UFC 191: Johnson vs. Dodson 2

Date: Saturday, September 5th
Preliminary Card (UFC Fight Pass): 23:59 LP.net / 4pm PST / 7pm EST
Preliminary Card (Fox Sports 1): 1:00 LP.net / 5pm PST / 8pm EST
Main Card (PPV): 3:00 LP.net / 7pm PST / 10pm EST
Live Streams: http://firstrowus1.eu/




Main Card (PPV)

Demetrious Johnson (22-2-1) vs. John Dodson (17-6) (Flyweight Championship)
Andrei Arlovski (24-10) vs Frank Mir (18-9) (Heavyweight)
Anthony Johnson (19-5) vs. Jimi Manuwa (15-1) (Light Heavyweight)
Jan Blachowicz (18-4) vs. Corey Anderson (5-1) (Light Heavyweight)
Paige VanZant (5-1) vs. Alex Chambers (5-2) (Women's Strawweight)

Preliminary Card (Fox Sports 1)

Ross Pearson (17-9) vs. Paul Felder (10-1) (Lightweight)
Francisco Rivera (11-4) vs. John Lineker (25-7) (Bantamweight)
Jessica Andrade (13-4) vs. Raquel Pennington (5-5) (Women's Bantamweight)
Clay Collard (14-6) vs. Tiago Trator (19-5-2) (Featherweight)

Preliminary Card (UFC Fight Pass)

Joe Riggs (40-16) vs. Ron Stallings (13-7) (Middleweight)
Joaquim Silva (7-0) vs. Nazareno Malegarie (23-3) (Lightweight)

Other

- Anthony Johnson was originally expected to face Jan Blachowicz on the card. However, Johnson was pulled from the bout on July 30 in favor of a fight with Jimi Manuwa at the event. In turn, Blachowicz will face The Ultimate Fighter 19 light heavyweight winner Corey Anderson.
- Raquel Pennington was initially expected to face Leslie Smith at UFC 192. However, Smith was forced to pull out of the event due to injury. Subsequently, Pennington was pulled from the card entirely in favor of a bout with former title challenger Liz Carmouche at this event. In turn, Carmouche pulled out of the fight just days after being added, citing injury and was replaced by Jessica Andrade. This fight will be a rematch, as Andrade beat Pennington via split decision at UFC 171.
- Andre Fili was expected to face Clay Collard at the event. However, less than one week after the bout was announced, Fili was forced out of the bout with injury and replaced by Tiago Trator.
- John Lineker is moving up to Bantamweight for this fight, as he missed weight at Flyweight too many times.

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First impression of the match-ups:

• Johnson > Dodson
• Arlovski > Mir
• Johnson > Manuwa
• Anderson > Blachowicz
• PVZ > Chambers
• Felder > Pearson
• Rivera > Lineker
• Andrade > Pennington
• Collard > Trator
• Riggs > Stallings
• Malegarie > Silva

It doesnt matter how much I try I simply dont care for these midgets fights

Well I am betting 20 bucks on Dodson at +350 so that makes the fight a little more interesting.

Mir v Arlovski should be good

wanted to go all in when felder opened -250

On August 26 2015 07:57 Baalim wrote: It doesnt matter how much I try I simply dont care for these midgets fights

Same for me, except maybe for cejudo who manages to spark some interest.

I think the lowest weight class should be 140

big vanzant/felder/rumble/arlovski/DJ parlay

arlovski might blow it but we will see

On August 26 2015 21:51 traxamillion wrote: big vanzant/felder/rumble/arlovski/DJ parlay arlovski might blow it but we will see

never put money on a girl not named rousey for -1600 odds imo

I'm prolly gonna bet chambers if i can get +1300 or so

Regarding Chambers, it's a spot where it's submission or pass, not dog or pass. Chambers lacks the striking, power, activity, and wrestling to win a decision.

Chambers ITD is +1300. Her submission line isn't available yet.

On August 26 2015 23:06 PuertoRican wrote: Regarding Chambers, it's a spot where it's submission or pass, not dog or pass. Chambers lacks the striking, power, activity, and wrestling to win a decision. Chambers ITD is +1300. Her submission line isn't available yet.

current ML odds are 1050. With 5dime reduced juice, it would be at least +1100

For your +1300 line to be a better choice than the +1100 ML, chambers needs to win ITD at least 85% of the time, when she does win. With all the horrible judging lately, i'm not sure thats the case.

• Johnson > Dodson
• Arlovski > Mir
• Johnson > Manuwa
• Anderson v Blachowicz - Pk
• PVZ > Chambers
• Felder > Pearson
• Liniker > Rivera
• Pennington v Andrade - Pk
• Collard > Trator
• Stallings > Riggs
• Malegarie v Silva - No Clue, Couldn't Find Tape At All on Silva so Decided to Not even look into it

Bets:

+ Show Spoiler +

On August 27 2015 02:53 Floofy wrote: Show nested quote + On August 26 2015 23:06 PuertoRican wrote: Regarding Chambers, it's a spot where it's submission or pass, not dog or pass. Chambers lacks the striking, power, activity, and wrestling to win a decision. Chambers ITD is +1300. Her submission line isn't available yet. current ML odds are 1050. With 5dime reduced juice, it would be at least +1100 For your +1300 line to be a better choice than the +1100 ML, chambers needs to win ITD at least 85% of the time, when she does win. With all the horrible judging lately, i'm not sure thats the case.

I'd wait and see what her submission line is.

I don't think Chambers will win at all since she just sucks at MMA. And if she does win, it would have to be via submission, or else PVZ will reverse Chambers and/or find a way to get a better position and overwhelm her.

Either way, since I'm not betting the fight, I don't have to worry about what their lines are. Regarding DraftKings, none of my teams will have Chambers.

..... 6'58 of the Arlovski Browne fight: "I THINK WE HAVE A NEW FAVORITE FIGHT OF ALL TIME!"......

Mike Golberg ladies and gentlemen... never fuckin gets old

I think there is some value in Manuwa here. Probably will move a little bit more so I can lay some cash at +500 .. ?

On August 26 2015 07:57 Baalim wrote: It doesnt matter how much I try I simply dont care for these midgets fights

QFT, but at least we get star power in mir, rumble, arlovski, and paige

Nobody gives Dodson a chance? I always have faith on him.

On August 26 2015 07:57 Baalim wrote: It doesnt matter how much I try I simply dont care for these midgets fights

Before the fight was made and especially before Dodson's last fight, I was thinking he'd be the one to eventually dethrone DJ. But it's weird how memory from a few highlights can play tricks on you. Because of the fact that DJ so rarely gets hurt, him getting dropped in the Dodson fight made it seem like Dodson did relatively really well. After re-watching the fight though...turns out the vast majority of the fight was Dodson actually backing off while not being that active with DJ constantly pressuring even after getting dropped. Then it was DJ just dominating in clinch control. Dodson's power makes him live in any contest I guess but DJ is just so complete and can choose to make it a safe fight whenever he wants so yeah...gl with Dodson

I can see Frank Mir beating Arlovski. On the surface it looks like Arlovski is a little better, but I think its closer to 60/40 Frank Mir.

