Hey White People!

Fucking white people, when will we ever learn? All we can do is be racist only all of the time. Shooting anyone that looks a different color than us, or even having a different ideology. When are we ever going to accept any cultural enrichment and diversity? White people make me fucking SICK. It's 20 FUCKING 14, RACISM SHOULD BE DEAD BY NOW!!!

>McCarthyism

sup

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Well the mainstream media is horrible in generally only publicizing white on black crimes and you often hear nothing about the other way around

While the Trayvon Martin case was going on, there was a young white couple that went to college at the University of Tennessee (same as me), that were attacked in an attempted carjacking by 5 black males. The attackers kidnapped the couple and raped, tortured and mutilated their bodies. One of the victims bodies was actually burned. Absolutely evil and fucked up shit and you heard nothing about this case in mainstream media

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murders_of_Channon_Christian_and_Christopher_Newsom

Imo, it's not so much a white vs black thing at all. It has everything to do with how flawed our justice system is and in the case of the Ferguson happenings not holding policemen accountable for their own actions. How hard would it be to just require every policeman to wear a small camera somewhere on their uniform to monitor all of their actions while working?

Well, the media are full of shit. They don't believe you will tune in and listen to them unless they give you some kind of shock, anger or hype to internally resolve. If you don't tune in, they have no manipulative power over you and gain no revenue through TV advertisement slot sales. Nice white on black text with hashtags (do people think that hastags mean anything? really?)

Blacks and whites are different. Both have different cultures and personalities. It has to be said that the fact people immediately focus on race (black or white) dumbs down and enrages people for a whole multitude of reasons. Why do you think the media promote and do it?

Facts from the actual shooting that I've read are:
- There was a robbery (almost certainly) committed by Brown (now the deceased) prior to meeting the officer. He stole cigars.
- The officer stops two blacks for jaywalking in the middle of the road and informs them to go back onto the sidewalk. At some point he realises that these two were likely involved in the robbery as they had cigars visible.
- Mixed reports: The friend who was jaywalking with Brown says the officer opened the door and it slammed into both him and his friend and then rebounded, enraging the officer. Unlikely. Other witnesses say that they saw the officer try to put Brown into the back of his car when they heard a shot. Others claim there was no shot and the officer began shooting after Brown escaped from the car and after he had raised his hands, surrendering.
- The officer claims that he was assaulted prior to the shooting. He tried to get out of the car but Brown pushed the officer back inside then assaulted him and tried to grab his firearm. The first shot was fired inside the car (presumably during the struggle and not hitting anyone) and Brown ran away. He eventually turned around and moved towards the officer (charging?) which caused the officer to fear for his life. It was then that the officer fired and killed Brown hitting him at least 6 times (standard).

Imo he could have used his baton, pepperspray or tazer but with his weapon already drawn and given that Brown just tried to take his weapon I can see why he might be afraid of it being taken from him and used on him especially if he was charged at. Brown died 10 metres away from the police car although the officer had left his car and pursued him so it wasn't like he had 10 metres of space to command Brown to get on the ground or something. I don't see any reason for rioting at all. If a white person acted that way and ended up dead I wouldn't think twice so why should I about this? The officer had a clean slate and had been working for 6 years.

On September 10 2014 13:17 TimDawg wrote: How hard would it be to just require every policeman to wear a small camera somewhere on their uniform to monitor all of their actions while working?

It would cost a crazy amount of money I imagine. The purchase of the cameras, the database management, etc. etc. etc. So many costs we wouldn't even think of. Which makes it a pretty unlikely possibility.

edit - and of course media is going to sensationalize any possible racial conflict (specifically white vs black). Spikes the ratings, increases the revenue. Basically what ggplz said.

plus the hood is full of dumb angry racist people

holy shit timdawg, i read about the crime you posted.....sick and evil. those guys assholes get prison and a better death than what they gave....i think they should get very painful and slow torture and a prolonged life of torture for what they did

Hey NIGGAS!

On September 10 2014 13:17 TimDawg wrote: Well the mainstream media is horrible in generally only publicizing white on black crimes and you often hear nothing about the other way around While the Trayvon Martin case was going on, there was a young white couple that went to college at the University of Tennessee (same as me), that were attacked in an attempted carjacking by 5 black males. The attackers kidnapped the couple and raped, tortured and mutilated their bodies. One of the victims bodies was actually burned. Absolutely evil and fucked up shit and you heard nothing about this case in mainstream media http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murders_of_Channon_Christian_and_Christopher_Newsom Imo, it's not so much a white vs black thing at all. It has everything to do with how flawed our justice system is and in the case of the Ferguson happenings not holding policemen accountable for their own actions. How hard would it be to just require every policeman to wear a small camera somewhere on their uniform to monitor all of their actions while working?

That because black on anything crime is extremely standard

Radical islam taking over the world would have some up sides. Wont have to be forced to watch retards repeat and explain retarded shit to mass retard population. Plus you'd get a nice free carpet to praise a different name of the sun like 5 times a day.


Anyways TimDawg camera idea is horrible on so many levels ... and I saw posts about that case on 9gag. People will kill people and it doesn't matter what color their skin is. Racism will exist as long as people are talking about it. And corporations will control medias to manipulate mass retards.Theoretically we should live in an age where you could free your mind in ever aspect possible, as you could get more sources of information than a person can possibly read, yet the mass will always be controlled, simply because its easier for them to survive.. also one of the reasons why i feel no empathy for idiots.

Another problem with with the case you posted is, that if the mass media now uses it, loads of racists will have in their own eyes a very solid reason to justify their racism.

And ofc that the hood is full of angry racist people, do you expect them to be happy and erudite when they're uneducated and on the verge of poverty ? Best comment ever wow. Find a ghetto where people are happy rofl

On September 10 2014 13:17 TimDawg wrote: Well the mainstream media is horrible in generally only publicizing white on black crimes and you often hear nothing about the other way around While the Trayvon Martin case was going on, there was a young white couple that went to college at the University of Tennessee (same as me), that were attacked in an attempted carjacking by 5 black males. The attackers kidnapped the couple and raped, tortured and mutilated their bodies. One of the victims bodies was actually burned. Absolutely evil and fucked up shit and you heard nothing about this case in mainstream media http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murders_of_Channon_Christian_and_Christopher_Newsom Imo, it's not so much a white vs black thing at all. It has everything to do with how flawed our justice system is and in the case of the Ferguson happenings not holding policemen accountable for their own actions. How hard would it be to just require every policeman to wear a small camera somewhere on their uniform to monitor all of their actions while working?

that happened 7 years ago

This happened a few nights ago though

On September 10 2014 19:13 blackjacki2 wrote: This happened a few nights ago though

meh, this happens quite often if you are out in the streets at night with drunk people, glasgow also has its reputation. Not discarding this is a racist attack but you would have to stack this agaisnt all the other white-to-white drunk fight incidents as people would start fights for no reason when drunk.

His race might have been the excuse they found to rationalize their angry impulses - as much as others would if they saw a fat/gay/etc - although still wrong, would not make a good example of pure or even really true racism.

edit. that being said - that nigga handled the situation quite well. So this is an example of a black guy handling conflict well. <--- Are positive race remarks also racist? I think so, therefore im more of the ideology that as soon as other races stop bringing it up like just now, the collective human race will move towards leaving that behind.

The problem is police accountability they can do anything they want and rarely get any repercussion for it.

But riots for days because a robber got killed in weird circumstances is ridiculous, obviously Im not saying that its ok to kill robbers and depending on what really happened the cop might deserve life in jail but they are making it look like as if a cop just shot a random innocent 10 year old black kid for no reason.

On September 10 2014 15:55 devon06atX wrote: Show nested quote + On September 10 2014 13:17 TimDawg wrote: How hard would it be to just require every policeman to wear a small camera somewhere on their uniform to monitor all of their actions while working? It would cost a crazy amount of money I imagine. The purchase of the cameras, the database management, etc. etc. etc. So many costs we wouldn't even think of. Which makes it a pretty unlikely possibility. edit - and of course media is going to sensationalize any possible racial conflict (specifically white vs black). Spikes the ratings, increases the revenue. Basically what ggplz said.

it's being done in cali, i believe, and it's reduced police brutality by like a whopping 80%.

but still, the new mccarthyism

i trust cops 100%. I dont trust cannabis users who dont take care of their personal hygiene.

omg being white is so terrible

On September 10 2014 12:27 RaiNKhAN wrote: two 3packs of chicken tacos, extra cheese, sour cream one philly cheese steak, peppers onions mushrooms no fries no soda no fries no soda

Now I'm hungry asshole.

