STAR WARS 7 - Page 5

yeah some parts are quite good and some parts are quite shit

off the top of my head, the pacing at the beginning is bad. that is, the action is too fast considering we have no investment in any of the characters. finn and poe's meeting is good, but then the rey meeting, then han

rey's introduction was good, like it has backstory. Finn's was NOT good because his introduction was eclipsed by the introduction of Poe and Max Von Sydow and Darth Faker which all happened in like 3 minutes, and then Finn being in the sidelines, that just didn't work

there's emotional blending in this which resembles self-parody. some of it is good, like when han says how do we blow it up, and when c3po gets in the way when han and leia meet. some of it is bad like when people that i have no idea who they are were threatening han on his own ship and a cgi kraken was providing the imaginary tenseness as we knew none of the main characters were in danger

third death star is fine in principle, also because it's built into a planet or something, it's different this time. however, it was utilized terribly because it's not the size of the weapon per se that makes it menacing. so when it blows up those fucking planets that everyone in the audience is like uhh okay whatever those planets were, it's totally meaningless. even the main characters are looking up at the sky going oh my god, not those... planets... whatever they were

the Nazi symbolism with the first order was way too thick

the conversation han and leia have about darth faker is cringe terrible explanation. it's a conversation that doesn't make sense for those people to say to each other. if it were han or leia talking to someone else it would make sense, but it doesn't make sense for two parents to talk that way. like "by the way i saw our only son, the one who was born in 1985, graduated from UCLA and became an entrepreneur, lost all his money and had to become a lousy cpa in his grandfather's footsteps, that son"

another thing that happened way too fast was Rey's introduction to the lightsaber. this was actually a good idea. but the problem is all she did was walk down a staircase and through one door. the tone didn't have enough time to sink in. if she had wandered a little bit longer (The sequence it reminded me of was when Luke was walking around looking for Vader partway through the Empire duel) and the tension had been built up and that damn CGI barmaid hadn't interrupted the flashback INSTANTLY and been like "oh that lightsaber is calling to you!"

also the idea that han had never used chewie's crossbow before in like 50 years is bullshit

Good points Santafairy.

BB8 is not badly done

some people are praising Kylo Ren as a villain, he seems more like an Anakin-esque whiny bitch to me, possibly his mask was handled badly, it came off too early and then too often.

previously we have things like Obi-wan's hood, he takes it off and suddenly it's Alec Guinness, now that's a big reveal for 70s audiences and after that you don't need to hide Obi-wan's face. but the point of Vader, Jason Vorhees, basically anyone with a mask is they always have a mask on. even that guy in Naruto. i don't know if i'm supposed to know who the Kylo Ren actor is or something, but taking his mask off was quite a mistake. at least as far as taking it off in front of Rey was a mistake. I can definitely see it working if they had WAITED until the confrontation with Han. that was a big part of Vader's mask coming off ("son, let me look on you with my own eyes" which would have made a nice parallel, but as is, it doesn't mean anything to the audience to see Kylo Ren's face with Han if it's not for the first time, do you see what I mean? like here is the order of people seeing Kylo Ren's face:
1) the audience
2) Rey
3) Snoke
4) that First Order guy
5) Han Solo, his father, shortly before patricide

1 and 5 need to be next to each other for the emotional impact to work, this actually seems really basic. because Han's death itself I actually thought was quite good i'm not sure what the effect was supposed to be, i got sick of hearing the "thud" his mask makes when he drops it to the ground, it sounds like a dropping a helmet out of your inventory in Diablo. am I wrong here? would like to hear someone else's take

some shit was really awful, like what guy on the cutting board thought people wanted to hear C3PO say "Thank the maker" again. like some of these ideas are laughably bad that they ended up in the final cut. the film as a whole is above the prequels but it has these random moments that break your enjoyment and you're just like why did they fucking do that

problem with giving Chewie a big role is now Han's dead and we have to deal with Chewie despite him having no chemistry with anyone else. on the other hand, you sort of have to give Chewie a big role because who else would Han be with? i was not super impressed by Rey and Chewie flying off together