On August 27 2015 20:58 iakim322 wrote: Before the fight was made and especially before Dodson's last fight, I was thinking he'd be the one to eventually dethrone DJ. But it's weird how memory from a few highlights can play tricks on you. Because of the fact that DJ so rarely gets hurt, him getting dropped in the Dodson fight made it seem like Dodson did relatively really well. After re-watching the fight though...turns out the vast majority of the fight was Dodson actually backing off while not being that active with DJ constantly pressuring even after getting dropped. Then it was DJ just dominating in clinch control. Dodson's power makes him live in any contest I guess but DJ is just so complete and can choose to make it a safe fight whenever he wants so yeah...gl with Dodson

+1.

Plus DJ has been active and improving every aspect of his game and Dodson has been completely underwhelming of late.

Plus DJ is the prototypical high IQ type fighter, reminiscent of GSP, where he's not gonna get caught with a similar trick twice and will gameplan the fuck out of his opponent in a rematch. His cardio and pace aren't the only reason he breaks his opponents in championship rounds, it's also because he makes ridiculous adjustments with Matt Hume.

Rumble + Demetrious + felder

Rumble + Demetrious

made those parlays and tailed what i could of stone's bets

Prelims: http://bellator.spike.com/live
Prelim card time: 4:45pm PST / 7:45pm EST
Main card time: 6pm PST / 9pm EST
When: Friday, August 28th

Main Card (Spike TV)

Melvin Guillard vs. Brandon Girtz (Lightweight)
Patricky Freire vs. Saad Awad (Lightweight)
Justin Wren vs. Josh Burns (Heavyweight)
Raphael Butler vs. Lorenzo Hood (Heavyweight)

Preliminary Card (Spike.com)

Ilima Macfarlane vs. Maria Rios (Women's Flyweight)
A.J. McKee vs. James Barnes (Featherweight)
Adrienna Jenkins vs. Lissette Neri (Women's Featherweight)
Ray Sloan vs. Luc Bondole (Light Heavyweight)
Johnny Cisneros vs. Gabriel Miglioli (Welterweight)
Curtis Millender vs. Steven Ciacco (Welterweight)
Marloes Coenen vs. Arlene Blencowe (Women's Featherweight)
Derek Anderson vs. Brent Primus (Lightweight)
AJ Matthews vs. Emiliano Sordi (Middleweight)

Got any plays Rican? Need plays!

I have no clue about anyone on this card besides Guillard, Pitbull, Awad, Wren, and McCee.

I was a little surprised Justin Wren is such a massive favorite even though you gotta root for the guy.... I just think HW MMA.... Wren hasn't fought for 5 years.... and he's a -660 favorite.... but then I look at his opponent and he is a total can who lost to Eric Prindle, love me some Prindles,.... so that seems like a pass.

I think Guillard ITD at -185 is pretty solid based on the other guys resume of being KO'd and being a pure submission style fighter won't play well for him and maybe Girtz decision at +665 incase Melvin is out of shape again and shits the bed cardio wise? I dunno, I just wanna gamble tbh.

Someone I know who is a profitable better is on Lorenzo Hood at +130 but I have no clue about him.

W/E laying down those bets but not counting them on my spreadsheet win or lose because I am just gambling.

And Rican, if you have anything you recommend I'll tail.

EDIT: ROFL. And Guillard ITD jumps to -235 before I can even tough it. GG. Should stop typing so much.

EDIT: W/E, just took the under 1.5 @ +105 instead, probably better bet anyway.

Bet: To Win:
$25.00 $26.25 Pending 8/28/15 10:30pm Bellator Fighting 3001 Brandon Girtz/Melvin Guillard Under 1½ +105*
$25.00 $38.75 Pending 8/28/15 10:00pm Props Fighting 3103 Freire / Awad goes 3 round distance +155* vs Fight won't go 3 round distance
$52.50 $15.00 Pending 8/28/15 9:00pm Props Fighting 3309 Wren wins inside distance -350* vs Not Wren inside distance

I like Awad at plus odds, and Girtz and plus odds.

I'd bet Awad asap since his line has dropped a lot, while Girtz's line keeps getting better.

Done

$25.00 $26.25 Pending 8/28/15 10:00pm Bellator Fighting 3102 Saad Awad +105* vs Patricky Freire

Ride or die.

Edit: Patricky not pitbull, get the two shits mixed up, pitbull is the good one

On August 29 2015 01:31 soberstone wrote: Done $25.00 $26.25 Pending 8/28/15 10:00pm Bellator Fighting 3102 Saad Awad +105* vs Patricky Freire Ride or die. Edit: Patricky not pitbull, get the two shits mixed up, pitbull is the good one

Team = Pitbull Brothers

Several people on that team use the nickname "Pitbull." Some include Patricio Freire (Bellator), Patricky Freire (Bellator), Bethe Correia (UFC), and Leandro Higo (RFA).

Oh OK, so I was wrong about being right. GG.

Well, the smaller Pitbull brother is the good one.

And you forgot Andre 'the Pitbull' Arlovski!

Lame nickname to have now.

On August 29 2015 02:00 soberstone wrote: Oh OK, so I was wrong about being right. GG. Well, the smaller Pitbull brother is the good one. And you forgot Andre 'the Pitbull' Arlovski! Lame nickname to have now.

Thiago "Pitbull" Alves.

He'll be fighting Benson Henderson (welterweight) at the South Korea event in November.

On August 29 2015 02:05 PuertoRican wrote: Show nested quote + On August 29 2015 02:00 soberstone wrote: Oh OK, so I was wrong about being right. GG. Well, the smaller Pitbull brother is the good one. And you forgot Andre 'the Pitbull' Arlovski! Lame nickname to have now. Thiago "Pitbull" Alves. He'll be fighting Benson Henderson (welterweight) at the South Korea event in November.

Touche'. I went to Sherdog to go cheat but there are no more notable Pibulls D:

Patricky 2-1 imo. Rounds 1 and 3.

Awad did nothing in round 3.

On August 29 2015 02:31 PuertoRican wrote: Patricky 2-1 imo. Rounds 1 and 3. Awad did nothing in round 3.

Yah I smell a split.

I could honestly score round 1 a draw, Awad 2 and Patricky 3. But neither of us agree with Jimmy. But Patricky deserves decision. Lame.

ROfl. Patricky cutting himself a promo and it just falls completely flat

Girtz beasting on the Young Assassin.

Nice call Rican either way, Girtz is raping Melvin. Was just hoping he was gonna finish Melvin sooner and hit the under :/

Wow, crazy ending

lmao at Girtz almost getting finished in round 3...

Congrats on betting Girtz, if you took him.

Also, lmao at the 1 judge who gave it to Guillard...

Well, guess the real news of the night is that lawler condit was postponed and Holm is fighting Rousey at 193 in Melbourne at the 70,000 person stadium.

Gives Holm even less of a shot if that's possible, lol....

This worked out nicely for the UFC.

Threw a couple units on Mir rd 1 prop at +350. It's a 22 percent implied rate.

I have a lot on AA and wanted to hedge in the best way possible because a lot of people I respect aren't so sure.

