UFC FN 60: Henderson vs. Thatch

Date: Saturday, February 14th
Preliminary Card (UFC Fight Pass): 18:30 LP.net / 4:30pm PST / 7:30pm EST
Preliminary Card (Fox Sports 1): 19:00 LP.net / 5pm PST / 8pm EST
Main Card (Fox Sports 1): 21:00 LP.net / 7pm PST / 10pm EST
Live Streams: http://www.vipbox.tv (All MMA events are listed under the UFC button. Press the UFC button and you'll see the event in the list.)





Main Card (Fox Sports 1)

Benson Henderson (21-5) vs. Brandon Thatch (11-1) (Welterweight)
Max Holloway (11-3) vs. Cole Miller (21-8) (Featherweight)
Neil Magny (13-3) vs. Kiichi Kunimoto (18-5-2) (Welterweight)
Dan Kelly (8-0) vs. Patrick Walsh (5-1) (Middleweight)
Michel Prazeres (18-1) vs. Kevin Lee (9-1) (Lightweight)
Ray Borg (7-1) vs. Chris Kelades (8-1) (Flyweight)

Preliminary Card (Fox Sports 1)

Efrain Escudero (22-9) vs. Rodrigo de Lima (8-2-1) (Lightweight)
Chas Skelly (13-1) vs. Jim Alers (13-1) (Featherweight)
Zach Makovsky (18-5) vs. Tim Elliott (10-5-1) (Flyweight)
James Moontasri (7-2) vs. Cody Pfister (11-3-1) (Lightweight)

Other

- Nik Lentz vs. Levan Makashvili was cancelled prior to the weigh-ins, as Lentz had the flu and wasn't allowed to fight.
- A welterweight bout between Matt Brown and Tarec Saffiedine was expected to serve as the event headliner. However, on January 1, the UFC announced that Saffiedine had pulled out of the bout, citing a groin injury he sustained in training. On January 13, Brown was pulled from the event in favor of a matchup with former UFC Welterweight Champion Johny Hendricks at UFC 185. Subsequently, a welterweight bout between Stephen Thompson and Brandon Thatch was promoted to the main event. In turn, Thompson pulled out of the fight on January 30, citing a rib injury. After UFC 183, it was announced that former UFC Lightweight Champion Benson Henderson agreed to step up as a replacement on 14 days notice.
- Jake Lindsey was scheduled to face James Moontasri at the event. However on January 26, Lindsey pulled out of the bout citing injury and was replaced by promotional newcomer Cody Pfister.
- Thiago Tavares was expected to face Nik Lentz at the event. However in late January, Tavares pulled out of the bout citing injury and was replaced five days later by promotional newcomer Levan Makashvili.

Shitty event. I will only bet on Henderson by decision (+280), great odds imo.

Seems like LP was updated recently. Bullet points don't show up in this thread, and the bullet points from my other thread are now changed, too. Also, LP was down for an hour or more earlier today.

- Thatch > Henderson
- Holloway > Miller
- Magny > Kunimoto
- Kelly > Walsh (Most people are shitting on Kelly because he's 37, and are overrating Walsh for some reason. Kelly is the underdog, but I think he's the right play here because he's a Judo/wrestler, he's a finisher, and he has more experience in MMA and competing in high level Judo events.)
- Prazeres > Lee (Lee is the favorite, he's much younger, and has a 10 inch reach advantage. Both guys have shown holes in their game, but I think Prazeres has higher fight IQ, and I also see this match being close. Prazeres is the bet imo.)
- Borg > Kelades
- Lentz > Makashvili (Makashvili has 1 round to get a TKO, then he'll get overwhelmed and owned via high elevation and smothering.)
- Escudero vs. Lima (dunno. Escudero sucks, and I don't remember shit about this random BJJ fighter from Brazil.)
- Skelly vs. Alers (Very even match. At +160, Alers is the clear play. Both fight with the same game plan, but Alers is stronger than Skelly.)
- Elliott > Makovsky
- Moontasri > Pfister

On February 09 2015 02:17 alejandicto wrote: Shitty event. I will only bet on Henderson by decision (+280), great odds imo.