Luke? meh

Rey is a fairly good character though, the actress has serious sexual charisma, on par with Harrison Ford in the original trilogy. it's nice to have a woman in the films who isn't royalty. Finn is more like fake adrenaline, same as people noticed in the trailers, he's always out of breath, he's always trying to seem like he's in the middle of something exciting. not that I'm indicting his acting necessarily, but his character arc is weird at a writing/directing level

On December 21 2015 07:45 ggplz wrote: Good points Santafairy.

thanks, i'm glad i wasn't alone in being confused about how to feel when an ex-stormtrooper of 1 day was being slung around by tentacles through han solo's ship, by a monster that swallowed everyone else immediately in one bite, only to be rescued by his second best friend that he had just met that day. i think that's all my initial impressions. i might see again but not out of a compulsion that it's a home-run

Empire Strikes Back being my favorite film, I'm optimistic, although not certain, that this could be a setup to an amazing Episode 8

okay last things seriously:

On December 19 2015 10:03 PplusAD wrote: Story is basically non existend Some stuff was rally unnecessarily bad

yep. WHY are we looking for Luke?

On December 19 2015 10:03 PplusAD wrote: Music Soundtrack is below what i expected

this is also true and surprising, because the trailers had good soundtracks and the music was expertly used

Well, I'm not hopeful at all, they really fucked this up. The previous movies were toiled over by the minds and eyes of perfectionists but sadly that's not true at all any longer. Seems like whatever JJ Abrams touches ends up like this and they committed to these crappy actors probably for ep 8 & 9 at the very least. Totally disagree with you about Rey. This is star wars bro, there's no room for "fairly good characters", only freaking awesome ones. Black startrooper with feels defecting? Wtf, that's a total violation of Star Wars, not a character. Rey was specifically put in for the feminists, she wasn't "cool", I mean even young Anakin was cool. But hey, there's one for the scoreboard, another female in a great main Hollywood role because that's what it's all about: equality and all that, 50%, not casting strong young male actors, getting it done and actually making good stuff.

I definitely thought it was a good movie, undoubtedly far better than 1-2-3. Personally I liked the references to the old movies (Han, Leia, Luke, and lots of other more subtle references), I liked that they used the same guy for music, same guy who wrote 5-6, etc. They took a lot of the old movies and kept what was good and removed what wasn't (George Lucas). They had a tough job introducing a new droid and they did a more than fine job with BB8. Overall I came out satisfied seeing the movie, but obviously there's some really dumb things, most notably a map to a person who stands on the same spot for 10 years, and another bigger death star.

Rey was the only decent character in the entire movie. Leia was horrible.

Imo the whole thing with a stormtrooper deserting is just a bad story and makes no sense.
Kylo was a really shitty character. Anakin all over again but atleast anakin had some motives trying to save his lover's life etc. I mean common, Han and Leia's son just randomly joins the dark side for no reason, just because he thinks his grandfather was cool? He never even met him and Leia is supposed to be one of the most loving persons in the world yet she failed miserably with raising her child apparently.
Also Kylo is suuuper strong in the beginning of the movie, yet he barely defeats a stormtrooper in a light saber fight later on? Sigh.

All combat scenes were bad.

The Republic getting owned by a new deathstar and nobody cares, Luke doesn't care... Uuhh..

6/10 just because it's star wars I guess? Worse than 1-3 imo.

On December 21 2015 07:56 Santafairy wrote: some people are praising Kylo Ren as a villain, he seems more like an Anakin-esque whiny bitch to me, possibly his mask was handled badly, it came off too early and then too often.

