UFC 178: Johnson vs Cariaso

Date: Saturday, September 27th
Preliminary Card (UFC Fight Pass): 18:00 LP.net / 4pm PST / 7pm EST
Preliminary Card (Fox Sports 1): 19:00 LP.net / 5pm PST / 8pm EST
Main Card (PPV): 21:00 LP.net / 7pm PST / 10pm EST
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Main Card (PPV)

Demetrious Johnson (20-2-1) vs. Chris Cariaso (17-5) (Flyweight Championship)
Donald Cerrone (24-6) vs. Eddie Alvarez (25-3) (Lightweight)
Dustin Poirier (16-3) vs. Conor McGregor (15-2) (Featherweight)
Tim Kennedy (18-4) vs. Yoel Romero (8-1) (Middleweight)
Cat Zingano (8-0) vs. Amanda Nunes (9-3) (Women's Bantamweight)

Preliminary Card (Fox Sports 1)

Dominick Cruz (19-1) vs. Takeya Mizugaki (20-7-2) (Bantamweight)
Jorge Masvidal (27-8) vs. James Krause (21-5) (Lightweight)
Patrick Cote (20-8) vs. Stephen Thompson (9-1) (Welterweight)
John Howard (22-9) vs. Brian Ebersole (50-16-1) (Welterweight)

Preliminary Card (UFC Fight Pass)

Jon Tuck (8-1) vs. Kevin Lee (8-1) (Lightweight)
Manvel Gamburyan (13-8) vs. Cody Gibson (12-4) (Bantamweight)

Other

- The event was supposed to be headlined by a UFC Light Heavyweight Championship rematch between champion Jon Jones and Alexander Gustafsson. Jones won their first fight at UFC 165 by unanimous decision. Gustafsson pulled out of the bout due to a torn right meniscus and lateral collateral ligament. He was replaced by Daniel Cormier on July 23. However, on August 12, Jones was forced to pull out of the bout against Cormier citing a leg injury. The fight will now take place at UFC 182. As a result, a Flyweight Title fight between Demetrious Johnson and Chris Cariaso was moved from UFC 177 to headline this card.
- The event marks the return of former bantamweight champion Dominick Cruz, after nearly three years on the sideline, first with a coaching assignment on The Ultimate Fighter 15, then with various lengthy injury rehabilitations. He is scheduled to fight Takeya Mizugaki.
- A lightweight bout between Donald Cerrone and Khabib Nurmagomedov was briefly linked to this event. The pairing was cancelled after Nurmagomedov suffered a knee injury that will sideline him indefinitely.
- Jorge Masvidal and Bobby Green were originally scheduled to face each other on this card. However, on August 14, the UFC announced that Green would now face Donald Cerrone and Masvidal would face James Krause.
- On August 19, following his release from Bellator MMA, Eddie Alvarez signed with the UFC and will debut against Donald Cerrone in the co-main event for the card. Bobby Green, Cerrone's earlier opponent, will be booked for a future fight card against a new opponent.

First thoughts:

• Johnson > Cariaso
• Cerrone > Alvarez (I like Alvarez but, Cerrone is a bad match-up for him, especially as his UFC debut. I have a bet on Cerrone at +110 that I made a month ago.)
• McGregor > Poirier (Already have a bet on Poirier I made over a month ago at +150. I slightly favor McGregor but, this is his biggest test thus far, imo.)
• Kennedy vs. Romero (Not sure how to cap this, but I slightly favor Kennedy. I won't bet it though.)
• Zingano > Nunes (This is a match I'm staying far from. Zingano has been away from fighting for 17 months, rehabing her knees. Her Wikipedia say, "Zingano underwent PRP and stem cell treatment on both of her knees." Also, her husband and BJJ coach/head coach, Mauricio Zingano, killed himself on January 13, 2014, so who knows how Cat is dealing with that. She's damaged goods atm, she needs to win this match before I'll bet on her again. Nunes is also no joke on the feet and will have the height advantage.)
• Cruz > Mizugaki (This is Cruz' return to MMA, he hasn't fought since October 2011, which is 1 month shy of being away from MMA for 3 years.)
• Masvidal > Krause (I like both guys but, Krause' biggest strength is his reach, kicks, and BJJ. Masvidal is miles ahead of Krause in boxing and head/foot movement, and possibly just kickboxing altogether. The only way Krause wins is by submission.)
• Thompson > Cote (Cote will have to grind Thompson against the cage and get take downs, or else he'll lose the striking battle. Cote's biggest strength is his aggression and grinding against the cage, as well as his chin. Thompson's TDD has improved, so he might be able to stop every take down here.)
• Howard > Ebersole (Bad match-up for Ebersole. Ebersole' striking sucks and he won't be able to take down Howard unless he can get a trip. Howard is shorter, stronger, hits harder, and has the better chin. Pure aggression and maybe even a TKO will be the way Howard wins.)
• Lee > Tuck
• Gibson > Gamburyan (Gamburyan' first drop to 135 pounds, and he'll still be the shorter guy by 5 inches. I'd take Gamburyan by KO/TKO prop, and Gibson' ML.)