We can't own people anymore. Thanks, Lincoln.

On September 10 2014 15:55 devon06atX wrote: Show nested quote + On September 10 2014 13:17 TimDawg wrote: How hard would it be to just require every policeman to wear a small camera somewhere on their uniform to monitor all of their actions while working? It would cost a crazy amount of money I imagine. The purchase of the cameras, the database management, etc. etc. etc. So many costs we wouldn't even think of. Which makes it a pretty unlikely possibility. edit - and of course media is going to sensationalize any possible racial conflict (specifically white vs black). Spikes the ratings, increases the revenue. Basically what ggplz said.

US government is retarded with money. Look at how much it costs to execute 13 people in california.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06...fornia-death-penalty-_0_n_880436.html
we are goddamn retarded
money the cameras cost less than these 13 executions

to me these things don't have to do with race. if you spend tons of money militarizing police for the war on drugs or whatever and then fill all the grunt jobs with like veterans of military service who think in terms of the enemy i mean come on. i don't see that personnel cameras would be that expensive, or anyways it would be worth it to have a fucking accountable police force that can serve the people instead of executing them... solve problems instead of making them. anyone with a smartphone has two cameras on them already, police cruisers have dashcams already

the truth is being a police officer is dangerous but why have tazers and mace and the baton and all this stuff if all you want to do is kill people

On September 11 2014 00:07 awesomeguy wrote: i trust cops 100%. I dont trust cannabis users who dont take care of their personal hygiene.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montrea...r-by-quebec-city-police-car-1.2755251

police brutality is one thing, but the mccarthyism is what im getting at...

On September 11 2014 03:53 Liquid`Drone wrote: omg being white is so terrible

in south africa, being white is actually very terrible, but of course, white people shouldn't get any sort of protection at all when it comes to genocide. or that being white makes you a target for a flash mob beating at kroger, that's actually a good thing, right?

On September 11 2014 10:04 Santafairy wrote: to me these things don't have to do with race. if you spend tons of money militarizing police for the war on drugs or whatever and then fill all the grunt jobs with like veterans of military service who think in terms of the enemy i mean come on. i don't see that personnel cameras would be that expensive, or anyways it would be worth it to have a fucking accountable police force that can serve the people instead of executing them... solve problems instead of making them. anyone with a smartphone has two cameras on them already, police cruisers have dashcams already the truth is being a police officer is dangerous but why have tazers and mace and the baton and all this stuff if all you want to do is kill people

god help us. The reptilian police are everywhere and all they want to do is kill people.

Police brutality? give me a fkin break, if they would be more polite in US the riots would be an ongoing thing on the streets. It is not about racism , it is just the fact that bigger percent of black population is pure dumb, and I do not mean educated, they just fkin are. This is pure natural selection, we should not blame anyone, it is just the way it is.

Chris Rock: " when I`am trying to get some money at night I am not looking out at media, I am looking for niggers" pure comedy and pure life.

@TimDawg the only reason that Treyvon case was made public was because of the police reaction. It has nothing to do with the crime etc.

Do you REALLY think if there was a black man killing an un-armed white teenager in a rich with all the evidence of that case the police wouldn't even arrest the black guy? Nobody can honestly think that. Again it has nothing to do with the case itself, it is about how the state (police) handled the case.

Same thing in Furgosen. And THAT is racism. There are tons of studies to support the claim too. Ppl with black names get less job interviews, people that are black are constantly profiled and arrested for drugs etc etc. There are way more black ppl in prisons than white people proportion to the crimes. There are many more black death penalties than white. It is just obv.

On September 11 2014 03:53 Liquid`Drone wrote: omg being white is so terrible

when has somebody suggested that being white is worse than any other race?

On September 11 2014 13:02 suited_mess wrote: Police brutality? give me a fkin break, if they would be more polite in US the riots would be an ongoing thing on the streets. It is not about racism , it is just the fact that bigger percent of black population is pure dumb, and I do not mean educated, they just fkin are. This is pure natural selection, we should not blame anyone, it is just the way it is. Chris Rock: " when I`am trying to get some money at night I am not looking out at media, I am looking for niggers" pure comedy and pure life.

lololol these types of thread eventually lure the vermin out, can we skip the future heachaches and ban this asshat right now?

a) gnarly shouldn't be able to make threads anymore
b) he must have posted as 3-4 different people in this thread
c) too many ppl trying to come off as "cool" or "smart" to have any real meaningful conversation which suxs.

On September 11 2014 12:37 awesomeguy wrote: Show nested quote + On September 11 2014 10:04 Santafairy wrote: to me these things don't have to do with race. if you spend tons of money militarizing police for the war on drugs or whatever and then fill all the grunt jobs with like veterans of military service who think in terms of the enemy i mean come on. i don't see that personnel cameras would be that expensive, or anyways it would be worth it to have a fucking accountable police force that can serve the people instead of executing them... solve problems instead of making them. anyone with a smartphone has two cameras on them already, police cruisers have dashcams already the truth is being a police officer is dangerous but why have tazers and mace and the baton and all this stuff if all you want to do is kill people god help us. The reptilian police are everywhere and all they want to do is kill people.

LOL how did you remember that post

On September 11 2014 13:02 suited_mess wrote: Police brutality? give me a fkin break, if they would be more polite in US the riots would be an ongoing thing on the streets. It is not about racism , it is just the fact that bigger percent of black population is pure dumb, and I do not mean educated, they just fkin are. This is pure natural selection, we should not blame anyone, it is just the way it is. Chris Rock: " when I`am trying to get some money at night I am not looking out at media, I am looking for niggers" pure comedy and pure life.

You are a fucking loser.

On September 12 2014 13:29 handbanana21 wrote: Show nested quote + On September 11 2014 13:02 suited_mess wrote: Police brutality? give me a fkin break, if they would be more polite in US the riots would be an ongoing thing on the streets. It is not about racism , it is just the fact that bigger percent of black population is pure dumb, and I do not mean educated, they just fkin are. This is pure natural selection, we should not blame anyone, it is just the way it is. Chris Rock: " when I`am trying to get some money at night I am not looking out at media, I am looking for niggers" pure comedy and pure life. You are a fucking loser.

http://nces.ed.gov/pubs2010/2010015.pdf <-- read something, make some conclusion, then try to insult, It is a fact - not racism

On September 12 2014 16:24 suited_mess wrote: Show nested quote + On September 12 2014 13:29 handbanana21 wrote:   On September 11 2014 13:02 suited_mess wrote: Police brutality? give me a fkin break, if they would be more polite in US the riots would be an ongoing thing on the streets. It is not about racism , it is just the fact that bigger percent of black population is pure dumb, and I do not mean educated, they just fkin are. This is pure natural selection, we should not blame anyone, it is just the way it is. Chris Rock: " when I`am trying to get some money at night I am not looking out at media, I am looking for niggers" pure comedy and pure life. You are a fucking loser. http://nces.ed.gov/pubs2010/2010015.pdf <-- read something, make some conclusion, then try to insult, It is a fact - not racism

On September 11 2014 13:15 capaneo wrote: @TimDawg the only reason that Treyvon case was made public was because of the police reaction. It has nothing to do with the crime etc. Do you REALLY think if there was a black man killing an un-armed white teenager in a rich with all the evidence of that case the police wouldn't even arrest the black guy? Nobody can honestly think that. Again it has nothing to do with the case itself, it is about how the state (police) handled the case. Same thing in Furgosen. And THAT is racism. There are tons of studies to support the claim too. Ppl with black names get less job interviews, people that are black are constantly profiled and arrested for drugs etc etc. There are way more black ppl in prisons than white people proportion to the crimes. There are many more black death penalties than white. It is just obv.