I'm also getting more and more paranoid that AA is going to be coming into this fight softer. I didn't like how in his countdown they didn't show his body once. (I know Mir will be coming in fat but that doesn't really hurt him because his cardio has always kinda blown)

I think if Mir is going to win 40 % or more of the time and I made a poor bet, I think that about half of that or more is a typical rd 1 HW KO or submission. Under that assumption, Mir would be winning in rd 1 around 1/3 of the time. I personally don't see the fight that way but, atleast if I'm wrong, there's a large possibility that's how I WOULD be wrong..... and therefore would re-gain some value in the hedge.

On a tangent, AJ looked very good in the countdown so I'm not expecting to be able to lay anything on Manuwa in the event of a soft weigh-in for Johnson. Looking like no bet on that one.

Also threw a prop on DJ by Sub at +450 even though I also have him by decision at -135. I think in my vision of how this fight is gonna go, Dodson is primed to get subbed in the later rounds, but still most likely loses a decision because hes so tough and squirly.

I think that a KO is almost impossible for DJ. Yes, I know, he KO Benevidez. The Benevidez shot was just the insane perfect combination of Benevidez being WAY too aggressive and wreckless, and him throwing his most powerful shot into the incoming chin. He also hasn't KO'd other top opponents every other time. Dodson fights far less aggressively. He just moves in quick circles and just looks to counter or walk his opponent into his big left, pretty damn predictable against a guy as intelligent as DJ but not the style that is going to be susceptible to the KO. If DJ hurts Dodson, it's likely later be later in the fight via damage accumulation and fatigue, hes much more likely to slap on a RNC or some kind of sick submission than he is to put in the coffin nails with fight ending shots.

If Dodson hasn't improved more than he's shown (which actually seems to be a minor regression), the sub is probably pretty likely.

However, if Dodson has improved or just had bad out-lier performances recently and makes some of the rounds close, he'll still lose a decision far more than half the time, so that prop still holds value in my eyes at -135.

I'll take Dodson. At these odds, someone with his athleticism and power, its a gift.

The one underdog I'm afraid to take is Manuwa, I think hes just behind in every way.

On September 01 2015 06:03 Minsk wrote: I'll take Dodson. At these odds, someone with his athleticism and power, its a gift. The one underdog I'm afraid to take is Manuwa, I think hes just behind in every way.

Fully agree with you on Dodson

About Manuwa....

I think in sports in general, including the ufc, you have 2 kind of guys. "Solid" guys, and "Streaky" guys.
A solid guy is someone like Jose Also, or Jon Jones, who always offers a very good performance.
And then, you have Streaky guys. They sometimes do really well, and sometimes do shitty. As an example, Alistair Overeem, or Tyron Woodley.

I think Anthony Johnson might be one of those Streaky guys. At his best, he might even be able to beat Jon Jones. But i think at his worst, he might lose to Manuwa. I could be wrong tho, but if i can get Manuwa at +500, ill prolly throw a small bet on him.

I also think Johnson is the kind of guy that, if you make a mistake, he will punish you HARD. But if Manuwa can get a bit lucky and outplay Johnson, he has a shot.

On September 02 2015 01:29 Floofy wrote: Show nested quote + On September 01 2015 06:03 Minsk wrote: I'll take Dodson. At these odds, someone with his athleticism and power, its a gift. The one underdog I'm afraid to take is Manuwa, I think hes just behind in every way. Fully agree with you on Dodson About Manuwa.... I think in sports in general, including the ufc, you have 2 kind of guys. "Solid" guys, and "Streaky" guys. A solid guy is someone like Jose Also, or Jon Jones, who always offers a very good performance. And then, you have Streaky guys. They sometimes do really well, and sometimes do shitty. As an example, Alistair Overeem, or Tyron Woodley. I think Anthony Johnson might be one of those Streaky guys. At his best, he might even be able to beat Jon Jones. But i think at his worst, he might lose to Manuwa. I could be wrong tho, but if i can get Manuwa at +500, ill prolly throw a small bet on him. I also think Johnson is the kind of guy that, if you make a mistake, he will punish you HARD. But if Manuwa can get a bit lucky and outplay Johnson, he has a shot.

Good logic as far as the Manuwa fight, I agree with the points you make.

I disagree on Dodson, to each their own but I just want to expound on how I see it.

Dodson is a very good fighter with some A+ aspects to his game, but I enjoy betting on the best fighters in the sport in their primes... I think DJ is tiers above everyone in his division, which is rare these days, and just because Dodson rocked him and won 1 round, maybe 2 in the first fight, I think everything is working against him in the rematch.

In my opinion, one of 3 things must occur/be true for him to win

A: He becomes the best version of himself by leaps and bounds and/or DJ needs to come in a worse version of himself by leaps and bounds - and Dodson is actually close to the equal fighter that night

B: If A is untrue, than he will need to land multiple very low percentage fight changing shots in 2-3 of the rounds

C: If A and B are untrue, than DJ would need to make a large mistake at the perfect time for Dodson and get flatlined by 1 shot/follow-up

I see the sum of those three scenarios being less than 10 percent, and feel like the sample sizes of their fights is so large that we can be fairly certain about it, so I'd handicap him as a +900 dog.

Under that pretense DJ is a low risk bet with a +ev of .08 unit per unit bet. Sign me up .

On September 02 2015 02:20 soberstone wrote: Show nested quote + On September 02 2015 01:29 Floofy wrote:   On September 01 2015 06:03 Minsk wrote: I'll take Dodson. At these odds, someone with his athleticism and power, its a gift. The one underdog I'm afraid to take is Manuwa, I think hes just behind in every way. Fully agree with you on Dodson About Manuwa.... I think in sports in general, including the ufc, you have 2 kind of guys. "Solid" guys, and "Streaky" guys. A solid guy is someone like Jose Also, or Jon Jones, who always offers a very good performance. And then, you have Streaky guys. They sometimes do really well, and sometimes do shitty. As an example, Alistair Overeem, or Tyron Woodley. I think Anthony Johnson might be one of those Streaky guys. At his best, he might even be able to beat Jon Jones. But i think at his worst, he might lose to Manuwa. I could be wrong tho, but if i can get Manuwa at +500, ill prolly throw a small bet on him. I also think Johnson is the kind of guy that, if you make a mistake, he will punish you HARD. But if Manuwa can get a bit lucky and outplay Johnson, he has a shot. Good logic as far as the Manuwa fight, I agree with the points you make. I disagree on Dodson, to each their own but I just want to expound on how I see it. Dodson is a very good fighter with some A+ aspects to his game, but I enjoy betting on the best fighters in the sport in their primes... I think DJ is tiers above everyone in his division, which is rare these days, and just because Dodson rocked him and won 1 round, maybe 2 in the first fight, I think everything is working against him in the rematch. In my opinion, one of 3 things must occur/be true for him to win A: He becomes the best version of himself by leaps and bounds and/or DJ needs to come in a worse version of himself by leaps and bounds - and Dodson is actually close to the equal fighter that night B: If A is untrue, than he will need to land multiple very low percentage fight changing shots in 2-3 of the rounds C: If A and B are untrue, than DJ would need to make a large mistake at the perfect time for Dodson and get flatlined by 1 shot/follow-up I see the sum of those three scenarios being less than 10 percent, and feel like the sample sizes of their fights is so large that we can be fairly certain about it, so I'd handicap him as a +900 dog. Under that pretense DJ is a low risk bet with a +ev of .08 unit per unit bet. Sign me up .

