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On September 14 2014 03:50 dogmeat wrote: Show nested quote + On September 13 2014 10:49 VanDerMeyde wrote: whats brilliant about that jailtime should be punisment, not vacation with free accomodation, gym, sauna, tv, internet and 3 hot meals a day

Why ? What do you think will happen to these people when they get out some day from american torture prisons ? There are other factors involved than just punishment. If punishment will acctually just lead to more criminality, more rapes, more murders etc is it worth it ? So that YOU can feel justice ?

And where do they get internet and sauna ?

On September 14 2014 05:55 awesomeguy wrote: Well who knows, maybe cutting niggers limbs off is the answer to Americas crime problem.

was talking in general, and such laws should be applied to any fkin country on earth, to give a fkin lesson, the worst thing to do is to give fkin fine, or give so called jail time in submission, no lesson learned and trust me i know what I am talking about. You will see what is going on when it will touch people closest to you, when some dumb fuck will do the same thing, because someone decided that he should receive another chance, then you will cry, but it will be to fkin late. You commit a crime, you get as hard punishment you can get simple as that

On September 14 2014 07:06 VanDerMeyde wrote: Show nested quote + On September 14 2014 03:50 dogmeat wrote:   On September 13 2014 10:49 VanDerMeyde wrote: whats brilliant about that jailtime should be punisment, not vacation with free accomodation, gym, sauna, tv, internet and 3 hot meals a day Why ? What do you think will happen to these people when they get out some day from american torture prisons ? There are other factors involved than just punishment. If punishment will acctually just lead to more criminality, more rapes, more murders etc is it worth it ? So that YOU can feel justice ? And where do they get internet and sauna ?

In Norway? :D

http://content.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,1989083_2137368,00.html

There are better ways to spend the prisoners time than punishment... For the good of society. When people go to prison they should learn responsibility, getting them into a normal work routine 8-4, rehabilitation, build their confidence and self-respect.

Bastøy prison is for prisoners that proved themself first in other normal facilities... I strongly believe every prison should be like Bastøy and Halden.... But there are definitly other prison facilities in Norway that are not as good and modern as Halden. Now you can also risk to be sent to Dutch prisons... if you are a foreigner and is supposed to be banned from Norway anyway at least...

The results are just amazing. Just compare the recidivism rate US vs Norway for example.

On September 14 2014 07:40 suited_mess wrote: Show nested quote + On September 14 2014 05:55 awesomeguy wrote: Well who knows, maybe cutting niggers limbs off is the answer to Americas crime problem. was talking in general, and such laws should be applied to any fkin country on earth, to give a fkin lesson, the worst thing to do is to give fkin fine, or give so called jail time in submission, no lesson learned and trust me i know what I am talking about. You will see what is going on when it will touch people closest to you, when some dumb fuck will do the same thing, because someone decided that he should receive another chance, then you will cry, but it will be to fkin late. You commit a crime, you get as hard punishment you can get simple as that

you just sound like a sadist

On September 14 2014 03:50 dogmeat wrote: Show nested quote + On September 13 2014 10:49 VanDerMeyde wrote: whats brilliant about that jailtime should be punisment, not vacation with free accomodation, gym, sauna, tv, internet and 3 hot meals a day

it shouldn't be just punishment. That is a shallow, poisonous and callous world view. Everyone should care for prisoners, even if they do not care back. There is no reason to punish for the sake of vengeance. It is sadistic and selfish. I'm sure those vengeful moral values are ones which you may share with some of the prisoners themselves. And that those values are what got them in prison in the first place. But of course, a lot of people are in prison for much less than that. A lot become prisoners simply because someone found personal drugs in their pocket. Perhaps one day you will take an interest in simple ethical truths that a ten year old could understand.

On September 13 2014 23:35 Gnarly wrote: Show nested quote + On September 13 2014 22:39 casinocasino wrote: The law needs to make adjustments to increased rate of crime. In regards to the post Tom made, that's an absurd opinion to have and the reason their is a justice system in civilized countries that protects citizens from exactly that, corruption. Here in St. Martin they have had 100 armed robberies this year already, 25 x more then the average just a few years ago. while the punishment of 9 months in prison seems appropriate, the rate of conviction is low, along with the increased levels of poverty its causing young men to take risks they believe to be worth the consequences. Also, the salary of police officers is really low. I am not sure what the solution could be to the increased level of crime, I think perhaps increasing the risk will deter some criminals, but what can they do if they are on the brink of survival, with no food to eat, and no real jobs to pay the bills? give them universal basic income...

Universal basic income huh? you mean give every resident the same pay regardless of the work they do? or just give away free income?

or do you mean minimum wage?
Because they already have a minimum wage standard in almost every country now, including St. Martin. its $900 a month here, and its really low in comparison to the prices. A police officer makes 1200 a month here, that's not enough incentive for them to risk their life against increasing rates of violent crime. Also the problem is not really with the minimum wage but the lack of work and the demand of tourists and how these crimes reflect on the tourism industry here.

i mean giving money to people for no work other than to generate demand.

every time it's been "tested" it has shown to increase the quality of life over almost every single factor of life by a good margin. in fact, Canada was the first country to test it out, I think, in the 90s. For a city, they did it for five years, I think?

but, on the subject of punishment and the prison system: there should be pretty much two prisons: one where you can be rehabilitated, not simply just punished (ie: working fish farms or dog training or welding or something); and the other one to punish those that can't be rehabilitated.

i think rehabilitation is a key word that hasn't been mentioned yet in this thread?

