LOL@Swedish Health Care

That kinda stuff tilts me to no end.. wp, gl

Sorry to hear about your GFs troubles. From my experience so far the swedish healthcare system has a lot of completely pointless referrals, travelling and waiting. Also met a really aggressive doctor who I suspected was using drugs.

the situation is kinda the same in Hungary. If u use public health care get ready for endless waiting lines and uninterested doctors but at least its free. Obviously private health care is the best but its extremely expensive....

Health cares is a joke. In my experience doctors seem to be made up of robotic sociopaths. I think it's a function of how the education system filters people, it rewards those who study all day and have no life and therefore no social skills. Also there are lot of systems in place where a doctor will get paid more to see 30 patients (regardless of results) compared to actually treat 10-15. The world is in a state where quantity is all that matters, quality has dropped a lot

<3 Private Healthcare

I think a big part of the problem is them being over-worked and under-staffed. Whatever the reason, it's just not working the way it should be.

Last time it was about something non urgent, wanted a hard bump removed. Took me 2 months to get an appointment, got there, he took 2-3min an then we were done, he said it was just a fat collection and it can easily be removed, which I pretty much knew was wrong. Got a new appointment 1 month later. Came to the next appointment and it took 2-3min and he said other guy was wrong, but it's probably nothing serious and he could schedule me for an X-ray if I wanted to. Got a time for 1 month later, they told me they'd give me the results within 2 weeks after the X-ray, almost 4 weeks later I get the results. Yay for them giving me 0 info, me thinking I might have cancer. End result was them not doing what I asked but instead just telling me it's nothing serious aaand it only took 5 months. Well, thanks.

TLDR; contacted them about removing a bump, given the wrong diagnosis, and after 5 months they tell me it's nothing to worry about.

sorry to hear about your gf dusty, hope things workout in the private system and she gets rid of her back pain

On May 13 2013 10:58 barbieman wrote: I think a big part of the problem is them being over-worked and under-staffed. Whatever the reason, it's just not working the way it should be.

This, also the system is fucked up. They should either go completely free of government control (except possibly safety regulations) or keep it completely under government control. This half-assed semi-private but paid for by the government crap is just straight retarded.

On May 13 2013 11:25 Raidern wrote: sorry to hear about your gf dusty, hope things workout in the private system and she gets rid of her back pain

Thanks.

i was looking up costs of healthcare internationally and found this:

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/2...us-compares-with-other-countries.html


healthcare in USA, at least where i live, is very expensive. it costs $500 just to be seen and get a throat culture, and will still have to pay for any prescriptions

with costs of healthcare being so high, there is a strong push for socialized healthcare, in the very same vein as the systems used where you live. '

That's weird:

"They are flexible in responding if they think certain costs are exceeding what they budgeted for. In Japan, if spending in a specific area seems to be growing faster than projected, they lower fees for that area. Similarly, in France an organization called CNMATS closely monitors spending across all kinds of services and if they see a particular area is growing faster than they expected (or deem it in the public interest), they can intervene by lowering the price for that service"

I might be stupid but doesn't this imply that the cost of stuff is not actually the total cost but rather what insurances/private entities pays for it?

Also, considering how it's probably a lot easier to get a doctor to do extra stuff (you can just pay for it if you're uncertain) in US compared to most of the other countries it stands to reason that it'd cost more (they'll do more expensive stuff).

i enjoy the private healthcare option - i have no strong opinion for or against. i like that care is available immediately and nearly immediately if i am able and willing to pay for it.

also, you arent stupid, you are genius.

it is just costs relative to income in the US are very high and there is a limited supply of quality care

Good luck, hope it works out well!

Welcome to socialized anything. :/

Sweden has both public and private practices? That's cool. In Canada we only have public. My father had to go to Korea to get his tumor removed because he had to wait months for it to be removed. And you know, better safe than sorry when it comes to health. Although, I think our local hospital went through a reform in the past year or two. My mother had to go to ER last week and everything was upgraded to be more efficient and better. Lines were moving mega fast, the place was less ghastly and old than I remember, staff was very caring and compassionate. Was dope to see tax dollars at work.

Hope everything is okay man.

also dat "i made 1mil SEK when i was 21" to the receptionist was pretty baller haahahhah

I tought welfare state an 40% income taxes was heaven ! (/sarcasm)

+1 on many doctors sucking

GL to your gf. GJ on getting her X-ray, if pain hasn't got better with physiotherapy and 2 years the odds of it being a muscular problem are very slim, unless its some chronic issue from sitting too much or something.

you can take a course at med school that teaches you to empathize with the patient, unfortunately most doctors think the course is a waste of time.

