Stars raises rake of HU,hypers,spin&go - Page 3

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On October 31 2014 10:02 Defrag wrote: Show nested quote + On October 31 2014 04:25 napoleono wrote: ^LOL How much money do you think a new pokersite would need? Afaik around €30,000-40,000 if you want to start a room on existing network like ipoker etc. Going with your own network, like PokerStars, I expect those numbers to be in tens of millions.

Nah I don't think its much more expensive in an own network , all you ll have to essentially do is get your own software + im pretty sure you'd still have to pay a network you want to join for software anyway. There are plenty of new sites on solo networks which open up and either close in a few months or join ipoker/enet/ongame/prima

What to do against a raise? reraise.

Arent people happy they will become Supernova elite 2x as fast now ?

lol relax everything is the same

On November 02 2014 00:01 VanDerMeyde wrote: Arent people happy they will become Supernova elite 2x as fast now ?

hilarious

I am annoyed by introducing Spin&Go but:

http://pokerfuse.com/features/special...n-every-major-pokerstars-change-year/

http://pokerfuse.com/news/media-and-s...3-spin-go-debate-pokerstars-responds/

“When a new product comes along that captures the imagination of a wide range of players, it is not something that we can just pass on because we don’t want to upset the regular players,” he continues. (...) PokerStars is following the pack with Spin & Go. It is already offered on iPoker (as Twister) and Full Tilt (as Jackpots). Its major competitor in the French market, Winamax, is credited with the invention of Lottery Sit and Gos with its debut of Expresso earlier this year, where the format was immediately popular with its player base. (...) “Spin & Gos are bringing literally tens of thousands of new and previously inactive players to the site,” writes Dahl. (...) It was Winamax ( this company leads .FR market before PS.fr ) that crystallized the concept into the common format proliferating today—the 3-handed, high speed, instant-seat tournament structure where the rake is built into the prize pool.

Also after paying 700M with FTP aquisition ( 2 years of their income?) they may be in not so good shape as we think.
Not that i will ever defend rake increase ;o

The security token for Supernova (1.5k fpp) is out of stock, but the more expensive ones for lower statuses are available. Really?...

This will never end

On November 02 2014 17:22 tomson wrote: The security token for Supernova (1.5k fpp) is out of stock, but the more expensive ones for lower statuses are available. Really?...

lol

Someone just please buy Full Tilt from Stars and turn it into a real site...

On November 01 2014 16:58 Spitfiree wrote: Show nested quote + On October 31 2014 10:02 Defrag wrote:   On October 31 2014 04:25 napoleono wrote: ^LOL How much money do you think a new pokersite would need? Afaik around €30,000-40,000 if you want to start a room on existing network like ipoker etc. Going with your own network, like PokerStars, I expect those numbers to be in tens of millions. Nah I don't think its much more expensive in an own network , all you ll have to essentially do is get your own software + im pretty sure you'd still have to pay a network you want to join for software anyway. There are plenty of new sites on solo networks which open up and either close in a few months or join ipoker/enet/ongame/prima

i think the higher stake players should look into doing something like this. you'd already have the name, there's a community behind the site which I don't think other sites have, and I would also expect more transparency and no-bullshit, kinda like HeroDave? with his skin. though, this site would need a major upgrade.

On November 03 2014 14:21 Trav94 wrote: Someone just please buy Full Tilt from Stars and turn it into a real site...

Still a bumhunter lobby with 296 idiots opening 1 HU table each only willing to play big fish that is killing ALL action on that site. Nothing will happen until they shut down this.

On November 03 2014 14:52 VanDerMeyde wrote: Show nested quote + On November 03 2014 14:21 Trav94 wrote: Someone just please buy Full Tilt from Stars and turn it into a real site... Still a bumhunter lobby with 296 idiots opening 1 HU table each only willing to play big fish that is killing ALL action on that site. Nothing will happen until they shut down this.

