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ez rares ?! and Puppey is Estonian.

I think he means 2mil SEK, which is swedish money.

this took it for me

V epic match.

this entire series was nuts. game 5 was incredible

Yea sick game. Very good split push by Alliance when Navi was pushing their mid. And S4's puck cancelling 2 TPs in the end also very nice.

why they have the worst commentating duo at the finals

On August 12 2013 16:25 mnj wrote: why they have the worst commentating duo at the finals

together they suck, but individually I think the louder guy was and can be comparable to breaky

LD and lumi were the best commentators there

navi will never win another international with puppey as their captain. he sucks at drafting and his decision making is terrible. hvost isn't very good either imo.

but that game 5 was pretty nuts.

the liquid vs LGD.cn game was the best game of the tournament

admiralbulldog is way too good, probably was overall the best player in the international.

On August 12 2013 14:38 cariadon wrote: I think he means 2mil SEK, which is swedish money.

No they were playing for $2M, but 1st was $1.4m+change and second got $630k-ish.

Awesome tournament. I spend probably 100 hours of my life watching it last week :x. Was cheering for Na'Vi but that last game aawww maaaaannn

On August 12 2013 16:06 Joe wrote: Yea sick game. Very good split push by Alliance when Navi was pushing their mid. And S4's puck cancelling 2 TPs in the end also very nice.

$800k dream coil by S4 when he cancelled 3 tp's.

And yeah, the beyond the summit guys are the best commentators. I think Ayesee (while being ok at keeping the crowd entertained) is fairly bad when it comes to the game itself. Draskyl helps a lot with that, but he's too timid imo. I think Toby is entertaining.

On August 12 2013 17:21 Into Infinity wrote: LD and lumi were the best commentators there navi will never win another international with puppey as their captain. he sucks at drafting and his decision making is terrible. hvost isn't very good either imo. but that game 5 was pretty nuts. the liquid vs LGD.cn game was the best game of the tournament admiralbulldog is way too good, probably was overall the best player in the international.

lumi can't speak english.

and while i'm not a navi fanboy, their play relies on picking really chaotic drafts and giving opponents something new. i'm sure most ppl on this forum as poker players can appreciate this.

then there is the Chinese way(to me this is the alliance way as well, think about their fairly consistent player pool), just perfect the execution 99/100 times and win, even though the opponents know what's going to happen.

i'm really hoping fnatic step up their game next year, get rid of hanni, and put n0tail back at mid where he belongs

and i think that's a pretty retarded claim, given they went to the international finals every year.

"Awesome tournament. I spend probably 100 hours of my life watching it last week"

haha glad to see i'm not the only one.

i think toby + wagamama was great, and wagamama every now and then provides absolute gems of insight. i guess lumi+gd might be a better combo for the casual average player

It still hurts seeing how NaVi threw it all away.

On August 12 2013 17:30 Twisted wrote: $800k dream coil by S4 when he cancelled 3 tp's.

s4 only canceled 1 TP - dendi didn't have one and hvost didn't use his

On August 12 2013 17:46 mnj wrote: and i think that's a pretty retarded claim, given they went to the international finals every year.

they won with artstyle as captain. i think under puppey's leadership, na'vi will lose more "standard" games because they try a lot of surprise picks. his weakness as a captain was exposed during game 5 with his decision making losing him the game

On August 12 2013 17:21 Into Infinity wrote: LD and lumi were the best commentators there navi will never win another international with puppey as their captain. he sucks at drafting and his decision making is terrible. hvost isn't very good either imo. but that game 5 was pretty nuts. the liquid vs LGD.cn game was the best game of the tournament admiralbulldog is way too good, probably was overall the best player in the international.

I strongly disagree with most of what you said here.

Puppey is still amazing. You don't just end up in finals three times if your support (and leader) sucks. While it's not a bad thing to hold an opinion, I think it's reasonable to give an accomplished player like Puppey a benefit of the doubt instead of saying his draft/decisionmaking sucks.

Xboct is an amazing player, incredibly underrated. For what it's worth, even I used to think he wasn't so great. But since this year's TI, I have changed my mind completely. This guy is absolutely incredible. Game 4 could've almost been a turnaround mainly thanks to Xboct, and their victory over Orange came down to Xboct as well. This is when Mushi dies for a third crucial death, where in night time, Mushi's OD forces itself forward to sheep Xboct when rest of Na'Vi were sitting behind him. Sheep is an instant cast, and 800 range (naix's night vision also 800 range). Somehow, Xboct was able to react to this and rage before the sheep was clicked on him, making Mushi look stupid as it now seems he have forced himself towards all of Na'Vi to get killed. That sealed that game.