On May 13 2013 09:46 TalentedTom wrote: Health cares is a joke. In my experience doctors seem to be made up of robotic sociopaths. I think it's a function of how the education system filters people, it rewards those who study all day and have no life and therefore no social skills. Also there are lot of systems in place where a doctor will get paid more to see 30 patients (regardless of results) compared to actually treat 10-15. The world is in a state where quantity is all that matters, quality has dropped a lot

the education system is much worse than that. It is designed to make the world a better place for rich people only. The only reason the education system deems doctor as a legitimate job title is because rich people need doctors and the job doesn't undermine systems of power. Anything that undermines power, like poltical scientist, or philosophy, could threaten the rich and therefore there is very little jobs to be had in that field. And undermining the rich is obviously the only way forward to a civilization that won't self destruct in the next 50 years. (the rich reject scientific theories like gobal warming as well, because it harms their earnings)

You should try to see immigrant doctors in Sweden (any nordic country tbh) if you're using the public healthcare system. Hungary apparently has a very high-quality system of training doctors. They're also really underpaid (again, this is strictly the public health-care system) so they're the #1 target of brain-drain. It's pretty easy to see that our free public healthcare blows ass because only the biggest asshats / retards stay here (barring a few exceptions).

Edit: Forgot to say that best wishes to your gf, hope her back heals. An ongoing problem that started more than a year ago can be bad, but hopefully it's nothing serious.

On May 13 2013 13:20 Gaytrix wrote: Welcome to socialized anything. :/

lol

Gaytrix United States.

United States.

On May 13 2013 15:13 Naib wrote: You should try to see immigrant doctors in Sweden (any nordic country tbh) if you're using the public healthcare system. Hungary apparently has a very high-quality system of training doctors. They're also really underpaid (again, this is strictly the public health-care system) so they're the #1 target of brain-drain. It's pretty easy to see that our free public healthcare blows ass because only the biggest asshats / retards stay here (barring a few exceptions). Edit: Forgot to say that best wishes to your gf, hope her back heals. An ongoing problem that started more than a year ago can be bad, but hopefully it's nothing serious.

GF is actually speaking rather Hungarian fluently. Should try to use that .

Thanks.

Korean healthcare has been, in my somewhat limited experience, fucking amazing.

It's not even expensive, despite me not having Korean insurance... I havent had anything really wrong with me tho, but had my shoulder x-rayed after hurting it somewhat badly in jiu jitsu, been to the dentist, been to emergency room twice (busted eardrum and once cuz I had a blind spot in my eye after MMA practice that turned out to be nothing - they put me through the works tho, had like every eye test ever done to me at 2 am).

Anyway, Korean healthcare is awesome.

My family has less than ideal run-ins with swedish healthcare as well - but I've been mostly spared (mostly because I've never had anything wrong with me while living in Sweden, that I had to question their opinion on). Hope this private clinic employs some more reasonable people!

Oh yeah, dentists. I was back in Sweden for 2 weeks last year and I was told I wouldn't be able to get an appointment with my dentist in that time. In Korea I walked into one one of the 10 different dentists scattered within a 5 min walk, asked for a check-up and was out 30 minutes later.

Hybrid system is the worst system. It creates a two tier system where most politician and powerful people pass rules to defund the public system while themselves using the private paid system. It is true about schools, education, healthcare, food regulation etc. you name it.

I think private schools or healthcare clinics should be banned. You want to pay for a better service at ur local clinic? Then donate to the clinic if u can afford it.

I would not put a doctor and a chiropractor at the same level. There is such a big difference. Now it is not a news that a lot of pains are not directly linked to a specific illness which classical medicine doesn't address.
There is something quite different between public health care and private : the doctor you meet at the hospital won't win more money by conducting more examinations on your girlfriend, which is the case of your chiropractor. Even if there is a lack of empathy, at least you are not seen as a client. And you don't have to agree with a doctor to make him right. (I'm not saying it's the case).

And i'm pretty sure, that the people blaming on public health care for its lack of empathy are the same that criticize it for its lack of "efficiency" and wastes. You even explain quite well how private medicine would be only affordable for rich people.

Even if it sounds stupid, at an hospital, they would take more seriously someone who will explain she has already came and still suffers. By getting back, explaining that she still has her problem, that she already came, she may be better taken care of.

I really do empathize with you or your girlfriend but your reaction blaming on medicine or even the health care system is far from a rational judgement. And I guess it is due to the fact that you can see her suffering, and by reading your blogs it comforts you in your previous liberal ideas.

I hope she gets better.

Obviously our health system has it's drawbacks. But from personal experience and people close to me it's been really good most of the time. Girlfriend fell and broke arm in the middle of the night. Ambulance drove 100km to pick her up. Got x-ray, bandages. Next day we went back to our hometown and we got set up with a specialist. Surgery two days later.

A friend got cancer in one of his testicle. Took like 3 days before they operated. Next week chemo. And now he is doing regulary revisits and will do that for the next 10 (!) years.

Cost of this? Around 100 $ for each of them.

Not everyone has 1 million when they are 21. This is not black and white.

But, you still obviously have the right to complain here when not getting proper treatment.

On May 14 2013 09:02 SpasticInk wrote: Obviously our health system has it's drawbacks. But from personal experience and people close to me it's been really good most of the time. Girlfriend fell and broke arm in the middle of the night. Ambulance drove 100km to pick her up. Got x-ray, bandages. Next day we went back to our hometown and we got set up with a specialist. Surgery two days later. A friend got cancer in one of his testicle. Took like 3 days before they operated. Next week chemo. And now he is doing regulary revisits and will do that for the next 10 (!) years. Cost of this? Around 100 $ for each of them. Not everyone has 1 million when they are 21. This is not black and white. But, you still obviously have the right to complain here when not getting proper treatment.