This actually looks like an entertaining event on paper. There's plenty of good match-ups.

I actually love this event, especially for betting (although I'm pissed the Borg line has moved so much since it opened)

Thatch > Henderson - Betting Thatch, I think Benson made a horrible decision taking this fight, if better stay away from the clinch for a solid round or two and try and frusterate Thatch before shooting or hes gonna get finished
Holloway > Miller - Don't see a reasonable path to victory for Cole, Holloway would have to slip on the banana peal and even than he'd probably slip a sub or two, on the feet hes a few levels above Cole
Magny > Kunimoto - UFC throwing Magny a gimme for being so active
Kelly v Walsch - Dunno but I like what Rican says based on the Kelly fight I did see, he's a strong mo-fo
Lee > Prazeres - Need to watch more Prazares but I was really impressed with Lee vs Iaquinta, he almost won that fight, and hasn't lost since
Borg > Kalades - Kalades has a lot of heart and I like him and think he can survive to a decision but I don't think he has shit for Borg
Lentz > Makashvili - Via normal Lentzing
Escudero vs Lima - Dunno shit about Lima, agree Escudero is bad and has horrible fight IQ - he has some power though
Skelly > Alers - Disagree with Rican, think Skelly is stronger than Alers and is a great bet here, I think he rolls him up
Makovsky > Elliot - Like both guys, more-so Elliot, super exciting and goes for it, but I'm going off the fact that I know Makovsky is all in in a high level training environment and Formiga was just a tough fight matchup wise for Zack
Moontasri v Pfister - Dunno

Bets I Like:

Thatch, Holloway, Skelly Parlay at +270

Nice little story.

People I respects analysis are making me re-think my bets, blows, I like to go with my gut, but I might end up sitting this one out on bookmaker.... but probably not cuz I'll be bored and go degen. Anyway, less confident in the parlay I listed than I was, although I really will stick with the fact that Holloway shouldn't lose that fight but 1/10 times and I'm gonna feel like an idiot for writing this if Thatch just goes in and destroys Benson like I kinda think he will.

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For the second time in six months, Nik Lentz has had a UFC fight canceled on weigh-in day.

Sources close to the promotion told MMAjunkie that Lentz has flu-like symptoms. Doctors ruled him ineligible today.

http://mmajunkie.com/2015/02/nik-lent...uled-for-ufc-fight-night-60-cancelled

Conor is like -130 vs Aldo lol.

Have total $585 on Aldo now after betting him at -195 (wtf) for $195.

So funny, I was listening to Dolce brag on the JRE podcast about how easy the cut was for Lentz based on their bro-science - guess not.

On February 13 2015 22:46 Nazgul wrote: Conor is like -130 vs Aldo lol.

Pisses me off so much, I really hope McGregor ends up as atleast some sort of dog, because he's going to smash Aldo.

Edit: I know people are going to laugh at this and think I'm falling for the hype train... but the bottom line is Aldo won't be able to land leg kicks very easily as McGregor is always moving forward, Aldo gets hit WAY too much and Mcgregor has Welterweight power in his shots, and his cardio, while untested from a 5-round perspective, looks amazing. He's barely breathing after he smashes these cats. The hype train of clowns and super-fans almost blinds people from seeing that it's actually legitimate hype. These aren't stupid Irish clowns shifting the lines 40 points in 1 hour on specific sites, these are sharks.

On February 13 2015 22:46 Nazgul wrote: Conor is like -130 vs Aldo lol.

Aldo is -130 vs. Conor -110 on 5dimes.

The best price you can currently get for Aldo is -124 on SportsBet. The best price you can currently get on Conor is +135 on BetOnline.

