UFC on FOX 13: dos Santos vs. Miocic

Date: Saturday, December 13th
Preliminary Card (UFC Fight Pass): 14:30 LP.net / 12:30pm PST / 3:30pm EST
Preliminary Card (FOX): 16:00 LP.net / 2pm PST / 5pm EST
Main Card (FOX): 19:00 LP.net / 5pm PST / 8pm EST
Live Streams: http://www.vipbox.tv (All MMA events are listed under the UFC button. Press the UFC button and you'll see the event in the list.)





Main Card (FOX)

Junior dos Santos (16-3) vs. Stipe Miocic (12-1) (Heavyweight)
Rafael dos Anjos (22-7) vs. Nate Diaz (17-9) (Lightweight)
Alistair Overeem (37-14) vs. Stefan Struve (25-6) (Heavyweight)
Gabriel Gonzaga (16-8) vs. Matt Mitrione (8-3) (Heavyweight)

Preliminary Card (Fox Sports 1)

John Moraga (15-3) vs. Willie Gates (11-4) (Flyweight)
Claudia Gadelha (12-0) vs. Joanna Jedrzejczyk (7-0) (Women's Strawweight)
Joe Riggs (40-14) vs. Ben Saunders (17-6-2) (Welterweight)
Jamie Varner (21-10-1) vs. Drew Dober (14-6) (Lightweight)
Derek Brunson (12-3) vs. Ed Herman (22-10) (Middleweight)
Joe Ellenberger (15-1) vs. Bryan Barberena (9-2) (Lightweight)

Preliminary Card (UFC Fight Pass)

David Michaud (7-1) vs. Garret Whiteley (7-2) (Lightweight)
Henry Cejudo (6-0) vs. Dustin Kimura (11-2) (Bantamweight)
Anthony Birchak (11-1) vs. Ian Entwistle (8-2) (Bantamweight)

Other

- John Moraga was expected to face Jussier Formiga at the event. However on November 21, Formiga pulled out of the fight and was replaced by UFC newcomer Willie Gates.

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First impression of the match-ups:

• JDS > Miocic
• RDA > Diaz (RDA is better than Diaz in every area of MMA. Diaz is mostly known for his boxing, but RDA's boxing is superior atm, and RDA has more power in his punches.)
• Overeem > Struve (lmao... Anyway, I think this is a good match-up for Overeem. Struve has terrible defense, doesn't have 1-punch KO power, has been away from competitive MMA for 1.5 years with a broken jaw and then his heart problem, and I think Overeem will be able to land his knees like he did with Brock Lesnar. I won't bet this fight, obv.)
• Gonzaga > Mitrione
• Moraga > Gates (Should be a good fight, and it's the one I'm most looking forward to on the prelims.)
• Gadelha > Jedrzejczyk (If Gadelha can't get the take downs, it will be bad for her, especially since Jedrzejczyk has the better cardio, imo.)
• Saunders > Riggs
• Varner > Dober
• Brunson > Herman
• Ellenberger vs. Barberena (dunno)
• Michaud vs. Whiteley (dunno)
• Cejudo > Kimura
• Birchak > Entwistle

im thinking whoever wins in gonzaga vs mitrione will fight schaub next for vengeance

Bellator are geniuses, make a reality show like TUF, then don't bind the winner with a contract.... what the fuck ? :D

Great main card. Dont know the odds yet but I will definitely bet Dos Santos by KO.

Overall, this card is sick good. It's not often that we get 13 fights on a UFC card anymore. I remember 2-3 cards with 13 people in 2014 didn't happen because 1-2 fights always got cancelled due to injury.

Also, there is another UFC event this Friday. I have to wait until Wednesday night to make the thread because it's UFC TUF 20 Finale, and the last 2 fights will be shown tomorrow night.

HENRY CEJUDO!!!

I think JDS kills Stipe, but I kinda hope Stipe wins and puts on a great performance just to make the HW division more interesting. Because right now it's pretty terrible.

RDA should besmirch Nate pretty handily. His footwork, angles, and kicking game are going to exploit the shit out of Nates awful footwork. Also he can probably out grapple Nate if he needs to. Though RDA has had some off nights where he doesn't look great, and if Nate can land some combo's on him he could be in trouble. RDA is prob like -270ish.