Yea you might be right man

When i talked about the whole Solid/Streaky thing, the thing is, i think both DJ and Dodson are the solid type, which means the upset is less likely.

I'm still very tempted to bet dodson, because this thing will probably last 5 rounds, and Dodson has serious KO power and very high skills, so i think all it takes is for DJ to make a mistake. Obviously, that probably won't happen, but hey i'm a fish xD

Well, all that said I just bet Dodson via Split/Majority Decision +1725 $50.00 to win 872.50.

If I lose on this big, I don't want it to be because of a robbery due to a few big hits by Dodson where DJ was controlling the whole fight. If 2 judges decide that shit is more important, a split decision is a def possibility.

I think Rumble is gonna take Manuwa down and pound the shit out of his face. Manuwa is gonna have flashbacks of Rumble vs. Gustafsson once it hits the mat.

Regarding streaky fighters, Manuwa is the epitome of a streaky fighter*. His record speaks for itself:

- Kyle Kingsbury (His eye got swollen shut so the doctor stopped it in-between rounds. He is retired from MMA. Kingsbury was never a top 10 fighter.)
- Cyrille Diabate (He got a leg injury and he quit on the stool after round 1 ended. He is retired from MMA. Diabate was never a top 10 fighter.)
- Ryan Jimmo (He got a leg injury at the beginning of round 2. He's 3-4 in the UFC and is on a 2-fight losing streak. Jimmo isn't a top 10 fighter.)
- Alexander Gustafsson (He took Manuwa down and controlled him easily once they were on the mat. Gustafsson is a top 3 fighter.)
- Jan B?achowicz (He threw a bunch of strikes that either missed, or did no damage at all, and he backed up the entire fight. Manuwa didn't look good either, but he clearly won this shit-fest of a fight. Blachowicz isn't a top 10 fighter.)

And, if you believe in age playing a factor, Manuwa is 35, while Rumble is 31.

I can def see Rumble taking down Manuwa and pounding on him due to them bringing in Neil Malancon, but I don't think its a very likely outcome unless AJ gets hurt with something and decides to shoot...

I've seen Jimmy stuff a lot of deep shots against strong guys like Blachowitz, but Gus used that same kind of 'turn the corner' center-of-the-cage takedown he used against Jones to get Manuwa down. It was really slick. Once he had Manuwa down, he actually had trouble getting any real damage off - the more effective part was tiring Manuwa out who had to use a lot his energy to keep the Mauler from Mauling, but Jimi had a very serviceable guard and had a nice get-up...

I don't see AJ as half the top position GnPer that Gus is so that wouldn't be my primary concern if I was Jimmy, especially because if AJ shoots and works for it and fails, that's a lot of energy wasted.... and the best I can think of to beat AJ is to get him tired. He's just too good otherwise.

AJ has all the tangible advantages but is just too much of a headcase and the matchup of two heavy-weight quality hitters with great technique squaring off is too random in it of itself for me to lay close to -600 on AJ.

I can't lay a bet on this fight unless I see something at weigh-ins AND Manuwa gets above +500

Other than that there are just so many FAR better spots than this in MMA betting, I'll pass

Pretty proud of this bet, wish I hadn't thrown so much money down on this card already or I would have gone bigger on it.

I took 'Blachowitz > Anderson (Scorecards = No Action)' @ -227 and the over 2.5 rounds @ -150, the ladder for a little bit less.

I feel like this is a very good strategy for this particular fight because I see it going the distance most of the time and am getting good value on the over, but in the event that there is a finish, I am almost positive it will be Blachowitz doing to the finishing.

Blach finish under 2.5 rounds = break even
Blach finish over 2.5 rounds = big profit
Anderson finish under 2.5 rounds = lose
Anderson finish over 2.5 rounds = break even
No finish = profit

The only way I lose is if Anderson gets a finish in under 2.5 rds, in which case I would lose big, but that would boggle my mind.

soberstone you have this bad habit of using than instead of then, maybe it gets autocorrected to wrong i dont know

On September 02 2015 19:08 MysticJoey wrote: soberstone you have this bad habit of using than instead of then, maybe it gets autocorrected to wrong i dont know

Damn son, such a random post in an MMA thread.

On September 02 2015 03:43 PuertoRican wrote: I think Rumble is gonna take Manuwa down and pound the shit out of his face. Manuwa is gonna have flashbacks of Rumble vs. Gustafsson once it hits the mat. Regarding streaky fighters, Manuwa is the epitome of a streaky fighter*. His record speaks for itself: - Kyle Kingsbury (His eye got swollen shut so the doctor stopped it in-between rounds. He is retired from MMA. Kingsbury was never a top 10 fighter.) - Cyrille Diabate (He got a leg injury and he quit on the stool after round 1 ended. He is retired from MMA. Diabate was never a top 10 fighter.) - Ryan Jimmo (He got a leg injury at the beginning of round 2. He's 3-4 in the UFC and is on a 2-fight losing streak. Jimmo isn't a top 10 fighter.) - Alexander Gustafsson (He took Manuwa down and controlled him easily once they were on the mat. Gustafsson is a top 3 fighter.) - Jan B?achowicz (He threw a bunch of strikes that either missed, or did no damage at all, and he backed up the entire fight. Manuwa didn't look good either, but he clearly won this shit-fest of a fight. Blachowicz isn't a top 10 fighter.) And, if you believe in age playing a factor, Manuwa is 35, while Rumble is 31.

Exactly, Manuwa is very streaky, which is good when he is a big underdog. Streaky fighters can sometimes do really well (and sometimes really bad).

Age is important, but the heavier they are, the less it plays a role, imo. 35 at light heavyweight isn't a big deal... the champ is 36.

I can't tell if I'm wrong and Manuwa is the live dog based off that logic, or if I'm right and Dodson is the live dog based off my logic.

I use the Edgar vs Faber fight for reference, which really showed me how hard it is to win without a specific edge for reference, but AJ vs Manuwa is different weight class and less grinder-like mechanics. I think that Manuwa does best against fish he can kick in the stomach or something, and AJ can be considered fishy/streaky in some ways, but also seems better at every aspect.

I think that one of these underdogs is a mirage. I think one of them is going to win, I just don't know which one, and I don't think that both will win. I could bet on both, that might be profitable, I would prefer to think deeper and pick one with confidence.

I'm still leaning towards Dodson, because I can clearly see him winning if he is a little more conservative. Or if he does serious damage, I can see him winning through that way too. Those are both viable win paths. I think DJ is really good at adapting, but its hard to really be that good at adapting. Cardio + Adapting are his only edges really, yeah I'm taking Dodson. I'm not sure that Cardio + Adapting > Athleticism + Power at their respective levels, especially not sure that the favor is 80%+. Prove me wrong.

It wasn't like their first match was a one sided battle, I don't think that DJ is that dominating of a matchup for Dodson. I can see fans hype and past records skewing odds towards DJ, away from truth. I very much like these odds. I like that split decision bet too.

On September 04 2015 00:03 Minsk wrote: I can't tell if I'm wrong and Manuwa is the live dog based off that logic, or if I'm right and Dodson is the live dog based off my logic. I use the Edgar vs Faber fight for reference, which really showed me how hard it is to win without a specific edge for reference, but AJ vs Manuwa is different weight class and less grinder-like mechanics. I think that Manuwa does best against fish he can kick in the stomach or something, and AJ can be considered fishy/streaky in some ways, but also seems better at every aspect. I think that one of these underdogs is a mirage. I think one of them is going to win, I just don't know which one, and I don't think that both will win. I could bet on both, that might be profitable, I would prefer to think deeper and pick one with confidence.