I was skeptical of Darth Vader 2.0 from the previews, but then we learn that he literally is a wannabe Darth Vader. Part of me was relieved they got his backstory explained and mask off early because I thought they were going to milk that fake mysteriousness for another two movies. I mean I'm all for well-rounded characters, but the problem is that this is one of three young conflicted characters and he's being used as replacement for what could be a legitimately intimidating villain. Supreme leader Snoke (btw that's a terrible name for an archvillain), isn't remotely scary at all, so far he just reminds of the orc from the Hobbit trilogy. Ginger Hitler doesn't do anything for me either and the female stormtrooper is just an awkward presence.

Granted, Darth Vader is one of the greatest villains of all time so trying to live up to him actually is an impossible task. Still, it seems like episode 7 hardly even tried. Killing Han Solo (which I am OK with in principle) was really just a cheap way to try and add depth and seriousness to Kylo Ren and the film in general.

So i went and saw it after all, only thing i can add is when Kaylo removed his mask on demand of Han Solo the whole room started laughing, pretty bad choice at antagonist

Feminist motif annoys me but it probably brings in lots of $$$ so from a free market perspective it's whatever I guess.

Hollywood is a huge joke with equal opportunity. I have heard about Aloha and The Martian was a huge joke with regards to discrimination against asian people (I'm an Asian male fed up wit Hollywood). Lots of opportunity to do the right thing without affecting $$$ bottom line but am disappointed pretty much every single time.

Other than that whole world being run over by women thing (lol) and the jedi always winning at the end thing (lol) I had a good time. I just zone out things I think are stupid and write my own ending. You can nitpick a million things and it's going to get you nowhere.

On December 21 2015 14:05 Nazgul wrote: I definitely thought it was a good movie, undoubtedly far better than 1-2-3. Personally I liked the references to the old movies (Han, Leia, Luke, and lots of other more subtle references), I liked that they used the same guy for music, same guy who wrote 5-6, etc. They took a lot of the old movies and kept what was good and removed what wasn't (George Lucas). They had a tough job introducing a new droid and they did a more than fine job with BB8. Overall I came out satisfied seeing the movie, but obviously there's some really dumb things, most notably a map to a person who stands on the same spot for 10 years, and another bigger death star.

agreed

love the Star Wars universe

the movies could all be so much better and 7 is no exception

nice casual popcorn movie but pretty forgettable

it's nice everything is fast paced and there is always something going on but would be nice if more of it made sense, have a few on top of what some people already posted but this one stands out:

Why is Rey beating a trained sith w/ a light sabre her first time using one? She's learning way too fast in general with 0 training, 0 exposure. Luke was fishing for quite a while even with obiwan 1on1 training and then whispering in his ear

Really surprised at the high ratings the movie is getting so far, imdb 8.7 (putting it in top 20 movies of all time) and rotten tomatoes 95%(!), guess those will come down a bit over time but wtf

I don't mind Ren's backstory being clear either, I just have a problem with the way it was explained. if you're in a star wars movie and you want your audience to know something just by telling them what it is, it should go in THE OPENING CRAWL. like "Luke Skywalker has disappeared. The son of Han Solo and Leia Organa has turned to the dark side." when Obi-wan was telling Luke about Vader's backstory in ANH, that was an interesting conversation because Luke was also learning things. when Han and Leia talk about Kylo Ren, it's just cringe, the conversation doesn't flow at all

more things i thought of:
-starkiller base conveniently waits until the heroes finish their lightsaber duel and leave before it explodes
-multicultural x-wing pilots that we've never met and don't care about including lando calrisian's space mexican copilot from return of the jedi
-another fat x-wing pilot
-the guy who blew up starkiller base doesn't do enough talking to guide the action which makes that scene boring because you're just waiting for it to get destroyed instead of following closely what's happening

in this movie all the characters know each other too well. particularly when the characters are on opposite sides, but also when they meet and instantly become best friends. the relationships don't develop naturally, unlike in A New Hope. like why are Kylo Ren and Rey getting into each other's heads so much, why does Kylo Ren care about a random stormtrooper

i think this is the first star wars movie where someone says the word "boyfriend" and call me whatever but that was really obnoxious. certain parts of dialogue like this are out of place in an epic movie. that's NOT to say people need to be stale zombies like in the prequels. but in the original trilogy it was clear these people were larger than life. the sexual tension among han/luke/leia in the OT was great ("You think a princess, and a guy like me...?" "No" and in this movie it's replaced by "u got boyfriend??"
-and when Poe gets captured at the beginning and is like "lol who talks first i talk first u talk first?" Star Wars isn't a sitcom, that line gave the movie AIDS from the beginning, I would say it's unbelievable that some of this stuff is in the movie, but one look at Star Trek and it's not surprising.