Prior to the Hunt loss, which was actually a really close fight till the broken jaw, Struve was on a hell of a streak. Both these guys seem prone to losing out of nowhere, so I have no idea who to pick. Reem seems like a bad match up for him but who knows.

I don't think Stefan Struve has much of a chance. Seems like the perfect matchup for a dummy like Overreem.

Well Im still exited to see any of Overeems fight no idea why tho, lets hope he doesnt find a way to loose this one too lol

No, I don't think that he can fuck this one up...the thing is that Stefan Struve will also be trying really hard to fuck it up. I don't think Overreem can beat him at that game.

I just hope Struve doesn't have anything internally happen to him during the fight. He was supposed to make his return earlier this year against Matt Mitrione, but he went through some shit right before he was supposed to walk to the octagon.

Here's the info from Wikipedia:

"Struve was expected to face Matt Mitrione on July 5, 2014 at UFC 175. During the first fight of the main card, however, Struve fainted in the dressing room and had an elevated heart rate. UFC personnel decided to cancel the fight. Struve was later taken to the hospital for precautionary reasons."

After Struve got knocked out against Mark Hunt, he had heart problems (not related to MMA):

"On August 20, 2013 Struve was reported to have suffered from a leaking aortic valve as well as an enlarged heart, doctors found that Stefan has a bicuspid aortic valve, which means that his aortic valve only has two leaflets, instead of three. It was decided to treat his condition with medication for the next two months. On October 8, 2013 reports came that Struve's heart condition was improving and that a return to fighting was still a possibility. November 24, 2013, it was reported that he was ready to return to a full training schedule."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefan_Struve

I suppose the doctors have to be extremely careful when allowing anybody with that medical history into the octagon, the UFC doesnt want to risk having a death in camera or something like that so I wouldnt worry about that too much.

I finally found the video that shows Stefan Struve crying backstage right before his fight. He knew his fight was cancelled, and he couldn't do anything about it. This shit was hidden in the UFC 177 thread.

Skip to 1:00 of the video.

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Whether he's okay or not, I'll still feel worried for him while he's in the octagon.

Pretty much anytime I see Overeem fighting on a card I have to ask myself: Would Cheick Kongo win this fight?

Overeem = Cheick Kongo

A bit off topic:
The pirate bay has been raided so it will be a while before they get it up again. Where the hell do i get TUF now ? Only last episode left and it airs in a few hours, but where do i see it after that

On December 10 2014 14:35 JonnyCosMo wrote: Pretty much anytime I see Overeem fighting on a card I have to ask myself: Would Cheick Kongo win this fight? Overeem = Cheick Kongo

That's hacist.

On December 10 2014 14:35 JonnyCosMo wrote: Pretty much anytime I see Overeem fighting on a card I have to ask myself: Would Cheick Kongo win this fight? Overeem = Cheick Kongo

I LOLd HARD hahahahhahhaha

Agree with all the picks, don't think there is much parody on this card. Like the favorites, I have to watch some of Willie Gates' fights because I don't think Moraga is that great and he is a pretty big favorite so there may be some value on the dog there, obviously can't say without watching him fight but I do think Moraga has got to be overrated by the betting public at this point due to his robbery over Ortiz and fluke win over Scoggins.

Think RDA is pretty sure-fire vs Diaz but I liked it better when the odds were closer.

Wouldn't bet on JDS only because of the pounding he's taken from Cain and Miocic is good enough to clip him.

Brunson is a complete lock over Herman.

$25 free roll: http://www.kountermove.com/r/kingdomm...-25-fantasy-mma-freeroll-game/558017/

On December 10 2014 22:27 PuertoRican wrote: $25 free roll: http://www.kountermove.com/r/kingdomm...-25-fantasy-mma-freeroll-game/558017/

Thanks for that link. Just out of curiosity, where do you get those freerolls links?

On December 10 2014 23:23 Floofy wrote: Show nested quote + On December 10 2014 22:27 PuertoRican wrote: $25 free roll: http://www.kountermove.com/r/kingdomm...-25-fantasy-mma-freeroll-game/558017/ Thanks for that link. Just out of curiosity, where do you get those freerolls links?