On February 13 2015 22:47 soberstone wrote: Show nested quote + On February 13 2015 22:46 Nazgul wrote: Conor is like -130 vs Aldo lol. Pisses me off so much, I really hope McGregor ends up as atleast some sort of dog, because he's going to smash Aldo. Edit: I know people are going to laugh at this and think I'm falling for the hype train... but the bottom line is Aldo won't be able to land leg kicks very easily as McGregor is always moving forward, Aldo gets hit WAY too much and Mcgregor has Welterweight power in his shots, and his cardio, while untested from a 5-round perspective, looks amazing. He's barely breathing after he smashes these cats. The hype train of clowns and super-fans almost blinds people from seeing that it's actually legitimate hype. These aren't stupid Irish clowns shifting the lines 40 points in 1 hour on specific sites, these are sharks.

I think Conor is a legitimate fighter he is incredible.

However: Aldo is 28 years old in the prime of his life and in conversation for being one of the greatest of all time. He's motivated for this fight and coming off of what is arguably the best performance of his life. He hasn't lost in 15 UFC/WEC fights and won 10 title fights in a row. Edgar who I consider one of the P4P best fighters out there couldn't touch him the first two rounds which blew my mind. I don't know I just don't see how beating Denis Siver and Dustin Poirier can ever put you at even odds with this monster.

Bellator 133 starts in a couple hours. I didn't make a thread for it cuz I've been busy.

Link for the prelims: http://www.spike.com/shows/bellator-mma/live

Main Card (Spike TV at 6pm PST/9pm EST)

Alexander Shlemenko vs. Melvin Manhoef
Pat Curran vs. Daniel Weichel
Julia Budd vs. Gabrielle Halloway
Chris Honeycutt vs. Clayton MacFarlane

Preliminary Card (Spike.com 5pm PST/8 pm ET)

Art Arciniega vs. Emilio Chavez
Blake Watkins vs. George Zuniga
Paul Ruiz vs. Nicolas Sperling
Marko Damiani vs. Mason Fowler

Preliminary Card on Spike.com (Following Manhoef vs. Shlemenko)

Nick Bustamante vs. Luis Jauregui
John Paul Elias vs. Cody Sons
Ryan Tobar vs. Jonathan Contrestano
Adam Piccolotti vs. Ray Cervera

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My bets for the Bellator card:

Budd/Holloway u2.5 +105 $5
Pat Curran -185 $20

I was thinking about betting Manhoef at +200, but his line dropped a lot during the past few hours.

conor will rape aldo, he is an anderson silva in the making. Then he will rape all the wrestlers people assume ufc has protected him, which is probably true but wont change the fact that he'll own em as well. There is only one...

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So Brandon Thatch looked a good 2 weight classes larger than Henderson, odds shifting... I never put money down at the right time.

On February 14 2015 01:44 soberstone wrote: So Brandon Thatch looked a good 2 weight classes larger than Henderson, odds shifting... I never put money down at the right time.

I was watching his line to see if it was going to get better than -110, but then it got to -115 and I put $50 down on Thatch before the weigh-in. The size factor was already known before the weigh-in, so I'm not sure what people were expecting. The only thing I can think of is maybe some bettors were hoping Thatch would look bad on the scale, dunno.

Henderson weighed in at 169, and he'll probably weigh 175 or less in the cage. Thatch weighed in at 170, and he'll be 190+ in the cage.

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Bellator main card: http://www.vipleague.se/boxing/278176...an-vs-weichel-live-stream-online.html

On February 14 2015 02:05 PuertoRican wrote: [QUOTE]On February 14 2015 01:44 soberstone wrote: So Brandon Thatch looked a good 2 weight classes larger than Henderson, odds shifting... I never put money down at the right time.

I was watching his line to see if it was going to get better than -110, but then it got to -115 and I put $50 down on Thatch before the weigh-in. The size factor was already known before the weigh-in, so I'm not sure what people were expecting. The only thing I can think of is maybe some bettors were hoping Thatch would look bad on the scale, dunno.

Henderson weighed in at 169, and he'll probably weigh 175 or less in the cage. Thatch weighed in at 170, and he'll be 190+ in the cage.

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Yah I agree I shouldve known on this one that this was gonna happen. Really changes nothing. If anything, it plays to the only strategy Benson has which is to drag it out in a rangy careful fight and take-over in the championship rounds.