The first thing you said is exactly the point I was trying to make

And I agree with you about Ferguson. It for sure is a race issue but mostly imo the way the police operate (in particular with black people) is the main problem

New York Police Commissioner Ray Kelly confirms Mac Donald’s facts. Blacks and Hispanics commit 96 percent of all crimes in the city, he says, but only 85 percent of the stop-and-frisks are of blacks and Hispanics.

http://humanevents.com/2013/07/19/black-americas-real-problem-isnt-white-racism/

The police sure aren't operating as effectively as could be...

According to Kelly, a majority of his police force, which he has been able to cut from 41,000 officers to 35,000, is now made up of minorities.

Should mention this, too, cause it's funny seeing black protestors protest against black cops.

I don't think it's got too much to do with racism, but black people are heavily oppressed in america to the point that it looks like a third world country. If you look at prison rates america has up to 700/100k people per prison, which is at least 3 times higher than any other country in the OECD. And it's disproportionately high in the minority races. New Zealand is coming in 2nd at 200/100k. This doesn't have much to do with racism, rather it has more to do getting rid of an extremely high unemployment rate, giving corporations(private prisons) a way to make crazy profits off this, and it allows for a source of social control. American prisons are inhuman in their savagery, and have been repeatedly condemned by amnesty international. I also think that cities like Detroit have been allowed to fail much more than other cities because of the high % of black population.
economists will give you models about how capitalism isnt racist, since a business owner would pay a black person the same as a white person if they are just as productive. This is all true, and has allowed for the rise of black people into middle/upper class. But at the same time economists don't understand how and why various institutions influence government policy. Black oppression has inceased since the 70's, but it is not so much because of racism as it is the change in the economic structure of the world.

As for the Treyvon case, i've never looked at it but my superficial impression is that it is media sensationalist crap. If the media had any moral feeling, which they don't, they would at least begin by discussing what criminologists have to say.

I couldn't watch more than 5 seconds of the video OP posted, hate that kind of stuff.

On September 13 2014 01:47 Stroggoz wrote: American prisons are inhuman in their savagery, and have been repeatedly condemned by amnesty international.

lmao

I chased down a thief once and caught him and police put him in jail, i visited him and he was crying that i dont press charges because he's been standing for three days with no sleep lol.
Don't break the fucking law. Even if it's an unfair law or shit, stop going to jail idiots or leave the country, its that simple.

Welcome to Bastøy Prison

Police need to show acts of brutality from time to time, and the fact that its publicly shown is even better. Last thing you want to have is a reputation of being "soft" when it comes to law enforcement on the street. I don't enjoy it, but I think it's a necessary evil, people gonna think twice before messing with the popo's.

"In 1999, when the US asked for extradition of an American prisoner, the Norwegian Supreme Court declared that most US prisons do not meet the minimum humanitarian standards."

LOL

On September 12 2014 08:14 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On September 11 2014 03:53 Liquid`Drone wrote: omg being white is so terrible when has somebody suggested that being white is worse than any other race?

gnarly does, all the time

On September 13 2014 06:58 whamm! wrote: I chased down a thief once and caught him and police put him in jail, i visited him and he was crying that i dont press charges because he's been standing for three days with no sleep lol. Don't break the fucking law. Even if it's an unfair law or shit, stop going to jail idiots or leave the country, its that simple.

briliant

whats brilliant about that

On September 13 2014 01:47 Stroggoz wrote: I don't think it's got too much to do with racism, but black people are heavily oppressed in america to the point that it looks like a third world country. If you look at prison rates america has up to 700/100k people per prison, which is at least 3 times higher than any other country in the OECD. And it's disproportionately high in the minority races. New Zealand is coming in 2nd at 200/100k. This doesn't have much to do with racism, rather it has more to do getting rid of an extremely high unemployment rate, giving corporations(private prisons) a way to make crazy profits off this, and it allows for a source of social control. American prisons are inhuman in their savagery, and have been repeatedly condemned by amnesty international. I also think that cities like Detroit have been allowed to fail much more than other cities because of the high % of black population. economists will give you models about how capitalism isnt racist, since a business owner would pay a black person the same as a white person if they are just as productive. This is all true, and has allowed for the rise of black people into middle/upper class. But at the same time economists don't understand how and why various institutions influence government policy. Black oppression has inceased since the 70's, but it is not so much because of racism as it is the change in the economic structure of the world. As for the Treyvon case, i've never looked at it but my superficial impression is that it is media sensationalist crap. If the media had any moral feeling, which they don't, they would at least begin by discussing what criminologists have to say. I couldn't watch more than 5 seconds of the video OP posted, hate that kind of stuff.

>commit an overwhelmingly large % of crimes
>end up an overwhelmingly large % of prison population

DAS RACIS CAPITALISM AT WORK YALL

1. move to Norway
2. sell drugs

3a. make money and improve lifestyle
3b. go to prison and improve lifestyle

On September 13 2014 11:47 bigredhoss wrote: 1. move to Norway 2. sell drugs 3a. make money and improve lifestyle 3b. go to prison and improve lifestyle

was my exact thought when I saw that Bastoy place. I bet sentences are super short too. What a freeroll

On September 13 2014 11:27 Gnarly wrote: Show nested quote + On September 13 2014 01:47 Stroggoz wrote: I don't think it's got too much to do with racism, but black people are heavily oppressed in america to the point that it looks like a third world country. If you look at prison rates america has up to 700/100k people per prison, which is at least 3 times higher than any other country in the OECD. And it's disproportionately high in the minority races. New Zealand is coming in 2nd at 200/100k. This doesn't have much to do with racism, rather it has more to do getting rid of an extremely high unemployment rate, giving corporations(private prisons) a way to make crazy profits off this, and it allows for a source of social control. American prisons are inhuman in their savagery, and have been repeatedly condemned by amnesty international. I also think that cities like Detroit have been allowed to fail much more than other cities because of the high % of black population. economists will give you models about how capitalism isnt racist, since a business owner would pay a black person the same as a white person if they are just as productive. This is all true, and has allowed for the rise of black people into middle/upper class. But at the same time economists don't understand how and why various institutions influence government policy. Black oppression has inceased since the 70's, but it is not so much because of racism as it is the change in the economic structure of the world. As for the Treyvon case, i've never looked at it but my superficial impression is that it is media sensationalist crap. If the media had any moral feeling, which they don't, they would at least begin by discussing what criminologists have to say. I couldn't watch more than 5 seconds of the video OP posted, hate that kind of stuff. >commit an overwhelmingly large % of crimes >end up an overwhelmingly large % of prison population DAS RACIS CAPITALISM AT WORK YALL

crime in america is not overwhelming large. It is similar to other OECD countries, although there are anomalies where crime is high such as shootings with guns, but that isn't because of a criminal culture but the gun culture america has. Crime in america has roughly stayed the same over time as the prison population has skyrocketed.

On September 13 2014 08:36 TalentedTom wrote: Police need to show acts of brutality from time to time, and the fact that its publicly shown is even better. Last thing you want to have is a reputation of being "soft" when it comes to law enforcement on the street. I don't enjoy it, but I think it's a necessary evil, people gonna think twice before messing with the popo's.

Thats extremely retarded, the police needs to show a high % of conviction rate, how is the police doing illegal things cause people to stop doing illegal things? Theres quite strong evidence that actually fear to punishment does little to dissuade crime compared to simple social civility.

You know this I dont know why you make that dumb statement, you have seen norways prisons and police yet it has way less crime than the US

lol

The law needs to make adjustments to increased rate of crime.

In regards to the post Tom made, that's an absurd opinion to have and the reason their is a justice system in civilized countries that protects citizens from exactly that, corruption.

Here in St. Martin they have had 100 armed robberies this year already, 25 x more then the average just a few years ago.
while the punishment of 9 months in prison seems appropriate, the rate of conviction is low, along with the increased levels of poverty its causing young men to take risks they believe to be worth the consequences. Also, the salary of police officers is really low. I am not sure what the solution could be to the increased level of crime, I think perhaps increasing the risk will deter some criminals, but what can they do if they are on the brink of survival, with no food to eat, and no real jobs to pay the bills?