This is from last Saturday's UFC thread:

On December 03 2014 00:08 alejandicto wrote: Show nested quote + On December 02 2014 21:10 PuertoRican wrote: ---------- $1000 free roll: http://www.kountermove.com/join/35153...ufc-181-hendricks-vs-lawler-2-T-free/ $200 free roll: http://www.kountermove.com/r/siriusxm-fight-clubs-ufc-181-200-freeroll/547326/ $50 free roll: http://www.kountermove.com/r/mmasuckas-ufc-181-50-freeroll/547433/ Nice Man. How do you find this freerolls? I tried and I cant find them without your links : S

Some of them I already know about, like MMA Oddsbreaker, Fury's Fight Picks, and the Morency & Black links. For the ones I don't know about, I get them from the Sherdog "MMA Betting Thread" that I visit every day.

Did JDS really open as a +200 underdog for this fight?

$100 free roll: https://www.kountermove.com/join/3565...n-fox-13-dos-santos-vs-miocic-T-free/

On December 11 2014 07:13 ERASA wrote: Did JDS really open as a +200 underdog for this fight?

You got my hopes for a second. He's -400 right now. It looks like a couple of sites bungled the opening line somehow (5dimes being one of them).

Diaz misses weight by 5 lbs clearly didn't even try and make it. What a bitch. I love the Diaz bros but they are also just frustrating as hell to try and like.

UFC officials confirmed to MMAFighting.com that Diaz will not attempt a second chance to make weight. 20-percent of his purse will be forfeited to dos Anjos, who successfully weighed in at 156 pounds.

Wrong thread.

On December 12 2014 19:34 PuertoRican wrote: Bec Rawlings looked terrible. I missed the first round.

Wrong Thread

On December 12 2014 17:57 soberstone wrote: Diaz misses weight by 5 lbs clearly didn't even try and make it. What a bitch. I love the Diaz bros but they are also just frustrating as hell to try and like.

Does that mean we cant bet anymore on RDA in Kountermove?

Junior Dos Santos (242) vs. Stipe Miocic (243)
Nate Diaz (160.6)* vs. Rafael dos Anjos (156)
Alistair Overeem (253) vs. Stefan Struve (254)
Gabriel Gonzaga (256) vs. Matt Mitrione (259)
Claudia Gadelha (116) vs. Joanna Jedrzejczyk (116)
Willie Gates (126) vs. John Moraga (126)
Joe Riggs (171) vs. Ben Saunders (170)
Drew Dober (156) vs. Jamie Varner (156)
Derek Brunson (185) vs. Ed Herman (186)
Bryan Barberena (155) vs. Joe Ellenberger (156)
David Michaud (155) vs. Garett Whiteley (156)
Henry Cejudo (136) vs. Dustin Kimura (136)
Anthony Birchak (136) vs. Ian Entwistle (136)

* – Diaz missed weight and is fined 20 percent of his purse, which goes to dos Anjos.

On December 12 2014 22:16 Floofy wrote: Show nested quote + On December 12 2014 17:57 soberstone wrote: Diaz misses weight by 5 lbs clearly didn't even try and make it. What a bitch. I love the Diaz bros but they are also just frustrating as hell to try and like. Does that mean we cant bet anymore on RDA in Kountermove?

You can still pick RDA for Kountermove. Kountermove picks only change when a fight gets cancelled.

Do you still advise RDA as a pick tho? Since Diaz will be heavier

"Don't worry guys, I got this." - Joe Silva

On December 13 2014 08:52 Floofy wrote: Do you still advise RDA as a pick tho? Since Diaz will be heavier

I have RDA in 3 of my teams. He is better than Nate in every area, imo.

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Fight Pass prelims: http://firstrowus1.eu/watch/306161/2/watch-ufc-on-fox:-early-preliminaries.html

cejudo is a monster

Yeah, Cejudo looks elite.

There's also a WSOF event tonight, but I didn't think it deserved its own thread:

Rousimar Palhares vs. Jon Fitch (Welterweight Championship)
Rick Glenn vs. Lance Palmer (Featherweight Championship)
Sheymon da Silva Moraes vs. Gabriel Solorio
Brenson Hansen vs. Josh Berkovic
Lewis Gonzalez vs. Justin Buchholz

Sheymon is supposed to be a legit prospect, but I've never seen him fight. It's an entertaining card though. Too bad it's going up a much better card.

