it was very enjoyable imo, thought it was fun. Like I sad before, starwars movies are mostly crap but they can be very entertaining. I cant understand people who praise eps 4-6. They are crap too, they are just very entertaining as well. I feel like there's way too much nit picking on the movie in this thread.
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LikeASet United States. Dec 25 2015 07:19. Posts 2113
Love the movie, seen it twice so far.
IMO just appreciate it as a classic good vs evil, fantasy/adventure movie. I appreciate the fact that I was entertained so much by something that didn't have to be overly dramatic action/wise with fancy fight choreography or tons of ridiculous slow-motion explosions and didn't involve superficial and unnecessary sexual/romantic scenes. The movie had a good amount of humorous parts, and even though certain events were predictable, they still successfully invoked strong emotional responses.
I feel that the people that are complaining about this movie or didn't enjoy it at all take the series way too seriously, or they watch every movie like its a Jason Borne movie. I also feel like the people that are complaining were going to complain no matter how the movie turned out.
Some characters do come out of nowhere but I think the movie does a good job balancing the retention of mystery and story unveiling, we all are going into this knowing that it's going to be a trilogy. I was slightly disappointed about the lack of Luke Sky walker in the movie, the early trailers with Luke's narration are very misleading. It is also kinda confusing how this evil empire was going unchecked long enough to gather enough resources and have enough time to build a planet-sized weapon that can destroy whole solar systems instantly.
Overall was the movie perfect? Probably not, but it's a movie I'm happy watching multiple times, paying the full movie ticket price, and then buying it when it comes out on DVD and just randomly watching down the road years from now with friends and family. On a scale of 1-10 I'd give this movie about a 9.5-9.75. I can see people giving this movie a 9, or even an 8, but to say that this movie is "crap" is hard for me to personally understand.
I'm glad you guys enjoyed it, surely that was their intention after all. However, there were unquestionably a lot of problems with it and that for me ruined the film. I could look at you the same way you assume things about me/us and write that you wouldn't take it too seriously, it's a movie, etc etc so you wouldn't complain regardless. A large part of it is your attitude when you watch it and how willing you are to let go of minor gripes. Gripes that do remain, however. Being non critical isn't an excuse to discredit other people's more critical opinions. Note that none of you have really challenged our critiques or complaints just stated they're overly critical or that you enjoyed it and didn't see it that way. There certainly were good parts but they were overshadowed by a constant stream of bad parts imho. For me, it's a fact the movie lacked the finesse, taste and mastery it deserved.
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i dont mean to challenge anyone's critique. my critique is exactly what you said: i think you are being overcritical. like complaining about the last scene:
the very final shot wasn't good, the helicopter shot of rey and luke, i'm not a cinematographer but it was like luke's back, rey's face, luke's face, rey's face, lightsaber, rey's face luke's face, then suddenly a far away helicopter shot of two people who could just as easily be stunt doubles facing each other, then credits. kind of messed up the mood, JJ Abrams just seems to like circles
like what
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also, when Rey force pulls the lightsaber past Ren, Ren should have just fucking caught it since it flew right in his face, that was a terrible fakeout
imo when you look at star wars from a cinematic/critic point of view then you cant enjoy the movie at all because the movies do suck from that point of view. If I were to overanalyze every superhero or scifi movie the same way you guys are doing with starwars then I'd probably give up on watching these kind of movies because I'd notice so many mistakes/stupid things. Just the idea of someone wearing an outfit such as Batman and having a deep voice like his is ridiculous that's where I'd start from and that would probably keep me from watching that movie.
But I don't disagree with most of your critique. I think they are very accurate on pretty much everything. I've said it before the movies: I dunno why I like SW. They are crap, the series is full of stupid holes, the trilogies are not well connected, Anakin's transformation was absolutely ridiculous, from a whiny Jedi to a 'younglings' killer in an blink of an eye. He never acted or looked like Vader, even for a second. But in the end I think the movies and the universe is very enjoyable and entertaining. Why? Because I chose not to pay attention to any of that when I'm watching a Star Wars movie. I just let it run and enjoy things I find cool. But to each his own I suppose.