I don't know why I'm coming back to The Dark Knight but that was a great movie to watch. there's never a moment in TDK that panders or annoys me. the tone is TDK is perfect, but it still incorporates humor and we can see real emotional conflicts between characters. it's an epic movie. maybe my tastes are no better than anyone else's, but if you ask me, it's about tone, that's why people like Pulp Fiction. i don't want to see a Star Wars movie "trying" to be funny. that leads to Gungans stepping in piles of shit. humor is great, like when Han is trying to ravish Leia and C3PO interrupts them. am i wrong here? i feel like there is a difference. if C3PO had interrupted Han and Leia in Empire by saying something like "oh it looks like i've caused a failed docking hue hue hue hue hue," it would be different. but it didn't happen that way, C3PO is just a retard. i don't like when a character in a movie says something that basically means "hi audience, this part is supposed to be funny, so that's your cue to laugh"

everything that was CGI stuck out terribly. including Rey's boss on Jakku, the fucking monster on Han's ship, the creepy bitch in the cantina.

when Simon Pegg showed up on Han Solo's ship, it was like the actor wasn't even convinced he should be there. first thing he says is "you're a dead man *yawn*" then dies 2 minutes later

if that stormtrooper that Rey did the mind trick on was Daniel Craig then that was great

the meeting where they plan the attack on Starkiller base is too communist, there is no clear hierarchy of command in the rebels. everyone is just standing around in a circle like a bunch of hippies. on one hand we see admiral akbar, han solo, general leia, and on the other hand there's some random asian guy doing a bunch of talking while the characters we accept as leaders are like cameos

I disagree with Nazgul about "subtle" references in general:

the Falcon reveal is classic, it was perfect, the problem is for like 30 minutes after that it's nothing but fan service. once they're on the falcon it's like oh here's the turret, you liked that right? here's the turret computer, remember that? here's the compartment for hiding, see it's star wars again, here's the repair compartment when space tools fell on Han after the Falcon flew into an asteroid field in E5, now Rey is in it haha see it's star wars again, here's the holographic game, look Finn accidentally turned it on haha! this chain of callbacks was annoying

a lot of things weren't bad though, like Poe crouching to give a secret message to a droid (copying Leia/R2), a trench for the x-wings on Starkiller base, the "emperor" being a huge hologram. these things seemed to fit better, whereas a lot of shit about the Falcon was sort of thrown in for no reason

why was the new emperor CGI though. he's even CGI in-universe. a CGI hologram. the fuck

one thing that i don't know what to make of it was as soon as Han says to Chewie "let's meet back here later" it was really obvious Han was about to die, I think that might be obvious even to someone who hadn't been informed ahead of time, I'm not saying this is a bad thing, I really don't know what to make of it, I think it was actually good. as I said before I liked the way Han's death was handled, it's one of the only properly paced things in the movie, and I think that line helped set the doom-mood

the very final shot wasn't good, the helicopter shot of rey and luke, i'm not a cinematographer but it was like luke's back, rey's face, luke's face, rey's face, lightsaber, rey's face luke's face, then suddenly a far away helicopter shot of two people who could just as easily be stunt doubles facing each other, then credits. kind of messed up the mood, JJ Abrams just seems to like circles

