 2016 04:36. Posts 2440

Lesnar vs Hunt?


ERASA   Germany. Jun 05 2016 04:37. Posts 2440

My guess is they try to make Lesnar vs Fedor and if that doesnt happen it will be hunt


jvilla777   Australia. Jun 05 2016 04:37. Posts 1348


  On June 05 2016 03:33 Baalim wrote:
Show nested quote +



nah man, dont forget this is a show after all, you dont make money by winning fights, you make money by making fans and that was great



That's true the more popular u r the more cash monies go your way and promoted more

longple: ur missing the point! this is an attempt to get away from the bumhuntmentality! 

whamm!   Albania. Jun 05 2016 04:38. Posts 11625

Fador hopefully?


jvilla777   Australia. Jun 05 2016 04:39. Posts 1348

Lesnar vs Fedor...... Holtz

longple: ur missing the point! this is an attempt to get away from the bumhuntmentality! 

PuertoRican   United States. Jun 05 2016 04:39. Posts 13047


  On June 05 2016 03:37 ERASA wrote:
My guess is they try to make Lesnar vs Fedor and if that doesnt happen it will be hunt



That would be an interesting fight.

One of the smallest elite heavyweights vs. one of the largest "elite" heavyweights. One has the striking and submission advantage from the top, while the other guy has the strength and wrestling advantage.

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soberstone   United States. Jun 05 2016 04:39. Posts 2662

Lesnar vs who?


whamm!   Albania. Jun 05 2016 04:39. Posts 11625

I hope Faber smashes this decision machine gayweather


ERASA   Germany. Jun 05 2016 04:40. Posts 2440

I wonder how it works isnt WWE Lesnar on the juice?


flounder44   United States. Jun 05 2016 04:40. Posts 916

cmon faber one time, do it for the 916!


Minsk   United States. Jun 05 2016 04:41. Posts 1558

Max Holloway, Tony Ferguson both bring it every time in spectacular fashion. They're starting to remind me of each other, and along with some other fighters make up the new school elite.

Luke Rockhold, Max Holloway, Tony Ferguson, Garbrandt, Stipe Miocic, Connor McGregor are all excellent.

And Lamas is even more sneaky and underrated, deep into that style like a deep lake than it initially seemed, hes going to keep upsetting very very good fighters because his trickery/leveling game is probably the best in MMA.


whamm!   Albania. Jun 05 2016 04:42. Posts 11625

Faber looks more ripped than usual, I hope he did some roids just for this fight lol


ERASA   Germany. Jun 05 2016 04:46. Posts 2440

Helwani tweeting that barnett wants the lesnar fight


ERASA   Germany. Jun 05 2016 04:54. Posts 2440

Much better than i expected


Minsk   United States. Jun 05 2016 04:54. Posts 1558

Happy with this so far, doubled down on Urijah Faber after losing a few other bets.


traxamillion   United States. Jun 05 2016 04:55. Posts 10468

dom's got leg/feet probs? also not throwin much


Minsk   United States. Jun 05 2016 05:01. Posts 1558

I wish he kept his hands up a bit higher here though.


soberstone   United States. Jun 05 2016 05:05. Posts 2662

Cruz def injured coming into this fight. 100 %


ERASA   Germany. Jun 05 2016 05:06. Posts 2440


  On June 05 2016 04:05 soberstone wrote:
Cruz def injured coming into this fight. 100 %


i was thinking the same...


PuertoRican   United States. Jun 05 2016 05:09. Posts 13047

Blehhh...

Cruz vs. Faber ruined my mood. I was enjoying the fights despite all of my DK teams losing, but now I'm not even enjoying the fights cuz of these two.

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ERASA   Germany. Jun 05 2016 05:10. Posts 2440

"you see a better dominick tonight..." or he if fighting someone much weaker...


traxamillion   United States. Jun 05 2016 05:10. Posts 10468

rogan trippin, he looks way worse this fight than last...


Baalim   Mexico. Jun 05 2016 05:17. Posts 34250

Much better last round though

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traxamillion   United States. Jun 05 2016 05:21. Posts 10468

forgot to take the over on this fight, dumb


traxamillion   United States. Jun 05 2016 05:23. Posts 10468

least he isn't being super douchey in this postfight and showing some respect to faber


traxamillion   United States. Jun 05 2016 05:25. Posts 10468

even though i had multiple bets and parlays on Cruz i would have loved to somehow see faber get a belt finally

 Last edit: 05/06/2016 05:26

PuertoRican   United States. Jun 05 2016 05:27. Posts 13047

Faber has looked worse over the years, which is no secret. I just hoped he would've tried a little harder like he made everyone think. He still does the thing where he will go into super defensive mode once he knows he can't hurt his opponent within the first 2 rounds. He rather survive and lose a decision instead of going out on his shield.

