Men's Rights (lol)

Sucks to be a beta male in the USA nowadays.

Get married to a woman who has to settle down after no more alphas are interested in pumping and dumping her and then I believe a woman can cheat, file for divorce and still take half the guy's shit along with the children (if she simply accuses the guy of domestic abuse).

Not particularly great for alphas as well because of the ease of false rape accusations. Rape is now defined so loosely you almost have to sign a contract before you get to the act.

And ironically feminism isn't that great for women either. Nowadays they are expected to be able to juggle being a career girl and children and also possibly when being a single parent. But still they aren't really ever single because the sugar daddy government becomes their husbands. They are free to fuck around and the tax payers will pick up the tab.

Some recommended reading:
http://captaincapitalism.blogspot.com/
http://heartiste.wordpress.com/
http://outcastsuperstar.blogspot.com/

This shit drives me nuts. So many people are just waiting to discount any of my success just because I'm a white male. It's more feminism than it is equality.

i don't know.

I'm thankful everyday that i am a white male; has always made life exceedingly easy

ya its so ridiculous how badly men get the short end of the stick in today's society....

http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2012/0...en-divorce-and-misleading-statistics/

white male =ez mode.

Just cause some shit is getting dumb doesnt mean being white and male isnt by ffar the easiest starting character class

^^ lol

On December 01 2012 16:08 TianYuan wrote: Just cause some shit is getting dumb doesnt mean being white and male isnt by ffar the easiest starting character class

I'd rather keep this topic about Male/Female period rather than further breaking it down into skin color.

I'm also not saying that 'white male' is life hard mode, I'm saying that there are pretty convincing arguments that perhaps there needs to be more attention being paid to men in general.

The rate of fatherless homes is only increasing, and with it so is the prison population, homelessness, and other things.

Maybe they are related, maybe they aren't, but I think it deserves more study for sure.

Dan Carlins Hardcore History is fucking incredible, even if you aren't a big fan of history. I wasn't, but I still love the shit out of his podcasts.

He also has a political podcast called Common Sense which is also pretty good.

Also Kevin Pereira, one of Joe Rogans guests has a podcast now. He's pretty awesome and his podcast is pretty good.

On December 01 2012 16:43 nolan wrote: Show nested quote + On December 01 2012 16:08 TianYuan wrote: Just cause some shit is getting dumb doesnt mean being white and male isnt by ffar the easiest starting character class I'd rather keep this topic about Male/Female period rather than further breaking it down into skin color. I'm also not saying that 'white male' is life hard mode, I'm saying that there are pretty convincing arguments that perhaps there needs to be more attention being paid to men in general. The rate of fatherless homes is only increasing, and with it so is the prison population, homelessness, and other things. Maybe they are related, maybe they aren't, but I think it deserves more study for sure.

prisons are a business, it's like modern day slavery. You can put lots of people in prison and and get lots of cheap labor out of it. Anyway, that's what's happening in america.

noam chomsky has said quite a bit on prisons in america.

hardly uninteresting, and i agree completely.
will def watch those videos soon.

as for podcasts, it's really hard to find some solid, consistent podcasts. I hate joe rogan's podcast but I think adam corrola's is entertaining.

i know you don't torrent, but if you have a chance, download "Outliers" or "Freakonomics" audio books and buy them later if you haven't read them. Definitely road trip worthy material as it keeps u engaged and forces you to think.

alot of those sam harris videos are entertaining as well as richard dawkins.

thoguth their video on morals through science was fantastic

There are serious issues related to being male yes but it seems like men's rights people are generally more interested in denying the issues that women face and hating feminism.

I read about that thing at UofT that you described in the varsity (UofT student paper) and found myself sympathetic with this guy on a few points - male mortality rates and boys' education are both disadvantages to being a man. But then he loses the plot imo and starts talking about how date rape isn't a thing and how women can just go "o i got raped" if they feel like being cruel, which is obvious misogynist bullshit and completely misses the point that rape and in particular date rape is a very serious threat facing women much moreso than men.

All kids live full-time with the father by their own choice. The father still has to pay full child support to mother. The mother retires early on the extra money.

Men's rights, lol.

On December 01 2012 21:43 TheLink wrote: All kids live full-time with the father by their own choice. The father still has to pay full child support to mother. The mother retires early on the extra money. Men's rights, lol.