Oh nice Cruz, hopefully he ll dominate and get a title shot soon to make the title fight interesting


Edit: how is Barao above Dillashaw in the pound for pound @ UFC lol

Demetrious inside distance at +120 is a very good bet IMO.

Conor came out as something like a -140 favorite. Shoulda jumped all over that. Now he's -260 and I think that's a fine line. In fact I don't think I'd take Poirier at anything less than a full 3 to 1. Maybe this is where the hype crashes, but I think his striking/athleticism at least is for real and Poirier has looked right there for the taking even in this 'looks impressive from the outside' win streak he's on. Would like to see more opinions on this one

Johnson > Cariaso

Cerrone vs Alvarez - Too close to call IMO

McGregor >>>>> Poirier - I don't even think this fight is close ,yah, I know - hype hype hype - we'll see, I have no clue how Poirer would win this fight at all and I've been doing some studying for this one, McGregor is SO much better standing and I have no reason to believe he'll get taken down, he's far more athletic, mobile, and strong - and his boxing/karate style keeps his base low at all times.

Kennedy > Romero - Rooting for Romero, love him and it is close because he's much more explosive offensively but I'd def bet Kennedy at + odds - he's more well rounded and technical on the feet and is obviously a really good wrestler as well

Zingano vs Nunez - No clue

Cruz > Mizugaki - I just have a strong feeling Cruz will be near his old self, he's such a professional

Masvidal > Krause

Thompson >>>>>>> Cote - The chin is going to finally break in this fight

Howard > Ebersole

Lee > Tuck - Could be wrong here but I was very impressed with Lee vs Iaquinta and have never been impressed with Tuck

Gibson >>>>> Manny unless Manny LnP's - Gibson is quick and pretty damn technical, I don't think he gets hit with anything big and clean early on

On September 21 2014 19:28 iakim322 wrote: Conor came out as something like a -140 favorite. Shoulda jumped all over that. Now he's -260 and I think that's a fine line. In fact I don't think I'd take Poirier at anything less than a full 3 to 1. Maybe this is where the hype crashes, but I think his striking/athleticism at least is for real and Poirier has looked right there for the taking even in this 'looks impressive from the outside' win streak he's on. Would like to see more opinions on this one

I agree with this (as you can see above). I actually think if either is over-rated, it's Poirier, and I love the guy. He's very exciting and goes for it but I don't think he can hang with the Elite guys and he has shit head movement, not great wrestling (he's very exciting in scrambles), and straight-forward striking.

i thought it was rumble johnson fighting

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Great card, basically every fight is interesting. Haven't watched a card lately where I was interested in as many fights as in this one.
I am not that active with MMA lately, my thoughts:


• Johnson > Cariaso = Not gonna bet against Johnson until I get proven otherwise
• Cerrone > Alvarez = Alvarez makes his debut and Cerrone is a brawler, Alvarez gets caught a lot, this is exciting
• McGregor > Poirier = Not on the hype train but Gregor should take this
• Kennedy < Romero = Romero is getting old and his striking is awkward at times, I am just not a big Kennedy fan and route for Romero
• Zingano > Nunes -> Don't care
• Cruz > Mizugaki = Lets hope Cruz can come back and he has recovered from the 3 year layoff. He seemed hungry all the way through, lets hope he can perform
• Masvidal > Krause = Krause is very interesting but Masvidal should have the upper hand
• Thompson > Cote = Not a Cote fan
• Howard > Ebersole = Ebersole seems to have a low point in his career and he is not getting any younger, but I am not sure what the situation with Howard is.
• Lee > Tuck = don't know, don't care
• Gibson > Gamburyan = No clue, Gamburyan could be back on track, not much info on Gibson