I'm gonna bet both of them.

I think Dodson vs DJ is a fight similar to something like Aldo vs Mendes. Both guys are super skilled. DJ is clearly more skilled, but i think Dodson easily can win this at least 20%. I almost guarentee people betting DJ will at least sweat a lot at some point in the fight, Dodson is no joke.

Manuwa vs AJ.... those guys have such KO power its almost like an HW fight imo. in an HW fight, i'm almost always gonna be the +500 dude unless he is clearly very outmatched, which i don't think is the case here.

If I was gonna bet on Manuwa, I'd bet his KO/TKO line, which is currently +725. If Manuwa wins, it won't be by a decision.

Regarding Rumble, if you don't count his welterweight fights (which no one does anymore, as it's retarded to do so at this point), why would you describe him as a "streaky" fighter? His modern day record LHW and HW suggests the opposite of streaky. Or, do you mean he's streaky in a different way?

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MMA Gods please bless us with the throwing of PVZ to JJ already and let us enjoy that moment. PVZ is a warrior so maybe she'd make it past 2:30 of the first. Hell, maybe JJ just plays with her food for a round.

No matter what, it would be a glorious day.

And I bet JJ would only be like a 7:1 favorite or something absurd like that. Would throw the house down. If I owned one, I might literally throw it down.

Regarding Alex Chambers, now I just noticed her submission line opened at +1850 and is currently +1600, while her current ML is +950.

You might as well sprinkle a couple bucks on her submission line since it's the only* way she can win.

No way on earth they give PVZ to JJ any time soon. Unless matchmakers suddenly got really high. Or PVZ starts looking like shit and they feel like they need to cash her out. Which I don't think will happen (actually am relatively high on PVZ for what she is) but I just don't see her skillset ever improving enough for her to challenge JJ with any seriousness. Not only is JJ a monster...seems like a bad style matchup for PVZ

On September 04 2015 20:19 iakim322 wrote: No way on earth they give PVZ to JJ any time soon. Unless matchmakers suddenly got really high. Or PVZ starts looking like shit and they feel like they need to cash her out. Which I don't think will happen (actually am relatively high on PVZ for what she is) but I just don't see her skillset ever improving enough for her to challenge JJ with any seriousness. Not only is JJ a monster...seems like a bad style matchup for PVZ

I completely agree with everyone you said.

I just want it.

They just announced JJ vs Letuernau at 193 so JJ can get that Rousey shade and squash the shit out of Letuernau (I'm happy for JJ, it's a big deal for her career because I think a lot of girls, not even close to most... but a lot, will end up liking her as much as Rousey)

(all my bets are embedded in first page spoiler)

Weigh-in bets:
Jimi Manuwa > Anthony Johnson 437 $25.00 to win 109.25 (bad bet, just want Manuwa to win)

Andre Arlovski > Frank Mir -150 $97.50 to win 65 (Already big on Arlovski or Mir rd 1 KO, now I'm even more sure, Mir was fat and 'Dre looked great)

Joe Riggs vs Ron Stallings = Under 2.5 rds +105 $75.00 to win 78.75 (Riggs looked fat and terrible and probably gonna go for it in rd 1)

Felder wins in Rd 2 400 $20.00 to win 80 (just saw odds and liked em :D)

Demetrious Johnson (124.5) vs. John Dodson (125) – for flyweight title
Andrei Arlovski (237.5) vs. Frank Mir (266)
Anthony Johnson (205) vs. Jimi Manuwa (204)
Corey Anderson (205) vs. Jan Blachowicz (205)
Alex Chambers (11) vs. Paige VanZant (116)
Paul Felder (155.5) vs. Ross Pearson (155.5)
John Lineker (135.5) vs. Francisco Rivera (136)
Jessica Andrade (134.5) vs. Raquel Pennington (136)
Clay Collard (146) vs. Tiago Trator (146)
Joe Riggs (187.5)* vs. Ron Stallings (184)
Nazareno Malegarie (156) vs. Joaquim Silva (154.5)

* Riggs was given one hour to cut to the middleweight max of 186 pounds.

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- Frank Mir is the heaviest he has ever been. He weighed 262 for his last fight, irrc. He mentioned after his last fight that he weighed in heavy on purpose, that he feels good weighing more.

- Jimi Manuwa looked softer than his last appearance, so I checked his last weigh-in and I was right; today he was 204, and he was 206 in April 2015. Manuwa said he had a torn ACL and MCL after his last fight and would need surgery. Nobody knows what his exact knee issue was at the time, but he did have some type of knee issue. Also, if he had either an ACL or MCL tear, he 100% wouldn't be healed by now. If he does have a lingering knee injury, it makes more sense that he weighs 2 pounds less for tomorrow's fight.

- Raquel Pennington looked the best she ever has, which includes her Invicta and UFC weigh-in appearances.

- Joe Riggs moved up from 170 for this fight because he hated the way he looked, and probably didn't feel that great either. He last fight (a loss to Patrick Cote) was a grapple-fest, and aside from that fight, Cote has looked relatively good in his return to the UFC. During today's weigh-in, Riggs didn't look amazing, and he was overweight by 1.5 pounds. Right after he missed weight, a bunch of bookies pulled the line on Riggs.

- Joaquim Silva has fought at 170 before, and is a natural 155`er, while Malegarie is coming up in weight for this fight. Malegarie is usually a 135-145`er, and it showed in his physique when he hit the scale. Silva was much more ripped and will be the heavier/stronger man tomorrow, while Malegarie will look relatively the same tomorrow in the octagon.

I totally agree on Pennington, and I also thought Andrade looked a little fatter than usual which makes sense, shortish notice

Interesting Frank Mir says that about being fat... and I believe it too because it's not a bad strategy for HW, but the fact is, you are basically just playing for the early KO/SUB at that point. This version Mir is gonna be fucked if the fight gets out of the first. Which I guess was always Mir, so he's just playing to his strengths.

Also I was worried about Arlovski being a juice risk, and he probably is on the sauce, but he didn't stop and that's what matters - he looked magnificent.

@Sholler_UFC: Joe Riggs made weight at 185.5 pounds.

@FrontRowBrian: Backstage-- Joe Riggs collapsed. Rough shape. Receiving medical attention.

On September 05 2015 00:32 PuertoRican wrote: @Sholler_UFC: Joe Riggs made weight at 185.5 pounds. @FrontRowBrian: Backstage-- Joe Riggs collapsed. Rough shape. Receiving medical attention.

Fucking FRBrian.... going to make them scrap it.

In all seriousness, if he's not well, the man shouldn't fight.

Manuwa is at +530 at some places right now. I think it is worth it for a small bet. Rumble will most likely dismantle him fast, but no way He should be that big of a favorite in this match up.

I also like Rivera on this card. His line is good and I am betting that as well.

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laying some money on Jan Blachowitz at -110. Great odds that. Corey Anderson sucks.

Great job by Raquel Pennington in staying calm and then getting a submission win.