Don't think anyone would disagree that that's pretty shitty but also doubt that's an accurate description of what's going on

On December 01 2012 21:33 KoeBawlt wrote: There are serious issues related to being male yes but it seems like men's rights people are generally more interested in denying the issues that women face and hating feminism. I read about that thing at UofT that you described in the varsity (UofT student paper) and found myself sympathetic with this guy on a few points - male mortality rates and boys' education are both disadvantages to being a man. But then he loses the plot imo and starts talking about how date rape isn't a thing and how women can just go "o i got raped" if they feel like being cruel, which is obvious misogynist bullshit and completely misses the point that rape and in particular date rape is a very serious threat facing women much moreso than men.

I was hoping someone from the Toronto/Canada area could comment. Most of the info I come across via google seems mega biased in one direction or the other so I was curious as to what the consensus in Canada seemed to be.

Unfortunately, perhaps an effect of US media, but I am inclined to disagree with regards to 'o i got raped' not being a real issue. Lately a huge news story has been the Brian Banks case and how literally a dumbass teenage girl 'oh yeah? well im gonna tell police u raped me' potentially prevented a guy from becoming a millionaire football player

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/may/24/sports/la-sp-brian-banks-20120524

Duke Lacrosse case etc. etc.

There actually is a surprisingly large volume of cases where men are falsely accused of rape in the US and there lives are more or less ruined because of it. Whether this is media exaggeration or not is up to debate but it seems to be enough of an issue to warrant discussion. (imo of course).

just felt like mentioning to this day im surprised the duke lacrosse case didnt get more attention once it was proven their accuser was an ultimate nut job who later murdered her boyfriend.

those 3 guys and realistically the entire lacrosse team had their lives effectively ruined cause of some asshole, and it seems like it was all collectively swept under the rug

On December 01 2012 23:11 nolan wrote: Show nested quote + On December 01 2012 21:33 KoeBawlt wrote: There are serious issues related to being male yes but it seems like men's rights people are generally more interested in denying the issues that women face and hating feminism. I read about that thing at UofT that you described in the varsity (UofT student paper) and found myself sympathetic with this guy on a few points - male mortality rates and boys' education are both disadvantages to being a man. But then he loses the plot imo and starts talking about how date rape isn't a thing and how women can just go "o i got raped" if they feel like being cruel, which is obvious misogynist bullshit and completely misses the point that rape and in particular date rape is a very serious threat facing women much moreso than men. I was hoping someone from the Toronto/Canada area could comment. Most of the info I come across via google seems mega biased in one direction or the other so I was curious as to what the consensus in Canada seemed to be. Unfortunately, perhaps an effect of US media, but I am inclined to disagree with regards to 'o i got raped' not being a real issue. Lately a huge news story has been the Brian Banks case and how literally a dumbass teenage girl 'oh yeah? well im gonna tell police u raped me' potentially prevented a guy from becoming a millionaire football player http://articles.latimes.com/2012/may/24/sports/la-sp-brian-banks-20120524 Duke Lacrosse case etc. etc. There actually is a surprisingly large volume of cases where men are falsely accused of rape in the US and there lives are more or less ruined because of it. Whether this is media exaggeration or not is up to debate but it seems to be enough of an issue to warrant discussion. (imo of course).

That's a really sad story

It's a terrible thing that men are falsely accused of rape, and I don't doubt there are many examples of it, but I don't think it's a serious concern for the vast majority of men. Futhermore, I think a lot of the talk that goes on when discussing false accusations of rape is that it ignores real rapes that happen, and happen with much greater frequency. Some study I saw on wikipedia puts the rate of false accusations at 3%. Obviously 3% too many but on the other hand it's 97% too many rapes. This study suggests that for every man falsely accused of rape there are 32 women who have been raped and have reporeted it (there is a huge number of rapes that go unreported). Also there's a lot of literature about the difficulties and obstacles (institutional and social) that many women face when trying to report a rape and bring the rapist to justice (and there is a lack of confidence in the justice system for bringing rapists to justice, and also a great fear of the social repercussions for letting it be public information that the rape happened, both of which lead to the huge number of unreported rapes).

I think it's also a very scary idea for most men to be accused falsely of a rape. But for most men it will never happen. In that way I think that a lot of men's rights activists are actively scare mongering with regards to this both by over stating the possibility of being falsely accused of rape and then also fostering a mistrust of women in general.


-e- also you mention that in these cases of false accusations of rape the men often have their lives ruined, but keep in mind that in cases of rape the women often have their lives ruined.

I guess at the end of the day we're both 'right' in a sense.