MM + Connor + Cruz

cerrone vs alvarez is an incredible fight. like fisheye said, alvarez does get caught quite a bit. but on the flip side he is just the superior fighter. better wrestler, better athlete, better boxer. really tough to balance it and figure out who should be favored, especially in a 3 round fight. a shame its not 5 rounds.


i think mcgregor is going to pick poirier apart. this is kinda similar to cerrone vs alvarez in the sense that poirier gets caught every fight. except here mcgregor is clearly the better striker and i think he has enough defensive wrestling/grappling to stop poirier from succeeding at a different strategy.


kennedy vs romero is an awesome fight. could end up pretty boring, but great matchmaking, good test for both guys. no real opinion on it, seems like a pick em to me.


regarding cruz:

BJJ Scout @bjjscout · 7h … That's just weird, vid shows Cruz striking southpaw now, apprehensive to pivoting on the left (operated) leg?

mizugaki is a good fighter, but not in the same league as cruz pre injuries. but if cruz is at all apprehensive or slow, mizugaki is good enough to take advantage of him. really hope cruz can make a comeback because his addition along with dillashaw/barao would make 135 really exciting

Agree with general thoughts on Cerrone vs Alvarez & McGregor vs Dustin.

I think Tim Kennedy > Yoel Romero.

Daut told me about Yoel a long time ago and I was pretty hyped on him, but since then his wrestling has been far from impressive despite having the best credentials in MMA history basically.

In joining the UFC/strikeforce his wrestling stats as followed

7/12 against Tavares, who was 0/3

0/4 against Brunson, who was 3/5 against him.

0/1 against Markes, who was 2/6 against him.

0/6 against Feijao.

Only person he's really been able to really out wrestle in his Career since joining strikeforce is Brad Tavares. I think Kennedy is a better wrestler than anyone on that list, maybe aside from Feijao. Definitely the best overall grappler on that list.

Also think Kennedy is the superior striker. Yoel has crazy power and explosiveness, but also shit defense and tends to get hit a lot.

Kind of surprised Yoel is the favorite. I guess there is the arguement that Yoel wasn't really trying to use his wrestling much in his MMA career and just looking for the knockout, and is finally deciding to use it which is why he dominated Tavares with it. Dunno if I by that though, he was thoroughly handled by Brunson for two rounds.

Man if this had Jones v Cormier still it would really be the best card of all time top to bottom, I truly believe that. Instead it's just a really awesome deep card with a shitty ass head liner. Not trying be negative on DJ, but Cariaso... come on.

On September 21 2014 19:28 iakim322 wrote: Conor came out as something like a -140 favorite. Shoulda jumped all over that. Now he's -260 and I think that's a fine line. In fact I don't think I'd take Poirier at anything less than a full 3 to 1. Maybe this is where the hype crashes, but I think his striking/athleticism at least is for real and Poirier has looked right there for the taking even in this 'looks impressive from the outside' win streak he's on. Would like to see more opinions on this one

Pretty sure he opened at +190

Yea Conor opened at +190.

I dunno I usually don't fall for hype trains like this, but I think Conor is probably gonna merk Dustin. He's very athletic, moves great, sets up his strikes very well, big for the division, and seems to have a pretty high fight IQ.

I can't ever remember odds moving so much on an MMA fighter. From +190 to -270ish. And it moved that much in about 1 week.

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On September 22 2014 23:10 soberstone wrote: Man if this had Jones v Cormier still it would really be the best card of all time top to bottom, I truly believe that. Instead it's just a really awesome deep card with a shitty ass head liner. Not trying be negative on DJ, but Cariaso... come on.

it would have been a pretty solid card but lets not get carried awwy with best of all time lol

On September 23 2014 03:41 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On September 22 2014 23:10 soberstone wrote: Man if this had Jones v Cormier still it would really be the best card of all time top to bottom, I truly believe that. Instead it's just a really awesome deep card with a shitty ass head liner. Not trying be negative on DJ, but Cariaso... come on. it would have been a pretty solid card but lets not get carried awwy with best of all time lol

