UFC 192: Cormier vs. Gustafsson - Page 6

Of all the best guys at 205 ( DC,Gus,AJ). I see Jones having the easiest fight against Rumble. He will dominate him and finish him inside 3 rounds. I am certain of that.

AJ matches up well with Gustaffson ( I will stick pick Gus in a rematch ), but Cormier and Jones will always smash him, even though he is a live dog due to his knockout power.

On October 08 2015 22:13 northsails wrote: Of all the best guys at 205 ( DC,Gus,AJ). I see Jones having the easiest fight against Rumble. He will dominate him and finish him inside 3 rounds. I am certain of that. AJ matches up well with Gustaffson ( I will stick pick Gus in a rematch ), but Cormier and Jones will always smash him, even though he is a live dog due to his knockout power.

you said it yourself, AJ is a live dog against Jones. I think Cormier isn't. Cormier is drawing dead against Jones.

We aren't saying AJ is an hard fight for Jones, he isn't. But AJ is at least a threat.

Well, I don't think Cormier is drawing dead against Jones. He arguably won 2nd and 3rd rounds in their first fight. It is not like he has been blown away. Jones is coming off a 1 year lay off also.

He gassed due to the body shots he ate early in the fight and lost the last rounds, but if the odds are over +250 I will deffo throw some money on DC.

On October 07 2015 23:40 iakim322 wrote: Show nested quote + On October 07 2015 03:32 soberstone wrote: 48-47 DC, 49-46 cards are just plain wrong. Gus won 2 & 3. I actually think 48-47 Gus is a better scorecard (leaving aside that the wrong guy wins) than 49-46 DC because you could easily have given Gus rd 4 IMO (where he outstruck a sloppy aggressive DC via Fightmetric), but how the fuck could you not give him 3 where he nearly finished the God Damn fight. That is just people's pre-fight pick bias's creeping in for sure. Why would Gus be given the third round because of one great shot followed up by one more good shot when he did almost nothing of significance for the other 4 minutes and 45 seconds . Has nothing to do with pre-fight pick bias. I'd rather have given Gus the 4th round instead of the 3rd. Used to happen in boxing all the time which is what I first started watching where there'd be mass outrage over a round just like that. Becomes a bit subjective on what a person/judge values more. It doesn't become absolute because you think those 15 seconds outweigh the rest of the round. Maybe if it was more of an extended sequence.

uhhhh I don't remember any point of the fight past the 1st round where DC dominated 2 minutes straight, let alone 4:45. think you may need a re-watch. if a round is close but clear for 4 minutes and then 1 guy almost finishes the fight multiple times in a 20 second sequence, it's that guys round. it's not rocket science and it shouldn't be that subjective. if you can re-watch the 3rd round and honestly give it to DC, then we just have to agree to disagree, but until then I think you are just remembering very poorly.

On October 08 2015 06:38 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On October 07 2015 23:07 Stim_Abuser wrote:   On October 06 2015 09:13 Baalim wrote: Jones has faced many KO artists, and he absolutely destroyed them without even looking in danger at any point None of them even close to as good at it as AJ though. Honestly the only reason he didn't KO DC is DC has a fucking crazy chin. I mean the dude KO'D Gus and nearly KO'D DC. Only thing that saved DC was a great chin. And both those guys gave Jones a hell of a fight. Wonder how AJ will look with the new testing, as he's certainly juiced to max. Matyushenko, prime Shogun, Rampage, prime Machida, TRT Belfort, Gustaffson, Texeira. In what universe is AJ a better striker than all of those?

rumble by far hits harder than any of those guys ever did; if we are talking purely mass x acceleration of your head bouncing off his fist

On October 08 2015 06:38 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On October 07 2015 23:07 Stim_Abuser wrote:   On October 06 2015 09:13 Baalim wrote: Jones has faced many KO artists, and he absolutely destroyed them without even looking in danger at any point None of them even close to as good at it as AJ though. Honestly the only reason he didn't KO DC is DC has a fucking crazy chin. I mean the dude KO'D Gus and nearly KO'D DC. Only thing that saved DC was a great chin. And both those guys gave Jones a hell of a fight. Wonder how AJ will look with the new testing, as he's certainly juiced to max. Matyushenko, prime Shogun, Rampage, prime Machida, TRT Belfort, Gustaffson, Texeira. In what universe is AJ a better striker than all of those?

Only in the the universe we are living in. Besides that, great point.

Johnson is a superior and more relevantly, more dangerous striker than every single other fighter on that list and its really not even all that close considering we are talking about who is 'live' vs JBJ. You aren't going to win a decision more than a few times out of a hundred vs the Jon Jones that fought DC (because yes, that version was far better than the one that fought Gus) unless you are far better than anyone on this list. Admittedly, he's just too good over 5 rounds to outpoint. You need to finish him - Belfort almost did it with an armbar, there's no reason AJ couldn't split his wig with a well timed counter in the pocket.

And BTW, Johnson is not juiced to the max necessarily - I'd be a fool to say he wasn't for sure - but his body has never morphed (besides when he did extreme weight cutting) - he's just a brick shithouse that hits and kicks harder than anyone else on the planet. Jones is actually the guy who has had some shaky testosterone levels if we are being honest.