On September 13 2014 19:29 Stroggoz wrote: Show nested quote + On September 13 2014 11:27 Gnarly wrote:   On September 13 2014 01:47 Stroggoz wrote: I don't think it's got too much to do with racism, but black people are heavily oppressed in america to the point that it looks like a third world country. If you look at prison rates america has up to 700/100k people per prison, which is at least 3 times higher than any other country in the OECD. And it's disproportionately high in the minority races. New Zealand is coming in 2nd at 200/100k. This doesn't have much to do with racism, rather it has more to do getting rid of an extremely high unemployment rate, giving corporations(private prisons) a way to make crazy profits off this, and it allows for a source of social control. American prisons are inhuman in their savagery, and have been repeatedly condemned by amnesty international. I also think that cities like Detroit have been allowed to fail much more than other cities because of the high % of black population. economists will give you models about how capitalism isnt racist, since a business owner would pay a black person the same as a white person if they are just as productive. This is all true, and has allowed for the rise of black people into middle/upper class. But at the same time economists don't understand how and why various institutions influence government policy. Black oppression has inceased since the 70's, but it is not so much because of racism as it is the change in the economic structure of the world. As for the Treyvon case, i've never looked at it but my superficial impression is that it is media sensationalist crap. If the media had any moral feeling, which they don't, they would at least begin by discussing what criminologists have to say. I couldn't watch more than 5 seconds of the video OP posted, hate that kind of stuff. >commit an overwhelmingly large % of crimes >end up an overwhelmingly large % of prison population DAS RACIS CAPITALISM AT WORK YALL crime in america is not overwhelming large. It is similar to other OECD countries, although there are anomalies where crime is high such as shootings with guns, but that isn't because of a criminal culture but the gun culture america has. Crime in america has roughly stayed the same over time as the prison population has skyrocketed.

crime has been going down, nor am I saying that crime is big. what im saying is that black people commit a VERY large % of crime, as opposed to white people or asian people or etc.. (you know, that link I posted...)

>gun culture

Yeah, it's the white republicans who are so fanatical about guns, yet it's the black youth in Detroit shooting each other up to a hundred times per weekend. I can't tell you how many times I've just sat and listened to their police scanners at night and actually couldn't step away from the action.

On September 13 2014 22:39 casinocasino wrote: The law needs to make adjustments to increased rate of crime. In regards to the post Tom made, that's an absurd opinion to have and the reason their is a justice system in civilized countries that protects citizens from exactly that, corruption. Here in St. Martin they have had 100 armed robberies this year already, 25 x more then the average just a few years ago. while the punishment of 9 months in prison seems appropriate, the rate of conviction is low, along with the increased levels of poverty its causing young men to take risks they believe to be worth the consequences. Also, the salary of police officers is really low. I am not sure what the solution could be to the increased level of crime, I think perhaps increasing the risk will deter some criminals, but what can they do if they are on the brink of survival, with no food to eat, and no real jobs to pay the bills?

give them universal basic income...

damn that football field is "free" and it looks better than any paid one we have here

On September 13 2014 10:49 VanDerMeyde wrote: whats brilliant about that

jailtime should be punisment, not vacation with free accomodation, gym, sauna, tv, internet and 3 hot meals a day

The police needs to show a high % of conviction rate <-- this is retarded, thinking that police has anything to do with that, your courts are letting people free, not fkin police. Nice ass kicking is at least some fkin punishment that these idiots are going to get, before some retarted lawyer will help them to get out from trouble. This is the only thing that I really love about the super conservative muslim countries. If you commited the crime You will remmember about it to end of Your fkin days. Look at Iran, in 2013 they presented new machine to cut off hands when someone steal, i mean this is brilliant some fucker received also 99 lashes, 3 years of a jail and lost his hand. That is a fkin lesson, trust me, when Your kid would see a guy without a hand driking with a straw in bar, asking You what happened to him. After hearing your reply trust on this - no more thinking about fkin stealing and shit. After all we are just animals that went through whole evolution process, dog in a house with strong hand over his head is a sweet sweet pet, living in a fkin forest it is a deadly wolf!

Well who knows, maybe cutting niggers limbs off is the answer to Americas crime problem.

dp

On September 14 2014 03:50 dogmeat wrote: Show nested quote + On September 13 2014 10:49 VanDerMeyde wrote: whats brilliant about that jailtime should be punisment, not vacation with free accomodation, gym, sauna, tv, internet and 3 hot meals a day

Why ? What do you think will happen to these people when they get out some day from american torture prisons ? There are other factors involved than just punishment. If punishment will acctually just lead to more criminality, more rapes, more murders etc is it worth it ? So that YOU can feel justice ?

And where do they get internet and sauna ?

On September 14 2014 05:55 awesomeguy wrote: Well who knows, maybe cutting niggers limbs off is the answer to Americas crime problem.

was talking in general, and such laws should be applied to any fkin country on earth, to give a fkin lesson, the worst thing to do is to give fkin fine, or give so called jail time in submission, no lesson learned and trust me i know what I am talking about. You will see what is going on when it will touch people closest to you, when some dumb fuck will do the same thing, because someone decided that he should receive another chance, then you will cry, but it will be to fkin late. You commit a crime, you get as hard punishment you can get simple as that

On September 14 2014 07:06 VanDerMeyde wrote: Show nested quote + On September 14 2014 03:50 dogmeat wrote:   On September 13 2014 10:49 VanDerMeyde wrote: whats brilliant about that jailtime should be punisment, not vacation with free accomodation, gym, sauna, tv, internet and 3 hot meals a day Why ? What do you think will happen to these people when they get out some day from american torture prisons ? There are other factors involved than just punishment. If punishment will acctually just lead to more criminality, more rapes, more murders etc is it worth it ? So that YOU can feel justice ? And where do they get internet and sauna ?

In Norway? :D

http://content.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,1989083_2137368,00.html

There are better ways to spend the prisoners time than punishment... For the good of society. When people go to prison they should learn responsibility, getting them into a normal work routine 8-4, rehabilitation, build their confidence and self-respect.

Bastøy prison is for prisoners that proved themself first in other normal facilities... I strongly believe every prison should be like Bastøy and Halden.... But there are definitly other prison facilities in Norway that are not as good and modern as Halden. Now you can also risk to be sent to Dutch prisons... if you are a foreigner and is supposed to be banned from Norway anyway at least...

The results are just amazing. Just compare the recidivism rate US vs Norway for example.

On September 14 2014 07:40 suited_mess wrote: Show nested quote + On September 14 2014 05:55 awesomeguy wrote: Well who knows, maybe cutting niggers limbs off is the answer to Americas crime problem. was talking in general, and such laws should be applied to any fkin country on earth, to give a fkin lesson, the worst thing to do is to give fkin fine, or give so called jail time in submission, no lesson learned and trust me i know what I am talking about. You will see what is going on when it will touch people closest to you, when some dumb fuck will do the same thing, because someone decided that he should receive another chance, then you will cry, but it will be to fkin late. You commit a crime, you get as hard punishment you can get simple as that

you just sound like a sadist

On September 14 2014 03:50 dogmeat wrote: Show nested quote + On September 13 2014 10:49 VanDerMeyde wrote: whats brilliant about that jailtime should be punisment, not vacation with free accomodation, gym, sauna, tv, internet and 3 hot meals a day

it shouldn't be just punishment. That is a shallow, poisonous and callous world view. Everyone should care for prisoners, even if they do not care back. There is no reason to punish for the sake of vengeance. It is sadistic and selfish. I'm sure those vengeful moral values are ones which you may share with some of the prisoners themselves. And that those values are what got them in prison in the first place. But of course, a lot of people are in prison for much less than that. A lot become prisoners simply because someone found personal drugs in their pocket. Perhaps one day you will take an interest in simple ethical truths that a ten year old could understand.

On September 13 2014 23:35 Gnarly wrote: Show nested quote + On September 13 2014 22:39 casinocasino wrote: The law needs to make adjustments to increased rate of crime. In regards to the post Tom made, that's an absurd opinion to have and the reason their is a justice system in civilized countries that protects citizens from exactly that, corruption. Here in St. Martin they have had 100 armed robberies this year already, 25 x more then the average just a few years ago. while the punishment of 9 months in prison seems appropriate, the rate of conviction is low, along with the increased levels of poverty its causing young men to take risks they believe to be worth the consequences. Also, the salary of police officers is really low. I am not sure what the solution could be to the increased level of crime, I think perhaps increasing the risk will deter some criminals, but what can they do if they are on the brink of survival, with no food to eat, and no real jobs to pay the bills? give them universal basic income...