Hence the "turn it into a real site"

On November 03 2014 14:52 VanDerMeyde wrote: Show nested quote + On November 03 2014 14:21 Trav94 wrote: Someone just please buy Full Tilt from Stars and turn it into a real site... Still a bumhunter lobby with 296 idiots opening 1 HU table each only willing to play big fish that is killing ALL action on that site. Nothing will happen until they shut down this.

oh my, no player that you have an edge on wants to play with you? <hugs>

On November 04 2014 01:51 MadeInPolanD wrote: Show nested quote + On November 03 2014 14:52 VanDerMeyde wrote:   On November 03 2014 14:21 Trav94 wrote: Someone just please buy Full Tilt from Stars and turn it into a real site... Still a bumhunter lobby with 296 idiots opening 1 HU table each only willing to play big fish that is killing ALL action on that site. Nothing will happen until they shut down this. oh my, no player that you have an edge on wants to play with you? <hugs>

Thats completly fine. Any player that doesnt want to play me doesnt have to.

Drying up the games for not really a good reason is not fine. (almost no games ever running anyway, what the chance to get that fish?)

On November 04 2014 03:44 VanDerMeyde wrote: Show nested quote + On November 04 2014 01:51 MadeInPolanD wrote:   On November 03 2014 14:52 VanDerMeyde wrote:   On November 03 2014 14:21 Trav94 wrote: Someone just please buy Full Tilt from Stars and turn it into a real site... Still a bumhunter lobby with 296 idiots opening 1 HU table each only willing to play big fish that is killing ALL action on that site. Nothing will happen until they shut down this. oh my, no player that you have an edge on wants to play with you? <hugs> Thats completly fine. Any player that doesnt want to play me doesnt have to. Drying up the games for not really a good reason is not fine. (almost no games ever running anyway, what the chance to get that fish?)

Are you a PokerStars Rep? Cause you know they are always looking for ways to make regs win like 0.1 to 1 bb/100 making more and more rake and making regs play more and more for smaller amounts of $. If you're not a PS Rep you should really apply there, your philosophy is right in their corner.

On the other hand maybe you are God. Tellin other ppl what are the good and the bad reasons to do something.

now looks like they are boycotting HU and games over nl200$ LOL
in the quick seat lobby, can`t see HU or games above nl200, check this shit:



with Daniel Cunt picture in front
"managing the poker economy" = pocketing all the money lol

On November 04 2014 04:01 MadeInPolanD wrote: Show nested quote + On November 04 2014 03:44 VanDerMeyde wrote:   On November 04 2014 01:51 MadeInPolanD wrote:   On November 03 2014 14:52 VanDerMeyde wrote:   On November 03 2014 14:21 Trav94 wrote: Someone just please buy Full Tilt from Stars and turn it into a real site... Still a bumhunter lobby with 296 idiots opening 1 HU table each only willing to play big fish that is killing ALL action on that site. Nothing will happen until they shut down this. oh my, no player that you have an edge on wants to play with you? <hugs> Thats completly fine. Any player that doesnt want to play me doesnt have to. Drying up the games for not really a good reason is not fine. (almost no games ever running anyway, what the chance to get that fish?) Are you a PokerStars Rep? Cause you know they are always looking for ways to make regs win like 0.1 to 1 bb/100 making more and more rake and making regs play more and more for smaller amounts of $. If you're not a PS Rep you should really apply there, your philosophy is right in their corner. On the other hand maybe you are God. Tellin other ppl what are the good and the bad reasons to do something.

Im not a very good poker player, but if you use the common sense approach you realize that opening up a poker site and seeing 296 players waiting for a recreational fish to sit down is not good for poker. Even thou a player is really bad at poker he might acctually be a smart guy in real life and see that something is up here.... Its more likely that what will happen is the games dry completly up and you make 0bb/100 instead of 0.1bb/100 (like they already did on Betfair, Ongame, Full tilt poker where they refused to do anything about this HU bumhunter problem)

I remember on Everest poker a few guys were waiting HU for fish.... And then the mass recruiting for HU bumhunting begin on 2+2, coaching sites like deucescracked etc... Even the worst french fullring regs were now HU bumhunters and the lobby started to look like a complete joke.... the fish disappeared more and more. I complained every day to support and warned them that the pokersite would dry up like Betfair and that they didnt want that. Eventually they acctually listened to me (they said) and put Headsup games into a separate lobby (that nobody cared about) and the games got A TON BETTER RIGHT AWAY (strange?).

Oh now it's clear, you want more fish for 6max. Nothing to do with 'what's good for poker'.