Thatch looks like an absolute monster compared to bendo, I don't see how bendo can win. Thatch will probably fight once more this after after beating Ben and will be in talks for title contention.

He looks like a destroyer, he will be champion next year IMO, which is awesome because he's not a hug'n'pray fighter.

Note:IMO

Since Nik Lentz pulled out, this entire fight card will be on Fox Sports 1. The event starts in a little over an hour.

5pm Pacific time?

My bets pre-live betting:
+ Show Spoiler +

Man, Elliot is such a gamer. They shouldn't cut him even if he has lost 3 in a row. Give him a shitty Brazilian or something.

Makovsky did what he needed to do to win the fight, but ZzZzZz... Wrestle fucking is terrible for the sport, but good for gamblers.

Yah Elliot still found a way to make it a fun fight though.

UFC FN Thatch 2/13/2015 2/14/2015 Thatch + Holloway + Magny + Borg + Escudero + Skelly PL $25.00 +742
UFC FN Thatch 2/13/2015 2/14/2015 Thatch + Holloway + Skelly PL $25.00 +215
UFC FN Thatch 2/13/2015 2/14/2015 Thatch by KO PROP $25.00 +190

Well, I can already fully admit Skelly was a bad bet. Hopefully he pulls it off anyway.

That should not be a DQ - if the strike has begun before the fingers or knee touch, it is legal. That's atleast what they said on the Bellator broadcast yesterday.... plus Alers was completely done anyway. 1 TIME!

FWIW, altitude makes decent fighters look terrible.

NM, after re-watching, he was completely down it was blatently illegal, oh well, shoot it.

Sigh... Terrible head movement from Alers, and a retarded referee who was right in front of an illegal move that ended the fight.

Hopefully my night turns around.

Wasn't really the knee that ended the fight. But i don't really know why even kneeing in that situation.

I saw his hand on the floor before the knee strike started. In a vacuum you would say the fight was nearly over so it shouldn't be a DQ, but in terms of giving a signal to other fighters that would basically mean it's fine to finish your fight/opponent with an illegal knee.

Escudero with the win. That helped me crawl back, but still down some.

On February 15 2015 02:26 Nazgul wrote: I saw his hand on the floor before the knee strike started. In a vacuum you would say the fight was nearly over so it shouldn't be a DQ, but in terms of giving a signal to other fighters that would basically mean it's fine to finish your fight/opponent with an illegal knee.

I should take this back since the rule is dumb as fuck to begin with.

So many boring fighters in the world. Kind of decided I'm done watching fights.
66% of UFC is blobs of meat running into each other.

I could probably get the same entertainment value watching cows being herded.

Prazeres blew his wad in round 1. Usually it holds up for 2 rounds, but I guess the altitude owned him harder.

On February 15 2015 03:47 Minsk wrote: So many boring fighters in the world. Kind of decided I'm done watching fights. 66% of UFC is blobs of meat running into each other.

On February 15 2015 03:48 Minsk wrote: I could probably get the same entertainment value watching cows being herded.

You can say that about any sport. There's plenty of good and bad fights in MMA, NHL, NBA, NFL, boxing, etc.

Anyway, bye bye~

On February 15 2015 03:47 Minsk wrote: So many boring fighters in the world. Kind of decided I'm done watching fights. 66% of UFC is blobs of meat running into each other.

if you are not a hardcore MMA fight dont watch Fight Night cards, they have weak rosters

On February 15 2015 04:05 Baalim wrote: if you are not a hardcore MMA fight dont watch Fight Night cards, they have weak rosters

Yeah that sounds about right. Probably just end up watching the good cards.

Won over $100 on Kelly. I gave him round 1, and he clearly out-struck Walsh in rounds 2 and 3, while taking minimal damage. Bookies still had Walsh as -130 or worse after the fight was over, with Kelly at +100 or better.

dont know how that wasnt stopped at the end of the second or just beginning of the third before the rnc he wasnt fighting back at all and seems like he was just expecting it to be stopped already

The next two fights should be entertaining.

