UFC 191: Johnson vs. Dodson 2 - Page 6

This event was so bad it had me half asleep through most of it, damn. Mighty mouse is unreal but i cant enjoy flyweight fights at all :/ thats just a shame, the guy is a beast.

On September 06 2015 07:53 northsails wrote: Arlovski fight saved me from really bad night. I was sooo wrong today with my picks and special mention goes to Jan Blachowicz who was absolutely pummeled. And Fransisco Rivera I thought will use his reach and more polished striking to stay away from Lineker, but funny enough he decided to brawl with him . What a retard and what a fight.

Same man i was really off this event. 4/12
And to add to this, 2 of my wins were decisions i shouldn't have won. I should have listened to sober more i guess

On September 06 2015 13:58 Raidern wrote: This event was so bad it had me half asleep through most of it, damn. Mighty mouse is unreal but i cant enjoy flyweight fights at all :/ thats just a shame, the guy is a beast.

Same man, i think this was one of the worst event in a long time. I think the best fight was possibly the linekar rivera fight, which didn't last long at all.

Heads up on McGeary vs Ortiz betting $1800 on that one at -450. Would probably have bet it all the way to -650. Also Holloway -320 vs Stephens.

On September 06 2015 15:51 Nazgul wrote: Heads up on McGeary vs Ortiz betting $1800 on that one at -450. Would probably have bet it all the way to -650. Also Holloway -320 vs Stephens.

Love it. I'm just waiting for McGreary Rd 1 and Rd 2 to come out. I doubt Tito gets any further.

On September 06 2015 04:43 Minsk wrote: GG mental midget. I didn't really know he was this bad mentally.

IMO, that fight had absolutely nothing to do with 'mental' strength. MM is just 18x better than everyone under 126. Picking against him is futile. You could put Conor McGregor's brain in Dodson's body and he'd still get absolutely smoked.

Thoughts on Card:

Boring.

Shame about MM.

Even some hardcore boxing fans can't stand watching Mayweather fight, and I hate to make that comparison because MM is SO much more offensive and finish oriented than Mayweather, but ultimately if you are just turned on by the violence, even if you completely understand what you are seeing, it's not entertaining. I don't hate on anyone who feels that way.

I'm pretty much the same way.... but with MM, I find it entertaining because he's just so much better and more complete than anyone else that's every competed and he pulls out new tricks every time, he even had a Jones spinning elbow from the clinch.... he is what Lightweight MMA will look like (with more KO's and devastating shots) in about 10 years. I think the prelims were great and the Main Event was fine but the fights that needed to deliver - Mir/Arlovski and Rumble/Manuwa (even though it had a KO, it was mostly boring) - didn't.

Arlovski will lose when facing a wrestler with a chin (like a Miocic) and he'll be a dog in my eyes against the Rothwell/Mitrione types.

Rumble's striking defense is so underrated and is what allows everything else to work so beautifully. That was a super impressive performance because he looked bigger, his cardio looked better, and short of Jones and Cormier, he's gonna beat pretty much everybody. I would love to see a Gus rematch because I do think that's a 50/50 fight.

If Corey Anderson GREATLY improves his striking defense, he can be a real problem at 205. He's got the cardio, athleticism, wrestling, chin, and toughness, but he gets hit way too much when exchanging at the beginning of fights. Not gonna fly vs the big hitters.

PVZ is probably going to lose her next fight, if not the one after that. They don't want her anywhere near JJ, she is only 21, and if they get her a loss in a close back and forth fight - vs say a Randa Markos or winner of Torres/Waterson - they can give her 3 more cans to beat up which is all they want out of her because she still draws eyeballs and is a star.

Felder's boxing sucks and his footwork is average, both are far behind the rest of his Muai-Thai centered game. He can trade with anyone at kicking range and has amazing counter-wrestling offense and defense - but that's where it ends.

Linekar's chin is nuts and he's live vs anyone.

Pennington didn't impress me despite winning my dog bet and getting a finish. He striking defense in the pocket is so shitty. Will probably have to fade her now. Andrade looked fat and out of shape or else she probably wins that fight again.

Clay Collard is a sad story of a low IQ fighter who blew his opportunity in the big show. Will fade Tiago Trator vs anyone decent - that guy is fucking terrible.

Joe Riggs should retire (obviously, should have retired like 5 years ago). Pathetic way to game the system and get a win. Stallings got fucked, he deserves another chance but his defense/chin is clearly gonna be a problem for him, he's actually pretty good.

Joakim Silva sucks and will lose to anyone decent, his striking is incredibly over-rated by Joe Rogan.

Studying the next Fight Night today so I can be ready to smash early lines.... if anyone wants to talk fights hit me on Skype @ soberstone86

On September 06 2015 17:10 soberstone wrote: Show nested quote + On September 06 2015 15:51 Nazgul wrote: Heads up on McGeary vs Ortiz betting $1800 on that one at -450. Would probably have bet it all the way to -650. Also Holloway -320 vs Stephens. Love it. I'm just waiting for McGreary Rd 1 and Rd 2 to come out. I doubt Tito gets any further.

I might just add some more if the round one line is good. Tito is so far out of his depth and he has never had any 'upset skills'.

On September 06 2015 22:18 Nazgul wrote: Show nested quote + On September 06 2015 17:10 soberstone wrote:   On September 06 2015 15:51 Nazgul wrote: Heads up on McGeary vs Ortiz betting $1800 on that one at -450. Would probably have bet it all the way to -650. Also Holloway -320 vs Stephens. Love it. I'm just waiting for McGeary Rd 1 and Rd 2 to come out. I doubt Tito gets any further. I might just add some more if the round one line is good. Tito is so far out of his depth and he has never had any 'upset skills'.