Manuwa looks huge in that weigh in, was he wearing shoes or what?

On September 06 2015 00:52 jvilla777 wrote: Manuwa looks huge in that weigh in, was he wearing shoes or what?

Yes.

Skip to 24:30 of the video.

Pennington was such a nice bet at +215, a real steal

I like the under bet on Lineker vs Rivera in retrospect.

LINEKER baby!

Thought this just seemingly the other week when he fought Barboza but Felder needs more than just a little polish to his obviously talented striking. Maybe that sounds harsh but only because it doesn't seem like he's far from the absolute top level...but in a way, he kind of is.

Paul Felder, the guy who busted a lot of parlays and various other bets tonight.

wow felder crushed my night lol. Guy couldn't land a punch

Thought more people would have Felder in my DK lineups. Still a fair amount but still thought it'd be more. Guess I suck for having him in 4 out of my 6 lineups

On September 06 2015 01:56 iakim322 wrote: Thought more people would have Felder in my DK lineups. Still a fair amount but still thought it'd be more. Guess I suck for having him in 4 out of my 6 lineups

I have Felder in 15 out of 18 teams.

Was up 9 units, now I'm down 2.

That sucked.

Everybody underestimated the boxing edge and I gave Felder way too much credit for bad he is inside punching range. He just got completely exposed.

Go back to KSW, Blachowicz!

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balrog op

Manuwa only looked like he had a chance during the weigh-in. Once they started the fight, he was dead.

Do you guys feel that was a clear win for Arlovski?

For some reason Johnson is making Dodson look really unathletic. Which shoulndn't be the case.

GG mental midget. I didn't really know he was this bad mentally.

Hes looked like he ate some really bad shit for the past 2 days and got about 6 hours of sleep the whole fight.

Dodson wasn't aggressive the entire fight. He seriously went into this fight expecting to counter-strike and somehow land a KO punch on Mighty Mouse... lmao!

This was a 1-sided due to Dodson fighting like shit, and now Mighty Mouse will get the heat for it because he dominated his opponent. And by heat, I mean less people will want to watch him fight now that he beat the 2 best guys in the division, twice!

Not that many people showed up to this card.

fuckin waste of 25 mins... last flyweight ill ever watch

DJ did exactly what was expected because so much better than Dodson its not even funny. Fuck the haters, just make money on the guy, he's amazing and should be a -900 favorite over anyone in the division.

If Felder or Collard win their split fuck losses, I'm up massive and if they both won my BR would have doubled.

+3 units ($150). Feels like a loss.

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Didnt dodson have a pretty big injury? Even in his last fight (which i thought there was an argument he lost) he looked a full step slower and just awful for the most part. UFC brass really rushed this rematch and now DJ has no one else to fight.

Arlovski fight saved me from really bad night.

I was sooo wrong today with my picks and special mention goes to Jan Blachowicz who was absolutely pummeled.

And Fransisco Rivera I thought will use his reach and more polished striking to stay away from Lineker, but funny enough he decided to brawl with him . What a retard and what a fight.

This event was so bad it had me half asleep through most of it, damn. Mighty mouse is unreal but i cant enjoy flyweight fights at all :/ thats just a shame, the guy is a beast.

On September 06 2015 07:53 northsails wrote: Arlovski fight saved me from really bad night. I was sooo wrong today with my picks and special mention goes to Jan Blachowicz who was absolutely pummeled. And Fransisco Rivera I thought will use his reach and more polished striking to stay away from Lineker, but funny enough he decided to brawl with him . What a retard and what a fight.

Same man i was really off this event. 4/12
And to add to this, 2 of my wins were decisions i shouldn't have won. I should have listened to sober more i guess

On September 06 2015 13:58 Raidern wrote: This event was so bad it had me half asleep through most of it, damn. Mighty mouse is unreal but i cant enjoy flyweight fights at all :/ thats just a shame, the guy is a beast.

Same man, i think this was one of the worst event in a long time. I think the best fight was possibly the linekar rivera fight, which didn't last long at all.

Heads up on McGeary vs Ortiz betting $1800 on that one at -450. Would probably have bet it all the way to -650. Also Holloway -320 vs Stephens.

On September 06 2015 15:51 Nazgul wrote: Heads up on McGeary vs Ortiz betting $1800 on that one at -450. Would probably have bet it all the way to -650. Also Holloway -320 vs Stephens.

Love it. I'm just waiting for McGreary Rd 1 and Rd 2 to come out. I doubt Tito gets any further.

On September 06 2015 04:43 Minsk wrote: GG mental midget. I didn't really know he was this bad mentally.

IMO, that fight had absolutely nothing to do with 'mental' strength. MM is just 18x better than everyone under 126. Picking against him is futile. You could put Conor McGregor's brain in Dodson's body and he'd still get absolutely smoked.

Thoughts on Card:

Boring.

Shame about MM.

Even some hardcore boxing fans can't stand watching Mayweather fight, and I hate to make that comparison because MM is SO much more offensive and finish oriented than Mayweather, but ultimately if you are just turned on by the violence, even if you completely understand what you are seeing, it's not entertaining. I don't hate on anyone who feels that way.

I'm pretty much the same way.... but with MM, I find it entertaining because he's just so much better and more complete than anyone else that's every competed and he pulls out new tricks every time, he even had a Jones spinning elbow from the clinch.... he is what Lightweight MMA will look like (with more KO's and devastating shots) in about 10 years. I think the prelims were great and the Main Event was fine but the fights that needed to deliver - Mir/Arlovski and Rumble/Manuwa (even though it had a KO, it was mostly boring) - didn't.

Arlovski will lose when facing a wrestler with a chin (like a Miocic) and he'll be a dog in my eyes against the Rothwell/Mitrione types.

Rumble's striking defense is so underrated and is what allows everything else to work so beautifully. That was a super impressive performance because he looked bigger, his cardio looked better, and short of Jones and Cormier, he's gonna beat pretty much everybody. I would love to see a Gus rematch because I do think that's a 50/50 fight.

If Corey Anderson GREATLY improves his striking defense, he can be a real problem at 205. He's got the cardio, athleticism, wrestling, chin, and toughness, but he gets hit way too much when exchanging at the beginning of fights. Not gonna fly vs the big hitters.

PVZ is probably going to lose her next fight, if not the one after that. They don't want her anywhere near JJ, she is only 21, and if they get her a loss in a close back and forth fight - vs say a Randa Markos or winner of Torres/Waterson - they can give her 3 more cans to beat up which is all they want out of her because she still draws eyeballs and is a star.

Felder's boxing sucks and his footwork is average, both are far behind the rest of his Muai-Thai centered game. He can trade with anyone at kicking range and has amazing counter-wrestling offense and defense - but that's where it ends.

Linekar's chin is nuts and he's live vs anyone.

Pennington didn't impress me despite winning my dog bet and getting a finish. He striking defense in the pocket is so shitty. Will probably have to fade her now. Andrade looked fat and out of shape or else she probably wins that fight again.

Clay Collard is a sad story of a low IQ fighter who blew his opportunity in the big show. Will fade Tiago Trator vs anyone decent - that guy is fucking terrible.

