UFC FN 50: Souza vs. Mousasi

Date: Friday, September 5th
Preliminary Card (Fox Sports 1): 18:00 LP.net / 4pm PST / 7pm EST
Main Card (Fox Sports 1): 21:00 LP.net / 7pm PST / 10pm EST
Live Streams: http://www.vipbox.tv (All MMA events are listed under the UFC button. Press the UFC button and you'll see the event in the list.)





Main Card (Fox Sports 1)

Ronaldo Souza (20-3) vs. Gegard Mousasi (35-4-2) (Middleweight)
Alistair Overeem (37-13) vs. Ben Rothwell (33-9) (Heavyweight)
Matt Mitrione (7-3) vs. Derrick Lewis (11-2) (Heavyweight)
Joe Lauzon (23-9) vs. Michael Chiesa (11-1) (Lightweight)

Preliminary Card (Fox Sports 1)

Nik Lentz (25-6-2) vs. Charles Oliveira (18-4) (Featherweight)
John Moraga (14-3) vs. Justin Scoggins (9-1) (Flyweight)
Al Iaquinta (8-3-1) vs. Rodrigo Damm (12-7) (Lightweight)
Rafael Natal (17-6-1) vs. Chris Camozzi (19-8) (Middleweight)
Tateki Matsuda (10-5) vs. Chris Beal (9-0) (Bantamweight)
Sean Soriano (8-1) vs. Chas Skelly (12-1) (Featherweight)

Other

- This event marks the first time the Ultimate Fighting Championship and Bellator MMA have had live shows (UFC Fight Night 50 vs. Bellator 123) go against each other. Additionally, both are being held in the same state in venues located within miles of each other.
- Initially, bantamweight bouts between Dustin Kimura vs. Ian Entwistle and Chris Beal vs. Rob Font were slated for the event. However, Entwistle and Font each pulled out of the bouts citing injuries. Subsequently, Kimura was briefly rescheduled to face Beal. In turn, Kimura also pulled out of the bout and was replaced by Tateki Matsuda.
- Andre Fili was expected to face Sean Soriano at the event. However, Fili was forced from the bout with an injury and replaced by Chas Skelly.

First thoughts:

• Mousasi > Souza
• Overeem > Rothwell
• Lewis > Mitrione (Mitrione can win if he he doesn't stand and trade. Lewis hits harder and has better TDD. Mitrione is the better pure boxer and has better movement.)
• Chiesa > Lauzon
• Oliveira > Lentz
• Moraga vs. Scoggins (dunno yet, since Scoggins less impressive in his last match when he he wasn't the superior grappler.)
• Iaquinta > Damm
• Natal > Camozzi (It will probably be close, but Natal usually fights better versus lesser opponents like Camozzi.)
• Beal > Matsuda (3rd opponent change for Beal.)
• Soriano vs. Skelly (dunno yet, tough to call.)

Wtf this actually a very good card.

HOLD!!!

This card has some JUICY lines imo! Already placed.

Card: Date: Placed: Pick: Type: Amount: Line:
UFC FN 50 5 Sep 14 22 Aug 14 Mousasi > Souza SU $50.00 270
UFC FN 50 5 Sep 14 22 Aug 14 Mousasi via Decision SU $40.00 530
UFC FN 50 5 Sep 14 31 Aug 14 Oliveria > Lentz SU $20.00 -145
UFC FN 50 5 Sep 14 31 Aug 14 Scoggins > Moraga SU $100.00 -245
UFC FN 50 5 Sep 14 31 Aug 14 Lewis > Mitrione SU $30.00 -130
UFC FN 50 5 Sep 14 31 Aug 14 Chiesa > Lauzon SU $50.00 -145
UFC FN 50 5 Sep 14 31 Aug 14 Scoggins + Lewis + Chiesa PL $30.00 320
UFC FN 50 5 Sep 14 1 Sep 14 Scoggins + Iaquinta + Chiesa PL $30.00 200

This card is stacked for a FN. I can't believe the line on Mousasi v Souza, I got it when Gegard was still at +270 and +530 via decision (which it probably will be if he wins)

Not touching the Overeem fight, seems about right with the line... I think Chiesa is gonna smoke Lauzon and it sucks because he is my favorite fighter

Oliveria v Lentz is a great rematch (1st fight was a NC), not too confident but small bet on Charles, he's so damn slick.

Scoggins burned me last time vs Ortiz but I'm still all in on him as a prospect and I think he's gonna light Moraga up and will have a better gameplan than last time.

Lewis is going to knock Mittrione's head off.

I doubt Iaquinta falls into another retarded submission and that's Damm's only out.

On September 01 2014 16:54 soberstone wrote: Not touching the Overeem fight, seems about right with the line...

betting Overeeem is really bad overall imo, he s the most unpredictable HW

I'm pretty confused about the line for Mousasi vs Souza and there's not many times I can clearly say that. If I had to have guessed without looking, I would have pegged it as close to a toss up fight as possible. Maybe there's an argument that Mousasi is someone that peaked too early in his career but if you take out the Machida fight (which I think you can since Machida will make tons of people look not very good or boring), there doesn't seem to be anything for me to say he should be anything close to a 3 to 1 dog to anyone in the division besides Weidman and Machida. I'm also not even considering their first fight which Mousasi won since that was like 6 years ago which is an eternity in MMA. I guess Jacare has looked pretty impressive recently but still. What the deal.