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LikeASet United States. Dec 25 2015 18:09. Posts 2113
On December 25 2015 15:11 Raidern wrote:
i dont mean to challenge anyone's critique. my critique is exactly what you said: i think you are being overcritical. like complaining about the last scene:
the very final shot wasn't good, the helicopter shot of rey and luke, i'm not a cinematographer but it was like luke's back, rey's face, luke's face, rey's face, lightsaber, rey's face luke's face, then suddenly a far away helicopter shot of two people who could just as easily be stunt doubles facing each other, then credits. kind of messed up the mood, JJ Abrams just seems to like circles
like what
or
also, when Rey force pulls the lightsaber past Ren, Ren should have just fucking caught it since it flew right in his face, that was a terrible fakeout
imo when you look at star wars from a cinematic/critic point of view then you cant enjoy the movie at all because the movies do suck from that point of view. If I were to overanalyze every superhero or scifi movie the same way you guys are doing with starwars then I'd probably give up on watching these kind of movies because I'd notice so many mistakes/stupid things. Just the idea of someone wearing an outfit such as Batman and having a deep voice like his is ridiculous that's where I'd start from and that would probably keep me from watching that movie.
But I don't disagree with most of your critique. I think they are very accurate on pretty much everything. I've said it before the movies: I dunno why I like SW. They are crap, the series is full of stupid holes, the trilogies are not well connected, Anakin's transformation was absolutely ridiculous, from a whiny Jedi to a 'younglings' killer in an blink of an eye. He never acted or looked like Vader, even for a second. But in the end I think the movies and the universe is very enjoyable and entertaining. Why? Because I chose not to pay attention to any of that when I'm watching a Star Wars movie. I just let it run and enjoy things I find cool. But to each his own I suppose.
Gotta agree with Raidern,
All of these nit picks, you can find a million reasons to excuse them, or a million reasons to be critical of them.
During the second time watching the movie, I literally laughed out loud in the theater at the scene when it kept cutting between Luke's and the girl's faces just starting at each other, but I find it weird being in the mindset that people would be upset about it.
When Kylo tried to force pull the light saber out of the snow and didn't catch it, you can just say it's because he was surprised that it didn't fly in the trajectory he tried to pull it in, that he was severely injured, and he was out of focus and still super emotional after killing his own father.
I acknowledge and agree the fact GGplz stated that some people are too non-critical and some people too critical, but people forget that they're watching a fantasy movie where the improbable is supposed to happen. There is a threshold that can be broken, but I didn't find any significant moments that broke that threshold. You would watch this movie with the a different lens that you would watch the Star Trek series in, because that's a series that makes an attempt to stay within scientific reasoning and possible, likely situations that would arise when different alien civilizations try to cooperate with each other.
One example of a threshold being broken in an adventure movie was during the latest Indiana Jones movie, when Shia Lebouf's character started swinging on vines through the jungle with a bunch of monkeys in order to catch up to the villain riding on vehicles. During that moment I thought to myself, "Okay, now this is just stupid."
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Santafairy Korea (South). Dec 25 2015 19:55. Posts 2226
On December 25 2015 15:11 Raidern wrote:
i dont mean to challenge anyone's critique. my critique is exactly what you said: i think you are being overcritical. like complaining about the last scene:
the very final shot wasn't good, the helicopter shot of rey and luke, i'm not a cinematographer but it was like luke's back, rey's face, luke's face, rey's face, lightsaber, rey's face luke's face, then suddenly a far away helicopter shot of two people who could just as easily be stunt doubles facing each other, then credits. kind of messed up the mood, JJ Abrams just seems to like circles
like what
or
also, when Rey force pulls the lightsaber past Ren, Ren should have just fucking caught it since it flew right in his face, that was a terrible fakeout
imo when you look at star wars from a cinematic/critic point of view then you cant enjoy the movie at all because the movies do suck from that point of view. If I were to overanalyze every superhero or scifi movie the same way you guys are doing with starwars then I'd probably give up on watching these kind of movies because I'd notice so many mistakes/stupid things. Just the idea of someone wearing an outfit such as Batman and having a deep voice like his is ridiculous that's where I'd start from and that would probably keep me from watching that movie.