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ERASA   Germany. Jun 05 2016 05:33. Posts 2440

Rooting for Bisping here


ERASA   Germany. Jun 05 2016 05:42. Posts 2440

Rogan still going with the debunked MCL tear story.... the hype is real :D


PuertoRican   United States. Jun 05 2016 05:44. Posts 13047


  On June 05 2016 04:33 ERASA wrote:
Rooting for Bisping here



I'm rooting for Bisping, too, but he has no outs unless he can somehow swarm Rockhold early and rock him and get a TKO.

Since Bisping is an outside fighter who lacks power & speed in his punches & kicks, he'll never be able to land many clean shots on the taller + longer fighter who is pretty good at slipping punches. When they are up close, Bisping can't let himself clinch with Rockhold, or else he'll get muscled to the ground via a trip or a drag; Rockhold doesn't use single nor double leg take downs from what I've seen.

Since Bisping is an outside fighter who lacks speed and power, Rockhold can use his various kicks to keep the distance and keep the pace of the fight at the speed he wants it. If Bisping comes in to counter a kick, he'll get clinched and then taken down.

Just a terrible match-up for Bisping.

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soberstone   United States. Jun 05 2016 05:48. Posts 2662

OMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMG


traxamillion   United States. Jun 05 2016 05:49. Posts 10468

lol wut


ERASA   Germany. Jun 05 2016 05:49. Posts 2440

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS


PuertoRican   United States. Jun 05 2016 05:50. Posts 13047

Holy shit, I'm like 3 minutes behind.

All I'm reading is Bisping won!


OMG OMG OMG! Fight hasn't even started for me yet!

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traxamillion   United States. Jun 05 2016 05:50. Posts 10468

luke looked depressed in there.

thanks for busting 6 parlays and costing me some cnotes fuckboy luke rockhold


Sliggy   Australia. Jun 05 2016 05:50. Posts 742

LOL

sup 

whamm!   Albania. Jun 05 2016 05:50. Posts 11625

lol


traxamillion   United States. Jun 05 2016 05:51. Posts 10468

so souza just mauls bispsing next?


soberstone   United States. Jun 05 2016 05:51. Posts 2662

That's for my money the biggest upset in UFC history. I'm sorry Cam, know how that feels.


[GiTM]-Ace   United States. Jun 05 2016 05:52. Posts 1585


  On May 31 2016 09:55 Baalim wrote:
this UFC card should be called "bully beatdown" lol so many fighters drawing dead, Bisping, Faber and Hendo.. come on.



too bad faber couldnt make the impossible happen lol

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traxamillion   United States. Jun 05 2016 05:52. Posts 10468

bispings daughter is hot


K40Cheddar   United States. Jun 05 2016 05:54. Posts 2202

Feeling real good about slapping down that fat -600 bet on rockhold thinking it was free money and a "lock". fuck the ufc

GG 

whamm!   Albania. Jun 05 2016 05:54. Posts 11625

I felt happy Bisping and Hendo won today. Waiting for Fedor to return haha


traxamillion   United States. Jun 05 2016 05:54. Posts 10468

yea oh well, wish i just handnt bet it and i would be really stoked bisping won lol


soberstone   United States. Jun 05 2016 05:55. Posts 2662


  On June 05 2016 04:51 traxamillion wrote:
so souza just mauls bispsing next?



Nah gotta give Luke the rematch and sell the whole "was it really an upset" thing


Minsk   United States. Jun 05 2016 05:55. Posts 1558

I'm through with betting on this. I have no idea. It's too unpredictable.


Baalim   Mexico. Jun 05 2016 05:55. Posts 34250


  On June 05 2016 04:52 [GiTM]-Ace wrote:
Show nested quote +



too bad faber couldnt make the impossible happen lol


lol it would have been the worst day in book-keepers history

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soberstone   United States. Jun 05 2016 05:56. Posts 2662

Which it was and Luke should still be a huge favorite in a rematch even though he's clearly a little chinny


traxamillion   United States. Jun 05 2016 05:56. Posts 10468


  On June 05 2016 04:55 Minsk wrote:
I'm through with betting on this. I have no idea. It's too unpredictable.



the unpredictability is what potentially offers an edge though


Montrachet   Canada. Jun 05 2016 06:01. Posts 120

There are two shots for which you don't need much power to KO the guy. Behind the ear, and downwards on the chin. Bisping landed one of them. Luke never had his hands up and preferred to turn his back while running. He has some bad habits he needs to lose.