Joe Riggs should retire (obviously, should have retired like 5 years ago). Pathetic way to game the system and get a win. Stallings got fucked, he deserves another chance but his defense/chin is clearly gonna be a problem for him, he's actually pretty good.

Joakim Silva sucks and will lose to anyone decent, his striking is incredibly over-rated by Joe Rogan.

Studying the next Fight Night today so I can be ready to smash early lines.... if anyone wants to talk fights hit me on Skype @ soberstone86

On September 06 2015 17:10 soberstone wrote: Show nested quote + On September 06 2015 15:51 Nazgul wrote: Heads up on McGeary vs Ortiz betting $1800 on that one at -450. Would probably have bet it all the way to -650. Also Holloway -320 vs Stephens. Love it. I'm just waiting for McGreary Rd 1 and Rd 2 to come out. I doubt Tito gets any further.

I might just add some more if the round one line is good. Tito is so far out of his depth and he has never had any 'upset skills'.

On September 06 2015 22:18 Nazgul wrote: Show nested quote + On September 06 2015 17:10 soberstone wrote:   On September 06 2015 15:51 Nazgul wrote: Heads up on McGeary vs Ortiz betting $1800 on that one at -450. Would probably have bet it all the way to -650. Also Holloway -320 vs Stephens. Love it. I'm just waiting for McGeary Rd 1 and Rd 2 to come out. I doubt Tito gets any further. I might just add some more if the round one line is good. Tito is so far out of his depth and he has never had any 'upset skills'.

Except against Ryan Bader and Alexander Shlemenko. Most people thought both guys would crush old ass Tito.

McGeary is taller, longer, has a better chin, has better striking, has better BJJ, and has better cardio than Bader and Shlemenko. He's also undefeated and gets better with each fight.

You can upset people without upset skills, which is what I would classify the Schlemenko win under. The Bader fight is a good example of upset skills, but I think it is an absolute rarity for Tito. Not sure if this is making sense to you, but it's something I've always taken into account a lot with my betting. Things like good/bad chins, knockout power or flash subs.

doesn't that guy have poor takedown D?

That rumble fight was tight and the 2nd best fight behind lineker. Decent card overall . Maybe bad for a PPV but 10x better than the last fight night trash

Ps Felder sucks, fk that guy

On September 07 2015 04:47 Zadan wrote: doesn't that guy have poor takedown D?

Why does he need it?

"UFC 191's reported gate of $1.3 million is the lowest for a Las Vegas-based UFC pay-per-view card since UFC 49 in August 2004."

Johnson's last 4 gate totals:

vs. Dodson (Las Vegas) - $1.3 million
vs. Horiguchi (Montreal) - $668,000
vs. Cariaso (Las Vegas) - $2.2 million (Note: Card had Cerrone-Alvarez and McGregor-Poirier, original main event was Jones-Cormier)
vs. Bagautinov (Vancouver) - $1.14 million.

On September 08 2015 17:44 PuertoRican wrote: "UFC 191's reported gate of $1.3 million is the lowest for a Las Vegas-based UFC pay-per-view card since UFC 49 in August 2004." Johnson's last 4 gate totals: vs. Dodson (Las Vegas) - $1.3 million vs. Horiguchi (Montreal) - $668,000 vs. Cariaso (Las Vegas) - $2.2 million (Note: Card had Cerrone-Alvarez and McGregor-Poirier, original main event was Jones-Cormier) vs. Bagautinov (Vancouver) - $1.14 million.

Man it sucks because the guy is really talented, but i think there are 4 key things which makes a championship match interesting:

#1 Weight class. 125 lbs automatically is less interesting than 185 lbs
#2 Serious challenger + Dominant champion: someone dominant for so long like gsp or ronda attracts people. If the dominant champ is fightning someone who stands a real chance, like Aldo vs connor, it attracks people even more
#3 Charisma/style: Someone with a lot of charisma, like McGregor, or even like, Nick Diaz, attracks crowd much more.
#4 Interesting fights: People need to have the feeling that its going to produce an exciting fight, with possibly KOs and stuff.

Unfortunatly for MM, he has none of those. Yes he is dominant, but it actually makes it boring because he has no real challengers, so the fight is even more predictable.

nobody wants to see MM cause they know whats gonna happen and it wont happen in a particularly entertaining fashion either

my guess is his next fight willl either be on a double championship card or with a sick co main event like Jones's return or like Pettis vs Khabib

Sometimes narratives become so ingrained in the general dynamic of something that it is a self-fulfilling prophecy.

People bitch about DJ's personality (which is no less interesting than most of the champions, I actually find him very intelligent and a lot more listenable than say even my favorite fighter - Chris Weidman).

People bitch he doesn't talk enough shit (really? cuz GSP was such a shit talker.... and seriously, do we want everyone to be McGregor or Sonnen? I don't....)

People bitch about his size (MMA fans are a bit different, but lets get real, Floyd Mayweather is a little twerp, similar size to DJ, and is the most bountiful prize fighter ever)

People bitch about level of competition (Sure better than Rousey's or anyone in the HW division)

People say we already know what's gonna happen (Really? Than why are fools putting money on John Dodson - I'm sure everyone could have predicted he'd finish Horiguchi with an armbar with 1 second left in a 25 minute fight - that's not cool or unique or special right?)

At this point, it just is what it is - it's a self-fulfilling prophecy, whenever a DJ fight approaches, the media and UG's instinct is to say "ugh". We can't always put our finger on why someone is or isn't a draw. I think Ronda Rousey is just perfect place, perfect time, I find nothing special about her whatsoever and could care less about watching her squash women in fights that are border-line unconscionable.

To each their own.

My only point is that it's not Mighty Mouses fault at this point, there is ABSOLUTELY nothing he can do to change it, he just needs to wait for an interesting foil - much like Jose Aldo and Anderson Silva did before anyone gave a shit about them - the overall narrative that he is boring and vanilla is a self-fulfilling prophecy, it's more myth than fact but no one really cares.

All that said, let him co-main fights or headline Fox cards until a good, interesting foil comes along (No... not Henry Cejudo....) and if that doesn't happen, lets start talking super fight when BW can figure out its real champion and he gets a few scalps under his belt.

soberstone, since we have 2.5 weeks until the next event, I elect you to make the thread for the UFC Fight Night 75 card. Floofy can make the thread for the event after that.

I just blind bet MM and stopped watching the show after the rumble fight. It would be better if MM only fought 3 rounds, guy is talented but his fights r boring as fk.

Edit: ps. I prefer to read about MM's fight in 1 paragraph than to actually watch it.


And yeah Fk felder, guy sucks...

On September 09 2015 00:10 Spitfiree wrote: nobody wants to see MM cause they know whats gonna happen and it wont happen in a particularly entertaining fashion either

Your 100% right

they should make him fight someone at 135, like dillashaw. I would def want to watch that.

On September 09 2015 00:20 soberstone wrote: Sometimes narratives become so ingrained in the general dynamic of something that it is a self-fulfilling prophecy. I think Ronda Rousey is just perfect place, perfect time, I find nothing special about her whatsoever and could care less about watching her squash women in fights that are border-line unconscionable.

I agree Ronda is not a lot more interesting than MM, but there is a few key difference between the 2:

#1 Ronda is more charismatic and is more sexy
#2 Her matches are more fun to watch


This being said, my level of interest for a Ronda fight isn't a lot higher than for a MM fight.
Most interesting fights comming up are whitout a doubt 145 and 185, which i really can't wait to see.