Even without jones cormier this is the best card I can remember. Im excited for every fight if you count out the two first prelims

so many people are picking dustin, damn im not so sure anymore

well, Cariaso might have something like 2% chance of winning T_T

I wanna bet on mcgregor anybody want a stars bet? under 100usd i dunno what the odds are tho

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think i want to bet on demetrious. feel like cariaso's only chance is for DJ to have an injury or get dq'ed. what do you guys think odds are of those happening? 2-3%? feels like it should be -3000, not -1300.

also considering a bet on alvarez. hes just the better fighter with more pathways to victory. plus hes the smarter fighter. he was pretty cautious against chandler and never got caught in the 2nd fight. starting to think it should be -150 alvarez, thoughts?

On September 25 2014 17:37 Daut wrote: think i want to bet on demetrious. feel like cariaso's only chance is for DJ to have an injury or get dq'ed. what do you guys think odds are of those happening? 2-3%? feels like it should be -3000, not -1300. also considering a bet on alvarez. hes just the better fighter with more pathways to victory. plus hes the smarter fighter. he was pretty cautious against chandler and never got caught in the 2nd fight. starting to think it should be -150 alvarez, thoughts?

DJ is as safe as any mma bet can be.

But I'm staying far away from the Avarez Cerrone fight. Eddie get's hurt in almost every fight, and Cerrone finishes everyone he hurts. Yet at the same time, Cerrone doesn't win in fights that are this close to a title. Somethings gotta give. Obviously the dynamics of this fight are much more complicated, but I really do feel like its a straight pickem. If a gun was to my head, I'd bet Cerrone, which means Alvarez will probably win.

McGregor will win very easily, as I've stated earlier, this fight isn't close IMO.

The Romero fight hinges completely upon Romero's striking improvement, fight IQ, and gas tank. We know what we are getting with Kennedy, a good but not great fighter everywhere standing with good IQ, solid wrestling, and an amazing top game. It's Romero's fight to lose but he may very well lose it, but I hope he wins.

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On September 25 2014 18:09 soberstone wrote: Show nested quote + On September 25 2014 17:37 Daut wrote: think i want to bet on demetrious. feel like cariaso's only chance is for DJ to have an injury or get dq'ed. what do you guys think odds are of those happening? 2-3%? feels like it should be -3000, not -1300. also considering a bet on alvarez. hes just the better fighter with more pathways to victory. plus hes the smarter fighter. he was pretty cautious against chandler and never got caught in the 2nd fight. starting to think it should be -150 alvarez, thoughts? DJ is as safe as any mma bet can be. But I'm staying far away from the Avarez Cerrone fight. Eddie get's hurt in almost every fight, and Cerrone finishes everyone he hurts. Yet at the same time, Cerrone doesn't win in fights that are this close to a title. Somethings gotta give. Obviously the dynamics of this fight are much more complicated, but I really do feel like its a straight pickem. If a gun was to my head, I'd bet Cerrone, which means Alvarez will probably win. McGregor will win very easily, as I've stated earlier, this fight isn't close IMO. The Romero fight hinges completely upon Romero's striking improvement, fight IQ, and gas tank. We know what we are getting with Kennedy, a good but not great fighter everywhere standing with good IQ, solid wrestling, and an amazing top game. It's Romero's fight to lose but he may very well lose it, but I hope he wins.

i have the same feelings about conor, but between the news about his possible broken hand and that hes never fought anyone good, i cant bet him at -280, its too much.

romero/kennedy i dont want to bet either. romero is the better talent/athlete, but kennedy is so solid and better than anyone romero has fought. its close to a pick em as well.

id consider betting on masvidal or tuck. probably wont pull the trigger on either though. and if i dont bet anything, im not betting demetrious. would basically just toss him in as a 2 fight parlay into any other fight i bet on.

meh, miss the days of 100% to win fights with -450 lines like cain vs bigfoot.

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Sorry, just doesn't feel like McGregor has a clear huge edge you're trying to imply, he has an edge for sure, its just not huge. Plus Poirier is the smarter fighter from the two imo.

Anyone notice Cariaso hasn't made a single appearance in 4 UFC embedded blogs? lol fucking main event and not a single appearance.