Baalim   Mexico. Jun 05 2016 06:02. Posts 34250

what the fuck was Rockhold doing, darting in with a single jab and then retreating straight blindly and clearly disoriented (he had no clue where Bisping was), its as if he saw Cruz and thought "hey I gotta try that shit" and failed miserably

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PuertoRican   United States. Jun 05 2016 06:04. Posts 13047

Sick win for Bisping! My stream was like 5+ minutes behind...

I got raped hard on DraftKings tonight, but it all happened during the first 3 fights. Even after the first 3 fights, I kept losing my picks, so it didn't matter... ...FUCK YOU PAY-PER-VIEWS!!!

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ERASA   Germany. Jun 05 2016 06:05. Posts 2440

Can't wait for Werdums trashtalk now :D


PuertoRican   United States. Jun 05 2016 06:14. Posts 13047




  On June 05 2016 05:05 ERASA wrote:
Can't wait for Werdums trashtalk now :D



Werdum can't say a god damn thing... He got knocked the fuck out too! xD

----------

Side note: Bisping was 33/1 to win in round 1. A couple of guys on Sherdog bet on it with small amounts and won a ton.

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jvilla777   Australia. Jun 05 2016 06:16. Posts 1348

this is a crazy game

longple: ur missing the point! this is an attempt to get away from the bumhuntmentality! 

Minsk   United States. Jun 05 2016 06:16. Posts 1558


  On June 05 2016 04:56 traxamillion wrote:
Show nested quote +



the unpredictability is what potentially offers an edge though


The true answer thats deeper is that, in life people generally get EV based on their value, and there isn't much value to sportsbetting for society. At best, if you're really good your role becomes helping the bookies adjust their lines.

I've just spent too much time on it, arrogantly, thinking it should be easy, and have too many other things on my plate.
I will have to look for a more mellow less high-risk/high-reward more value to society form of investing. Stocks and Real-Estate investing both theoretically fit that description better than sportsbetting.

It's a lot about I sijmply have too many other things to do, I feel like if you want to sportsbet, you have to pretty much commit your life to it. I also constantly feel behind on information to bookies and the market, as I have no insider information. Get drained by wig, and also get drained by match fixing. It was fun.

Best of luck to you guys.


soberstone   United States. Jun 05 2016 06:19. Posts 2662


  On June 05 2016 04:56 traxamillion wrote:
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the unpredictability is what potentially offers an edge though


Fsho but that wasn't Holm v Rousey. That was a straight retard upset.


traxamillion   United States. Jun 05 2016 06:22. Posts 10468

yea it was


PuertoRican   United States. Jun 05 2016 06:33. Posts 13047


  On June 05 2016 05:16 Minsk wrote:
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The true answer thats deeper is that, in life people generally get EV based on their value, and there isn't much value to sportsbetting for society. At best, if you're really good your role becomes helping the bookies adjust their lines.

I've just spent too much time on it, arrogantly, thinking it should be easy, and have too many other things on my plate.
I will have to look for a more mellow less high-risk/high-reward more value to society form of investing. Stocks and Real-Estate investing both theoretically fit that description better than sportsbetting.

It's a lot about I sijmply have too many other things to do, I feel like if you want to sportsbet, you have to pretty much commit your life to it. I also constantly feel behind on information to bookies and the market, as I have no insider information. Get drained by wig, and also get drained by match fixing. It was fun.

Best of luck to you guys.



All I do is go to university and watch MMA. Even I have a lot of trouble with picking winners in MMA, and I've literally seen every UFC fight since December 2009 (not counting The Ultimate Fighter).

Also, you need to be knowledgeable about MMA before you start betting it, otherwise you'll be a long term loser. People often go on good runs and win money in the beginning, but the longer they play, the more they'll lose because they don't know the ins and outs of the sport. Lastly, bankroll management is key, but most people aren't able to control their emotions and adjust their bet size when they are losing (I'm guilty of this).

If you feel like you know enough about MMA and have lost a lot of money betting on it, I'd suggest taking a break for a few UFC events and just pick fights without betting any money on them. Also, you can switch to fantasy betting like I did. Fantasy betting can be stressful, but you're not losing much money if you only make 3-4 teams in the $3 events with guaranteed prize pools that range from $25k to $75k.