There were other numerous times where his button-clickingness was so fucking on point. Where many others would've just died and he'd snaprage and live openings of ganks.

Also dota's commentating is not very good in general. In fact, all of eSports is minus maybe that of Tasteless. A lot of people just don't have the charisma. I really like fighting game's Seth Killian. That guy is the fucking best.

I think Dota commentary is way better than Starcraft commentary in general. Tastosis is really good though but they seem to have lost their freshness and don't really get excited in the game. In the end of the game when one player is winning the last big game they're like 'yeahhh... looks like this is it.. no way x player can get back from this' instead of 'AND HE'S PUSHING IN, TRYING TO END IT NOW, etc.etc.'. There's a lot more energy in the commentary of the Dota casters which is nice in these fast-paced games. It keeps you on the edge of your seat.

And then you have terrible casters like Khaldor in SC that definitely sways my preference to the dota casters.

Well, dota certainly has that too (the whole, "it looks like it's gg" /unhype. We even have Ayesee who I think is the most ridiculous shit ever. The most fabricated, fake earnest shit. It's just, the stage and the context of the game was too perfect. You just couldn't tell who was going to win until the end. Tons of comebacks and re-comebacks.

I think this was what I really liked about SC as well (and perhaps why I dislike SC2). Or any other game that I really enjoy. It's never over until it's over.

fucking sick lyfe nolan, winning on Alliance with his furion play

the international II and III were by far the best experiences i've ever had watching games online. So good.

Whenever I watch tastosis casts, I find that when tasteless decides to go full goofy/making jokes mode it tends to be a poor cast if artosis tries to be the opposite with analysis. On the flip side, when they're both funny/goofy it's great and when they're both analytical it is also great.

What you see in casting today is people paired up just because they:

a.) get along and don't interrupt each other awkwardly that much

b.) one alpha caster with a support

c.) two people who just suck together, individually, and/or have no business casting in general

I think if you're going to cast in a certain tone then you can't have hiccups where you shout out the loud hype-mode type stuff during battles such as "THEY'RE TAKING THE BARRACKS, NECRO 3, SHACKLE, ALLIANCE IS DOING IT" and then interrupt it with stuff like "And this is very good for Na`Vi. They're gaining experience and setting themselves up for a stronger later game. This is very efficient" etc etc. I found that during game 5 when the one guy who does all the loud yelling got in his groove, it would sadly be ruined by that other guy who tried to be who he wasn't (loud/charismatic/exciting) and just come off awkward and kill the moment for the viewers. On the flip side, when the loud guy tried to slow down after a huge battle with some analytical commentary it just came off terribly.

That being said, I think the dota 2 community has a few super talented and entertaining casters, and they're just not utilizing the right duos.

Stop playing HoN, Khan.

Also, Seth Killian for the president who has the knowledge, passion, hype and professionalism.

On August 12 2013 20:02 Arirang wrote: Show nested quote + On August 12 2013 17:21 Into Infinity wrote: LD and lumi were the best commentators there navi will never win another international with puppey as their captain. he sucks at drafting and his decision making is terrible. hvost isn't very good either imo. but that game 5 was pretty nuts. the liquid vs LGD.cn game was the best game of the tournament admiralbulldog is way too good, probably was overall the best player in the international. I strongly disagree with most of what you said here. Puppey is still amazing. You don't just end up in finals three times if your support (and leader) sucks. While it's not a bad thing to hold an opinion, I think it's reasonable to give an accomplished player like Puppey a benefit of the doubt instead of saying his draft/decisionmaking sucks. Xboct is an amazing player, incredibly underrated. For what it's worth, even I used to think he wasn't so great. But since this year's TI, I have changed my mind completely. This guy is absolutely incredible. Game 4 could've almost been a turnaround mainly thanks to Xboct, and their victory over Orange came down to Xboct as well. This is when Mushi dies for a third crucial death, where in night time, Mushi's OD forces itself forward to sheep Xboct when rest of Na'Vi were sitting behind him. Sheep is an instant cast, and 800 range (naix's night vision also 800 range). Somehow, Xboct was able to react to this and rage before the sheep was clicked on him, making Mushi look stupid as it now seems he have forced himself towards all of Na'Vi to get killed. That sealed that game. There were other numerous times where his button-clickingness was so fucking on point. Where many others would've just died and he'd snaprage and live openings of ganks.

Ad superfast reactions - wtf how did S4's puck (Game 5) manage to avoid that XBoct's Alchemist stun from invisibility. That was something I didnt get, XBoct was casting the stun standing almost next to him, so it took like what, 0.2s to land? Yet S4 still managed to somehow spot it and dissapear...