agree with smuft about Rey adapting too fast, I think it's tied to the pacing of the movie, it needed more downtime from action. i guess the director who was a huge star wars fan and wanted the same things we did, like physical sets and real effects, thought we wanted to see a space kraken killing a bunch of disposable characters instead of using that time to watch Rey learn about the fucking force like Luke did in ANH. space kraken was more like a bad indiana jones scene, not in character for Han Solo at all. despite being a smuggler, he's not in a cartoon, it's star wars

money-grubbing douchebags. it was not exactly the star wars version of terminator genisys but it's not too far away. it's almost as though there was a lack of confidence in the new leads to carry the movie on their own without all these callbacks. i think the space chess set on the falcon is just the best example, because that's a scene in A New Hope that was about killing time on a long space trip, just sitting around and talking, giving the audience more depth to the characters, letting us watch Luke discover the force, watch how Han thinks it's all bunk. in E7 the same space chess set is slapstick

huge blockbusters get rating inflated nowadays on IMDB and stuff. same thing happened with the hobbits. it really is true that people need to like expensive movies or something, like the movie is an authority and if they treat a huge movie just like any other, instead of special because it's $200 million or whatever, they don't feel allowed to notice it's shit or something

I just hate how Finn has no backstory. anyway, this movie actually has no rewatch value. then again, I don't know that I've rewatched any SW movies over the age of 18, maybe it's just a kids' thing. I swear Empire is the only one that's an actual film.

a weird idea I had was that Rey might be related to Obi-wan somehow. it doesn't sound very plausible now, maybe because Kylo Ren was "Ben Solo" I thought it would be a fitting twist for Rey to actually be related to Obi-wan. OH, I remember, I thought it was an explanation for R2D2 waking up - in A New Hope, R2D2 considered Obi-wan his master, so I thought it would be fitting for him to "wake up" in the presence of a Kenobi

anyway what I'm saying has stopped being intelligible, basically I'm leaning towards overall this movie doesn't make it

On December 22 2015 18:17 Smuft wrote: love the Star Wars universe the movies could all be so much better and 7 is no exception nice casual popcorn movie but pretty forgettable it's nice everything is fast paced and there is always something going on but would be nice if more of it made sense, have a few on top of what some people already posted but this one stands out: Why is Rey beating a trained sith w/ a light sabre her first time using one? She's learning way too fast in general with 0 training, 0 exposure. Luke was fishing for quite a while even with obiwan 1on1 training and then whispering in his ear Really surprised at the high ratings the movie is getting so far, imdb 8.7 (putting it in top 20 movies of all time) and rotten tomatoes 95%(!), guess those will come down a bit over time but wtf

Really didn't like that one either. Excuse makers refer to Chewie shooting him beforehand but it is just over the top to me, same for Finn holding his own.

So many things wrong in the movie.

- Sun sucking superweapon. Really? You know how much energy is in a star? Suck up 0,01% of that energy and the planetthing would blow up. What the hell do they do after the sun is gone? They can't live on that planet anymore.

- Girl beating a sith apprentice (albeit injured sith apprentice). Come on. At least give her some training in the movie beforehand. Now it's like, be in an impossible spot (on a cliff, lightsaber to the face), close your eyes and suddenly you are able to beat an apprentice sith? What's with the sith guy not just grabbing her neck again with that force grab thingy dark force users can do? Or just push her of a cliff.

- Ok so super weapon failed. Entire republic army and planets are gone. They KNOW where the rebel base is. So the super weapon dies and everyone is happy on the rebel planet? They could have just sent their 50 frigates over and bombed the planet to shit.

- No character development in the movie apart from girl going from scavenger to full jedi in 2 days.

So movie 7 was basically a worse movie 4. Everything was super predictable. Young apprentice jedi gets help from old guy and old guy dies in the movie to the bad guy dark force user. There's a super weapon that a few rebels in a bunch of rag-tag heaps of crap are able to just.. destroy. Everyone is incapable as fuck. Except for 20 year old girl, who kicks everyone's ass and suddenly, without any knowledge of it beforehand, gets the jedi mind trick thingy in 3 tries.