Universal basic income huh? you mean give every resident the same pay regardless of the work they do? or just give away free income?

or do you mean minimum wage?
Because they already have a minimum wage standard in almost every country now, including St. Martin. its $900 a month here, and its really low in comparison to the prices. A police officer makes 1200 a month here, that's not enough incentive for them to risk their life against increasing rates of violent crime. Also the problem is not really with the minimum wage but the lack of work and the demand of tourists and how these crimes reflect on the tourism industry here.

i mean giving money to people for no work other than to generate demand.

every time it's been "tested" it has shown to increase the quality of life over almost every single factor of life by a good margin. in fact, Canada was the first country to test it out, I think, in the 90s. For a city, they did it for five years, I think?

but, on the subject of punishment and the prison system: there should be pretty much two prisons: one where you can be rehabilitated, not simply just punished (ie: working fish farms or dog training or welding or something); and the other one to punish those that can't be rehabilitated.

i think rehabilitation is a key word that hasn't been mentioned yet in this thread?

On September 14 2014 11:07 Gnarly wrote: i mean giving money to people for no work other than to generate demand. every time it's been "tested" it has shown to increase the quality of life over almost every single factor of life by a good margin. in fact, Canada was the first country to test it out, I think, in the 90s. For a city, they did it for five years, I think?

only tested on small groups. money = work, sure you can just print money but that will only cause inflation and you are back whre you started. geez

im not saying for the federal government to personally do it, but the corporations.

that's called paying taxes and a welfare system.

that does not solve anything

he doesnt mean welfare system, he means unconditional basic income, stupid idea some leftist retards who doesnt even understand the very basic economic principles are promoting

you all just watched Shawshank Redemption to many fkin times! Rehabilitation? How many times idiots were going out, and they did the very same thing after day or two and went back to fkin prison, You will say - good , it works as they went back to prison. I say talk to the mother of raped child, tell that to the girl who now has the face in scares from fkin ear to ear, tell that to mom of two kids that were killed by drink & drive fkin idiot. World is pretty small, sadist ? neeee i dont think so, but if there is no place for all of us, we should exterminate these fucks that are not able to live among us. And I love the most voice from Norway hahah, you know what Your love and dont giving a fuck gave? Breivik and over 80 kids or something killed in one day. And this idiot received the highest penealty - 21 years in jail. Should be killed at the fkin very beginning as a lesson. But no - now this dumb fuck can complain that he has only two games on his playstation, and no access to internet - are You fkin joking?!

your anecdote is not a way to run a civilization... talk to the guy who had his door kicked down in an armed DEA raid because the government thought he was a junkie and dealer... talk to the guy who got shot and killed while his face was against the ground because the cop thought he was holding his stun gun... talk to the guy who was on his motorcycle and then got his door kicked in and computers seized because he was filming the meatheaded cop with a gopro camera at the time, and then charged with wiretapping charges by a government that collects without warrant or probable cause every communication that happens on the internet in the name of national security... talk to the guy who got his door kicked in by a DEA raid because an overfunded police force with no hobbies was flying a helicopter around and saw a wild cannabis plant on the edge of his huge property... talk to the people who the state spends hundreds of millions of dollars on to pursue capital punishment and then executes a fucking innocent person... talk to the guy who is spending life in prison for stealing video tapes under california's 3 strikes rule... talk to people who were wrongly convicted of infant abuse because supposedly scientific doctors testified there was no other cause for shaken baby syndrome

if you talk to a victim of crime probably the deepest thing in their heart would be to wish there were less crime. not to fucking cut people's hands off for stealing. i don't know if even medieval people didn't cut hands off because it makes it nearly impossible to contribute to society. seriously muslim countries are your idol? where the good guys hang people for apostasy or being gay? and the bad guys machinegun cars at random that you can see on vimeo because of political disagreements?

what is your fetish with using laws that are written by humans to dehumanize people? like 10% of black men in america in jail, how many of them because of petty shit like marijuana, are in jail you think that's helping things?

but they all commited a crime, and could not keep up with the laws and rules arent they? so what you are winning about? hahaha omg, lots of lols, from a guy who is living next door to a lunatic, if you are so righteous in Korea why dont you help your own brothers in northern part tell me? 10% in jails are black? hahaha where you have your info from :D 50s and 60 s? hahaha, what i think is if you do not obey the fkin law, you are getting what You deserved. Guy on the ground wasnt kept there for nothing right? So the guy killed by DEA wasnt junkie and the dealer, and had nothing to do with it? DEA top narcotic police force invaded a family house, of a guy who had fkin dog, backyard and tree on it? you are lunatic. Same as Your neighbour mate

I haven't started reading it yet, but it was recommended by Bill Gates when he did his AMA. It's mainly about human's violence throughout our existence. If it fascinated a man like Gates, you should probably read it suited_mess and if that doesn't change your mind, don't know what will. However your ideas are beyond terrible, you don't see how you're part of the problem, the second a man acts on hatred he stars a never ending cycle of violence until someone that actually uses his head decides to swallow it all up. I don't understand how can people NOT see that, its the most obvious thing ever.

Edit:
Actually this is exactly why Japan's overall state of mentality is decades ahead of its time. Those are values they grow up with. Thats their "propaganda" as the values are forced in basically everything from newspappers to animes and shit. Its why they are 10000 times more efficient in anything than other nations. Its also why it took them about 30s to find volunteers( all of which were old) to go and suicide to save the new generation

and the worst part is, that is nothing more that being politically correct, talking shit like that etc. omg the smoked marijuana, why they are in jail - simple rule - do not fkin do that!!

Dogmeat you scare me.... I thought only republicans talk like this....

the fck did i do?

update on the thief guy which i forgot to mention. he still looks like he's capable of doing shit but from what i've heard, that three day prison stint got engraved into his brain like a mofo. Once i heard it i felt i did the lord's work there lol

i couldve just dropped it and have me return what he stole which he still possessed, but i really felt since he was a young adult, he needed to see whats in store for him if he keeps at this thug bs life hes trying to emulate.

whamm confirmed hardest motherfucker on LP

On September 14 2014 16:04 Spitfiree wrote: Actually this is exactly why Japan's overall state of mentality is decades ahead of its time. Those are values they grow up with. Thats their "propaganda" as the values are forced in basically everything from newspappers to animes and shit. Its why they are 10000 times more efficient in anything than other nations. Its also why it took them about 30s to find volunteers( all of which were old) to go and suicide to save the new generation

so ahead of its time they basically lost interest in sex? fuckin betas

On September 14 2014 13:19 dogmeat wrote: he doesnt mean welfare system, he means unconditional basic income, stupid idea some leftist retards who doesnt even understand the very basic economic principles are promoting

Yeah. let's go ahead and keep McJobs instead of automating the cashiers and cooks away so people can work shit jobs. do you even realize how much those types of job account for the total workforce of america?

more like dogshit to me.

On September 14 2014 12:01 Gnarly wrote: im not saying for the federal government to personally do it, but the corporations.

so you want corporations to give money to random people... to generate demand?


lol go back to economics 101 ... nah nevermind go back to common sense 101

On September 14 2014 16:04 suited_mess wrote: but they all commited a crime, and could not keep up with the laws and rules arent they? so what you are winning about? hahaha omg, lots of lols, from a guy who is living next door to a lunatic, if you are so righteous in Korea why dont you help your own brothers in northern part tell me? 10% in jails are black? hahaha where you have your info from :D 50s and 60 s? hahaha, what i think is if you do not obey the fkin law, you are getting what You deserved. Guy on the ground wasnt kept there for nothing right? So the guy killed by DEA wasnt junkie and the dealer, and had nothing to do with it? DEA top narcotic police force invaded a family house, of a guy who had fkin dog, backyard and tree on it? you are lunatic. Same as Your neighbour mate

okay i will schadenfreude all the way to the bank when poland makes trolling illegal and you get your hands amputated

On September 15 2014 02:12 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On September 14 2014 12:01 Gnarly wrote: im not saying for the federal government to personally do it, but the corporations. so you want corporations to give money to random people... to generate demand? lol go back to economics 101 ... nah nevermind go back to common sense 101

Its how corporations gain control over people, they give out money in the form of loans, obv not what you meant, but still....