Except against Ryan Bader and Alexander Shlemenko. Most people thought both guys would crush old ass Tito.

McGeary is taller, longer, has a better chin, has better striking, has better BJJ, and has better cardio than Bader and Shlemenko. He's also undefeated and gets better with each fight.

You can upset people without upset skills, which is what I would classify the Schlemenko win under. The Bader fight is a good example of upset skills, but I think it is an absolute rarity for Tito. Not sure if this is making sense to you, but it's something I've always taken into account a lot with my betting. Things like good/bad chins, knockout power or flash subs.

doesn't that guy have poor takedown D?

That rumble fight was tight and the 2nd best fight behind lineker. Decent card overall . Maybe bad for a PPV but 10x better than the last fight night trash

Ps Felder sucks, fk that guy

On September 07 2015 04:47 Zadan wrote: doesn't that guy have poor takedown D?

Why does he need it?

"UFC 191's reported gate of $1.3 million is the lowest for a Las Vegas-based UFC pay-per-view card since UFC 49 in August 2004."

Johnson's last 4 gate totals:

vs. Dodson (Las Vegas) - $1.3 million
vs. Horiguchi (Montreal) - $668,000
vs. Cariaso (Las Vegas) - $2.2 million (Note: Card had Cerrone-Alvarez and McGregor-Poirier, original main event was Jones-Cormier)
vs. Bagautinov (Vancouver) - $1.14 million.

On September 08 2015 17:44 PuertoRican wrote: "UFC 191's reported gate of $1.3 million is the lowest for a Las Vegas-based UFC pay-per-view card since UFC 49 in August 2004." Johnson's last 4 gate totals: vs. Dodson (Las Vegas) - $1.3 million vs. Horiguchi (Montreal) - $668,000 vs. Cariaso (Las Vegas) - $2.2 million (Note: Card had Cerrone-Alvarez and McGregor-Poirier, original main event was Jones-Cormier) vs. Bagautinov (Vancouver) - $1.14 million.

Man it sucks because the guy is really talented, but i think there are 4 key things which makes a championship match interesting:

#1 Weight class. 125 lbs automatically is less interesting than 185 lbs
#2 Serious challenger + Dominant champion: someone dominant for so long like gsp or ronda attracts people. If the dominant champ is fightning someone who stands a real chance, like Aldo vs connor, it attracks people even more
#3 Charisma/style: Someone with a lot of charisma, like McGregor, or even like, Nick Diaz, attracks crowd much more.
#4 Interesting fights: People need to have the feeling that its going to produce an exciting fight, with possibly KOs and stuff.

Unfortunatly for MM, he has none of those. Yes he is dominant, but it actually makes it boring because he has no real challengers, so the fight is even more predictable.

nobody wants to see MM cause they know whats gonna happen and it wont happen in a particularly entertaining fashion either

my guess is his next fight willl either be on a double championship card or with a sick co main event like Jones's return or like Pettis vs Khabib

Sometimes narratives become so ingrained in the general dynamic of something that it is a self-fulfilling prophecy.

People bitch about DJ's personality (which is no less interesting than most of the champions, I actually find him very intelligent and a lot more listenable than say even my favorite fighter - Chris Weidman).

People bitch he doesn't talk enough shit (really? cuz GSP was such a shit talker.... and seriously, do we want everyone to be McGregor or Sonnen? I don't....)

People bitch about his size (MMA fans are a bit different, but lets get real, Floyd Mayweather is a little twerp, similar size to DJ, and is the most bountiful prize fighter ever)

People bitch about level of competition (Sure better than Rousey's or anyone in the HW division)

People say we already know what's gonna happen (Really? Than why are fools putting money on John Dodson - I'm sure everyone could have predicted he'd finish Horiguchi with an armbar with 1 second left in a 25 minute fight - that's not cool or unique or special right?)

At this point, it just is what it is - it's a self-fulfilling prophecy, whenever a DJ fight approaches, the media and UG's instinct is to say "ugh". We can't always put our finger on why someone is or isn't a draw. I think Ronda Rousey is just perfect place, perfect time, I find nothing special about her whatsoever and could care less about watching her squash women in fights that are border-line unconscionable.

To each their own.

My only point is that it's not Mighty Mouses fault at this point, there is ABSOLUTELY nothing he can do to change it, he just needs to wait for an interesting foil - much like Jose Aldo and Anderson Silva did before anyone gave a shit about them - the overall narrative that he is boring and vanilla is a self-fulfilling prophecy, it's more myth than fact but no one really cares.

All that said, let him co-main fights or headline Fox cards until a good, interesting foil comes along (No... not Henry Cejudo....) and if that doesn't happen, lets start talking super fight when BW can figure out its real champion and he gets a few scalps under his belt.

soberstone, since we have 2.5 weeks until the next event, I elect you to make the thread for the UFC Fight Night 75 card. Floofy can make the thread for the event after that.

I just blind bet MM and stopped watching the show after the rumble fight. It would be better if MM only fought 3 rounds, guy is talented but his fights r boring as fk.

Edit: ps. I prefer to read about MM's fight in 1 paragraph than to actually watch it.


And yeah Fk felder, guy sucks...

On September 09 2015 00:10 Spitfiree wrote: nobody wants to see MM cause they know whats gonna happen and it wont happen in a particularly entertaining fashion either

Your 100% right

they should make him fight someone at 135, like dillashaw. I would def want to watch that.