On September 26 2014 07:02 Stim_Abuser wrote: Anyone notice Cariaso hasn't made a single appearance in 4 UFC embedded blogs? lol fucking main event and not a single appearance.

Dude, wasn't he in the last episode for like 3 seconds on the scales with Burt?

Seems about the right amount of exposure considering the fan interest in that fight.

On September 26 2014 02:00 Spitfiree wrote: Sorry, just doesn't feel like McGregor has a clear huge edge you're trying to imply, he has an edge for sure, its just not huge. Plus Poirier is the smarter fighter from the two imo.

Why do you think Poirier is the smarter fighter? McGregor has been essentially perfect in his Octogon appearances - not that it means anything, its again inferior competition, but still - Poirier has been hit very hard a lot by far inferior competition, he got ROCKED by Corissani is his last appearence. I just don't know where you come up with that. Experience is the only thing I'd be touting for Poirier. The clear edge is in striking, power, speed, head movement, foot-work and overall athleticism, which is all that will matter in this fight.

I think I saw McGregor playing EPT Vienna this summer. But I am not 100% sure, he had a lot more beard I think.
Seems like a cool but crazy dude. Agree that the card is hard to bet, but it is a testament to a good card, that basically only DJ is a "sure bet".
Those 100% fights are kind of a slaughter anyways, I rather see a fair fight

On September 26 2014 13:28 soberstone wrote: Show nested quote + On September 26 2014 02:00 Spitfiree wrote: Sorry, just doesn't feel like McGregor has a clear huge edge you're trying to imply, he has an edge for sure, its just not huge. Plus Poirier is the smarter fighter from the two imo. Why do you think Poirier is the smarter fighter? McGregor has been essentially perfect in his Octogon appearances - not that it means anything, its again inferior competition, but still - Poirier has been hit very hard a lot by far inferior competition, he got ROCKED by Corissani is his last appearence. I just don't know where you come up with that. Experience is the only thing I'd be touting for Poirier. The clear edge is in striking, power, speed, head movement, foot-work and overall athleticism, which is all that will matter in this fight.

I give the power and BJJ edge to Poirier.

I like the breakdown that Dan Hardy and the other guy did for the fight, which is posted on the previous page.

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Power edge to Poirier? It seems like his damage is done with a volume of punches and just swarming. I just rewatched his finish of Brandao. There wasn't a singular strike that really did it. Just the constant accumulation of them. Think I saw 6-7 flush or near flush shots with Brandao hurt but still coherently trying to cover up.

BJJ clearly. Besides that, I think Poirier's only advantage is experience but that won't play all that much of a factor on the feet since Conor seems to be comfortable with his athleticism there. Maneuvering on the ground...in scrambles and such if it gets there...I'd say that's Poirier's real viable and possibly only shot.

I would definitely like to see Conor in there with someone with significant one shot capabilities soon though. To see how such a 'confident' but mostly yet unproven fighter reacts vs the threat of that. Unfortunately or fortunately, he's being fast tracked so hard that if he wins, that someone might be Aldo and his leg kicks very soon

It still does kinda suck...from a general looking from the outside in standpoint...if you're betting...to put up 3 to 1 on a largely unproven fighter vs a proven one. With added possible injury rumors

Re: Cerrone V Alvarez. I didn't quite realize the height/length advantage that Cerrone will have was as much as it is until I saw the press conference staredowns or whatever. The distance he'll have to get a good kick in makes me lean towards Cerrone a bit whereas before I wasn't even trying to guess an outcome of this fight...just enjoy.

Who's followed Eddie a lot? I've really only seen the Chandler fights and one with Freire which aren't great examples of matchup comparison since both are relatively short and compact like Eddie. Clearly he's pretty explosive and so maybe he can shoot in through that distance barrier he'll have very quick but in just glancing at his wiki, I don't see any past opponent he's fought who's a tall rangy fighter like Cerrone.

On September 26 2014 15:27 iakim322 wrote: Who's followed Eddie a lot? I've really only seen the Chandler fights and one with Freire which aren't great examples of matchup comparison since both are relatively short and compact like Eddie. Clearly he's pretty explosive and so maybe he can shoot in through that distance barrier he'll have very quick but in just glancing at his wiki, I don't see any past opponent he's fought who's a tall rangy fighter like Cerrone.