Surprised you bother to read Gnarly's posts though

On September 15 2014 04:33 Spitfiree wrote: Show nested quote + On September 15 2014 02:12 Baalim wrote:   On September 14 2014 12:01 Gnarly wrote: im not saying for the federal government to personally do it, but the corporations. so you want corporations to give money to random people... to generate demand? lol go back to economics 101 ... nah nevermind go back to common sense 101 Its how corporations gain control over people, they give out money in the form of loans, obv not what you meant, but still.... Surprised you bother to read Gnarly's posts though

loans =/= giving money away, not remotely close

On September 15 2014 05:14 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On September 15 2014 04:33 Spitfiree wrote:   On September 15 2014 02:12 Baalim wrote:   On September 14 2014 12:01 Gnarly wrote: im not saying for the federal government to personally do it, but the corporations. so you want corporations to give money to random people... to generate demand? lol go back to economics 101 ... nah nevermind go back to common sense 101 Its how corporations gain control over people, they give out money in the form of loans, obv not what you meant, but still.... Surprised you bother to read Gnarly's posts though loans != giving money away, not remotely close

fyp

On September 15 2014 02:12 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On September 14 2014 12:01 Gnarly wrote: im not saying for the federal government to personally do it, but the corporations. so you want corporations to give money to random people... to generate demand? lol go back to economics 101 ... nah nevermind go back to common sense 101

I want corps to give money to their customers in order to sustain demand. But I guess it's common sense not to ensure that once you automate your workers away, not to make sure they still work for you through other means. (consumerism) Do you know about a fourth of all jobs in the States are jobs like McD's? Where do you think all these people will work at once McD replaces all cashiers with kiosks, and all cooks with conveyer belts? Then you won't need as many managers, either, and probably just the store manager and an equipment manager. Who do you think is going to be buying up McD's without a job?

OH FUCKING WAIT, IT'S ALREADY HAPPENING. PEOPLE ARE ALREADY BUYING MC'DS WITHOUT A JOB!!!! IT'S CALLED WELFARE!!!!

Except currently welfare is established through taxing working people's income and taxing people's consumerism. Once the people are no longer able to provide the welfare, guess who's going to have to to in order to keep things the way they are? Those whom benefit the most by it.

>common sense
>expecting McJobs to stick around forever, even in the next five years

give money to their customers -> sustain demand -> more $$$$ to be given to customers
????
profit


llol

gnarlie is so goddamn stoopid

>don't give customers money
>wonder why there are no customers

When no one has a job, no one will be a customer. Oh, wait, McJobs are eternal...

i'm not an economist but i believe companies give money to employees, although i'd like to learn more about your planet also gnarly

IM TALKING ABOUT THE INCREASED AUTOMATION WE ARE SEEING IN THE WORKFORCE LOL LIKE OPEN YOUR EYES AND LOOK AT THE COMPUTER SCREEN DON'T TURN 360 DEGREES AND WALK AWAY

LITERALLY ON THIS PAGE LOL

On September 15 2014 14:07 Gnarly wrote: DON'T TURN 360 DEGREES AND WALK AWAY

such a troll :D

On September 15 2014 14:07 Gnarly wrote: IM TALKING ABOUT THE INCREASED AUTOMATION WE ARE SEEING IN THE WORKFORCE LOL LIKE OPEN YOUR EYES AND LOOK AT THE COMPUTER SCREEN DON'T TURN 360 DEGREES AND WALK AWAY LITERALLY ON THIS PAGE LOL

360 degrees? not sure if trolling or just increasingly stupid with each post.


Automatization fear has existed since the beggining of the industrialization of production, oh noes... cars wont be welded by hand, oh the humanity!

What happens is that it simply shifts jobs from mindless grunt work to more advanced work, so instead of welding car doors now robot manufacturer needs people working on their line and more engeneers etc.

So college graduates can stop bitching about having no jobs, because now there will be new positions to build the Mc Donalds auto-servers or whatever, its the natural evolution of society and how jobs are created, jobs should exist because a service is required by society, not as a charity after you do 8 hours of useless work.

You do realize that service jobs are becoming increasingly larger and larger, and is already the largest job type for Americans? Robot manufacturers use robots to build their robots... This is the entire point of automation. We are automating the people who watch over the plants, we are automating scientists, even. We are automating every single thing.

>positions to build the auto-servers

But robots already do that. And we are looking to automate the maintenance part of vending machines, entirely. No one is saying that jobs should stick around because of "charity." Jobs should exist if they are the most effective way to get something done. If automation is more effective, then that should take over jobs.

Brain explosion

On September 16 2014 10:53 Gnarly wrote: Jobs should exist if they are the most effective way to get something done. If automation is more effective, then that should take over jobs.

aaaand thats exactly how it works lol

Nobody automates something if manual labor would be more effective.

And also lol @ automated scientists... wtf are you smoking?

can't wait till everything is automated, and we are liberated from our bodies!

Gnarly take some macroeconomics classes and you ll understand how stupid you are...
If society had followed your ways, we d probably live in the stone age wow. How the fuck are you so ignorant

Like.. you have no basic understandings of unemployment and why is it healthy to have it and how does it lead to progress
I bet you don't even understand why am i even talking about unemployment

On September 16 2014 12:47 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On September 16 2014 10:53 Gnarly wrote: Jobs should exist if they are the most effective way to get something done. If automation is more effective, then that should take over jobs. aaaand thats exactly how it works lol Nobody automates something if manual labor would be more effective. And also lol @ automated scientists... wtf are you smoking?

http://www.cs.bris.ac.uk/publications/Papers/2001073.pdf

Literally the first result for automated scientific theory.

On September 16 2014 16:33 Spitfiree wrote: Gnarly take some macroeconomics classes and you ll understand how stupid you are... If society had followed your ways, we d probably live in the stone age wow. How the fuck are you so ignorant Like.. you have no basic understandings of unemployment and why is it healthy to have it and how does it lead to progress I bet you don't even understand why am i even talking about unemployment

Unemployment allows for mobility in the work force, and currently, the best % is around 5%. Too much, and not enough people are working. Too little, and there aren't enough jobs. Basic stuff you learn in high school economics.

Do you even know the statistics for unemployment per demographic? Do you even know which groups have been okay since 08 and which groups are still struggling? Like how the dollar is doomed (oh wait, it's been going up and up and up lately) and how gold is going to 10k and bitcoins are going to 100k, y'all can buy up that stuff or short, but I'll be laughing because you're following articles written by, well, ultimately, the people you're buying from.

BUT MUH BUFFET, HE BOUGHTEDED GOLDED WHEN IT WAS AT 1.8K
and look what happened after he said that.

>actually thinking gold's value is even over $400

On September 16 2014 19:29 Gnarly wrote: Show nested quote + On September 16 2014 12:47 Baalim wrote:   On September 16 2014 10:53 Gnarly wrote: Jobs should exist if they are the most effective way to get something done. If automation is more effective, then that should take over jobs. aaaand thats exactly how it works lol Nobody automates something if manual labor would be more effective. And also lol @ automated scientists... wtf are you smoking? http://www.cs.bris.ac.uk/publications/Papers/2001073.pdf Literally the first result for automated scientific theory.

Did you even read that link? yeah because automating some of the mindless processes of experimentation means we have robot scientits lol.

Also wtf does gold have to do with anything, btw nice dodge on the rest of my post

Why do you think companies want to automate their production? to fuck with people? lol its obviously more efficient and cheap, its a natural process and it has been happening for over nearly 200 years and in those 2 centuries there has been idiots claiming that people are loosing their jobs, yeah everything was hand made back in the day, and now it isnt and there isnt a job crisis, there spots for shoe makers closed and spots to many other more advanced jobs open every fucking day, its part of our civilization, and this process is not only a by product of advancement, its a necessity for it.