These UFC threads will be here as long as LP is up and running, so feel free to come back whenever you feel like it, if at all.

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Baalim   Mexico. Jun 05 2016 06:40. Posts 34250

watching all the fights would be 1st step, but to be a real good bettor you would require deep understanding of fighting like Jack Slack for example, now thats a guy that with some training in odds etc he would do very well

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TimDawg    United States. Jun 05 2016 07:06. Posts 10197

I couldn't watch the fights but I saw on Twitter the UFC escorted Ariel Helwani (along with other media) out before the Bisbing fight and apparently he was given a lifetime media ban.

Anyone know wtf happened?

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K40Cheddar   United States. Jun 05 2016 07:14. Posts 2202

He wrote an article on mmafighting.com breaking the new about Brock Lesnar being on the UFC 200 card, apparently before that information was supposed to be shared with anyone. If you are getting banned for life when reporting insider sports news, then I'm pretty sure the entire media of every major network should be banned as well.

GG 

PuertoRican   United States. Jun 05 2016 07:15. Posts 13047


  On June 05 2016 06:06 TimDawg wrote:
I couldn't watch the fights but I saw on Twitter the UFC escorted Ariel Helwani (along with other media) out before the Bisbing fight and apparently he was given a lifetime media ban.

Anyone know wtf happened?



Damn!

I'm currently watching the post-fight press conference and John Morgan asked what the problem was, but the guy in charge said he couldn't speak about it.

I know Ariel was fired from Fox Sports 1 earlier this year, which is why you don't see him do interviews for them anymore, but Ariel said they never said why they fired him. He assumes they don't like his weekly show(s) about what's going on in the MMA scene, where he'll address any problem that's going on, even if it puts the UFC in a negative light.

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K40Cheddar   United States. Jun 05 2016 07:29. Posts 2202

Rockhold in the postfight conference "I will come back and fucking kill you" LOL

GG 

PuertoRican   United States. Jun 05 2016 07:41. Posts 13047




Look at Hendo's face when Bisping is talking about knocking Rockhold out... lmao!

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traxamillion   United States. Jun 05 2016 08:05. Posts 10468

Faggot.. shit I shouldn't have said that.

Haha hope he doesn't get any shit for that


Drakk   Canada. Jun 05 2016 08:12. Posts 1199


  On June 05 2016 06:06 TimDawg wrote:
I couldn't watch the fights but I saw on Twitter the UFC escorted Ariel Helwani (along with other media) out before the Bisbing fight and apparently he was given a lifetime media ban.

Anyone know wtf happened?



According to twitter, it was because he leaaked the return of lesnar early

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milkman   United States. Jun 05 2016 08:29. Posts 5719

edit: nvm

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TimDawg    United States. Jun 05 2016 08:47. Posts 10197


  On June 05 2016 07:12 Drakk wrote:
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According to twitter, it was because he leaaked the return of lesnar early

Ridiculous move by the UFC. The guy was just doing his job...and a good one at that. I've always liked Ariel a lot.

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Baalim   Mexico. Jun 05 2016 10:52. Posts 34250

Well I guess it depends on how he got that information.

I like the guy but he seems to have a talent for making enemies

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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Jun 05 2016 10:56. Posts 9634

Damn just saw the event.
At first I thought Bisping just used his 1 outer, but Rockhold just did badly there exposing himself like that. Glad I didn't bet @ Rockhold


Stim_Abuser   United States. Jun 05 2016 11:35. Posts 7499

jfc wtf I don't even.


Michael Bisping... MW champ.. WTF.

lol

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whamm!   Albania. Jun 05 2016 11:55. Posts 11625

bisping is british so fag can't get him into trouble lol

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soberstone   United States. Jun 06 2016 03:00. Posts 2662

I guess Bisping KO'd him when they sparred too because he said right to his face that he's KO'd him "twice now" and he always does seem to bring up that sparring session


traxamillion   United States. Jun 06 2016 03:40. Posts 10468

Just seems weird he could eat a lot of clean shots from weidman and hang, but I guess none really caught him as open as the series from bisping.


PuertoRican   United States. Jun 06 2016 07:18. Posts 13047

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northsails   Bulgaria. Jun 06 2016 09:18. Posts 410

Rockhold ego got the better of him that night. The guy suddenly decided that He is the new coming in boxing and played right into Bisping's game. In every exchange prior to getting KO'd he looked sloppy and his chin was hanging straight up in the air. He is a cocky idiot and paid the price that night. No way more embarrassing to lose the belt, but being KO'd stiff by Michael Bisping. He also cost me a fortune. Laying the juice on such a shitty odds is never a bright idea, especially at a sport with so many variables.