If Holloway doesn't work the body and get a TKO, him and Miller will land a lot of strikes and eat a lot of strikes and probably get FOTN.

Impressive round for Henderson. Thatch is so big/good/fast. Stamina seems there too.

HOLY FUCK. so impressed by Henderson right now. Incredible. First two rounds looked like he should have been +300.

FUUAAARK.. just when I thought bendo was on his career decline....

Lost money tonight, but it could've been much worse. Thank goodness for Kelly winning.

Called out Rory HAHAHAA fucking beast.

YES CALL OUT RORY, liking this WW Bendo

AND he fought with a toothpick in his mouth again.

Dam should went with benson. Wish I could get some crazy odds against making a UFC roster in like 16-24 months Id do it

I dont think thats possible unless you're already training seriously in which case you shouldnt need any extra motivation to do it

Benson looked really good, had him by decision but still happy he got the win

Benson is great.He is tough as nails and overcame a huge size difference.
At the beginning i could not focus on the fight ,but instead i was asking myself ''how on earth'' is Tatch making 170?!He must be walking at 220.

Its easy to say now that the fight happened, but i think we could have predicted this happening

Benson is #5 in the world lightweight
Thatch is around #21 in the world welterweight.

There is a super large difference of skills between a #5 and a #21

Benson also has better cardio (less muscle mass, didn't have to cut).
Also, Thatch has no experience in later rounds, and Benson has tons of experience in those.
So i think its safe to say Benson was going to do well if he survives first few rounds. And Benson isn't the easiest guy to KO.

what a performance. i thought benson won the first round, but the way thatch was ragdolling him in the 2nd, i didnt think benson could overcome that. thatch slowed slightly, but i dont think he was gassed. benson just found a hole in his game, and exploited it. all heart.

thatch is still a future champ level talent. hes pretty great at everything thats hard to learn and pretty terrible at the one thing that anyone can learn. a couple more years of ground work and he wont make those mistakes anymore. hes massive (2nd biggest 170er ive ever seen besides rumble), hits hard, moves forward, good defensive wrestling, and was throwing benson around like a grappling dummy. guy is gonna be around for a while

On February 15 2015 15:12 Floofy wrote: Its easy to say now that the fight happened, but i think we could have predicted this happening Benson is #5 in the world lightweight Thatch is around #21 in the world welterweight. There is a super large difference of skills between a #5 and a #21 Benson also has better cardio (less muscle mass, didn't have to cut). Also, Thatch has no experience in later rounds, and Benson has tons of experience in those. So i think its safe to say Benson was going to do well if he survives first few rounds. And Benson isn't the easiest guy to KO.

I watched the fight and still would not predict this happening if they fought tomorrow that's how amazing it was to see. Don't agree with this post in the slightest.

Thatch is also way better than #21.

The altitude in Colorado was owning several fighters last night. We might get a better line on Thatch in his next fight, since some people might question his cardio, his defensive BJJ, and the fact that he lost to a 155`er.

I saw Thatch's performance as good, but could've been better, especially with using more leg kicks. Benson did a good job at exploiting Thatch's ground game, and he fought a great fight overall, so I wasn't fazed by losing some big bets on Thatch like I am with other losses I've had in the past.

Anyway, I'll still take Thatch over most of the other welterweight fighters.

I meant that Thatch wasn't on the same level as Henderson skillwise in the other thread, but I didn't realize they weren't in the same weight class.

Thatch isn't a complete fighter, and Muay Thai is kind of like a bum hunting style where it absolutely plows through bad opponents, but is relatively easy to counter.

Henderson is a championship level fighter. An example of a championship level Muyu Thai base fighter is Anderson Silva. Notice how tricky Anderson is, its because the basic Muay Thai, the way Thatch employs it is quite easy to counter.

On February 15 2015 06:33 Nazgul wrote: AND he fought with a toothpick in his mouth again.

I thought this was a joke wtf. Then I paused the video and actually looked...

How is that even legal.

Maybe he's made it really wet, n squishy, I've tested just now on some match sticks!!