Also think there's a high probability that Mitrione gets his head blasted off the canvas. But will really be rooting for him. I think I'm one of the very few that actually really likes Mitrione

He got a pretty raw deal either way through nobody's fault. He would've gotten a lot more credit from the public for a victory over Struve as opposed to Lewis. But Struve collapses, Matt still wants to fight asap because he was in camp, and gets assigned to fight someone who is extremely dangerous but is still unknown to the public and therefore won't get as much of a boost from a possible win. All with the possibility of getting brutally KO'd getting upped quite a bit

Overeem $2900 at -385 yay. Could get a freeroll already. That line came out so terribly off I bet it at -380, -385, and -395 for the max.

Weird thing about Souza line on top of all of it is that he couldn't even finish Carmont and had him in awful positions a great many times. I guess it is impressive that he got someone as strong as Carmont down and was able to transition on him so much, but all in all I would have liked to see a finish if I was going to set him as a 2:1 fav over Gegard, let alone 3.25:1. His KO of Okami was impressive but Yushin's chin is not the greatest....

Additionally, Gegard's td defense vs Munoz was unreal compared to his earlier career, and in listening to interviews, him talking about just continuing to strive in a huge way with the wrestling and working on his distance control and boxing is literally the perfect thing to hear for me as a guy betting on him. He fully acknowledges that this fight comes down to being able to keep it standing for the majority of it, and he's never been a slouch in the Jitz department anyway and has an amazing chin, I feel awesome about this bet.

Unfortunately in a vacuum it's still probably a pickem so it'll be a painful loss if it's like a close decision, and I do expect this to go the full 5.

On September 01 2014 18:05 Nazgul wrote: Overeem $2900 at -385 yay. Could get a freeroll already. That line came out so terribly off I bet it at -380, -385, and -395 for the max.

I never saw the line at that, definitely would've taken those odds. If Big Ben can somehow land clean even one time though Overeem could be in trouble, hence Ben ITD is practically the same as him SU. I highly doubt he will though, Overeem being smaller and quicker is very good for him in this fight.....

than again, could that mean he is coming off some 'supplements'?

Finally a very nice card, I am definitely betting on Mousasi at + 250.

Other bets I am thinking:

- Oliveira by submission
- Overeem by KO
- Chris Beal in a parlay maybe

On September 01 2014 17:34 iakim322 wrote: I'm pretty confused about the line for Mousasi vs Souza and there's not many times I can clearly say that. If I had to have guessed without looking, I would have pegged it as close to a toss up fight as possible. Maybe there's an argument that Mousasi is someone that peaked too early in his career but if you take out the Machida fight (which I think you can since Machida will make tons of people look not very good or boring), there doesn't seem to be anything for me to say he should be anything close to a 3 to 1 dog to anyone in the division besides Weidman and Machida. I'm also not even considering their first fight which Mousasi won since that was like 6 years ago which is an eternity in MMA. I guess Jacare has looked pretty impressive recently but still. What the deal.

Wrestling. Jacare has some of the best in the top 10 and Mousasi has the worst. So most people feel Jacare should be able to out wrestle him to a decision the majority of the time. And while Mousasi's stand up is very technical and good, I don't think he's really rocked/hurt many people standing other than Jardine who everyone and their mom was KOing at the time and some random japanese can. Almost all of his finishes come on the ground via submission and GnP tko. The ground is Jacare's world.

Jacare probably doesn't deserve to be 3-1, but he's definitely a favorite in my book. Probably -210ish is where he should be.

On September 01 2014 19:06 Stim_Abuser wrote: Show nested quote + On September 01 2014 17:34 iakim322 wrote: I'm pretty confused about the line for Mousasi vs Souza and there's not many times I can clearly say that. If I had to have guessed without looking, I would have pegged it as close to a toss up fight as possible. Maybe there's an argument that Mousasi is someone that peaked too early in his career but if you take out the Machida fight (which I think you can since Machida will make tons of people look not very good or boring), there doesn't seem to be anything for me to say he should be anything close to a 3 to 1 dog to anyone in the division besides Weidman and Machida. I'm also not even considering their first fight which Mousasi won since that was like 6 years ago which is an eternity in MMA. I guess Jacare has looked pretty impressive recently but still. What the deal. Wrestling. Jacare has some of the best in the top 10 and Mousasi has the worst. So most people feel Jacare should be able to out wrestle him to a decision the majority of the time. And while Mousasi's stand up is very technical and good, I don't think he's really rocked/hurt many people standing other than Jardine who everyone and their mom was KOing at the time and some random japanese can. Almost all of his finishes come on the ground via submission and GnP tko. The ground is Jacare's world. Jacare probably doesn't deserve to be 3-1, but he's definitely a favorite in my book. Probably -210ish is where he should be.

That's a fair assessment, although Munoz got in deep multiple times and Moose's counter-wrestling looked outstanding, nothing like earlier in his career. Will that translate vs Jacare's wrestling? Perhaps not, but I'm def willing to take a shot at it.

If a UFC FN event( guessing XXX number event's promotion are much bigger than Fight Nights ) outweights that Bellator one, they should just give up and let the UFC buy them off or something

Seems like Main Event is the fight for the #1 contender after im guessing Belfort gets a chance to go vs Weidman?

whar overeem jawr?

On September 01 2014 19:38 Spitfiree wrote: If a UFC FN event( guessing XXX number event's promotion are much bigger than Fight Nights ) outweights that Bellator one, they should just give up and let the UFC buy them off or something Seems like Main Event is the fight for the #1 contender after im guessing Belfort gets a chance to go vs Weidman?