But I don't disagree with most of your critique. I think they are very accurate on pretty much everything. I've said it before the movies: I dunno why I like SW. They are crap, the series is full of stupid holes, the trilogies are not well connected, Anakin's transformation was absolutely ridiculous, from a whiny Jedi to a 'younglings' killer in an blink of an eye. He never acted or looked like Vader, even for a second. But in the end I think the movies and the universe is very enjoyable and entertaining. Why? Because I chose not to pay attention to any of that when I'm watching a Star Wars movie. I just let it run and enjoy things I find cool. But to each his own I suppose.
I don't believe I'm overanalyzing, I can't speak for other people. I didn't enter the theater with a chip on my shoulder or something. It's not nitpicking, these things all just jumped out at me. I just don't have the irrational hype of everyone else clouding my vision. I looked at it just like I would look at any other movie. I feel no obligation to enjoy it just because it cost $200 million, just because it has this director or that actor or has Star Wars in the name. Nothing would make me happier than to see a new great movie. SW7 just isn't one. There's lots of stuff in this movie I liked or thought had promise, but promising isn't good enough for me for a final cut. Good movies don't give you the chance to nitpick.
Suspending your disbelief is like when Luke crash-lands in the one swamp on the entire planet of Dagobah where Yoda lives. Nobody thinks twice about that. Nobody goes "How did Vader get to Cloud City first?" That's good. Or when the Imperial probe lands on the one place on Hoth where the Rebel base is. But smuggling a CGI space kraken with eyes the size of doors tries my patience. It's not that I'm looking for shit that doesn't make sense. I can excuse some shit not making sense. Every movie will have things that don't add up, and things that are bad. Do you know even in the beginning of the Godfather, at the wedding, they're singing and dancing and shit, and Michael is talking to Kay, and he's telling her some things about the family, and then he says "Do you like your lasagna?" and it cuts to another scene, that line to me is one of the cheesiest possible ways to end that conversation, it just fucking beats us over the head, like we get it, they're Italians. But a good movie doesn't let you notice those things, or minimizes them. I'm not saying like "Another death star? 2/10" or something. It's the confluence of garbage parts. When they start adding up, it's hard to ignore.
I personally loved The Dark Knight, I don't know why it keeps coming up, but it's a superhero movie, it's fantasy, it's not real. I went into it not expecting anything, same as SW7, and it turned out great. The Hobbit is fantasy too, but an elf archer surfing on falling CGI rocks doesn't seem to hold up. We all have a shit tolerance level. I'm personally not able to accept someone selling me shit with a brand name on it. This is why I can "nitpick" The Dark Knight Rises. It has enjoyable parts, but the parts that are shit are distracting, and just because it's the sequel to a great movie, that doesn't give it any free passes for me.
I think what's going on is these two groups of people just have different standards for movies in general. Which is not at all to say that it's bad that some people can enjoy a wider range of movies. I just physically can't.