My prospective sort of comes (I have a somewhat politics/law background educationally speaking) from a due process standpoint. Effectively, I am bothered by the fact that when someone accuses another of rape the accused name is permitted to be published but often time the accuser is not.

Generally speaking, I think its fair to say that the AVERAGE person would immediately presume someone who is accused is guilty. For example, numerous players on the Duke Lacrosse team (even some who weren't even present at the party that spurred the false accusation) received failing grades from their professors in certain classes despite their claims that they did all work acceptably.

Obviously, someone who is raped and can't get their attacker punished for whatever the reason is have their lives turned upside down, but at the same time they do have women's shelters and other programs to at least give them counseling and assistance. There are far less psychiatrists and public interest groups looking to treat the falsely accused.

In a way I'm sort of playing devil's advocate, and I certainly don't mean to diminish the pain of a victim of sexual assault, but rather I think it's fair to say that falsely accused men are in a unique situation where the average person would not want to touch them with a ten foot pole and would probably deal with much the same feelings and emotions as a traditional rape victim would without access to outlets to ease their pain.

Either way, I can't be for sure as I haven't been on either side of this situation. Regardless, at present I think it is fair to say that we do live in a society (in North America at least) where the simple act of a woman telling an authority figure that you raped her would result in loss of income, reputation, and serious mental anguish, and in many states this would not have any negative repercussions for the false accuser whatsoever.

On December 02 2012 00:00 nolan wrote: I guess at the end of the day we're both 'right' in a sense. My prospective sort of comes (I have a somewhat politics/law background educationally speaking) from a due process standpoint. Effectively, I am bothered by the fact that when someone accuses another of rape the accused name is permitted to be published but often time the accuser is not. Generally speaking, I think its fair to say that the AVERAGE person would immediately presume someone who is accused is guilty. For example, numerous players on the Duke Lacrosse team (even some who weren't even present at the party that spurred the false accusation) received failing grades from their professors in certain classes despite their claims that they did all work acceptably.

I think that in well publicized cases the accused is often assumed guilty. I also think that this is a common thing when cases are heavily publicized, like in the Duke lacrosse case. However like I said there is huge social pressure against women bringing forth cases of rape, and it often times takes the form of doubt, mistrust directed at the woman who is making the case. There is a lot of literature about women who bring accuse men in their social circles of rape (as is often the case since the vast majority of rapes are committed by friends or acquaintances) the men are protected and the women are ostracized. The same thing happens in cases of sexual assault.

Obviously, someone who is raped and can't get their attacker punished for whatever the reason is have their lives turned upside down, but at the same time they do have women's shelters and other programs to at least give them counseling and assistance. There are far less psychiatrists and public interest groups looking to treat the falsely accused. In a way I'm sort of playing devil's advocate, and I certainly don't mean to diminish the pain of a victim of sexual assault, but rather I think it's fair to say that falsely accused men are in a unique situation where the average person would not want to touch them with a ten foot pole and would probably deal with much the same feelings and emotions as a traditional rape victim would without access to outlets to ease their pain. Either way, I can't be for sure as I haven't been on either side of this situation. Regardless, at present I think it is fair to say that we do live in a society (in North America at least) where the simple act of a woman telling an authority figure that you raped her would result in loss of income, reputation, and serious mental anguish, and in many states this would not have any negative repercussions for the false accuser whatsoever.

I don't think men accused of rape are in that unique of a situation. Women who are raped carry it with them for their life and deal with it to varying degrees. People will see them as "damaged goods" or deny the significance of their rape and suggest they just get over it and not understand if they can't. I downright deny that the feelings men feel after being falsely accused are the same as a woman who has been raped, though I am sure it's a terrible feeling.

I'd like to point out that the last paragraph you wrote can have "men being falsely accused of rape" replaced with "women who have been raped" and be just as true, but for a much greater number of women.

-e- it seems to me that the solution to a problem that men don't have psychological support after being falsely accused of a rape is a more robust and accessible public mental health system.

I'd like to say that I'm not trying to argue that rape is a worse thing than false accusations of rape, but instead that rape is an incredibly real issue and is often ignored. 15% of college women are raped. Why is this not a headline every week?

Well put.

High five for us not being internet douchebags to eachother and discussing things in a civil manner.

-e- about podcasts two that i like a lot are Throwing Shade and My Brother My Brother and Me.

Both are comedy shows, first is about women's and gay issues second is generic advice. Both are i guess irreverent comedy I guess? They're kind of improv and often quite absurd