If Jacare wins, pretty sure he gets the shot. If Gegard wins, it probably depends on timelines and other variables, but probably isn't a lock.

Belfort v Weidman is already scheduled for Dec 6 and is co-headlined with Pettis v Melendez which is an insane 1-2.

Rockhold is in the mix. He'd probably face Mousasi, if Mousasi beat Jacare. If Jacare beats Mousasi, Rockhold will most likely fight Machida next.

Watching Countdown now apparently Mousasi is training out of a smaller town (Leiden) in The Netherlands where his old friends help him out. That doesn't sound great.

Anybody tempted by -277 on Jacare?

I added a bet on Oliveira -145. Hope Lentz wins though.

Antonio Silva is going to beat Arlovski's face in. Thats all I know.

That sad gorilla won't even get joy out of it. He will just rush for a while then go back to his cage.

On September 02 2014 15:11 Minsk wrote: Antonio Silva is going to beat Arlovski's face in. Thats all I know.

You should know that this isnt the UFC FN 52 @ 13th sept thread, its the UFC FN 50 @ 5th Sept thread :D

Silva vs Arlovski card seems terrible tbh

On September 01 2014 18:05 Nazgul wrote: Overeem $2900 at -385 yay. Could get a freeroll already. That line came out so terribly off I bet it at -380, -385, and -395 for the max.

Overeem is so bad lol... would not touch his side with a ten foot pole.

Will Cosmo be correct once more, tune in

Wow... you can take Rothwell at +440 right now.

On September 02 2014 18:47 JonnyCosMo wrote: Wow... you can take Rothwell at +440 right now.

Would much rather take him by tko when that line comes out, which will probably be around +600. It's already +545 Rothwell ITD. There isn't any other way he wins that is above micro-percentages.

On September 02 2014 07:58 Nazgul wrote: Watching Countdown now apparently Mousasi is training out of a smaller town (Leiden) in The Netherlands where his old friends help him out. That doesn't sound great. Anybody tempted by -277 on Jacare? I added a bet on Oliveira -145. Hope Lentz wins though.

Jacare has overconfidence in his simple powerful striking, Mousasi is hard to hit and very analytical on his feet he will come prepared for those dumb slow hooks, i think it will come down on how fast Jacare realizes he is drawing dead on his feets and try to take it down, but also Mousasi has great TDD and underated BJJ, Jacare has also shown signs of mediocre cardio so if he doesnt manage to win the early rounds he might not be able to catch up, i think this fight will go the distance or Mousasi takes it by KO

On September 02 2014 18:04 JonnyCosMo wrote: Show nested quote + On September 01 2014 18:05 Nazgul wrote: Overeem $2900 at -385 yay. Could get a freeroll already. That line came out so terribly off I bet it at -380, -385, and -395 for the max. Overeem is so bad lol... would not touch his side with a ten foot pole.

Jackson's Reem will probably be amazing, we are going to watch the raise of the next title contender here

You cant teach someone to enjoy getting hit in the face...

they either have it or they dont

On September 03 2014 02:42 JonnyCosMo wrote: You cant teach someone to enjoy getting hit in the face... they either have it or they dont

Overeems 2 recent losses had nothing to do about not liking being hit on the face... they were both related to his cardio some mma striking holes and being careless, he showed a much improved cardio and cautioness against Mir and now he is even more lean and under Greg Jacksons instruction, the man who gave Browne the key to get past Overeems shitty elbows out K1 guard.

And before those 2 lossses he was on a 10 win streak, and in those casualties included the guy who is about to fight for the HW title fwiw

Overeem by decision is at +500, I think that is Ev+ since Overeem is now more cautious and also training with Jackson.

Oliveira by submission at +220 seems like a good bet too.

UFC Fight Night 50 main card moved to 10 PM ET, approximately same time as Bellator 123 main card concludes

"Basically, what this means is that the conclusion of Bellator 123, which features Pat Curran and Patricio Pitbull in the main event, is likely to end at approximately 10 PM ET, so viewers who want to catch both main cards can probably do so. The only real "snag" per se is for those who will flip channels back-and-forth between Bellator's main event and the rather strong UFC prelims."

On September 02 2014 22:26 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On September 02 2014 07:58 Nazgul wrote: Watching Countdown now apparently Mousasi is training out of a smaller town (Leiden) in The Netherlands where his old friends help him out. That doesn't sound great. Anybody tempted by -277 on Jacare? I added a bet on Oliveira -145. Hope Lentz wins though. Jacare has overconfidence in his simple powerful striking, Mousasi is hard to hit and very analytical on his feet he will come prepared for those dumb slow hooks, i think it will come down on how fast Jacare realizes he is drawing dead on his feets and try to take it down, but also Mousasi has great TDD and underated BJJ, Jacare has also shown signs of mediocre cardio so if he doesnt manage to win the early rounds he might not be able to catch up, i think this fight will go the distance or Mousasi takes it by KO

Mousasi has also shown poor cardio when forced to grapple. He also gassed hard vs Mo & Ovince st. Puerxe or w/e. Also I definitely wouldn't say Mousasi has great TDD. I'd say slightly above average.

In the countdown Mousasi mentioned working on his striking a lot and distance, so I think mousasi will try to stay on the outside and out box Jacare. Kind of like he did vs Latiff, but more active since he won't be hurt. Which is actually a pretty smart game plan, but would be boring as fuck.

I feel as if Jacare is the one who has to take the fight, all Mousasi has to do is box from the outside and hide from the predictable overhand and not allowing Jacare to throw the overhand in an attempt to bumrush im and press him against the cage.