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hiems United States. Dec 25 2015 20:05. Posts 2979
On December 25 2015 15:11 Raidern wrote:
i dont mean to challenge anyone's critique. my critique is exactly what you said: i think you are being overcritical. like complaining about the last scene:
the very final shot wasn't good, the helicopter shot of rey and luke, i'm not a cinematographer but it was like luke's back, rey's face, luke's face, rey's face, lightsaber, rey's face luke's face, then suddenly a far away helicopter shot of two people who could just as easily be stunt doubles facing each other, then credits. kind of messed up the mood, JJ Abrams just seems to like circles
like what
or
also, when Rey force pulls the lightsaber past Ren, Ren should have just fucking caught it since it flew right in his face, that was a terrible fakeout
imo when you look at star wars from a cinematic/critic point of view then you cant enjoy the movie at all because the movies do suck from that point of view. If I were to overanalyze every superhero or scifi movie the same way you guys are doing with starwars then I'd probably give up on watching these kind of movies because I'd notice so many mistakes/stupid things. Just the idea of someone wearing an outfit such as Batman and having a deep voice like his is ridiculous that's where I'd start from and that would probably keep me from watching that movie.
But I don't disagree with most of your critique. I think they are very accurate on pretty much everything. I've said it before the movies: I dunno why I like SW. They are crap, the series is full of stupid holes, the trilogies are not well connected, Anakin's transformation was absolutely ridiculous, from a whiny Jedi to a 'younglings' killer in an blink of an eye. He never acted or looked like Vader, even for a second. But in the end I think the movies and the universe is very enjoyable and entertaining. Why? Because I chose not to pay attention to any of that when I'm watching a Star Wars movie. I just let it run and enjoy things I find cool. But to each his own I suppose.
I don't believe I'm overanalyzing, I can't speak for other people. I didn't enter the theater with a chip on my shoulder or something. It's not nitpicking, these things all just jumped out at me. I just don't have the irrational hype of everyone else clouding my vision. I looked at it just like I would look at any other movie. I feel no obligation to enjoy it just because it cost $200 million, just because it has this director or that actor or has Star Wars in the name. Nothing would make me happier than to see a new great movie. SW7 just isn't one. There's lots of stuff in this movie I liked or thought had promise, but promising isn't good enough for me for a final cut. Good movies don't give you the chance to nitpick.
Suspending your disbelief is like when Luke crash-lands in the one swamp on the entire planet of Dagobah where Yoda lives. Nobody thinks twice about that. Nobody goes "How did Vader get to Cloud City first?" That's good. Or when the Imperial probe lands on the one place on Hoth where the Rebel base is. But smuggling a CGI space kraken with eyes the size of doors tries my patience. It's not that I'm looking for shit that doesn't make sense. I can excuse some shit not making sense. Every movie will have things that don't add up, and things that are bad. Do you know even in the beginning of the Godfather, at the wedding, they're singing and dancing and shit, and Michael is talking to Kay, and he's telling her some things about the family, and then he says "Do you like your lasagna?" and it cuts to another scene, that line to me is one of the cheesiest possible ways to end that conversation, it just fucking beats us over the head, like we get it, they're Italians. But a good movie doesn't let you notice those things, or minimizes them. I'm not saying like "Another death star? 2/10" or something. It's the confluence of garbage parts. When they start adding up, it's hard to ignore.
I personally loved The Dark Knight, I don't know why it keeps coming up, but it's a superhero movie, it's fantasy, it's not real. I went into it not expecting anything, same as SW7, and it turned out great. The Hobbit is fantasy too, but an elf archer surfing on falling CGI rocks doesn't seem to hold up. We all have a shit tolerance level. I'm personally not able to accept someone selling me shit with a brand name on it. This is why I can "nitpick" The Dark Knight Rises. It has enjoyable parts, but the parts that are shit are distracting, and just because it's the sequel to a great movie, that doesn't give it any free passes for me.
I think what's going on is these two groups of people just have different standards for movies in general. Which is not at all to say that it's bad that some people can enjoy a wider range of movies. I just physically can't.
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Rey being so powerful was strange and farfetched to me as well but they do set up possible reasons in the movie it just isnt clear yet. I'm sure in the second one there will be some story: i'm guessing the mention that Luke was training a whole generation of new jedis has something to do with it and the fact that kylo ren rebelled against luke and was so powerful that caused luke to flip out and run away stopping all training. This makes Kylo Ren's comments all the more scary of when he meets Rey saying something along "so your the person i heard about over and over and over again".. hell he gets pissed in the beginning just because the ship was taken and a girl was in it not even knowing it was her although already probably sensing it.
