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qwerty67890   New Zealand. Nov 10 2012 07:22. Posts 14026


  On November 09 2012 05:49 RaiNKhAN wrote:
I am definitely PRO-guns. Most of u guys dont live here so you will never experience robbery but things get worse every year and these fuckers are fucking animals.



From what i remember of the story you told me, whilst sympathetic that it must have fucking sucked, the guns were of little to no benefit in the long run and the same result would have occurred without them and would probably would have put you in less danger.

The chances of wh00sel ending up in the same situation are minimal based on the circumstances that caused your situation to arise.


HeRoS)eNGagE   Canada. Nov 10 2012 11:49. Posts 10896

also an alarm for your house could be smarter? :O


the cleaner   Germany. Nov 10 2012 13:44. Posts 3014

I would never consider owning a gun if I would live in a country with little crime. But Venezuela is among the most violent countries in the world. As I mentioned earlier, I was always against the idea of owning a gun, thinking that it probably could do more harm then good. I was always the type of person who thinks that most situation can be avoided. I used to do some pool hustling as a teenager, in some pretty shady places, and when you play for money I would often get into arguments, but was always able to talk my way out of it and never got into a fight, even though some of those situation where pretty bad. I did some martial arts as a teenager, not to much, but you know they try and teach you to avoid violence. My father, being a hunter has always had many guns at home, and when we lived on a sailing yacht he used to sleep with a 357 under his pillow. So you can say that I was raised thinking owning a gun is the way to go, but I formed my own opinion about it.

I've had some bad experiences, like having my car stolen when I was 17 by 3 guys and having a gun pointed to my head for like 30min, till they let me go in some remote area, and another robbery at gunpoint, as well as other people pulling a gun on me another couple of times. Despite these experiences I was still against owning a gun, mainly because I think a gun wouldn't have made a difference in any of these situations.

Land is very cheap here, and about 15 years ago, my parents bought some land in Venezuela. Really beautiful place with 2 rivers, nature, hunting. They had to make a better road, so they bought an old caterpillar bulldozer and lived in a tent while making the preparation to build a house. One day when they where returning from a nearby village the dog started barking while they where getting out of the car and at the same moment 2 guys with mask came out of some nearby bushes and said now you are fucked old man and started lifting a shotgun to my father about 5 meters away and taking aim. They pretty much ignored my mother completely cause they likely didn't see any threat in her. Little they knew that my mother was carrying the smith & wesson 357. she started shooting and besides having practice with hand guns, was so nervous that she didn't hit them. A fraction of a second later the guy fired the shotgun, but the bullets only damaged my fathers jacket and one little graze to the flesh. The guy would have never missed with the shotgun at that range, unless my mother hadn't shot. they dived into the bushes and my parents where able to get into the car and to the police. when they returned the villains had burned down all the equipment and torched the dozer. My parents wanted to retire in that area, but after that incident sold the land and went back to Germany.

In Venezuela the criminals have become very unscrupulous, and you hear many stories about people getting murder t despite not putting up resistance. A neighbor, and old couple got killed a couple of years ago, and I know which was the gang (well it was more like organized crime) who did it and how it happened. The boss of the gang was a neighbor and a sister in law went to school with a girl who was one of the members long time girlfriend. The old couple had all kind of security and alarm systems in their house, but this gang was specialized, since they stole banks, armored cars, atms (i know sounds like from a movie doesn't it ?). Besides being violent they where pretty smart guys, probably the reason that the bosses where in the mid thirties and haven't been killed before. They used to take a kid along some of the robberies who was specialized in opening all kind of locks. this kid was a crackhead, and during the robbery freaked out and cut the old couples throat. The whole gang was killed a couple of months later by some special intelligence police send from Caracas. And ironically the crackhead who killed the couple wasn't killed by them. I'm sure it wouldn't have made any difference if they where carrying guns.

So my point is that there are situations, places where owning a gun for protection is better. You could argue, that it's better to avoid these places altogether, and I think you are right. Actually I'm working on that and hope to find some nice country in the future and move there.

I still think that a lot of people only buy guns to feel better about themselves, and if I would buy a gun I would keep it as secret as possible, not even telling relatives about it to avoid gossip. Also training is essential for the correct handling mindset.

there are no facts only interpretationsLast edit: 10/11/2012 14:08

HeRoS)eNGagE   Canada. Nov 10 2012 15:29. Posts 10896

^omg...

Canada ho Canada i love you Canada


Graisseux   Canada. Nov 11 2012 00:52. Posts 474

I'm seriously freaked out by this thread haha.

I've been robbed once at home and my car has been destroyed three times already, also I've been beaten up and sent to hospital a few years ago by 3 stupids in the middle of the night who wanted my cash and weed... Yet I haven't gone totally paranoid lol.

You guys need pills not guns, don't live with that anxiety, what the hell.

If normal people like you feel like killing people you don't even know is a good idea, I don't want to meet your crazies...

 Last edit: 11/11/2012 01:07

Funktion   Australia. Nov 11 2012 10:44. Posts 1638

I grew up around guns because I had a lot of country friends (used for hunting and pest control). In my experience all of these kids from years ago were far more responsible with guns than most adults I meet today who handle guns (and/or crossbows) and did not get safety drilled into (or slapped into) their heads when there were young. I've seen otherwise intelligent, well educated adults swinging guns around in a rambo impression to pointing loaded crossbows at people because they are absent mindedly having a conversation.

Unless you are a farmer I see almost no upside for owning a gun especially with a child in the house. For the kids I grew up with guns were part of their family's way of life, they are just a tool with no particular appeal because they are out and around all the time. There were no scenarios of waiting for the parents to go out so they can play with the mystery box or role play being a bad ass by holding the gun. If we wanted to use the guns, we finished school and could then go shooting around the farm. In a suburb that won't be happening and it doesn't sound like there will be daily/weekly excursions to the range. If I was a parent this would always be rolling around in the back of my mind.

Besides if you do get robbed your adrenaline is going to go through the roof, your hands will be so jittery that you won't even be able to load the gun and by the time you bumble around in the dark you'll of alerted the burglars and they'll be gone. Never mind that you're probably more likely to just be held up if your unarmed rather than shot if you're carrying.


thewh00sel    United States. Nov 14 2012 23:31. Posts 2734

Niggas don't rob me they now I'm down to die for my chain. G UNIT

A government is the most dangerous threat to man’s rights: it holds a legal monopoly on the use of physical force against legally disarmed victims. - Ayn Rand 

DhakhaR   United Kingdom. Nov 23 2012 14:43. Posts 189

What you need is a suicide vest. Nobody messes with you when you've got your thumb on the button, gun or no gun.


 
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