I think fighting like he did against Latiffi would be bad, that constant low handed jab to stuff takedowns will only get you knocked out by Jacare, I think he should be more diverse since Jacarely never does the GSP takedown that lets you come in with a punch, he is usually the one transitioning from punching to takedowns and not countering with them.

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I think that Mousasi has a good shot.
I also think that Michael Chiesa is really good.

My final bets:

- Mousasi (+225)
- Soriano (+175)
- Beal + Overeem (-200)
- Oliveira by submission (+210)

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On September 04 2014 11:07 alejandicto wrote: My final bets: - Mousasi (+225) - Soriano (+175) - Beal + Overeem (-200) - Oliveira by submission (+210)

Lentz is really good on the ground and generally extremely hard to finish. That bet on Oliveira seems really far off in value.

Not a believer in Mousasi, but that is a more personal preference. Has all the technical skills in the world, but I don't think he has the training regimen and is too laid back in the fight to go for point victories. I've always found it tough to bet on guys like that.

New semester at school seems difficult already, so I'm gonna scale back my betting for awhile, which will allow me to focus more on school work since I won't be thinking about who to bet on and wasting time doing research.

I only have two bets for this event, which are old bets: Mousasi +294 $20, and Oliveira -145 $20. I'll still be watching all the fights, obv.

My Chiesa bet I'm feeling less confident about now that I hear the media people on the countdown saying Lauzon has the striking advantage big if it stays on the feet. I thought Chiesa would have the power and speed advantage big time on the feet from what I've seen of Lauzon lately (one of my favorite fighters BTW), but maybe I'm wrong? Who's the last decent guy he out struck? Has he ever out-struck anyone decent besides tagging Guillard? These aren't rhetorical questions, I'm serious, I feel like I'm missing something or underestimating my boys standup. I know he is a fucking offensive wizard on the ground.

Edit: After thinking about this even more though, I think the cardio edge is another thing that's pretty big for the younger Chiesa. Most likely they clinch-wrestle for the TD on the feet and while Lauzon may win that battle in the first, I highly doubt he can do so in the 2nd and 3rd. As good as his guard is, I doubt he subs Chiesa past the 1st. That guy is a heavy wet blanket who is not gonna be very sweep-able or fall into a triangle or armbar very easily.

Lauzon is a slow moving target. He eats more punches than he throws.

As for the commentators for UFC events, most of them are just reading off teleprompters the entire time, so I don't believe much of what they say unless they're giving some sort of update. You'd think they'd be knowledgeable about stuff, but that's rarely the case.

185 lbs.: Jacare Souza (185) vs. Gegard Mousasi (186)
265 lbs.: Alistair Overeem (248) vs. Ben Rothwell (264)
265 lbs.: Matt Mitrione (255) vs. Derrick Lewis (264)
155 lbs.: Joe Lauzon (155) vs. Michael Chiesa (156)
Preliminary card:

145 lbs.: Nik Lentz (146) vs. Charles Oliveira (150)*
125 lbs.: John Moraga (126) vs. Justin Scoggins (126)
155 lbs.: Al Iaquinta (155) vs. Rodrigo Damm (156)
185 lbs.: Rafael Natal (185) vs. Chris Camozzi (185)
135 lbs.: Chris Beal (135) vs. Tateki Matsuda (135)
145 lbs.: Sean Soriano (145) vs. Chas Skelly (145)

*Charles Oliveira didn't attempt to cut the extra weight and forfeited 20% of his prize purse.

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Charles Oliveira blames missing weight on viral infection

"I was sick for the past weeks in Brazil, and I was pretty bad when I got to the United States," Oliveira told MMAFighting.com after the weigh-ins. "I couldn’t cut weight, and I’m not feeling well to cut weight, so that’s why I missed weight. I had high fever, headache. I think it was a viral infection. But I was the one who asked for this fight, so I couldn’t withdraw."

This is the second time Oliveira failed to make weight for a featherweight bout. In Sept. 2012, the Brazilian grappler weighed 146.4 pounds prior to his bout with Cub Swanson, which he lost via first-round knockout.

"I don’t know, let’s wait until tomorrow," he said when asked if the bad weight cut would be an issue during tomorrow’s UFC fight. "We’ll see."

just what I need to shove on Lentz, already thought he was a good bet before the weight ins

They're using the small 25 foot cage again tomorrow. The smaller cage usually results in more finishes.

I believe UFC 177 was the most recent event that was held in a smaller cage.

On September 05 2014 01:58 PuertoRican wrote: They're using the small 25 foot cage again tomorrow. The smaller cage usually results in more finishes. I believe UFC 177 was the most recent event that was held in a smaller cage.

Sweet. I think they should just perma move to smaller cage. Always more action.

On September 05 2014 02:23 Stim_Abuser wrote: Show nested quote + On September 05 2014 01:58 PuertoRican wrote: They're using the small 25 foot cage again tomorrow. The smaller cage usually results in more finishes. I believe UFC 177 was the most recent event that was held in a smaller cage. Sweet. I think they should just perma move to smaller cage. Always more action.

more action but more "cage" action which is boring and it should also greatly benefit wrestlers... and fuck wrestlers

Such bullshit with this smaller cage. Seriously. Benefits the fuck out of Jacare. And makes this so much less of a sport. Does the NFL all of a sudden shrink the field for more hits? Poppy cock.

That's a damn fine fight night card lol.