Well, if Cejudo can make 125 healthily - which he just proclaims he wants to do - they would fast-track him to title shot so fast its not even funny. I think he'd get picked apart on the feet by Mighty Mouse, but it would certainly be interesting.

FITCH......YOU HAVE ONE JOB.

Forgot to mention, the WSOF main event can be seen at 6pm PST/9pm EST on the NBC Sports Network.

You can find what channel it's on by scrolling down and looking on the right side of this website: http://www.nbcsports.com/

Wow....

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2014/12/13...-for-100s-of-millions-in-class-action

This could be one of the biggest things in MMA history.

On December 13 2014 15:33 Daut wrote: Wow.... http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2014/12/13...-for-100s-of-millions-in-class-action This could be one of the biggest things in MMA history.

Probably backed by the Las Vegas Culinary Union.

Shit i can't believe the fights started already. I really wanted to see how Cejudo looked.

Hearing he looked crazy good.

Does fightpass do replays of fightpass fights soon after? Like within a couple days or anything?

Didn't realize Joe Riggs is fighting already. His gunshot would looked really nasty,

henry cejudo looked like benevidez; moves similarly and throws the same types of combinations.

This Ellenberger fight is so terrible. These guys are awful. I was clearly being too hard on Joe Proctor yesterday, he would smoke either of these guys.

UFC on Fox 13: Derek Brunson vs. Ed Herman scrapped after Brunson suffers food poisoning


2 of my Kountermove teams were killed by Birchak losing, now my 3rd team gets killed because Brunson is sick, thus I only have 4 people on that 3rd team. ;/

BTW Henry Cejudo has an enormous dome.

The promo video for Varner/Dober just said that "Drew Dober is unbeaten in 5 of his last 7 fights."

Nice wording to get around saying Dober is on a 2-fight losing streak.

heard that too lol

Sucks for Varner. Was knocked out by a headbutt for a second. Exciting career though. Good for him getting out when he should.

Jamie Varner clinches with Dober > goes for a lateral drop > fails the drop and hits the back of his head on the mat > Dober lands kinda on top of Varner > Dober wins by crank or choke submission > Varner retires from MMA during the post-fight interview.

Fuck... Hopefully my WSOF Kountermove teams do better. I also have a Kountermove team remaining for the final 5 fights on this UFC card, so there's still hope.

On December 13 2014 16:08 Daut wrote: henry cejudo looked like benevidez; moves similarly and throws the same types of combinations.

Nice. Though I wish Benevidez would get more technical with his striking. Least improved guy by the Duange Ludwig effect. Dudes so fast though he's a beast. I loved when some commentator said trying to control him with grappling is like trying to control a greased pig lol. So true.

Damn back to back head injuries on takedowns lol. That's weird.

lol what is this card... in before JDS knocking himself out...

Damn... Crazy card...

Aside from UFC and WSOF, we also have boxing later on: Amir Khan vs. Devon Alexander.

So this is just pathetic. I feel bad about myself watching this.

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Nice submission from Moraga.

Round 1: Poland (close round that I gave to Brazil because of the take down, but Poland's uppercut at the end to drop Brazil won her the round.)

Round 2: Poland (Brazil got a take down at the end, but Poland dragged herself to the fence where she got back up before any GnP was done.)

Round 3: Brazil (Brazil didn't get much striking done, but she easily won this round via control.)

2-1 Poland via split-decision

Also, Brazil gave a cheap-shot to Poland after round 3 ended, while the referee was between them.

Overeem didn't get knocked out!!! Finally~~~

Fuck man, every fucking time I bet on Overeem he gets KTFO, and when I bet against him he wins and makes me wonder why I bet against him (He's so fucking bad at mma, thats why). I don't think I have guessed an Overeem fight right since before he fought Brett Rodgers.

Hows u guys's kountermove going? I have only 1 left which might do good:


Claudia Gadelha
44.5
Alistair Overeem
0
John Moraga
91
Ben Saunders
102
Derek Brunson
0

On December 13 2014 19:45 HaiVan wrote: Fuck man, every fucking time I bet on Overeem he gets KTFO, and when I bet against him he wins and makes me wonder why I bet against him (Hes's so fucking bad at mma, thats why). I don't think I have guessed an Overeem fight right since before he fought Brett Rodgers.