Ronda has more attention because her style is fun to watch, she is a finisher, besides she is an average normal woman in terms of size. However Demetrious is like a dwarf beating other dwarfs, it will be more entertaining if he fought a person of another division or if he beats a big man, that would be impressive to watch.

What are you all discussing exactly and why? MM is MM, hes not going to change, fans arent going to change, what is exactly the point of this discussion that he doesn't draw the crowds that others do at the current moment? The only thing this discussion will really do is give him more fans in the future. Other than that nothing is going to change.

Soberstone, to say Dodson didn't get dominated had nothing to do with his mindset is blind. I fully agree that MM is 18x better than anyone else, and his body isn't actually worse than Dodson as was expected. But Dodson took away from himself any chance he had of winning that fight by marching to MM's tune, a clear example is not being able to get to level 3 and higher to scare MM. It's not that Dodson should normally win, but he has plenty of skills to make himself live, which were absent, so his mental game and choices put him into a drawing dead position. It's not that he would have won if he was stronger mentally, but he would have had chances.

Those types of fighters like Floyd Mayweather / MM have different peaks than other superstars. People come to see them for different reasons at different points in their careers. It's incorrect to compare the numbers straight up like that.

People like clownfests thats all
Thats why McGregor got so popular over such a short time. It's not like he s a sensational fighter, he just goes on stage - tells everyone to fuck off and that he s the shit cuz he s what sells the fights and it's not like he s wrong, but thats what people wanna see ... a clownfest

Rousey on the other hand is a strong independant woman with the mindset of a true winner while being very dominant at her division at the right time, MMA s booming right now and a story such as Rousey is just blasted through media. I can bet your ass 80% of ppl that know who Rousey is haven't ever heard of Anderson Silva or Jon Jones which are possibly the 2 biggest names in the UFC past years?

There are a bunch of factors that click together right.

I was thinking about why Mayweather is such a superstar and the answer is kind of obvious .. cuz he s a clown as well. It's not like he s an entertaining boxer. Sure he s obviously the best and will probably retire undefeated, but people are there cause of the image he has in the media and he s built it well. After all who isn't curious about a guy that literally can't read that gets millions to fight and posts pictures of his random baller lifestyle while being an undefeated champion

You cant be a midget, fight in a boring way, have no outstanding personality and have no interesting narrative or rivalries... people wont watch that, simple as that.

On September 11 2015 01:00 Spitfiree wrote: People like clownfests thats all Thats why McGregor got so popular over such a short time. It's not like he s a sensational fighter, he just goes on stage - tells everyone to fuck off and that he s the shit cuz he s what sells the fights and it's not like he s wrong, but thats what people wanna see ... a clownfest Rousey on the other hand is a strong independant woman with the mindset of a true winner while being very dominant at her division at the right time, MMA s booming right now and a story such as Rousey is just blasted through media. I can bet your ass 80% of ppl that know who Rousey is haven't ever heard of Anderson Silva or Jon Jones which are possibly the 2 biggest names in the UFC past years? There are a bunch of factors that click together right. I was thinking about why Mayweather is such a superstar and the answer is kind of obvious .. cuz he s a clown as well. It's not like he s an entertaining boxer. Sure he s obviously the best and will probably retire undefeated, but people are there cause of the image he has in the media and he s built it well. After all who isn't curious about a guy that literally can't read that gets millions to fight and posts pictures of his random baller lifestyle while being an undefeated champion

McGregor's popularity is not just his personality imo

He is insanely fun to watch, his style is like mesmerizing
His trash talk is interesting, similar to Nick Diaz
He is insanely dominant, and people truly believe he is a favorite over the all time champ Aldo

It's probably insulting to be comparing him to Diaz as McGregor is actually really really smart at least I feel that way from what I've seen in interviews and etc.
He is very aware of where he is and he abuses that to the fullest on top of that he is aware of how to build an entertaining image. Don't get me wrong what he's done is something extraordinary and hard to accomplish, but he s not just a fighter - he takes it to the next level. If he takes the title he ll go global like Rousey imo

On September 11 2015 22:45 Spitfiree wrote: It's probably insulting to be comparing him to Diaz as McGregor is actually really really smart at least I feel that way from what I've seen in interviews and etc. He is very aware of where he is and he abuses that to the fullest on top of that he is aware of how to build an entertaining image. Don't get me wrong what he's done is something extraordinary and hard to accomplish, but he s not just a fighter - he takes it to the next level. If he takes the title he ll go global like Rousey imo

There is no doubt McGregor is way more than Diaz. I was just stating that trash talking like Diaz does is something that attracts viewers, and McGregor does it very well. The difference between the 2 is, McGregor has way more than just trash talking.

i cant scroll down or up on sherdog, is anyone experiencing the same? cant read any of it basically

Invicta FC 14 just started 5 minutes ago. Here's the card:

Tonya Evinger vs. Pannie Kianzad
Katja Kankaanpaa vs. DeAnna Bennett
Roxanne Modafferi vs. Mariana Morais
Rachael Ostovich vs. Andrea Lee
Cindy Dandois vs. Megan Anderson
Jamie Moyle vs. Sharon Jacobson
Jinh Yu Frey vs. Liz McCarthy
JJ Aldrich vs. Rosa Acevedo
Aspen Ladd vs. Amanda Bobby Cooper
Rachel Wiley vs. Felicia Spencer

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Also, Floyd Mayweather Jr's "final fight" is tonight against Andre Berto.

Everything is available on the same websites we always use to watch MMA.

McGeary down to -600 yay

On September 06 2015 15:51 Nazgul wrote: Heads up on McGeary vs Ortiz betting $1800 on that one at -450. Would probably have bet it all the way to -650. Also Holloway -320 vs Stephens.

thanks for the heads up. got him at -470, hes now -1000. Great tips

anyone watching bellator???

On September 20 2015 02:16 Zadan wrote: anyone watching bellator???

Yep.

Some decent fights thus far. Nothing amazing, but decent nonetheless.

Who do u got for Davis / mo ?

On September 20 2015 02:53 Zadan wrote: Who do u got for Davis / mo ?

I like King Mo over Davis.

Lol Wtf carmont vs Davis

Fedor returns to MMA on New Years Eve, at an event in Japan. Spike TV will air the event in America.

King Mo got his ribs injured in his fight against Linton Vassell, and the doctors wouldn't clear him to fight Phil Davis. Linton Vassell also didn't get cleared to fight Davis, so Francis Carmont was their last option.

Fucking fedor, knew it was too good to be true for him to go to UFC

On September 20 2015 04:15 Zadan wrote: Fucking fedor, knew it was too good to be true for him to go to UFC

Yeah don't know what's up with him or what beef he has with the UFC or if the UFC just doesn't want to pay him for some reason.

That show was heaps good imo. Bellator should do more shows like this rather than the UFC type shows.

On September 20 2015 04:44 jvilla777 wrote: That show was heaps good imo. Bellator should do more shows like this rather than the UFC type shows.

I agree, it had good fights, and the level of competition was good.

You know, I just thought about this, but now it pissed me off. Why can't sportsbooks have the % to win in the betting boxes instead of or along with the odds.