Other than that the event was great. Dan Henderson laying out Lombard was fucking amazing. Hope he retires now on a high note. Doubt it, though.


Mortensen8   Chad. Jun 06 2016 15:24. Posts 1841

Why are they letting Lesnar in again he has an ffmi of 32.0 lol

Rear naked woke 

traxamillion   United States. Jun 06 2016 15:42. Posts 10468

Isn't 25 the natural upper limit? Lol


ToT)MidiaN(    United Kingdom. Jun 06 2016 20:17. Posts 5070

Rockhold sure is cocky. I don't much like Bisping either, but seeing Rockhold stiff was preferable

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PuertoRican   United States. Jun 07 2016 05:40. Posts 13047


  On June 06 2016 19:17 ToT)MidiaN( wrote:
Rockhold sure is cocky. I don't much like Bisping either, but seeing Rockhold stiff was preferable






Love him or hate him, Bisping will go down in history as the first ever UFC champion from the United Kingdom. Also, considering everything he has done for the UFC over the past 10 years, as well as the type of fighter he is, becoming champion couldn't have happened to a more deserving guy.

It'd be cool if he gets knighted for bringing the belt back to the UK.

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Baalim   Mexico. Jun 07 2016 07:02. Posts 34250

I think people are blaming this on overconfidence and shit but it was a technical mistake.



Rockhold needlesly over-extends a jab (he was close enough to just flick it without the need for that big step) when Bisping has a a dominant footing over him and he had no exit strategy nor a follow up, he just back pedaled in a straight line without even tucking his chin under his right shoulder or changing levels.

Anderson Silva usually gets in these spots where he is completely bladed almost giving the back and all he does is simply drop very low tucking his chin keeping his ground threatening the right hook, pretty often seen in boxers like Roy Jones, or as others like to do when they throw these kind of lancing jabs past the mark and follow up with a spinning elbow but Rockhold simply had no idea what to do there and got hit by that pretty nice "paw" that Bisping threw.

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cariadon   Estonia. Jun 07 2016 17:39. Posts 4019

Bisping big heart. He was hungry for the title. Grit and determination.


whamm!   Albania. Jun 08 2016 01:17. Posts 11625

all rockhard had to do was kick him bisping till his eyes fell off heh


PuertoRican   United States. Jun 08 2016 01:27. Posts 13047

The total card payout was $2,689,000.

Here's a look at what everyone made:


Michael Bisping: $250,000 (no win bonus)
Luke Rockhold: $250,000

Dominick Cruz: $350,000 (no win bonus)
Urijah Faber: $160,000

Max Holloway: $150,000 ($75,000 win bonus)
Ricardo Lamas: $53,000

Dan Henderson: $800,000 ($200,000 win bonus)
Hector Lombard: $53,000

Dustin Poirier: $110,000 ($55,000 win bonus)
Bobby Green: $24,000

Brian Ortega: $46,000 ($23,000 win bonus)
Clay Guida: $55,000

Beneil Dariush: $62,000 ($31,000 win bonus)
James Vick: $23,000

Jessica Andrade: $40,000 ($20,000 win bonus)
Jessica Penne: $20,000

Alex Caceres: $48,000 ($24,000 win bonus)
Cole Miller: $33,000

Sean Strickland: $46,000 ($23,000 win bonus)
Tom Breese: $19,000

Luis Henrique da Silva: $20,000 ($10,000 win bonus)
Jonathan Wilson: $12,000

Kevin Casey: $15,000
Elvis Mutapcic: $16,000

Polo Reyes: $24,000 ($12,000 win bonus)
Dong Hyun Kim: $10,000

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TianYuan    Korea (South). Jun 08 2016 06:21. Posts 6817

No wonder Henderson doesn't want to stop fighting, if he's making that kind of money.

Feels a bit low for both Bisping and Rockhold tho?

Hm.. Off-suite socks.. 

Stim_Abuser   United States. Jun 08 2016 08:08. Posts 7499


  On June 07 2016 06:02 Baalim wrote:
I think people are blaming this on overconfidence and shit but it was a technical mistake.