I have seen most of Eddie's fights since 2008, and all but 1 of his Bellator fights since he started fighting there in 2009. Eddie hasn't faced a similar fighter before, so it's hard to know how well he'll do here, especially since he hasn't fought in almost 11 months and this will only be his second fight in the past 2 years. There's also the fact that he's fighting in the UFC for the first time, and champions from smaller organizations usually have problems transitioning in their first fight.

People say that Donald always folds under pressure against the best guys in the division, however, the opponents he lost to were already proven fighters in the organization he was in. People are basically assuming Eddie is top 3 in the division and tend to overlook his faults as a fighter. Eddie is bringing in a lot of hype.

This is what I wrote on Sherdog when the fight was announced on July 30th, 2014:

"Terrible fight for Alvarez if you put away the aura most of us carry for him, and focus on the speed, boxing stance, and same movement/direction that Alvarez uses in every fight. Alvarez isn't super fast or anything (above average, not super fast imo), he holds both of his fists near his nipples, he always dips low when he fights, especially when he does his patented jump in right punch and fades to the left. Alvarez also fights from the outside and leaps in to throw shots. The only time he stands in the pocket is when he has you against the fence.

If Alvarez doesn't employ a heavy wrestling strategy in this fight, he'll eat a head kick at some point. Since Cerrone has the height and reach advantage and their fighting styles, this could be ugly. Aside from his last fight, Alvarez is known for always getting dropped in most of his fights, which won't be good against Cerrone, since Cerrone will leap on his back for a quick submission."

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I should have seen, "in his last 3 fights." I guess I didn't count the Aoki and Patricky fights, since they were "gimmes," which ended in the first round. Patricky isn't on Eddie's level, and people already knew Aoki had nothing for Eddie this time around, since Eddie wouldn't let it go to the ground. Eddie has been hurt and dropped in a ton of his fights against lesser strikers than Donald.

I agree with your assessment on the Eddie fight Puerto Rican, and yes, the BJJ edge goes to Poirier, but definitely not the power edge - his hardest punches are thrown with a tremendous amount of effort and seem to do the same or less then Mcgregor's 70 % style shots... and the BJJ just won't play into this, I don't see how it winds up on the mat unless Poirer over-commits on a shot and Conor takes him down, and in that instance, advantage McGregor via gnp > bjj off the back for Poirier

damn Cariaso fighting in main event and cant afford a suit that fits.

ewwwweeeeee that stare down with McGoat.

Buffer getting caught creepin, love that guy

I bet huge on mcgregor just for "fun", not a smart idea lol
his confidence bought me into the hype I guess

hope I dont go busto tonight

Gibson looking great. Don't see how Manny wins this fight.

Edit: And that's why I don't bet on MMA anymore lol.

Manny was my biggest underdog for my kountermove freeroll though, so yay!

I will be back for the Fox Sports prelims in 40 minutes. I'm currently at the library.

guess i missed first prelims, caught the rugby though ... Rugby s a fun sport to watch

almost bet on cody gibson and considered betting on tuck when it got to +230. dont know whether i run good for passing or im an idiot for getting both wrong.

On September 27 2014 18:56 Daut wrote: almost bet on cody gibson and considered betting on tuck when it got to +230. dont know whether i run good for passing or im an idiot for getting both wrong.

oooooor you can bet against your feelings and be a rich genius

hey who wants to bet against me - i take mcgregoat pokerstars 100usd vs i dunno what the odds are. any takers? ok my 103usd vs your 70usd. pokerstars xfers only.

I was reading how Cody was dominating the fight prior to the stoppage. Oh well.

I'm at a sports bar for this UFC event. New experience for me. 50+ inch flat screens I HD.

On September 27 2014 18:56 Daut wrote: almost bet on cody gibson and considered betting on tuck when it got to +230. dont know whether i run good for passing or im an idiot for getting both wrong.

MMA betting is just hard

Finally got fightpass so I can watch old fights and maybe suck less at predictions.

Why the fudge is Howard's grappling better than his striking tonight... This is terrible for my KM plays.

Dont think Howard deserved the loss tbh he should've lost round 1 and won round 2 and 3

Lul almost felt like Thompson didn't want to finish the fight, and then he missed that roundhouse kick and was not sure what to think anymore

I don't really like Karate guys but Wonderboys striking is great to watch. Beautiful.