A lot of strange coincidences are explained by the force guiding the way so poe-finn finn-rey-solo meetings seem quite reasonable.
Death star planet thing was meh. Liked the new actors and felt the old ones were outta rhythm.
Overall I liked it def better than 1-2-3 imo.
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Santafairy Korea (South). Dec 25 2015 22:48. Posts 2226
like btw Raidern, I did like the final scene, it's just then the helicopter shot killed the mood I thought. the most famous example I know of that shot is when they're on top of the skyscraper in hong kong in Infernal Affairs.
for some people, they get less fond of movies as time goes by. the prequel trilogy is a good example, even if people didn't think it was so great at the time, after a while people have sort of wised up to just how bad they were, like as the hype dies and the movies settle into our culture. so it's possible that for SW7, the movie will look a little better or I'll appreciate it more in the future. a lot depends on how it fits in this new trilogy. does anyone know anything about this guy?
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hiems United States. Dec 25 2015 23:50. Posts 2979
On December 25 2015 21:48 Santafairy wrote:
like btw Raidern, I did like the final scene, it's just then the helicopter shot killed the mood I thought. the most famous example I know of that shot is when they're on top of the skyscraper in hong kong in Infernal Affairs.
for some people, they get less fond of movies as time goes by. the prequel trilogy is a good example, even if people didn't think it was so great at the time, after a while people have sort of wised up to just how bad they were, like as the hype dies and the movies settle into our culture. so it's possible that for SW7, the movie will look a little better or I'll appreciate it more in the future. a lot depends on how it fits in this new trilogy. does anyone know anything about this guy?
Basically you just keep yapping your mouth and go back and forth based on what members on this forum say. Really weird. You seem to be trying really really hard to prove that your some kind of intellectual/Star Wars/movie expert. Zomg Santafairy so smart. (lol). To me, you just sound like an idiot.
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Twisted Netherlands. Dec 26 2015 00:16. Posts 10422
On December 25 2015 21:48 Santafairy wrote:
like btw Raidern, I did like the final scene, it's just then the helicopter shot killed the mood I thought. the most famous example I know of that shot is when they're on top of the skyscraper in hong kong in Infernal Affairs.
for some people, they get less fond of movies as time goes by. the prequel trilogy is a good example, even if people didn't think it was so great at the time, after a while people have sort of wised up to just how bad they were, like as the hype dies and the movies settle into our culture. so it's possible that for SW7, the movie will look a little better or I'll appreciate it more in the future. a lot depends on how it fits in this new trilogy. does anyone know anything about this guy?
Basically you just keep yapping your mouth and go back and forth based on what members on this forum say. Really weird. You seem to be trying really really hard to prove that your some kind of intellectual/Star Wars/movie expert. Zomg Santafairy so smart. (lol). To me, you just sound like an idiot.
Wow you're dumb.
Shut the fuck up. He made great points. If he's an idiot, what are you? The king of all idiots? I at least hope that you're very young because that could excuse that degree of immaturity.
I completely agreed with his post. Stuff has to make sense in some way. For some people, the bar is lower for how much shit they can put up with, for others it's higher. Usually I'm not very strict with these things, but the hype made my expectations pretty big so I just expected more.
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Artanis[Xp] Netherlands. Dec 26 2015 01:34. Posts 4697
On December 25 2015 21:48 Santafairy wrote:
like btw Raidern, I did like the final scene, it's just then the helicopter shot killed the mood I thought. the most famous example I know of that shot is when they're on top of the skyscraper in hong kong in Infernal Affairs.
for some people, they get less fond of movies as time goes by. the prequel trilogy is a good example, even if people didn't think it was so great at the time, after a while people have sort of wised up to just how bad they were, like as the hype dies and the movies settle into our culture. so it's possible that for SW7, the movie will look a little better or I'll appreciate it more in the future. a lot depends on how it fits in this new trilogy. does anyone know anything about this guy?
