I'm pretty much where you are at too irt to faith and existence although slightly different in regards to meaning and freedom.
to sum it up:
we don't exist, then we do, then we don't BUT everyone IS free to choose their own meaning in life and free to choose how they want to live it (with in the confines of the chaotic universe we live in). Do you agree with this? If not I would be interested to see why not.
On June 10 2012 10:05 D_smart_S wrote:
a few months later my research has found enough evidence for me to conclude that the theory is true. It taught me a huge lesson: Always consider the possibility that you are wrong no matter how sure you are of the opposite ..
I wish one of your guys had children if I could kick them in the fucking head or stomp on their testicles so you can feel my pain because thats the pain I have waking up everyday -- Mike Tyson
Very interesting talk with David Icke @ Oxford Union, just watch the first 15 minutes. After that I think most of you will be interested in watching the rest. Give it a try guys.
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YoMeR United States. Jun 10 2012 14:54. Posts 12435
On June 09 2012 22:06 Loco wrote:
"I do it for research I don't prescribe to a movement such as zeitgeist and I get many different ideas from the many people." Simple rationalization. You can't really know what you do it for, most of our motivations are unknown to us, but we are good at rationalizing them.
The very fact that you tend towards ideas that make you some kind of an underdog that has something to accomplish in this world says it all. "Break free from this" and "Awaken to your true self" -- all this kind of talk is nauseating and serves no "higher purpose". You were fucked the minute you were born because you are an insatiable animal who cannot bear the fact that he leads a meaningless existence and will one day die. Even the worst conspiracy theory is more comforting than the truth of that.
Why is mankind intrinsically good in its nature? Is not its nature duality, and evil born of duality?
why are so many smart philosophers so pessimistic about life in general? What do you see in the world that makes everything so shitty and hopeless? Sure there's a ton of shit in the world and the human condition is incurable but I feel there's enough good to even out a lot of the bad.
eZ Life.
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YoMeR United States. Jun 10 2012 14:59. Posts 12435
Surely there's things or forces in your life that give you direction, joy, and meaning other than the bare primal drives like eat/sleep/fuck/etc (although they are indeed all quite amazing)
Lp is good that way, High master thinkers (Loco), can write posts, and share with Low Gold (tutz) and mid silver (dsmart) thinkers how shit work, and we're able to co-exist n stuff.
Yay
(I feel I should contribute, so, uhm... Drink sum water before your first meal when you wake).
Even though we might share some point of views, I dont appreciate that you come here on my blog to offend others, be rude and call them sheep like if you are a better human beings than they are as if because you have info that they apparently dont and came to some conclusions therefore you are enlighted and smart and they are dumb sheep.
Everybody experience life in different ways and we have to respect that. As human beings our goal shouldn't be anything but to evolve together.
Dont be hostile, be friendly.
Dont judge, understand.
Can you express your opnions without trying to offend others? Try to do that. What if you are wrong? What are you gonna do about all these people that you offended and called sheep? Say I'm sorry?
This is an amazing journey, life. One day I might look back at this and laugh at myself for believing all this, or not. I dont know yet. I will keep looking, I will improve my understand of the world, I will read better books, I will have a better critical thinking, I will evolve. As of right now I cant agree with most people posting here, I have to be true to that.
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palak United States. Jun 10 2012 19:02. Posts 4601
On June 10 2012 01:31 tutz wrote:
To SakiSaki:
Man I'm sorry but I can't do that. It is not that I dont want to convince you, I really do, but I know how all this is gonna go at the moment I assert anything about this: people are gonna start to put me down, "prove this" you will say, "what about this this and that" you will ask. And I can't prove any or or give enough evidence even for a brain like mine to believe in all this with just a few written lines. I would guess that to make most of the people to even start considering new posibilities I would need maybe 20 or 30 hours of their time at least? Maybe more. It is such a deep theory, how can you expect me to make you interested in a crazy theory like this that can potentialy change your life with just a few lines? I can't. I can totally see someone going through, let's say, 100 hours of videos and 1000 pages of books and in the end of all of it go like: "I dont see enough evidence for it yet" or some other similar thought process. I admire that. I consider myself a skeptical to a degree, but each of us process this data it its own way. Myself? I'm convinced. I might be wrong, for sure. But at the moment I dont think I am. I experienced this information in a way it makes a lot of sense to me.
PM the response then (to me at least). Any theory or idea worth while can be summed up easily in a few key points and a dozen or so sentences.
dont tap the glass...im about ready to take a fucking hammer to the aquarium
I'm pretty much where you are at too irt to faith and existence although slightly different in regards to meaning and freedom.
to sum it up:
we don't exist, then we do, then we don't BUT everyone IS free to choose their own meaning in life and free to choose how they want to live it (with in the confines of the chaotic universe we live in). Do you agree with this? If not I would be interested to see why not.
I can look at it from different perspectives to this day but what I have found true is that all ideas of man being actually truly free are false. The only true freedom there is is a Buddha's freedom, where 'you' have died in life. Sartre's "man is condemned to be free" has truth to it but is only relevant and true in the context that he proposes, while the actual saying implies that man is free which is problematic. Of course it is up to you to give life a meaning, but how does that constitute freedom? How much of our actions are actually free? Do you have a choice in finding meaning? In finding certain things more meaningful than others, did you will it so? Clearly not, so I find it too problematic to use such language. On the other hand, I much rather use Merleau-Ponty's saying which says that we are "condemned to meaning", which fully removes the idea of freedom.
“Everything is determined…by forces over which we have no control. It is determined for the insect as well as for the star. Human beings, vegetables, or cosmic dust—we all dance to a mysterious tune, intoned in the distance by an invisible piper.”
