Interesting Hand between Reinkemeier and Seiver - Page 2

He wouldnt really like to flip either. He was either way behind against sets/flushes/2p, a slight favourite against combo draw like K10 with 1 club or a favourite against complete air. Id say the latter is the smallest % of Seivers range and he invested like 6(?) bbs into the pot up until the turn? Considering the payjumps/2 fish still in the game/stack left if folding, I wouldnt say it was that bad.

That's pretty much what I figured his reasoning was as well Napoleon although I don't really think it's a good play.

JCalgary, every pro there had backers except maybe DN. who did u figure was putting up 1 million on their own other than the wealthy amateurs?

From what I hear the winner Colman had 10% of himself for example.

obviously a terrible fold if i have the action right.

flats AA from bb, c/c 1 street, c/f 2nd street Q25cc Jc?
..?

he should just 3bet if hes gonna play so awful post flop. seiver has to assume his bb range is wider than other spot ranges, therefore will barrel this board more often. obv allin is scary but you'd hvae to expect seiver to be jamming alot of his AcXx combos, along with betting smaller with made flushes or even checking nut flushes potentially. really weird fold, seiver musta gotten into his head along with the stakes and froze his brain

On August 15 2014 17:44 MezmerizePLZ wrote: obviously a terrible fold if i have the action right. flats AA from bb, c/c 1 street, c/f 2nd street Q25cc Jc? ..?

you got it right

Also the more i think about it, the more i like Seiver's shove there considering how Renkemeier played his aces..

On August 15 2014 17:47 MezmerizePLZ wrote: he should just 3bet if hes gonna play so awful post flop. seiver has to assume his bb range is wider than other spot ranges, therefore will barrel this board more often. obv allin is scary but you'd hvae to expect seiver to be jamming alot of his AcXx combos, along with betting smaller with made flushes or even checking nut flushes potentially. really weird fold, seiver musta gotten into his head along with the stakes and froze his brain

the worst part of it, the turn jam was ~ 1 spr

On August 15 2014 18:32 Spitfiree wrote: Show nested quote + On August 15 2014 17:44 MezmerizePLZ wrote: obviously a terrible fold if i have the action right. flats AA from bb, c/c 1 street, c/f 2nd street Q25cc Jc? ..? you got it right Also the more i think about it, the more i like Seiver's shove there considering how Renkemeier played his aces..

seiver had no expectation of AA and was not trying to fold out AA, he even said it after waiting 10 minutes. I expect 100% his outburst at the end was entirely to get rein to show his monster time down, again, but as you see playing AA this way is entirely nonsensical.

He slow played AA and as a strategy, he should only do that if he expects seiver to stack off lighter/wider bluff range. Having seiver shove turn is the entire strategy and here he is folding. It is a horrific play by rein at 1 spr.

On August 15 2014 18:32 Spitfiree wrote: Show nested quote + On August 15 2014 17:44 MezmerizePLZ wrote: obviously a terrible fold if i have the action right. flats AA from bb, c/c 1 street, c/f 2nd street Q25cc Jc? ..? you got it right Also the more i think about it, the more i like Seiver's shove there considering how Renkemeier played his aces..

his play with KT is standard with 1 pot sized bet behind

what an idiot

if he's so scared then why doesn't he just raise flop and get it in?

I dunno what history these two have playing each other, but Reinkemeier decided to follow his read instead of his plan, which turned out to be a disaster. It would be interesting if he comments about the hand and what was going on in his mind at that time.

On August 15 2014 17:47 MezmerizePLZ wrote: he should just 3bet if hes gonna play so awful post flop. seiver has to assume his bb range is wider than other spot ranges, therefore will barrel this board more often. obv allin is scary but you'd hvae to expect seiver to be jamming alot of his AcXx combos, along with betting smaller with made flushes or even checking nut flushes potentially. really weird fold, seiver musta gotten into his head along with the stakes and froze his brain

DING

flatting aa pf so that you lose less when you inevitably fold the hand on a later street is a pretty standard live thing

i think its a somewhat interesting fold. Like hes thinking we can assume that Seiver of all people is not going to airball off his tourny here and basically says that the only way you havent got me beat is if you have KT or K9 because he believed in this stage of a million dollar tournament no hand shoves for value that doesnt have him beat, ie kq isn't shoving that turn and AQ is extremelly unlikely also would he shove turn with AsQx, probably not, probably a diffent line somehow. He expects KT to shove turn and be in his range sometimes but feels it is outweighed by the times he is beat, even then it is going to have a flush draw also (esp if K9) so hes not got the had locked where he can just be drawing dead when he calls turn.

Obviously he is slightly wrong and the fold is almost definitely incorrect because there is always the chance your calculations to your opponents tendencies are wrong and that in this spot i think he overreps in his head the amout of hands that Seiver shows up with that are going to be better than AA at that point in the hand w/ that action

Its interesting because its not like rankeinemeir (lolsp?) was surprised to see KT he thought that would shove he just didnt think anything else would semi-bluff shove and perhaps he was correct with the game flow and the way Seiver is likely to approach this tourament.

^^ think the biggest issue hre is that he is treating it as a televised 1 million buy in tourney instead of lol i have 20bb with aces

On August 15 2014 22:54 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On August 15 2014 18:32 Spitfiree wrote:   On August 15 2014 17:44 MezmerizePLZ wrote: obviously a terrible fold if i have the action right. flats AA from bb, c/c 1 street, c/f 2nd street Q25cc Jc? ..? you got it right Also the more i think about it, the more i like Seiver's shove there considering how Renkemeier played his aces.. his play with KT is standard with 1 pot sized bet behind

yeah but im a donk :D
and ye Highcard i know

I thought the K10 shove was borderline awful, but the fold of AA was a lot a lot a loooot worse.

He breaks down the hand perfectly out loud, and he is right. The fact I dislike the K10 shove is because once you break down the hand like it was done, you come up with a lot of those type of hands (and you are gonna have bottom range of those hands) and it's a call often and your equity is gonna suck.

No idea how he managed to fold, mostlikely like said, because of the 1M buyin, TV, payouts, etc.

awesome chat by scott. still terrible fold, but tobias is definitely a boss and probably better than anyone who posts on this site.