That's why S4 is amazing ;o

On August 13 2013 04:59 Joe wrote: Show nested quote + On August 12 2013 20:02 Arirang wrote:   On August 12 2013 17:21 Into Infinity wrote: LD and lumi were the best commentators there navi will never win another international with puppey as their captain. he sucks at drafting and his decision making is terrible. hvost isn't very good either imo. but that game 5 was pretty nuts. the liquid vs LGD.cn game was the best game of the tournament admiralbulldog is way too good, probably was overall the best player in the international. I strongly disagree with most of what you said here. Puppey is still amazing. You don't just end up in finals three times if your support (and leader) sucks. While it's not a bad thing to hold an opinion, I think it's reasonable to give an accomplished player like Puppey a benefit of the doubt instead of saying his draft/decisionmaking sucks. Xboct is an amazing player, incredibly underrated. For what it's worth, even I used to think he wasn't so great. But since this year's TI, I have changed my mind completely. This guy is absolutely incredible. Game 4 could've almost been a turnaround mainly thanks to Xboct, and their victory over Orange came down to Xboct as well. This is when Mushi dies for a third crucial death, where in night time, Mushi's OD forces itself forward to sheep Xboct when rest of Na'Vi were sitting behind him. Sheep is an instant cast, and 800 range (naix's night vision also 800 range). Somehow, Xboct was able to react to this and rage before the sheep was clicked on him, making Mushi look stupid as it now seems he have forced himself towards all of Na'Vi to get killed. That sealed that game. There were other numerous times where his button-clickingness was so fucking on point. Where many others would've just died and he'd snaprage and live openings of ganks. Ad superfast reactions - wtf how did S4's puck (Game 5) manage to avoid that XBoct's Alchemist stun from invisibility. That was something I didnt get, XBoct was casting the stun standing almost next to him, so it took like what, 0.2s to land? Yet S4 still managed to somehow spot it and dissapear...

That was quite impressive from an overall game-sense/always being aware standpoint but nah it took quite a lot longer than 0.2s from first alchemist spotting to it landing. He was also running through a fairly dangerous/active part of the map where not watching his character and expecting things to happen would be a bit bad. Still cool though.

Also as someone mentioned earlier, that '$800,000 Puck ult' did actually only cancel Puppey's (Enigma) TP, xvoct+funn1k actually were running around almost in circles by the looks of it waiting for s4 to come in only to then TP afterwards. The main thing about that whole situation, as mentioned earlier, was that Dendi didn't have a TP. That seriously possibly cost them the game and was possibly the reason why AdmiralBulldog on the Furion cancelled his teleport back to base to defend rax and just kept pushing - they'd probably noticed that with no TP on Dendi they could likely get two sets of rax for one. Pretty big mistake to make :o(.

On August 12 2013 14:03 DustySwedeDude wrote: Haven't been this excited since watching the World Cup of Soccer 1994. I was 7 then...

You beat Bulgaria 4-0 in the match for 3rd place back then

that game look fun, never saw any vid or anything before ;o

I don't watch/play DotA 2 but I must say for what it's worth, that was an amazing video

I haven't ever played any MOBA's but have thought about it a few times, how hard is the learning curve for DotA 2? Do the noob public games/public games suck in general with random people?

On August 13 2013 11:10 humPah wrote: I haven't ever played any MOBA's but have thought about it a few times, how hard is the learning curve for DotA 2? Do the noob public games/public games suck in general with random people?

You have to try it, 'cause I have friends that didn't like the game at all, didn't find it friendly, but I think is actually quite simple.
Eventough it would be better to play with some friends.

On August 12 2013 20:02 Arirang wrote: Show nested quote + On August 12 2013 17:21 Into Infinity wrote: LD and lumi were the best commentators there navi will never win another international with puppey as their captain. he sucks at drafting and his decision making is terrible. hvost isn't very good either imo. but that game 5 was pretty nuts. the liquid vs LGD.cn game was the best game of the tournament admiralbulldog is way too good, probably was overall the best player in the international. I strongly disagree with most of what you said here. Puppey is still amazing. You don't just end up in finals three times if your support (and leader) sucks. While it's not a bad thing to hold an opinion, I think it's reasonable to give an accomplished player like Puppey a benefit of the doubt instead of saying his draft/decisionmaking sucks. Xboct is an amazing player, incredibly underrated. For what it's worth, even I used to think he wasn't so great. But since this year's TI, I have changed my mind completely. This guy is absolutely incredible. Game 4 could've almost been a turnaround mainly thanks to Xboct, and their victory over Orange came down to Xboct as well. This is when Mushi dies for a third crucial death, where in night time, Mushi's OD forces itself forward to sheep Xboct when rest of Na'Vi were sitting behind him. Sheep is an instant cast, and 800 range (naix's night vision also 800 range). Somehow, Xboct was able to react to this and rage before the sheep was clicked on him, making Mushi look stupid as it now seems he have forced himself towards all of Na'Vi to get killed. That sealed that game. There were other numerous times where his button-clickingness was so fucking on point. Where many others would've just died and he'd snaprage and live openings of ganks.