Looking forward to like 80% of the fights here.

Past couple of months have been pretty lackluster from the UFC side of things.

Even Lentz vs Oliveira which is the 5th fight is still really good.

All the card is fucking good, I will definitely watch the entire event.

http://fightnomics.com/category/blog/ufc-cage-size-analysis/

Don't forget that this UFC card is today (Friday), not tomorrow (Saturday).

Also, I just updated the OP with the new start time for the main card. There's 6 fights on the prelim card, which still starts at 18:00 LP.net, but the main card now starts at 21:00 LP.net. All of the fights are on the same TV channel, so the prelim and main card stuff doesn't matter for this event anyway.

is this thing gonna show in Canada TV ???

@arielhelwani: Tonight's Nik Lentz vs. Charles Oliveira has been canceled, per UFC. Oliveira is sick (missed weight yesterday).

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Guess I'll put my Oliveira bet on Pat Curran at plus odds in his match tonight versus Patricio Pitbull.

lol, made a big deposit at 5dimes just for this fight, now I will have to bet like nuts to be able to cashout again...fuck me

: (

argh

I'm currently picking up some Chipotle and Starbucks, so I might miss the first fight.

The event should have just started.

Huge gaffe by Herb Dean in the second round will go unnoticed. Soriano was fresh and Skelly was gassed. Skelly lands a low blow, 2 seconds later uses it for a takedown... Herb Dean recognizes the low blow that occurred on the feet, and breaks them, and then resets them with Skelly in top position? What the fuck kind of dumb logic is that.

Round 1: Matsuda

Poor fight IQ from Matsuda.

Sick fight IQ by Matsuda. Way to give away a fight. lol

Round 1: Natal

Camozzi just isn't a good MMA fighter.

Neither of these guys are good mma fighters in the least. I'll call rd 2 a pile of shit draw. Prolly give it to Camozzi tho.

Camozzi 2-1

Shitty fight though.

Rofl. Just got robbed out of a job and probably deserves it. Poor Camozzi.

Shitty judges in Bellator tonight too. That's what happens when you go to places that rarely get any MMA.

Dana White posted on twitter after Natal got the nod: WOW!!

On September 05 2014 19:47 PuertoRican wrote: Dana White posted on twitter after Natal got the nod: WOW!!

AKA "I think that was a robbery but am too afraid to say it in case I'm wrong". You were right Dana. You were right.

Pretty sure Damm is going to sleep in rd 2.

Edit: Guess not. Maybe round 3? FFS, gimme a finish to watch

ROFL, thank you!

Lol looks cooler when Hunt does it :D

Iaquinta continues to get hit way too much in his fights. He's gonna pay for it when he faces a good striker with decent TDD.

WAR SCOGGINZ. LETS GO

ROFL. Oh my God. That is unbelievable. I am so butt-hurt right now.

Holy crap... I can't believe Tito Ortiz and Stephan Bonnar literally just did the WWF/WWE skit in Bellator to promote/announce their fight...

They even had a masked-man that they unveiled as Tito's old training partner who turned heel.

That sucked.

How did the Chiesa/Lauzon fight end? I'm watching the Curran/Pitbull match.

Round 1: Patricio (really close round but, Patricio landed the only 1-2 shots that mattered)
Round 2: Curran (Patricio landed a big flurry but, Curran landed a lot of other stuff, especially in the 2nd half of the round, and Patricio slowed down his activity in the second half of the round)
Round 3: Patricio (the round was pretty close until the straight punch that knocked Curran down. Curran popped back up and the rest of the round was close)
Round 4: Curran (very close round, nobody landed much of anything. However, Curran was the one coming forward the entire round and threw more strikes)

Fuck Lauzon is just such a sick hero.

Cut stoppage. Really brutal cut above his eye that Lauzon opened up with a knee.

On September 05 2014 21:24 PuertoRican wrote: How did the Chiesa/Lauzon fight end? I'm watching the Curran/Pitbull match. Round 1: Patricio (really close round but, Patricio landed the only 1-2 shots that mattered) Round 2: Curran (Patricio landed a big flurry but, Curran landed a lot of other stuff, especially in the 2nd half of the round, and Patricio slowed down his activity in the second half of the round) Round 3: Patricio (the round was pretty close until the straight punch that knocked Curran down. Curran popped back up and the rest of the round was close) Round 4: Curran (very close round, nobody landed much of anything. However, Curran was the one coming forward the entire round and threw more strikes)

It went that you clearly watched the wrong fight. Fuck Bellator, Viacom's little WWE toy.

But seriously, amazing fight up until a brutal cut stoppage, back and forth violence, just what you'd expect from Lauzon the GOAT of real entertainment.

Round 1: Patricio (really close round but, Patricio landed the only 1-2 shots that mattered)
Round 2: Curran (Patricio landed a big flurry but, Curran landed a lot of other stuff, especially in the 2nd half of the round, and Patricio slowed down his activity in the second half of the round)
Round 3: Patricio (the round was pretty close until the straight punch that knocked Curran down. Curran popped back up and the rest of the round was close)
Round 4: Curran (very close round, nobody landed much of anything. However, Curran was the one coming forward the entire round and threw more strikes)
Round 5: Patricio (everything was dead even until the final minute of the round, where Patricio wobbled Curran at two different points)

I could see a split either way but, Patricio is who I think won the fight.

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Patricio Pitbull with the unanimous decision. 48-47, 49-46, 49-46

gg Black Beast...

gfg.