Thinking corporations should give money away for free so people can buy their shit with the money they just gave away is retarded and lacks the slightest understanding of economics, hey ill give you $5 bucks so you can buy my $5 product... im going to get rich! lol nice business model there.

^at some point the intellence of an average potencial worker becomes a barrier, not a problem for next few decades thou

On September 17 2014 06:18 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On September 16 2014 19:29 Gnarly wrote:   On September 16 2014 12:47 Baalim wrote:   On September 16 2014 10:53 Gnarly wrote: Jobs should exist if they are the most effective way to get something done. If automation is more effective, then that should take over jobs. aaaand thats exactly how it works lol Nobody automates something if manual labor would be more effective. And also lol @ automated scientists... wtf are you smoking? http://www.cs.bris.ac.uk/publications/Papers/2001073.pdf Literally the first result for automated scientific theory. Did you even read that link? yeah because automating some of the mindless processes of experimentation means we have robot scientits lol. Also wtf does gold have to do with anything, btw nice dodge on the rest of my post Why do you think companies want to automate their production? to fuck with people? lol its obviously more efficient and cheap, its a natural process and it has been happening for over nearly 200 years and in those 2 centuries there has been idiots claiming that people are loosing their jobs, yeah everything was hand made back in the day, and now it isnt and there isnt a job crisis, there spots for shoe makers closed and spots to many other more advanced jobs open every fucking day, its part of our civilization, and this process is not only a by product of advancement, its a necessity for it. Thinking corporations should give money away for free so people can buy their shit with the money they just gave away is retarded and lacks the slightest understanding of economics, hey ill give you $5 bucks so you can buy my $5 product... im going to get rich! lol nice business model there.

but there is a job crisis. when you look at specific demographics, you'll see this, but I'm sure you know all about that, right?

more advanced jobs aren't really opening up every day. when not even a single person I've known either from high school or from the many different colleges I've partied at has an actual fucking career, I'd be more inclined to say that there are more and more service jobs opening up every day, not engineering or whatever.

when the labor participation rate keeps falling, does that really mean jobs that are automated are being replaced? if so, wouldn't the rate stay the same?

think of it like this: there are three companies that pool money together to give to people. they give this money and the people start buying things. company A has had a really good week, B has had a medium week, and C had a shit week. C won't be able to put in as much money the next time, while A will be able to put in more. Eventually, company C will go under because they don't get enough business. Company A AND B just got richer.

On September 17 2014 12:02 Gnarly wrote: Show nested quote + On September 17 2014 06:18 Baalim wrote:   On September 16 2014 19:29 Gnarly wrote:   On September 16 2014 12:47 Baalim wrote:   On September 16 2014 10:53 Gnarly wrote: Jobs should exist if they are the most effective way to get something done. If automation is more effective, then that should take over jobs. aaaand thats exactly how it works lol Nobody automates something if manual labor would be more effective. And also lol @ automated scientists... wtf are you smoking? http://www.cs.bris.ac.uk/publications/Papers/2001073.pdf Literally the first result for automated scientific theory. Did you even read that link? yeah because automating some of the mindless processes of experimentation means we have robot scientits lol. Also wtf does gold have to do with anything, btw nice dodge on the rest of my post Why do you think companies want to automate their production? to fuck with people? lol its obviously more efficient and cheap, its a natural process and it has been happening for over nearly 200 years and in those 2 centuries there has been idiots claiming that people are loosing their jobs, yeah everything was hand made back in the day, and now it isnt and there isnt a job crisis, there spots for shoe makers closed and spots to many other more advanced jobs open every fucking day, its part of our civilization, and this process is not only a by product of advancement, its a necessity for it. Thinking corporations should give money away for free so people can buy their shit with the money they just gave away is retarded and lacks the slightest understanding of economics, hey ill give you $5 bucks so you can buy my $5 product... im going to get rich! lol nice business model there. but there is a job crisis. when you look at specific demographics, you'll see this, but I'm sure you know all about that, right? more advanced jobs aren't really opening up every day. when not even a single person I've known either from high school or from the many different colleges I've partied at has an actual fucking career, I'd be more inclined to say that there are more and more service jobs opening up every day, not engineering or whatever. when the labor participation rate keeps falling, does that really mean jobs that are automated are being replaced? if so, wouldn't the rate stay the same? think of it like this: there are three companies that pool money together to give to people. they give this money and the people start buying things. company A has had a really good week, B has had a medium week, and C had a shit week. C won't be able to put in as much money the next time, while A will be able to put in more. Eventually, company C will go under because they don't get enough business. Company A AND B just got richer.

No, there is not a world job crisis, if theres a particular job crisis in a country its because of its economy not because of the natural advancement in jobs.

Well maybe you need to hang out with a smarter crowd (maybe something will stick), the vast majority of my friends have degrees, many masters and a couple doctorates actually im one of the very few who doesnt lol

You say more sevice jobs are opening and less engineering jobs are available which is directly contrary to the belief that everything is getting automated

I cant believe you are insisting on that dumb idea... if you give $1000 to a person, and that person buys from your store a $1000 TV you didnt sell shit... you gave away a free TV for fucks sake

On September 17 2014 12:44 Baalim wrote: if you give $1000 to a person, and that person buys from your store a $1000 TV you didnt sell shit... you gave away a free TV for fucks sake

ding ding ding



I've often thought that gnarly's whole purpose is a massive trolling adventure. This thread strengthens that theory.

I say give Baal his forum rights back :D

also gnarly good job on googling unemployment, try googling structural & frictional unemployment now since its what i was talking about, except you couldn't have known that since you re pretty clueless, its what automation of production leads to, something pretty basic, anyone who's spent more than 10hrs on macroeconomics knows this shit


cba replying about other stuff you wrote since its not worth my time spent/entertainment level ratio

this has been a pretty epic derail

back on topic:

yeah U.S. media is terrible, and yeah PC faux outrage b.s. is annoying

I think the media should be held accountable for the rioting in Ferguson. Doubly so when they inevitably incite more outrage when this cop isn't even indicted by the grand jury.

People who aren't from America or don't realize how wide the right to self-defense is in most U.S. states probably find it shocking; but in a case where there is little evidence outside of questionable eye witness accounts and a shooter who doesn't need to justify why he acquired a weapon (cause he has to carry one for his job) it's going to be difficult if not impossible to get a conviction in court. The presumption of innocence means that if you say you felt threatened and were attacked you can legally kill the person attacking you. It's up to the courts to prove you were not in danger.

I don't know if the cop was out of line or not, and we'll probably never know, but unless some video of the actual shooting pops up I don't see how he wouldn't beat the charge anyways. People with good lawyers (which this cop would 100% have) have gotten off on murders with a whole lot more evidence than what exists in this case.

Anyways, I'll cut this already too long post short, but anyone with half a brain in the media already knows that there's not a really strong case against this cop. By keeping it in the media though they get to extend the story by further covering the outrage they themselves generated based on their reporting. In the eyes of the media the riots were best case scenario, gives them more of a "story" to cover. It's pretty dangerous and something I think the media as a whole has been pursuing more aggressively in the past few years.

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And to people who say "ya right, if this was Joe Citizen who shot him and said he felt threatened he'd be in prison for life!!!"

That may actually be true, but not explicitly because of corruption or police favoritism in the courts. Part of claiming self defense is explaining or justifying the acquisition of a weapon and providing for why you felt threatened. Both of these are pretty softball explanations for a cop.

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/201...ck-pre-dawn-raid-capital-murder.shtml

Yeah, it's Texas which has some of the most lenient self-defense laws in the U.S., but here's one example of a citizen shooting a cop who failed to identify himself as an officer and a grand jury declining to indict considering it a case of self-defense.

Agree on media being held accountable. They never will be though as they have many powerful defenses and I think most people would be apathetic about it anyway. News corporations can pretty much spin anything they want to get your attention/outrage/etc. It would be sweet if people turned on the media instead of shop owners!

I think everyone has the right to self defense and that's one of the things America has right. The eyewitness accounts were pretty sketchy IMO and I totally side with the cop.