Wish he went for the kill at the end, but can't really blame him being so far ahead.

Easy fight for Wonderboy. Cote is too slow and one dimensional.

wow this kountermove site sucks.

My opponent got like 3x as many points for picking Ebersole than I did for Thomson.

Meanwhile Ebersole only won via bad decision, and Thomson dominated Cote.

;

On September 27 2014 20:06 Stim_Abuser wrote: wow this kountermove site sucks. My opponent got like 3x as many points for picking Ebersole than I did for Thomson. Meanwhile Ebersole only won via bad decision, and Thomson dominated Cote. ;

I'm started to get faded off of Blue Moon but, there's a rules page that describes the point system on Kountermove. Going for submissions and getting take downs earns you points.

On September 27 2014 20:09 PuertoRican wrote: Show nested quote + On September 27 2014 20:06 Stim_Abuser wrote: wow this kountermove site sucks. My opponent got like 3x as many points for picking Ebersole than I did for Thomson. Meanwhile Ebersole only won via bad decision, and Thomson dominated Cote. ; I'm started to get faded off of Blue Moon but, there's a rules page that describes the point system on Kountermove. Going for submissions and getting take downs earns you points.

Oh I guess they adjust the scores real time as they count shit and add it up, cuz thomson went from 20 points to 55.

wow late stoppage.

Who would of thought Cruz would come out and absolutely murder Mizugaki in the first? I had him by domination but didn't think he'd finish like that.

FUCK YEA CRUZ

Cruz is back!

Did he just say "Alpha Fail"? I like it :D

<3 girl fights

Cat is a beast!

wow cat is legit

" fuck yea "

love cat.

great fight.

What a fun fight!

Great event so far

that was incredible. cat tears her ACL, then her husband/coach commits suicide, then shes just getting blasted in the first round and comes back to win convincingly. then just gives no fucks about rogans interview, what a fucking hero

dam romero looks like an action figure lolol

wow wtf, that was some blatant cheating by romero's corner. that should of been a DQ.

rofl... :D

LOL

Damn sick come back by Romero. Respect.

Romero vs. Kennedy = sick fight!

epic fights, wow

GFKonMMA @GFKonMMA · 51s
son yoel romero need to do audiobooks on american history and shit.

Eh, I'm not sure if I'm just bitter because I picked Tim to win, but I think if a guy refuses to get off his stool and answer the bell for like 20-30 seconds it should be declared a TKO win for the other guy.

That was shameful reffing from big john.

sick fights so farr.. @stim "FUCK YEA" for Zingano and Romero!!! YESSS

edit: yes bet on romero+mcgregor, good day so far

McGreGoat

HOLY SHIT
the hype is for real

Wow conor looked so smooth

Ok so it's pretty clear the strike that hurt Dustin was to the back of the head, and 4 of the 5 punches were to the back of the head.

Very gray area though.

I give Conor the win, however, I'm not impressed by his performance. If he would've hit Poirier in the face for the KO, I'd be impressed. The initial punch dazed Poirier and it tarnished Conor's win.

Let's go Donald! White Pride!

I think Cerrone could lean up against the fence and let Alvarez punch him in the face, and Alvarez would shatter both hands and be forced to quit before Cerrone got tko'd.

dudes chin is fucking ridiculous.

Damn what a fight.

WOW

One of the best cards ever in terms of entertaining fights.

Donaldddddddxxx!

Back to Bellator you fucking clown!

feel bad for nobody caring about MM lol



they goin to get booed if the fight isnt awesome

Easy win for Mighty Mouse. I got u4.5 rounds -194, 10 seconds into round 2, which was lower than the pre-fight line and Cariaso was already dazed at the end of round 1.