Matt Mitrione went a little too "hood" in training camp. Let the racially inciting MMA articles begin.

This is the bullshit that happened earlier on the Bellator card.

Gross.

On September 05 2014 21:54 PuertoRican wrote: This is the bullshit that happened earlier on the Bellator card.

Viacom.

Holy crap! Keith Peterson, literally the smallest referee in UFC, is working this heavyweight match!

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL


Cosmo knows all.


wow.

overeem should retire

watch for the next episode of "The Reem". he explains that he doesn't care about losing and how it doesn't affect his confidence. lol

Bahahahah - the Reem chin. Honestly though. Rothwell looked fucking good.

And with that combined with Bellator stooping to the depths that they did, the UFC is officially having a worse night than 177.

Without the roids Reems strikes didn't seem to hurt Rothwell at all

On September 05 2014 22:07 soberstone wrote: Bahahahah - the Reem chin. Honestly though. Rothwell looked fucking good.

Reem's chin didn't fail him this time, he got hit with a shot on a weird part of his head and collapsed, then couldn't recover from the barrage of punches.

Sucks to see Reem lose, but that's life I guess.

On September 05 2014 22:10 whamm! wrote: Without the roids Reems strikes didn't seem to hurt Rothwell at all

Reem didn't hit him much in the face. Did he even hit him in the face? He kept going for leg kicks and knees to the stomach.

Rothwell didn't look good to me. He looked very slow. I guess we're never going to see JDS vs Overeem now

Kinda sad seeing how crushed reem looked.

I agree he did not hit him in the face but he did hit him with some nice knees to the body - must have at least done some slow down to rothwell (which i was hoping for)
its weird but i just felt reem acted like he knew he would be put away at any time in the fight, he didn't look cautious, he looked kinda scared of getting hit - and he did.

I guess thats the last of the true "pride" guys im really rooting for each fight theyre in. is there anybody left thats even remotely relevant still?

Decent showing by Jacare.

He gets the next titleshot, and gets merked by Weidman.

bet on moraga+mitrione paid like 6.05+, but lost on mousasi but happy made some profits

Not sure what to think about the Jacare vs. Mousasi result. Jacare won and got the finish, but yeah... Neither guy looked great imo.

Jacare had the style to beat Mousasi, but he was gassed in the 3rd round. Mousasi ate a lot of shots and was on bottom. From a fan perspective, it was a boring fight since Jacare was on top for most of the fight and trying to work on Mousasi's arm, which meant not a lot of action was getting done. I'm wondering how Jacare was so tired in the 3rd round.

wow jacare is a beast. didnt see the first fight but this rematch he really looked like a league above gegar. he's one of those few high level jits guys i enjoy watching because he does use solid standup to set up his ground game. weidman will have his hands full with this one

On September 05 2014 22:57 whamm! wrote: wow jacare is a beast. didnt see the first fight but this rematch he really looked like a league above gegar. he's one of those few high level jits guys i enjoy watching because he does use solid standup to set up his ground game. weidman will have his hands full with this one

I strongly disagree. Dream matchup for Weidman.

Yea Weidman is a sizable favorite in that fight.

He's basically significantly better at every single aspect of MMA besides BJJ. And the gap there isn't even that big.

On September 05 2014 23:13 Stim_Abuser wrote: Yea Weidman is a sizable favorite in that fight. He's basically significantly better at every single aspect of MMA besides BJJ. And the gap there isn't even that big.

Biggest differences are in the cardio, striking technique, and of course wrestling.

Weidman's cardio has been criticized but I promise you it's much better than Jacare's, he was on top the entire time tonight and still looked gassed by the third round.

Jac's striking has only looked so good because his opponents are so worried about getting taken down and he does have big power... not gonna be the case with Weidman. If Jacare tries to wing those huge hooks without setting them up with jabs or kicks (neither of which he does), he's gonna get KO'd or end up on his back, where Weidman is safe.

Finally, Jacare's wrestling from the clinch is great and all, but Weidman is on a whole other level and is younger, bigger, stronger, and has better technique. No way those trips and waist-lock double-legs work on him.

The BJJ simply shouldn't factor into the equation.

I actually favor Rockhold over Jacare too.

On September 05 2014 22:11 PuertoRican wrote: Show nested quote + On September 05 2014 22:07 soberstone wrote: Bahahahah - the Reem chin. Honestly though. Rothwell looked fucking good. Reem's chin didn't fail him this time, he got hit with a shot on a weird part of his head and collapsed, then couldn't recover from the barrage of punches. Sucks to see Reem lose, but that's life I guess.   On September 05 2014 22:10 whamm! wrote: Without the roids Reems strikes didn't seem to hurt Rothwell at all Reem didn't hit him much in the face. Did he even hit him in the face? He kept going for leg kicks and knees to the stomach.

LOL It's not Overeem's chin that's the problem. I've been saying this forever, the problem is he doesn't like to get hit PERIOD. Like I guess he is a really good MMA fighter in fights where he doesn't get hit. There is not a single fighter on the UFC roster that hates getting hit more than Overeem. He gets hit with a good shot ONCE and his striking output drops to basically zero, he gets super defensive, and is basically a sitting duck in every fight he's fought.

Those arms and that chest, it blinds so many people...

Original video doesn't work anymore.

I could have gotten a decent freeroll on Overeem and a huge freeroll on Rothwell at one point. I thought I could get even more of a freeroll and didn't go for it. My greed got the better of me, and then the lines started dropping and the freeroll was gone. The entire reason for the bets was the freeroll to begin with. 2014 profits down the drain, sucks.