If you swapped the cop with a civilian (concealed carry holder) who was assaulted inside of his car then I doubt he would exit the vehicle. But If he did and the guy charged at him after already trying to take his weapon and having beaten him, you think he needs more to claim self defense? As far as non concealed carry permit holders go, I thought that the right of self defense would still apply but they may take an additional charge for carrying the weapon illegally. That said, if they're inside their car you could argue they're just on their way to a gun range but obviously less so if they exit the vehicle and pursue him.

On September 17 2014 12:44 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On September 17 2014 12:02 Gnarly wrote:   On September 17 2014 06:18 Baalim wrote:   On September 16 2014 19:29 Gnarly wrote:   On September 16 2014 12:47 Baalim wrote:   On September 16 2014 10:53 Gnarly wrote: Jobs should exist if they are the most effective way to get something done. If automation is more effective, then that should take over jobs. aaaand thats exactly how it works lol Nobody automates something if manual labor would be more effective. And also lol @ automated scientists... wtf are you smoking? http://www.cs.bris.ac.uk/publications/Papers/2001073.pdf Literally the first result for automated scientific theory. Did you even read that link? yeah because automating some of the mindless processes of experimentation means we have robot scientits lol. Also wtf does gold have to do with anything, btw nice dodge on the rest of my post Why do you think companies want to automate their production? to fuck with people? lol its obviously more efficient and cheap, its a natural process and it has been happening for over nearly 200 years and in those 2 centuries there has been idiots claiming that people are loosing their jobs, yeah everything was hand made back in the day, and now it isnt and there isnt a job crisis, there spots for shoe makers closed and spots to many other more advanced jobs open every fucking day, its part of our civilization, and this process is not only a by product of advancement, its a necessity for it. Thinking corporations should give money away for free so people can buy their shit with the money they just gave away is retarded and lacks the slightest understanding of economics, hey ill give you $5 bucks so you can buy my $5 product... im going to get rich! lol nice business model there. but there is a job crisis. when you look at specific demographics, you'll see this, but I'm sure you know all about that, right? more advanced jobs aren't really opening up every day. when not even a single person I've known either from high school or from the many different colleges I've partied at has an actual fucking career, I'd be more inclined to say that there are more and more service jobs opening up every day, not engineering or whatever. when the labor participation rate keeps falling, does that really mean jobs that are automated are being replaced? if so, wouldn't the rate stay the same? think of it like this: there are three companies that pool money together to give to people. they give this money and the people start buying things. company A has had a really good week, B has had a medium week, and C had a shit week. C won't be able to put in as much money the next time, while A will be able to put in more. Eventually, company C will go under because they don't get enough business. Company A AND B just got richer. No, there is not a world job crisis, if theres a particular job crisis in a country its because of its economy not because of the natural advancement in jobs. Well maybe you need to hang out with a smarter crowd (maybe something will stick), the vast majority of my friends have degrees, many masters and a couple doctorates actually im one of the very few who doesnt lol You say more sevice jobs are opening and less engineering jobs are available which is directly contrary to the belief that everything is getting automated I cant believe you are insisting on that dumb idea... if you give $1000 to a person, and that person buys from your store a $1000 TV you didnt sell shit... you gave away a free TV for fucks sake

>world job crisis

I'm talking about America, here. I know, it's really easy to forget that America isn't the center of this planet but... actually, it is.

The people I hang out own businesses.

Again, you really need to look at certain statistics. Active participation labor rate, full employment v half employment, different age, gender, and race groups. Once you actually look into this stuff, instead of spouting non-researched opinions, then you'll understand what's been going on.

It seems you have extremely poor reading comprehension. I'm not saying there is only going to be one company giving money away. What I'm saying is that COMPANIES, plural, and if you need a link explain the difference between plurality and singularity, I'll be happy to oblige, will be pooling their money. Again, refer to my previous example with company A, B, and C.

On September 17 2014 21:30 ggplz wrote: Agree on media being held accountable. They never will be though as they have many powerful defenses and I think most people would be apathetic about it anyway. News corporations can pretty much spin anything they want to get your attention/outrage/etc. It would be sweet if people turned on the media instead of shop owners! I think everyone has the right to self defense and that's one of the things America has right. The eyewitness accounts were pretty sketchy IMO and I totally side with the cop. If you swapped the cop with a civilian (concealed carry holder) who was assaulted inside of his car then I doubt he would exit the vehicle. But If he did and the guy charged at him after already trying to take his weapon and having beaten him, you think he needs more to claim self defense? As far as non concealed carry permit holders go, I thought that the right of self defense would still apply but they may take an additional charge for carrying the weapon illegally. That said, if they're inside their car you could argue they're just on their way to a gun range but obviously less so if they exit the vehicle and pursue him.

>ever once believe all the protesters are actual angry citizens and not having batches of undercover agents.

wtf @ >?

>occupy agents

On September 16 2014 02:39 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On September 15 2014 14:07 Gnarly wrote: IM TALKING ABOUT THE INCREASED AUTOMATION WE ARE SEEING IN THE WORKFORCE LOL LIKE OPEN YOUR EYES AND LOOK AT THE COMPUTER SCREEN DON'T TURN 360 DEGREES AND WALK AWAY LITERALLY ON THIS PAGE LOL 360 degrees? not sure if trolling or just increasingly stupid with each post.

maybe by 360 degrees he means he's baked

On September 17 2014 22:40 Gnarly wrote: It seems you have extremely poor reading comprehension. I'm not saying there is only going to be one company giving money away. What I'm saying is that COMPANIES, plural, and if you need a link explain the difference between plurality and singularity, I'll be happy to oblige, will be pooling their money. Again, refer to my previous example with company A, B, and C.

It doesnt matter if its one or one million companies, if you give money away so they can purchase something from you with that money you didnt sell shit, you gave that shit free you retard.

>what is opportunity cost

I'm guessing you forgot there is no such thing as a free lunch.

/facepalm

yeah tell us, what is opportunity cost of giving away $1000

wow...

the costs incurred by the customer affects the companies. very simple here, guys.

Instead of spending $1,000 at Company A, everyone spends their $1,000 at Company B. This opportunity cost, not shopping at Company A, drains Company A of money, while flooding Company B with money. Company A wouldn't be able to give any more money away, because they can't afford to, which means they can't sell anymore products, because they can't afford to, which means they are out of business. See how capitalism and the free market persist?

hahahaahahahhahahah

$1000 - $1000 = 0

this is math

Let's say there were four companies in the world. A, B, C, and D. Each of them gives each person $250, and there's only ten people on the planet. So, that means there is $10,000 in circulation. That means each company is giving out $2,500. Now, when the consumers go to shop, they have free choice where to shop. Because of this, there is a thing called opportunity cost, which means that when one shops at A, they missed out on shopping at B, C, and D. This means that A gets the money, while B, C, and D doesn't. If this cost is incurred by all ten people, then that means only A gets any money back, and that they even get extra money, which is a result from the other companies losing their share of the pool.

If you think that somehow, because someone shopped at A, instead of B, C, and D, that this means that all companies get the same amount of money, you're absolutely fucking retarded and should jump off of a cliff.

they understood earlier buddy they're just trolling you. company D should donate money to its customers who aren't really its customers because they're busy shopping at company A giving company A more money so company D goes out of business, it makes perfect sense, you must be timothy geithner

ok cool you understand simple opportunity cost, but your ideas are wtf rofl

You do realize though...

Why the hell would a company give money away for free? I'll make a simple example for you.

Company A, B, C, D are in the market. There are 10 people in the world, each company gives each person $250. $10,000 is thus in circulation.

The 10 people prefer company A, and spend all their money there.

Companies B, C, D go out of business.

Company A is left. This means there is 1 company left in the world.

Why the fuck would company A give out money to the people when they are just going to buy their stuff? Company A is now a charity. They can't make money, they go out of business.

Also why the fuck would all 4 companies gamble just to see who lasts longest and then dies out? Why doesn't company B say "shit, let's not give any money and just sell our stuff, and keep the $2500 for ourselves?"

On September 19 2014 08:34 Santafairy wrote: they understood earlier buddy they're just trolling you. company D should donate money to its customers who aren't really its customers because they're busy shopping at company A giving company A more money so company D goes out of business, it makes perfect sense, you must be timothy geithner

i laughed so hard i started crying :D

sounds like gnarly s describing socialism where companies ABCD are the government and opportunity costs are the concentration camps