I haven't bet on the last 3 Overeem fights. The first time he lost, I was heart broken. The second time he lost, I was just pissed off. So, I just told myself to stay away from him altogether.

On December 13 2014 19:51 Floofy wrote: Hows u guys's kountermove going? I have only 1 left which might do good: Claudia Gadelha 44.5 Alistair Overeem 0 John Moraga 91 Ben Saunders 102 Derek Brunson 0

I lost 4 Kountermove teams earlier today because Anthony Birchak lost, and Derek Brunson got sick, so I got 6 points for Birchak and zero points for Brunson since his fight never happened. However, Kountermove has "premiere" events, which basically means you can bet on the Main Card of any UFC event, instead of betting the entire card.

I'm currently 8th out of 58 in my last remaining UFC Kountermove team. Top 12 get paid:

Junior dos Santos = TBA
Rafael dos Anjos = TBA
Alistair Overeem = 110.5
Matt Mitrione = 109
Joanna Jędrzejczyk = 42

http://www.kountermove.com/results/35...-vs-miocic-premier-fights-T-2/402602/

WSOF starts in 2 minutes on NBC Sports Network.

You can find what channel it's on by scrolling down and looking on the right side of this website: http://www.nbcsports.com/

WSOF is being delayed cuz this basketball keeps going into overtimes.

RDA looking great

On December 13 2014 19:58 PuertoRican wrote: Show nested quote + On December 13 2014 19:45 HaiVan wrote: Fuck man, every fucking time I bet on Overeem he gets KTFO, and when I bet against him he wins and makes me wonder why I bet against him (Hes's so fucking bad at mma, thats why). I don't think I have guessed an Overeem fight right since before he fought Brett Rodgers. I haven't bet on the last 3 Overeem fights. The first time he lost, I was heart broken. The second time he lost, I was just pissed off. So, I just told myself to stay away from him altogether.   On December 13 2014 19:51 Floofy wrote: Hows u guys's kountermove going? I have only 1 left which might do good: Claudia Gadelha 44.5 Alistair Overeem 0 John Moraga 91 Ben Saunders 102 Derek Brunson 0 I lost 4 Kountermove teams earlier today because Anthony Birchak lost, and Derek Brunson got sick, so I got 6 points for Birchak and zero points for Brunson since his fight never happened. However, Kountermove has "premiere" events, which basically means you can bet on the Main Card of any UFC event, instead of betting the entire card. I'm currently 8th out of 58 in my last remaining UFC Kountermove team. Top 12 get paid: Junior dos Santos = TBA Rafael dos Anjos = TBA Alistair Overeem = 110.5 Matt Mitrione = 109 Joanna Jędrzejczyk = 42 http://www.kountermove.com/results/35...-vs-miocic-premier-fights-T-2/402602/

Omg wtf i also bet on Brunson... thats gay

Yeah, those are Aldo level legkicks.

RDA beat that ass. Not even close, as I expected.

lol henderson and that weird stick

WSOF is about to start now that the basketball game is over.

Lets do this JDS... the only fighter i really care about

damn jds seems so slow
he always gets tagged by miocic's jabs

do it JDS!!! please

JDS is landing more than Stipe in each round, but Stipe looks like the better fighter in the first 2 rounds.

Yay... go =)

damn, go cigano!

what a fight
stipe is good

Certainly is, but it feels like he won't win the decision unless he pulls the trigger.

lool NOG in brazilian tv: we have to keep in mind that cigano is coming from a seirous injury in his knee
edit- thats during 5th round btw he didnt even wait the end of the fight before making an excuse

watch the refs fuck up the judging

1,2 miocic and 3-5 jds

The O2.5 Miocic vs Dos Santos had so much value, but I chose to take the U2.5 instead.

U2.5 @ 1.57 / O2.5 @ 2.5

srsly i dunno who won the 5th round
i thikn miocic but it may be that im a pessimist cuz im cheering for jds
dunno

jds threw zero kicks that fight?

JDS clearly took rounds 3-4-5, imo. Rounds 1 and 2 were close.

2 neanderthals.

Should be a tie.