Happy to see Joe Lauzon winning. I always feel at some point his style (including cardio) is going to be outdated as the level in MMA just keeps going up. He's such an entertaining fighter hope to see him soon again.

On September 06 2014 00:07 JonnyCosMo wrote: Show nested quote + On September 05 2014 22:11 PuertoRican wrote:   On September 05 2014 22:07 soberstone wrote: Bahahahah - the Reem chin. Honestly though. Rothwell looked fucking good. Reem's chin didn't fail him this time, he got hit with a shot on a weird part of his head and collapsed, then couldn't recover from the barrage of punches. Sucks to see Reem lose, but that's life I guess.   On September 05 2014 22:10 whamm! wrote: Without the roids Reems strikes didn't seem to hurt Rothwell at all Reem didn't hit him much in the face. Did he even hit him in the face? He kept going for leg kicks and knees to the stomach. LOL It's not Overeem's chin that's the problem. I've been saying this forever, the problem is he doesn't like to get hit PERIOD. Like I guess he is a really good MMA fighter in fights where he doesn't get hit. There is not a single fighter on the UFC roster that hates getting hit more than Overeem. He gets hit with a good shot ONCE and his striking output drops to basically zero, he gets super defensive, and is basically a sitting duck in every fight he's fought. Those arms and that chest, it blinds so many people...

Seems like a mix of both at the very least. He doesn't deal with getting hit well because he knows he can't endure too much of it.

On September 06 2014 00:07 JonnyCosMo wrote: Show nested quote + On September 05 2014 22:11 PuertoRican wrote:   On September 05 2014 22:07 soberstone wrote: Bahahahah - the Reem chin. Honestly though. Rothwell looked fucking good. Reem's chin didn't fail him this time, he got hit with a shot on a weird part of his head and collapsed, then couldn't recover from the barrage of punches. Sucks to see Reem lose, but that's life I guess.   On September 05 2014 22:10 whamm! wrote: Without the roids Reems strikes didn't seem to hurt Rothwell at all Reem didn't hit him much in the face. Did he even hit him in the face? He kept going for leg kicks and knees to the stomach. LOL It's not Overeem's chin that's the problem. I've been saying this forever, the problem is he doesn't like to get hit PERIOD. Like I guess he is a really good MMA fighter in fights where he doesn't get hit. There is not a single fighter on the UFC roster that hates getting hit more than Overeem. He gets hit with a good shot ONCE and his striking output drops to basically zero, he gets super defensive, and is basically a sitting duck in every fight he's fought. Those arms and that chest, it blinds so many people...

I thought he looked like he was trying to fight with a new style and he just wasn't prepared enough... Like, he kept ending up off balance and just looked sloppy to me, while throwing like 5 million oblique kicks and trying sloppy clinch/shot attempts. Idk, did not look like he was ready.

Overeems randomly switching stances from orthodox to southpaw was very strange. That is only something a fighter should be doing if it's natural to them. Not something you should try to have a 35 year old guy with like 70 professional fights to do in the course of one camp.

what in the fuck... Overeem has never looked more anxious in his entire career before, Jackson certainly made a big mistake here so sad, its all over for Overeem he is the new Arlovski, it doesnt matter how technically superior you are, if you are going to crumble at the 1st punch

On September 05 2014 23:46 soberstone wrote: Show nested quote + On September 05 2014 23:13 Stim_Abuser wrote: Yea Weidman is a sizable favorite in that fight. He's basically significantly better at every single aspect of MMA besides BJJ. And the gap there isn't even that big. Biggest differences are in the cardio, striking technique, and of course wrestling. Weidman's cardio has been criticized but I promise you it's much better than Jacare's, he was on top the entire time tonight and still looked gassed by the third round. Jac's striking has only looked so good because his opponents are so worried about getting taken down and he does have big power... not gonna be the case with Weidman. If Jacare tries to wing those huge hooks without setting them up with jabs or kicks (neither of which he does), he's gonna get KO'd or end up on his back, where Weidman is safe. Finally, Jacare's wrestling from the clinch is great and all, but Weidman is on a whole other level and is younger, bigger, stronger, and has better technique. No way those trips and waist-lock double-legs work on him. The BJJ simply shouldn't factor into the equation. I actually favor Rockhold over Jacare too.

Agree with everything.

On September 03 2014 21:53 Baalim wrote: I feel as if Jacare is the one who has to take the fight, all Mousasi has to do is box from the outside and hide from the predictable overhand and not allowing Jacare to throw the overhand in an attempt to bumrush im and press him against the cage. I think fighting like he did against Latiffi would be bad, that constant low handed jab to stuff takedowns will only get you knocked out by Jacare, I think he should be more diverse since Jacarely never does the GSP takedown that lets you come in with a punch, he is usually the one transitioning from punching to takedowns and not countering with them.

Like to point in fact try to go with the Latiffi strategy. :}

Matt Mitrione must won the Bonus instead of Ben Rothwell IMO.