Movie 1 was better than 7.

End rant. At least it was enjoyable but there's no way it deserves the hype it's getting and it certainly doesn't deserve the ratings it's getting. It's worth like.. a 6,5 on IMDB or something. Nice nostalgia moments (which were too many) and the actors did decently with what they got. Lightsaber battle is worse than the one in episode 5. Yeah they're not very advanced, but make it a little more exciting .

is this not the first Star Wars movie to feature blood?

I mean not in passing like a midichlorian test, but as in someone is hurt and they are literally bleeding?

and who's the first person in the franchise we see bleed? a random stormtrooper. and why does he bleed? so he can put his bloody hand mark on one of the lead's helmets because we can't tell the lead, a stormtrooper, apart from all the other stormtroopers without this identifying mark

and who is the second person to bleed? a villain we already consider weak as shit? any other blood that i'm missing? in Matrix Reloaded, when Neo bleeds it's corny as shit on paper, but effective for the context

agree with twisted about 6.5 on imdb, that's about right

the lightsaber duel was definitely weird as shit. the people who made this probably felt it was necessary to have a duel in every movie. and that might even be true. but it doesn't work to kill Han Solo and then have a 3way duel between a bunch of people we don't care about knowing full well a second person isn't going to die. does that make sense? like in A New Hope, Vader actually kills Obi-wan. in Empire Luke loses a hand. in Jedi, Vader and Luke duel, but the duel itself isn't exactly what causes Vader and the Emperor to die

in ANH, Luke's use of the force was very slight. he blocked some laser pings while blinded, and he shot a torpedo without a computer, also shot the door to Vader when the Falcon was escaping the Death Star. the truth is Luke plays as a strong character anyway, just like Han does, who doesn't believe in the force at all. in this movie Rey is doing mind tricks and force pushes and pulls out of nowhere

in this duel, Finn starts off by turning on the lightsaber and saying something to the effect of "come at me bro" but then he charges Kylo Ren and starts wailing. doesn't make sense

then a little bit later he charges at Ren again, and Ren casually steps aside. this reminded me of when Tim Roth is toying with a wounded Liam Neeson in Rob Roy.

also, when Rey force pulls the lightsaber past Ren, Ren should have just fucking caught it since it flew right in his face, that was a terrible fakeout

Wasn't that helmet that she put on at the beginning a Rebel helmet? when she hallucinate/senses BB8 over the ridge.

I think you guys are overlooking the good parts and focusing too much on the negative.

We saw a lot more possibility of the force that was being lost from previous prequels. The scene where Kylo stops the blast in mid air was straight gangster and the display of mind reading capabilities showed so much more potential to the force. To me, Kylo completed this movie and Han Solo's part in bringing the old together with the new couldnt be done better. The build up leading up to his death by his son captured me so well and the scene where Kylo ultimately takes his life made the little boy in me cry. That scene was the turning point for the raged filled confused little child who showed potential to be "seduced to the light side" taking his ultimate line of no return. Dark Vader made all his ultimate decision for others, ultimately sacrificing his life for his son. Ren is no Vader, but a much darker villain who would take his own father's life for himself.

Also, I think a lot of people missed this but the scene when Rey was united back with fin/chewy/solo in the death planet showed a lot about Rey. I was first confused as to why she would give such a heart warming hug to Finn but then it hit me that she was abandoned all her life and to have this guy he just met come back for her meant the world to her. I also wish that the person Leia hugged after they returned without Solo would've been chewy but I guess it would make sense if Ren is a skywalker.

not ep 7 related, but in ep 6 after luke defeats vader, why isnt he starting to attack the emperor? instead he throws his lightsabre on the floor

The only scene I really enjoyed was when Chewie went rampage mode after Han died. Other than that, pretty forgettable, and a terrible plot.

Not a big Star Wars fan at all.

This movie was exceptional. Great cast (Rey and Finn were just great). Great action, great humor. Everything was just great.