—Albert Einstein
fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccount
On June 09 2012 22:06 Loco wrote:
"I do it for research I don't prescribe to a movement such as zeitgeist and I get many different ideas from the many people." Simple rationalization. You can't really know what you do it for, most of our motivations are unknown to us, but we are good at rationalizing them.
The very fact that you tend towards ideas that make you some kind of an underdog that has something to accomplish in this world says it all. "Break free from this" and "Awaken to your true self" -- all this kind of talk is nauseating and serves no "higher purpose". You were fucked the minute you were born because you are an insatiable animal who cannot bear the fact that he leads a meaningless existence and will one day die. Even the worst conspiracy theory is more comforting than the truth of that.
Why is mankind intrinsically good in its nature? Is not its nature duality, and evil born of duality?
why are so many smart philosophers so pessimistic about life in general? What do you see in the world that makes everything so shitty and hopeless? Sure there's a ton of shit in the world and the human condition is incurable but I feel there's enough good to even out a lot of the bad.
There is no simple answer to these questions. Ignorance is bliss, we start as innocent children and the more we find out about the world, our origins, our inner workings, what we are capable of when our will is thwarted, etc., the bleaker the picture gets. It is not even about 'the world' per say, not even about observations of current world affairs, though themselves are good enough proof and reminder that we human beings suck. World history is a history of evil.
I think better questions are: what hope is there to have? Are we accomplishing something here? Have we improved this planet by being here? Is our existence necessary? Do you believe in a teleological world? That is, that we are all on a trajectory with a final cause? When you don't believe (as the religious) that life is driven by design, then your hope rests on mankind's ability to .... be other than itself? To overcome itself?
But, realistically, how can you draw a nice picture of a never-ending bloodbath where animals have been running around eating each others for no reason at all - simply because of some chemical accident that occured some billions of years ago?
I think the label 'pessimism' in many ways misses the mark. It's not that everything is shit, which is what comes to mind, but it's linked to a whole system of thought and philosophical inquiry/history. The base of which the thinker does not believe in the idea of Progress (other than technological progress, but which can never save humanity of itself). Philosophical pessimism is, I believe, just another term for realism. It is just that when the blinkers are off the response that follows is a negative one. All philosophical pessimists are of course capable of enjoying things even though their mind has come to the conclusion that it would have probably better been that mankind never came to exist.
fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccount
I'm pretty much where you are at too irt to faith and existence although slightly different in regards to meaning and freedom.
to sum it up:
we don't exist, then we do, then we don't BUT everyone IS free to choose their own meaning in life and free to choose how they want to live it (with in the confines of the chaotic universe we live in). Do you agree with this? If not I would be interested to see why not.
I can look at it from different perspectives to this day but what I have found true is that all ideas of man being actually truly free are false. The only true freedom there is is a Buddha's freedom, where 'you' have died in life. Sartre's "man is condemned to be free" has truth to it but is only relevant and true in the context that he proposes, while the actual saying implies that man is free which is problematic. Of course it is up to you to give life a meaning, but how does that constitute freedom? How much of our actions are actually free? Do you have a choice in finding meaning? In finding certain things more meaningful than others, did you will it so? Clearly not, so I find it too problematic to use such language. On the other hand, I much rather use Merleau-Ponty's saying which says that we are "condemned to meaning", which fully removes the idea of freedom.
“Everything is determined…by forces over which we have no control. It is determined for the insect as well as for the star. Human beings, vegetables, or cosmic dust—we all dance to a mysterious tune, intoned in the distance by an invisible piper.”
—Albert Einstein
haha, actually i am the same way too which is why i like to discuss it.
just read "no exit" by sartre and it's funny b/c from such a champion of individual freedom and choice it paints a pretty opposite picture like you were saying even if we have total freedom with in the confines of the universe you then have to add on the complete loss of freedom when under the gaze of the other.
hell is other people, etc.
i still stay optimistic in that all you have to do is change the channel or ride a different ride. i don't think anyone has been depressed during the climax (or occupied with/losing themselves in/approaching climax) of a fascinating sex, fascinating book, fascinating song, fascinating meal, etc.
add on never doing anything to be ashamed of and doing the best you can to take actions based in virtue and while it may or may not be rationalizing, this thing called life, the human condition, existing is probably a whole lot smoother. there will always be strikes and gutters but with personal responsibility, dignity and self respect it's reasonable to say anyone can manage their life for a larger profit in strikes.
Even though we might share some point of views, I dont appreciate that you come here on my blog to offend others, be rude and call them sheep like if you are a better human beings than they are as if because you have info that they apparently dont and came to some conclusions therefore you are enlighted and smart and they are dumb sheep.
Everybody experience life in different ways and we have to respect that. As human beings our goal shouldn't be anything but to evolve together.
Dont be hostile, be friendly.
Dont judge, understand.
Can you express your opnions without trying to offend others? Try to do that. What if you are wrong? What are you gonna do about all these people that you offended and called sheep? Say I'm sorry?
This is an amazing journey, life. One day I might look back at this and laugh at myself for believing all this, or not. I dont know yet. I will keep looking, I will improve my understand of the world, I will read better books, I will have a better critical thinking, I will evolve. As of right now I cant agree with most people posting here, I have to be true to that.
yea, i have to write more politely but you can check the attitude towards me too. I always start neutral until the trololo becomes too much and i reflect that with harsh posts. But yeah, you are right that I should try be calmer at times, thanks for saying that. Peace. Btw, i would expect you as a braziliam to be more aggressive. Whenever I played Carom 3D i got some nasty brazilian with some nasty attitude spewing random shit at me. Something about "merda" and "de puta madre" lol.
PS: answer my pm pls
Zep: When I said I feel obligated to troll, it was a figure of speech
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