Rockhold needlesly over-extends a jab (he was close enough to just flick it without the need for that big step) when Bisping has a a dominant footing over him and he had no exit strategy nor a follow up, he just back pedaled in a straight line without even tucking his chin under his right shoulder or changing levels.

Anderson Silva usually gets in these spots where he is completely bladed almost giving the back and all he does is simply drop very low tucking his chin keeping his ground threatening the right hook, pretty often seen in boxers like Roy Jones, or as others like to do when they throw these kind of lancing jabs past the mark and follow up with a spinning elbow but Rockhold simply had no idea what to do there and got hit by that pretty nice "paw" that Bisping threw.



I mean obviously, pretty much anytime someone get's knocked out they made a technical mistake that led to it, but it was a mistake brought on by over confidence. Luke doesn't fight like that, he fights at a distance and throws kicks and looks to counter guys trying to close the distance, he's basically never charges forward like that. Just look at their first fight.

He basically had zero respect for Bisping, was massively over confident, and fought stupidly. Champs have been doing that lately, first Aldo, then Werdum, and now Rockhold.

I do agree Rockholds head movement and defense is pretty bad, but he doesn't get hit that much because he usually plays the distance game and kicks from the outside and jumps back and counters when attacked.

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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Jun 08 2016 12:58. Posts 9634


  On June 08 2016 05:21 TianYuan wrote:
No wonder Henderson doesn't want to stop fighting, if he's making that kind of money.

Feels a bit low for both Bisping and Rockhold tho?


I'm guessing you choose between no win bonus and % of PPV, % of PPV is much more rewarding if you re a top fighter considering you ll be put on good cards and get tons more. No idea how the system works on FN events though


alejandicto   . Jun 08 2016 20:09. Posts 865

Wow Henderson has a great manager :O


Baalim   Mexico. Jun 09 2016 05:59. Posts 34250


  On June 08 2016 07:08 Stim_Abuser wrote:
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I mean obviously, pretty much anytime someone get's knocked out they made a technical mistake that led to it, but it was a mistake brought on by over confidence. Luke doesn't fight like that, he fights at a distance and throws kicks and looks to counter guys trying to close the distance, he's basically never charges forward like that. Just look at their first fight.

He basically had zero respect for Bisping, was massively over confident, and fought stupidly. Champs have been doing that lately, first Aldo, then Werdum, and now Rockhold.

I do agree Rockholds head movement and defense is pretty bad, but he doesn't get hit that much because he usually plays the distance game and kicks from the outside and jumps back and counters when attacked.


Well yes but this wasnt Anderson Silva squaring up and leaning like neo vs Weidman type of mistake, this was simply Rockhold not fighting cautiously exposing his technical shortcomings, also champs cant always play super safe especially against weaker opponents, Aldo had been criticized harshly for cruising to decision instead of finishing fights (and rightfully so), so it was just Rockhold underestimating Bispings striking, but he overestimating his own.

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Stim_Abuser   United States. Jun 09 2016 10:32. Posts 7499


  On June 09 2016 04:59 Baalim wrote:
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Well yes but this wasnt Anderson Silva squaring up and leaning like neo vs Weidman type of mistake, this was simply Rockhold not fighting cautiously exposing his technical shortcomings, also champs cant always play super safe especially against weaker opponents, Aldo had been criticized harshly for cruising to decision instead of finishing fights (and rightfully so), so it was just Rockhold underestimating Bispings striking, but he overestimating his own.



Luke has never been to a decision in the UFC and has finished 13 of his 15 wins. I don't think that was a concern. And even if it was it's no reason to fight completely out of your comfort zone by leaping at Bisping with sloppy boxing.

Honestly Rockhold just thought like the rest of us. Bisping isn't that good and had almost no chance and doesn't even hit hard so he wasn't in much danger. That's the first time Bisping has legit KO'd someone in the UFC iirc.

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whamm!   Albania. Jun 09 2016 12:45. Posts 11625

Bisping winning over Silva gave him confidence to fight a little better than usual. If you watch the fight Bisping was connecting more and parrying more shots. Rockhard tried something new and got caught, I'd like to see a rematch between the two soon


Stim_Abuser   United States. Jun 09 2016 20:42. Posts 7499


  On June 09 2016 11:45 whamm! wrote:
Bisping winning over Silva gave him confidence to fight a little better than usual. If you watch the fight Bisping was connecting more and parrying more shots. Rockhard tried something new and got caught, I'd like to see a rematch between the two soon



From what I remember Bisping was winging a bunch of huge looping sloppy shots to the point they were consistently throwing him off balance.

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