Not going to trade stories in details but so far our health care system has killed of one of my uncles (doctor "lost some paperwork" and he ended up getting his treatment delayed about 2 months) and one aunt (couldn't figure out what it was except it was obviously not cancer... oh wait.... despite it being the kind of cancer that apparently always happen to people working with hair products, which she did all her life). I think it's highly random if you get something good or bad.

On May 14 2013 02:50 kingpowa wrote: There is something quite different between public health care and private : the doctor you meet at the hospital won't win more money by conducting more examinations on your girlfriend, which is the case of your chiropractor. Even if there is a lack of empathy, at least you are not seen as a client. And you don't have to agree with a doctor to make him right. (I'm not saying it's the case). And i'm pretty sure, that the people blaming on public health care for its lack of empathy are the same that criticize it for its lack of "efficiency" and wastes. You even explain quite well how private medicine would be only affordable for rich people. Even if it sounds stupid, at an hospital, they would take more seriously someone who will explain she has already came and still suffers. By getting back, explaining that she still has her problem, that she already came, she may be better taken care of. I really do empathize with you or your girlfriend but your reaction blaming on medicine or even the health care system is far from a rational judgement. And I guess it is due to the fact that you can see her suffering, and by reading your blogs it comforts you in your previous liberal ideas. I hope she gets better.

I want to be seen as a client, that way they'll have to convince me that they'll actually doing something useful to get paid. The chiropractors actually help a little bit, but only for a week or two at a time and then they'll have to it over again to keep the gains. This is obviously expensive and annoying, but it's far better then anything a doctor has managed so far.

I do not explain how private medicine is only affordable for rich people. My stories explains how good medicine is only affordable for rich people in the Swedish system. If I wasn't rich enough to spend a few K USD my girlfriend would be doomed to live with her back pain for the rest of her life. Since I have the money to spend on this at least we have hope that it'll get better.

On May 14 2013 01:44 capaneo wrote: Hybrid system is the worst system. It creates a two tier system where most politician and powerful people pass rules to defund the public system while themselves using the private paid system. It is true about schools, education, healthcare, food regulation etc. you name it. I think private schools or healthcare clinics should be banned. You want to pay for a better service at ur local clinic? Then donate to the clinic if u can afford it.

That's my point. Except I think we should go all private instead putting it all under government control. This stupid system we have no fucks over everyone that can't pay for private care and there's no incentive for politicians and others to fix it. If I did not have a lot of money I have no idea how I'd be able to fix this situation.

healthcare is a basic human right. Why privatize it when only a certain amount of people could afford it... Unless everyone has enough money to pay for private education/school then it is stupid to privatize it, because that weakens the poor and stops them from contributing to society, as well as attacking their basic human right.

Also, don't see how anything with its #1 goal to maximize profits can even be considered to have greater empathy.

On May 14 2013 11:32 DustySwedeDude wrote: Show nested quote + On May 14 2013 02:50 kingpowa wrote: There is something quite different between public health care and private : the doctor you meet at the hospital won't win more money by conducting more examinations on your girlfriend, which is the case of your chiropractor. Even if there is a lack of empathy, at least you are not seen as a client. And you don't have to agree with a doctor to make him right. (I'm not saying it's the case). And i'm pretty sure, that the people blaming on public health care for its lack of empathy are the same that criticize it for its lack of "efficiency" and wastes. You even explain quite well how private medicine would be only affordable for rich people. Even if it sounds stupid, at an hospital, they would take more seriously someone who will explain she has already came and still suffers. By getting back, explaining that she still has her problem, that she already came, she may be better taken care of. I really do empathize with you or your girlfriend but your reaction blaming on medicine or even the health care system is far from a rational judgement. And I guess it is due to the fact that you can see her suffering, and by reading your blogs it comforts you in your previous liberal ideas. I hope she gets better. I want to be seen as a client, that way they'll have to convince me that they'll actually doing something useful to get paid.

But you don't have the knowledge to understand it. It's better to acknowledge this point, instead of seeking for an explanation where you won't find any.
I understand that you are a liberal, and you know better than me that the correct sharing of the information (dunno the correct term) is a crucial base of it. In this case, the parties (you the so called client, and doctors) don't have the same information. You are not in a position to "choose" the best one based on the information you have.

I might not be, but given some time different doctors will get different reputations and that will help a lot. I don't have any knowledge about cars either, but give me 30 minutes with google and I'll find out the specs and reputation of whatever car I want to buy (in fact, I spent a few hours last time, but you get the point).

In this case it took the private doctor about 30 minutes to figure out where in the back the problem was located, and told us that it was either old scare tissue from an old slipped disc or that a disc had kind of gotten slightly damaged (Swedish term made sense, not sure how to translate it). She'll get an MRI to figure out exactly what the problem is and while it might be hard to fix, it'll at least made sure that physiotherapists and such can give her good training programs.

Now we have some decent hope that she'll get better. Without private health care we wouldn't have that.