On my way home.

some thoughts:
alvarez vs cerrone: key to figuring out this fight was jones vs rampage. alvarez is a better boxer than rampage and jones is ranger/better than cerrone, but thats the blueprint for beating a shorter better boxer. have seen this over and over, rory macdonald vs bj penn, rory vs nate diaz, condit vs nate diaz, the list goes on and on. i thought alvarez would have more success wrestling and be able to pull off what nate did against cerrone, but the difference was getting into range. alvarez tried to dart in and out, while diaz has that extra long reach and is a bit more willing to take some strikes to land some.

we all knew this was a perfect matchup for conor, but wow was he impressive. hes clever, fast, elusive, moves well, hits hard and reads opponents well. before the fight i said it would be a shame if he got a title shot without having to face mendes/lamas/swanson/edgar, but hes clearly in the same league as that group of fighters. i would favor mendes/edgar over him, but i think he beats lamas/swanson due to speed/fight iq advantages.

yoel unquestionably should have been DQ'ed. apparently there was some snafu with the commission asking him to be wiped down, but when hes completely rocked and out of it, start the fight or end it.

was at the gym in my apartment complex tonight and a jacked security guard comes up to me and starts talking about BJJ (i was wearing a BJJ shirt). hes a training partner of werdums, purple belt wrestler thats like 5'10 225, built like cain. basically said he thinks werdum has no chance lol

^^ wow good tip. all in on cain then

Ive been on the mcgregoat hype train since last year but Im really concerned with his lack of respect for his opponents strikes. He needs to work more on not getting tagged and I've seen him get caught with some decent shots in almost all of his fights early in the game. The guys got a good chin on him though

On September 28 2014 07:49 whamm! wrote: Ive been on the mcgregoat hype train since last year but Im really concerned with his lack of respect for his opponents strikes. He needs to work more on not getting tagged and I've seen him get caught with some decent shots in almost all of his fights early in the game. The guys got a good chin on him though

he moves kinda like dominic cruz. except cruz's movement feels random and to throw someone off, conor seems like hes actively cutting angles much harder. he is hittable cause he cuts it close, doesnt need to take so much risk with that big of a gap in skill, and vs better strikers needs to be more careful. but hes great

Grabbing the glove allowed Kennedy to do all that damage near the end of the round.

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Is grabbing the glove legal?

no

Should be legal.

On September 28 2014 07:49 whamm! wrote: Ive been on the mcgregoat hype train since last year but Im really concerned with his lack of respect for his opponents strikes. He needs to work more on not getting tagged and I've seen him get caught with some decent shots in almost all of his fights early in the game. The guys got a good chin on him though

Its why i said Poirier is the smarter fighter, McIrishman when presented with a situation where he has to take damage in order to inflict damage would always take it, expecting that he will be more efficient I guess. Sure that s quite interesting to watch for us since there s more action going on, however I don't see why should he do such exchanges when he s the better fighter, he could potentially lose a fight which he would normally dominate cause of such trades.

I feel sorry for Tim Kennedy, you cant have like 30secs more rest what the fuck, just forfeit the fight, its the smart thing to do + its what rules are set for ....

On September 28 2014 16:51 Minsk wrote: Should be legal.

You'd have too many problems with gloves coming off I think.

On September 27 2014 23:10 drone666 wrote: feel bad for nobody caring about MM lol they goin to get booed if the fight isnt awesome

hes there but hes just too small to see

On September 28 2014 22:29 TianYuan wrote: You'd have too many problems with gloves coming off I think.

Thats a valid point. Not sure which way is better but its not as clear as I thought.

On September 28 2014 16:51 Minsk wrote: Should be legal.

Seems quite dirty, if you wanna show dominance just control his wrist meh.

Kennedy uses illegal tactic to change the course of a fight he's getting raped in, almost KO's Yoel.

Yoel takes too long to answer bell for whatever reason.

Yoel is granted grace period for whatever reason, comes back, KTFO's Kennedy

Karmic justice is served, the much better man won the fight that night. I haven't seen anyone up in arms on this site, but on Sherdog, people are so stupid getting all mad at Romero, as if he even knew what was going on sitting there half conscious on the stool. Let's all get over it and be happy that a much more exciting and higher ceiling'ed fighter won the fight.

Kennedy is a more consistent fighter but has lower variance in terms of who he'll lose to, but also who he can beat. Romero has a much better chance against a Jacare or a Rockhold or a Weidman. Even though I think he loses to any of them and I still take Weidman >>>>>> everyone else as always.

Romero would get raped versus a healthy Weidman. I'd like to see Romero vs. Jacare, though. However, there was a recent article that came out yesterday, I think, that said Jacare is going to sit out and wait for the winner of Weidman/Vitor, which was recently postponed till sometime in 2015 (probably February 2015).

Basically, we won't be seeing Jacare for awhile.

Romero was good for somebody I've never seen