49-46? wtfff jds won

49-46 thats a huuge wtf imo no way

lol the decision should be alot closer than that

On December 13 2014 21:31 PuertoRican wrote: JDS clearly took rounds 3-4-5, imo. Rounds 1 and 2 were close.

Thats exactly how i see it

JDS out-struck Stipe in every round, not to mention rounds 3-4-5 had a clear winner, unlike rounds 1-2, which were close.

the way i see it 1 and 2 were close but i'd easily give the edge to miocic
r3 was clearly jds, 4 was close but i give it to jds and dunno what to think about 5, have to rewatch it

great fight thou
i wonder how long cigano can keep going taking punishment like that its been his 3rd fight in a row like that

I kinda feel his face gets messed up relatively easy i mean stipe got hit with hard shots you just couldn't tell afterwards...

2 title fights left on the WSOF card.

Rousimar Palhares vs. Jon Fitch (Welterweight Championship)
Rick Glenn vs. Lance Palmer (Featherweight Championship)

i think jds face gets messed up cuz of the 10 rd beatdown from cain. Must have alot of scartissue that opens up real quick.

JDS showed that cain would just beat his ass again. He didn't really show any improvements that would suggest a 4th fight against Cain would go any different.

That's a shame b/c I'm a JDS fan, I'm not sure how many more 5 round wars he can safely take.

ye he was looking like sloth from the goonies by the end of his last fights

feed him Schaub to get his confidence back

I wonder whats next in the heavyweight division.. so shallow and yet so complicated... Does Josh Barnett still fight?

i think so, i like barnett
cormier should be there but damn i hate it that he will never fight cain
he could probably beat jds too

now even thou jds won, i still think he ate a lot of avoidable jabs during the earlier rounds
dont think he will ever be able to beat cain again unless obviously he KOs him early in the fight again

lol people on sherdog
"did he get dropped though? it looked JDS knocked him back and then Stipe shot for the TD" sure... takedown was his plan a in that situation. thread title "stipe got robbed" =)

http://www.ufc.tv/video/ufc-fight-nig...vs-miocic-post-fight-press-conference
about to start...

Paul Harris easily submitted Jon Fitch in the first round, via his special move.

I'd say they give him browne which would be a pretty sick fight.

JDS sunglasses = pure swag :D

lmao

DosAnjos and his corner are retarded, why would he take Nate down when he can barely walk? It was safer to stay on his feet he would have probably gotten a finish and a bonus too

OMG what a sad day for the UFC.
The HW devision is the worst in the history.
JDS's done.And he was the last man outside of Cain that you can make the argument that he is very good.Cain fights one time in 2 years.
An average at best Werdum is champ.Mark Hunt the 76th best heavyweight in Pride is top contender Gonzaga's chin is so bad that his brain shuts down 1 sec before the punch actually lands.The Reem is the most OVERRATED man in the history of MMA ,can not take any punch and he is the most arrogant too hahahah.I can not believe it lmao.
Also Diaz is done completely.A skinny brazilian biatch hits two times after the bell and than says the only thing all the basilians always says-'no har the vell sori'.And also having a brasilian coach is like the worst and most hilarios thing in the world.You can never hear an advice that you can actually use.The only thing you hear is - your winin the fight,he has no power(when you are busted as fuck),he has no ground(after he beat your ass for whole round on the map) and of course - he is more tired than you(and the brasilian fighters have the worst cardio ever).

And next is one of the biggest missmatches which is actually called a superfight.
DC has no chance of winning against Jon Jones anywhere.He is old,hits like Robbie Lawer(which is good thing if you are WL),has no jiu-jitsu,probably will be outwrestled and if he is smart he has to book a room in the neares hospital for 01.03 because he will most likely gets knock out brutally or go home with a broken hand or something.If there are any DC fans here just hope for a RNC
Outside of Chael ,JJ has never had an easier task.