Basically you just keep yapping your mouth and go back and forth based on what members on this forum say. Really weird. You seem to be trying really really hard to prove that your some kind of intellectual/Star Wars/movie expert. Zomg Santafairy so smart. (lol). To me, you just sound like an idiot.
Wow you're dumb.
Shut the fuck up. He made great points. If he's an idiot, what are you? The king of all idiots? I at least hope that you're very young because that could excuse that degree of immaturity.
I completely agreed with his post. Stuff has to make sense in some way. For some people, the bar is lower for how much shit they can put up with, for others it's higher. Usually I'm not very strict with these things, but the hype made my expectations pretty big so I just expected more.
I didn't even expect much myself, but when the opening text basically said "forget all about the previous episodes, despite everything being good after episode 6 we're just going to hard reset and have an evil empire again without explaining in any way how it got there or give any backstory whatsoever" got me into critical mode.
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Santafairy Korea (South). Dec 26 2015 03:33. Posts 2226
On December 25 2015 21:48 Santafairy wrote:
like btw Raidern, I did like the final scene, it's just then the helicopter shot killed the mood I thought. the most famous example I know of that shot is when they're on top of the skyscraper in hong kong in Infernal Affairs.
for some people, they get less fond of movies as time goes by. the prequel trilogy is a good example, even if people didn't think it was so great at the time, after a while people have sort of wised up to just how bad they were, like as the hype dies and the movies settle into our culture. so it's possible that for SW7, the movie will look a little better or I'll appreciate it more in the future. a lot depends on how it fits in this new trilogy. does anyone know anything about this guy?
Basically you just keep yapping your mouth and go back and forth based on what members on this forum say. Really weird.
conversation, yeah
You seem to be trying really really hard to prove that your some kind of intellectual/Star Wars/movie expert. Zomg Santafairy so smart. (lol). To me, you just sound like an idiot.
merry christmas
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I enjoyed it a lot and it actually got me excited for more future SW movies. That being said, I think the movie couldve done with less shit repeated from a new hope. All of the things that were new, were good imo, it just seemed they were afraid of trying too many new things at once and resorted to "well it was good in the OT so lets do it again". Hopefully ep8 can progress further away from that and stand on its own more fully.
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hiems United States. Dec 26 2015 05:26. Posts 2979
On December 25 2015 21:48 Santafairy wrote:
like btw Raidern, I did like the final scene, it's just then the helicopter shot killed the mood I thought. the most famous example I know of that shot is when they're on top of the skyscraper in hong kong in Infernal Affairs.
for some people, they get less fond of movies as time goes by. the prequel trilogy is a good example, even if people didn't think it was so great at the time, after a while people have sort of wised up to just how bad they were, like as the hype dies and the movies settle into our culture. so it's possible that for SW7, the movie will look a little better or I'll appreciate it more in the future. a lot depends on how it fits in this new trilogy. does anyone know anything about this guy?
Basically you just keep yapping your mouth and go back and forth based on what members on this forum say. Really weird.
conversation, yeah
You seem to be trying really really hard to prove that your some kind of intellectual/Star Wars/movie expert. Zomg Santafairy so smart. (lol). To me, you just sound like an idiot.
merry christmas
Haha right right. And apparantly since im the asshole in this thread bah humbug.
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NMcNasty United States. Dec 26 2015 17:44. Posts 2039
On December 25 2015 21:48 Santafairy wrote:
does anyone know anything about this guy?
Looks like he's the director of Looper and Brick which were both pretty good movies. They were both a little on the darker side in both content and style but in a good way. So there's that to look forward to but on the other hand maybe after recycling the plot of episode IV they're just planning on recycling the plot of episode V.
Netherlands. Dec 26 2015 00:16. Posts 10422
merry christmas