On September 08 2014 04:45 Stim_Abuser wrote: Show nested quote + On September 03 2014 21:53 Baalim wrote: I feel as if Jacare is the one who has to take the fight, all Mousasi has to do is box from the outside and hide from the predictable overhand and not allowing Jacare to throw the overhand in an attempt to bumrush im and press him against the cage. I think fighting like he did against Latiffi would be bad, that constant low handed jab to stuff takedowns will only get you knocked out by Jacare, I think he should be more diverse since Jacarely never does the GSP takedown that lets you come in with a punch, he is usually the one transitioning from punching to takedowns and not countering with them. Like to point in fact try to go with the Latiffi strategy. :}

I always considered Mousasi to have on the highest fighting IQs and Ive been proved absolutely wrong in his fights vs Machida and now Jacare, he fought like an absolute idiot, he fought exactly like vs Latiffi he didnt throw a single right hand after he was exhausted, he kept that ridiculous relaxed wide stance and throwing stupid jabs that never connected and instead of counter-countering Jacares predictable haymakers he just stepped backwards into the smaller cage and got easily dominated there as expected, so dissapointing

On September 09 2014 00:03 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On September 08 2014 04:45 Stim_Abuser wrote:   On September 03 2014 21:53 Baalim wrote: I feel as if Jacare is the one who has to take the fight, all Mousasi has to do is box from the outside and hide from the predictable overhand and not allowing Jacare to throw the overhand in an attempt to bumrush im and press him against the cage. I think fighting like he did against Latiffi would be bad, that constant low handed jab to stuff takedowns will only get you knocked out by Jacare, I think he should be more diverse since Jacarely never does the GSP takedown that lets you come in with a punch, he is usually the one transitioning from punching to takedowns and not countering with them. Like to point in fact try to go with the Latiffi strategy. :} I always considered Mousasi to have on the highest fighting IQs

Fuck that puto. Fucking guy is so overrated, I can't believe I even bet him in this spot.

He's one of those guys who was great back in the day, but isn't great today. He can't beat a low volume striker like Machida, and he can't beat a BJJ player who throws bombs because he backs up in a straight line. He won't be able to handle an elite MMA wrestler whenever he faces one.

His wins over Latifi and Munoz aren't impressive either.

On September 09 2014 00:03 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On September 08 2014 04:45 Stim_Abuser wrote:   On September 03 2014 21:53 Baalim wrote: I feel as if Jacare is the one who has to take the fight, all Mousasi has to do is box from the outside and hide from the predictable overhand and not allowing Jacare to throw the overhand in an attempt to bumrush im and press him against the cage. I think fighting like he did against Latiffi would be bad, that constant low handed jab to stuff takedowns will only get you knocked out by Jacare, I think he should be more diverse since Jacarely never does the GSP takedown that lets you come in with a punch, he is usually the one transitioning from punching to takedowns and not countering with them. Like to point in fact try to go with the Latiffi strategy. :} I always considered Mousasi to have on the highest fighting IQs and Ive been proved absolutely wrong in his fights vs Machida and now Jacare, he fought like an absolute idiot, he fought exactly like vs Latiffi he didnt throw a single right hand after he was exhausted, he kept that ridiculous relaxed wide stance and throwing stupid jabs that never connected and instead of counter-countering Jacares predictable haymakers he just stepped backwards into thesmaller cage and got easily dominated there as expected, so dissapointing

Agree'd but the smaller cage thing is a fucking joke. How can they consider themselves a sport with a playing field that fluctuates in size and completely changes the dynamics of a fight. I'm not saying Gegard would have won, but as soon as I found out it was a smaller cage I was like "well that's some fucking bullshit that completely favors one style".

fighters should adapt to different environments to be considered the best in the world - like they do in tekken and street fighter
e.g. waterfalls, chinatown, bahamas, fruit market etc.

On September 09 2014 00:03 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On September 08 2014 04:45 Stim_Abuser wrote:   On September 03 2014 21:53 Baalim wrote: I feel as if Jacare is the one who has to take the fight, all Mousasi has to do is box from the outside and hide from the predictable overhand and not allowing Jacare to throw the overhand in an attempt to bumrush im and press him against the cage. I think fighting like he did against Latiffi would be bad, that constant low handed jab to stuff takedowns will only get you knocked out by Jacare, I think he should be more diverse since Jacarely never does the GSP takedown that lets you come in with a punch, he is usually the one transitioning from punching to takedowns and not countering with them. Like to point in fact try to go with the Latiffi strategy. :} I always considered Mousasi to have on the highest fighting IQs and Ive been proved absolutely wrong in his fights vs Machida and now Jacare, he fought like an absolute idiot, he fought exactly like vs Latiffi he didnt throw a single right hand after he was exhausted, he kept that ridiculous relaxed wide stance and throwing stupid jabs that never connected and instead of counter-countering Jacares predictable haymakers he just stepped backwards into the smaller cage and got easily dominated there as expected, so dissapointing

Not sure why you thought that. A lot of his problems stem from his fight IQ. His extremely low volume, his lack of footwork, his almost not trying attitude when in the cage. He's clearly a smart fellow outside of the cage, but he doesn't fight very intelligently imo. Nor does he approach his training very intelligently. As Nazgul pointed out, probably the biggest fight of his life and he trains and some small podunk gym which clearly doesn't have many elite grapplers to spar with. Meh.

Ive always thought he was smart on the cage and this article helped me cement that idea http://fightland.vice.com/blog/jack-slack-the-shape-shifting-gegard-mousasi but it seems I was wrong.

And agreed with both you too that his main problem is before the fight, why do stoic fighters do that? Fedor also had the training ideas and it was the cause of his final demise

On September 09 2014 23:48 whamm! wrote: fighters should adapt to different environments to be considered the best in the world - like they do in tekken and street fighter e.g. waterfalls, chinatown, bahamas, fruit market etc.

Closest we've got are the obstacle course games. Maybe if we get a 3rd challenge type we can create the Best in the World Triathletic Event