On December 14 2014 08:46 gryzzlybearr wrote: And next is one of the biggest missmatches which is actually called a superfight. DC has no chance of winning against Jon Jones anywhere.He is old,hits like Robbie Lawer(which is good thing if you are WL),has no jiu-jitsu,probably will be outwrestled and if he is smart he has to book a room in the neares hospital for 01.03 because he will most likely gets knock out brutally or go home with a broken hand or something.If there are any DC fans here just hope for a RNC Outside of Chael ,JJ has never had an easier task.

so you'll be rich ??
post how much you bet on JJ or stop the bullshit talk plz

I get it you feel offended,but that was not the point.
All i wanted to say is that Brasil has great tallents but the coaches are the worst.
They make their prospects delusional and dirty fighters.They end their carreers fast by making them fight at 155 when they are walking around on 200.They do not care at all(if you die-fine,if they shorten your carreer with 5 years -fine again)
This is waht i mean.Just explaining you because you get it wrong.I can not imagine you will not agree with this.

Last time i expressed my opinion or ''bullshits'' how you called it was when i said that Anderson Silva will lose to Weidman the first time,and has no chance at all for the second time so i think that was pretty accurate.
This is exactly what i think will happen between JJ and DC.What do you think will happen?

I was thinking of betting and cormier and then got surprised by the odds, might just bet jones.

On December 14 2014 09:31 gryzzlybearr wrote: Last time i expressed my opinion or ''bullshits'' how you called it was when i said that Anderson Silva will lose to Weidman the first time,and has no chance at all for the second time so i think that was pretty accurate. This is exactly what i think will happen between JJ and DC.What do you think will happen?

I didnt get offended at all, the JJ vs DC fight is pretty close, and the odds are close too
if you are so sure of whats goin to happen just sell your house/car or take a loan and bet ?

yep, you wont do that because its all bullshit ofc and you have no clue about what u talking about and we both know

thats what I love the most in sports betting ,makes all the future tellers embarrass themselves

Do you have to bet money or a lot of money to have an opinion.Do you measure everything with money.If so this is pretty sad.
Is it easier to say what you think is going to happen as a fan,or just disagree with everybody else without expressing your own opinion?
First thing is cool because you can argue with others who are fans(but nicely not angry and offending others).
Second is just acting like an A_ _ _ _ _ e.Making points that are not so important.

I found this freeroll but i don't really understand wtf it is

http://www.kountermove.com/draft/3556...ders-chairs-and-stairs-T-free/404050/

i have the feeling he held a bit too long again, dunno

On December 14 2014 15:07 Raidern wrote: i have the feeling he held a bit too long again, dunno

It seemed a little too long, but it wasn't terrible or anything. Definitely not as bad as his UFC submissions.

This is from MMA Junkie:

WSOF boss: Rousimar Palhares' submission win over Jon Fitch 'was perfectly clean'

“Palhares’ win over Fitch was perfectly clean,” WSOF President Ray Sefo wrote in an email to MMAjunkie. “Palhares amazes me every time he fights. Everyone knows he is a master at what he does, and even though his opponents know exactly what he’s going to do, they can’t stop him.

“He’s a scary guy for anyone in the world to fight.”

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Palhares will fight the winner of Jake Shields vs. Brian Foster.

gryzzlybearr #1 p4p mma poster...

If Palhares could heel hook Shields, I'd consider him the 'move-for-move' best fighter in the history of MMA. If that makes any sense.

On December 14 2014 18:01 ERASA wrote: gryzzlybearr #1 p4p mma poster...

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the dude who had a man crush for Pudzianowski was better poster

He didnt release immediatly, but he didnt hold it enough to be super dirty, again in a grey area, and he still does this when the whole world will be watching it closely, he is a moron as usual.

Also Fitch was an idiot for taking so long to tap, it was clear the hold was tight and it was a matter of seconds, if you care about your knee you have to tap prematurely against Palhares.

JDS and Miocic have quite the chins. Being able to take that much punishment really takes out boxing in a lot of their opponents gameplans. You'd have to be next level delusional if you think you can box either. Overeem is entertaining to watch, win or lose.
The Diaz brothers are complete idiots and i very much take enjoyment in their beatings.

Palhares has mental problems.He shouldn't be allowed to fight.
I remember listening to his ex coach who said that he used to break legs in training all the time.

The thing about leg locks is that theres no other way really. Its like to develop the best leg locks you have to break legs. They're a weird situation in MMA. I see situations all the time in MMA where fighters shoudl just be breaking legs , but they don't even try as they don't the techniques. It doesn't really work with the whole fighting for entertainment concept.