I strongly agree with disagreeing with what ininity said.

Anyone know how much those dota 2 streamers make per hour (assuming around ~1500 viewers)?

On August 12 2013 20:02 Arirang wrote: Show nested quote + On August 12 2013 17:21 Into Infinity wrote: LD and lumi were the best commentators there navi will never win another international with puppey as their captain. he sucks at drafting and his decision making is terrible. hvost isn't very good either imo. but that game 5 was pretty nuts. the liquid vs LGD.cn game was the best game of the tournament admiralbulldog is way too good, probably was overall the best player in the international. I strongly disagree with most of what you said here. Puppey is still amazing. You don't just end up in finals three times if your support (and leader) sucks. While it's not a bad thing to hold an opinion, I think it's reasonable to give an accomplished player like Puppey a benefit of the doubt instead of saying his draft/decisionmaking sucks. Xboct is an amazing player, incredibly underrated. For what it's worth, even I used to think he wasn't so great. But since this year's TI, I have changed my mind completely. This guy is absolutely incredible. Game 4 could've almost been a turnaround mainly thanks to Xboct, and their victory over Orange came down to Xboct as well. This is when Mushi dies for a third crucial death, where in night time, Mushi's OD forces itself forward to sheep Xboct when rest of Na'Vi were sitting behind him. Sheep is an instant cast, and 800 range (naix's night vision also 800 range). Somehow, Xboct was able to react to this and rage before the sheep was clicked on him, making Mushi look stupid as it now seems he have forced himself towards all of Na'Vi to get killed. That sealed that game. There were other numerous times where his button-clickingness was so fucking on point. Where many others would've just died and he'd snaprage and live openings of ganks.

i think any pro should have reaction times like that (s4 puck came to mind as i was reading this). not to take anything away from the pros, but rage/phase shift/bkb/etc should be automatic with decent game sense.

but there are times where xboct will literally run around in circles if he can't find a stunned target. or he'll dive super deep past towers by himself and lose team fights for na'vi, or chase a support while the enemy carry kills the rest of his team. compared to other 1's, he just isn't impressive.

Game 5 was won by S4's puck. He stopped TPs to defend base/throne TWICE.

On August 13 2013 11:40 gymnast wrote: Show nested quote + On August 13 2013 11:10 humPah wrote: I haven't ever played any MOBA's but have thought about it a few times, how hard is the learning curve for DotA 2? Do the noob public games/public games suck in general with random people? You have to try it, 'cause I have friends that didn't like the game at all, didn't find it friendly, but I think is actually quite simple. Eventough it would be better to play with some friends.

lets say i go play online with random people, im i gona play with people my level or vs good players??

Mostly your level. When you just start playing everyone sucks. They have a match-making system but it has many flaws.

Anyway, best to play in a group with friends I think, otherwise you're gonna end up with idiots saying at start of game 'mid or I feed'. Then they proceed to feed in mid.

k thanks, what about LoL? Which one is better? is it much different!?

dota is like broodwar LoL is like sc2

I been wanting to try dota... but I feel like the end result will be -> spending a ton of time playing , just to feel frustrated every other match (because of bad team, smurfs.. )

probably not worth it.

On August 14 2013 01:34 Rinny wrote: dota is like broodwar LoL is like sc2

Means Dota is really interesting and LoL really sucks ?

On August 14 2013 02:24 k4ir0s wrote: I been wanting to try dota... but I feel like the end result will be -> spending a ton of time playing , just to feel frustrated every other match (because of bad team, smurfs.. ) probably not worth it.

thats pretty much what happens often

Guess I'll have to give it a try, ty for comments

christ lol this makes me want to play dota again

On August 14 2013 10:58 VanDerMeyde wrote: Show nested quote + On August 14 2013 01:34 Rinny wrote: dota is like broodwar LoL is like sc2 Means Dota is really interesting and LoL really sucks ?

yeah what does it mean? :/

dota is so much better than LoL in everything.

On August 14 2013 10:58 VanDerMeyde wrote: Show nested quote + On August 14 2013 01:34 Rinny wrote: dota is like broodwar LoL is like sc2 Means Dota is really interesting and LoL really sucks ?

That about sums it up