On September 14 2014 11:07 Gnarly wrote: i mean giving money to people for no work other than to generate demand. every time it's been "tested" it has shown to increase the quality of life over almost every single factor of life by a good margin. in fact, Canada was the first country to test it out, I think, in the 90s. For a city, they did it for five years, I think?

only tested on small groups. money = work, sure you can just print money but that will only cause inflation and you are back whre you started. geez

im not saying for the federal government to personally do it, but the corporations.

that's called paying taxes and a welfare system.

that does not solve anything

he doesnt mean welfare system, he means unconditional basic income, stupid idea some leftist retards who doesnt even understand the very basic economic principles are promoting

you all just watched Shawshank Redemption to many fkin times! Rehabilitation? How many times idiots were going out, and they did the very same thing after day or two and went back to fkin prison, You will say - good , it works as they went back to prison. I say talk to the mother of raped child, tell that to the girl who now has the face in scares from fkin ear to ear, tell that to mom of two kids that were killed by drink & drive fkin idiot. World is pretty small, sadist ? neeee i dont think so, but if there is no place for all of us, we should exterminate these fucks that are not able to live among us. And I love the most voice from Norway hahah, you know what Your love and dont giving a fuck gave? Breivik and over 80 kids or something killed in one day. And this idiot received the highest penealty - 21 years in jail. Should be killed at the fkin very beginning as a lesson. But no - now this dumb fuck can complain that he has only two games on his playstation, and no access to internet - are You fkin joking?!

your anecdote is not a way to run a civilization... talk to the guy who had his door kicked down in an armed DEA raid because the government thought he was a junkie and dealer... talk to the guy who got shot and killed while his face was against the ground because the cop thought he was holding his stun gun... talk to the guy who was on his motorcycle and then got his door kicked in and computers seized because he was filming the meatheaded cop with a gopro camera at the time, and then charged with wiretapping charges by a government that collects without warrant or probable cause every communication that happens on the internet in the name of national security... talk to the guy who got his door kicked in by a DEA raid because an overfunded police force with no hobbies was flying a helicopter around and saw a wild cannabis plant on the edge of his huge property... talk to the people who the state spends hundreds of millions of dollars on to pursue capital punishment and then executes a fucking innocent person... talk to the guy who is spending life in prison for stealing video tapes under california's 3 strikes rule... talk to people who were wrongly convicted of infant abuse because supposedly scientific doctors testified there was no other cause for shaken baby syndrome

if you talk to a victim of crime probably the deepest thing in their heart would be to wish there were less crime. not to fucking cut people's hands off for stealing. i don't know if even medieval people didn't cut hands off because it makes it nearly impossible to contribute to society. seriously muslim countries are your idol? where the good guys hang people for apostasy or being gay? and the bad guys machinegun cars at random that you can see on vimeo because of political disagreements?

what is your fetish with using laws that are written by humans to dehumanize people? like 10% of black men in america in jail, how many of them because of petty shit like marijuana, are in jail you think that's helping things?

but they all commited a crime, and could not keep up with the laws and rules arent they? so what you are winning about? hahaha omg, lots of lols, from a guy who is living next door to a lunatic, if you are so righteous in Korea why dont you help your own brothers in northern part tell me? 10% in jails are black? hahaha where you have your info from :D 50s and 60 s? hahaha, what i think is if you do not obey the fkin law, you are getting what You deserved. Guy on the ground wasnt kept there for nothing right? So the guy killed by DEA wasnt junkie and the dealer, and had nothing to do with it? DEA top narcotic police force invaded a family house, of a guy who had fkin dog, backyard and tree on it? you are lunatic. Same as Your neighbour mate

I haven't started reading it yet, but it was recommended by Bill Gates when he did his AMA. It's mainly about human's violence throughout our existence. If it fascinated a man like Gates, you should probably read it suited_mess and if that doesn't change your mind, don't know what will. However your ideas are beyond terrible, you don't see how you're part of the problem, the second a man acts on hatred he stars a never ending cycle of violence until someone that actually uses his head decides to swallow it all up. I don't understand how can people NOT see that, its the most obvious thing ever.

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Actually this is exactly why Japan's overall state of mentality is decades ahead of its time. Those are values they grow up with. Thats their "propaganda" as the values are forced in basically everything from newspappers to animes and shit. Its why they are 10000 times more efficient in anything than other nations. Its also why it took them about 30s to find volunteers( all of which were old) to go and suicide to save the new generation

and the worst part is, that is nothing more that being politically correct, talking shit like that etc. omg the smoked marijuana, why they are in jail - simple rule - do not fkin do that!!