This is the matrix

so you've started taking yaba

no, 100% clean
100% serious

i'm imagining your cat tripping out while watching you type this

... So long as man is protected by madness, he functions and flourishes, but when he frees himself from the fruitful tyranny of fixed ideas, he is lost, ruined.

Since all your posts are about new-age conspiracy delusional garbage, let me offer some balance with some of the most lucid writings of all time.

i'll take the blue pill, thanks.

haha the red pill is doing its job. Once you enter the rabbit hole, there is no turning back. Only truth.

On June 09 2012 06:00 D_smart_S wrote: haha the red pill is doing its job. Once you enter the rabbit hole, there is no turning back. Only true believing.

Fixed your post.

bath salts

Most of humanity in this day and age is trapped in base consciousness and left brain imbalance.
It is important to understand what the square means in the occult look at police emblems and you will see the 8 pointed star which is two squares together inside this you can outline the octagon all of this represents base consciousness. The checkered floor they put it around the crown chakra and the star on the third eye.

University graduation hats. Dog tags representing the bestial. The us hats are octagonal shaped.
Officer/ Off eye seer
Soldier/ Soul dier
sorry to hijack the thread but watch this former priest in the satanic church explains this:
http://blip.tv/whatonearth93/what-on-earth-is-happening-part-1-of-4-3065025

Shorter version only about police and military symbolism.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvNabovREvg

great stuff loco, thanks!
you so should check my new-age delusional crap though

After the red pill, the real test is the red fruit punch, that's all the truth you need there

from your other blog post, i think this post pretty much says it all

On May 31 2012 09:15 tapatapaz wrote: as someone who has in the past spent a lot of time going through this stuff but nowadays can only feel pity, i can say that this is a very normal thing for a weak mind to get attached to. the pattern i see is that whenever i would start thinking about the future and life with this perspective, it corresponded that i would be in stagnation as a human being, not producing anything of value and, whats worse, would refrain myself from making long term goals (because of the 'bleak future') and would have this vicious cycle where i would be even less productive. man, the level here is that you think you are 'awaken' but in reality this is just a 'dooms day prophet' mechanism blown out of proportion because of the internet. i suggest you do some research to conclude that since the beginning of time there have been people, to their advantage (both personal and professional), who say exactly the same things as these videos do regardless of their era. of course we are all going to die, of course many will go through real-life nightmares while at it, but this perception of time is mostly your choice.. lets say you unbiasedly go through life with a filter from now on, and start to compare Predictions in one side and Reality in the other.. id say thats the most 'awaken' you can be: as much as you want it not to be like this, deep in the end the future is always a mystery, unless you stagnate yourself and create this bubble where everything that happens was already meant to be because you dont even want anything to change so as not to get this future hell going but in the end you ironically cause it upon yourself because you are afraid /rant

yeah it shows the weakminded mentality that you can't know the truth because you are just a simple human being. Ahh religion... "don't eat from the tree of knowledge". Glad to see people shoving their heads in the sand shouting "nananananan i don't wanna know, we can't possibly know the truth. If something bad is gonna happen, why bother, better stay ignorant." Sheeple mentality.

On June 09 2012 09:22 uiCk wrote: After the red pill, the real test is the red fruit punch, that's all the truth you need there

I LOVE FRUIT PUNCH

d smart s ur fucking dumb and ur retarded trolling attemps to get people to argue with you so you can be spoon-fed information that your ADD won't let you to open books and other information sources that need some basic skills (reading and comprehension, something you obviously lack due to high ADD obv). Pretty obvious all your information that you gather on shitty websites and youtube are already made opinions and (retarded) analysis, since you are unable to process any data by yourself.

I might be wrong, I might be going crazy. Yeah its posible.

Hey tutz, ill give you a shot at convincing me. Just list me the top three key points(evidence, clues w/e) that convinced you that we are actually being governed by an alien lizard race. Im not asking for you to summarise all the youtubevids youve watched. Just drop a couple of sentences about the facts that really turned you over and made you a believer.

Dont ask me tow watch hours of videos when all you have to do is list a couple of key points. You think you could do that?

I don't think anyone believes that. I think why everyone goes on about lizards or something is because someone has mentioned the reptillian brain which is the oldest part of the brain and it governs survival, if you don't develop the right brain then you will skew more to the reptillian brain and become selfish etc.
Rather governed by psychopaths who are led by their reptilian brain or something. I haven't seen the actual lizard conspiracy I'm sure there is one but I don't think it is a popular one.

Where can he go from here? The possibilities are endless.

A sonnet of a haiku that is about tin foiled hats?

On June 09 2012 09:01 tutz wrote: great stuff loco, thanks! you so should check my new-age delusional crap though

I did, since Zeitgeist came out in 2007 and I wasn't living under a rock and a lot of people were talking about it. I also know more about the occult than pretty much any of you conspiracy theorists, so shit like "Illuminati: The Music Industry exposed" trying to use it to support their theories doesn't pass my bullshit radar. There is so much in there that makes no sense it hurts my brain to think people fall for it and think they're part of some special minority who "know how things really are". I know a bunch of idiotic potheads who have never opened a book and that's what they believe in . . . says a lot. Such a stupid gimmick.

Here's a famous occultist who doesn't believe in your shit either... he also happens to have done some actually impressive works, unlike any conspiracy theorist:



Repeat 1:09 - 1:36 10 times please.

I should believe a comic book writer because he said so? How do you become a famous occultist? I don't know who this man is let me just ignore it because it was in a video after all.
Cognitive dissonance we all have it how about I try and find my own truth and you yours and stop trying to influence each other because it's going nowhere.

If there is one thing you conspiracy theorists are good at it is being distracted.

You're not "finding your own truth" when you are part of a mass movement like Zeitgeist - you are a sheep who thinks he is apart of the sheep. What is the best description of the Zeitgeist movement? A mass movement of new-age Utopianists. Followers, fanatics. "Truthists" are nothing more.

ehm ok but the idea that we do it because it comforts us is not true. I do it for research I don't prescribe to a movement such as zeitgeist and I get many different ideas from the many people.
Just recently after watching mark passio you may say that is what I subscribe to.. what does he 'preach'? to believe that humanity is intrinsically good in its nature, to break free from the left brain prison (can show brain scans to verify damage done) stuff like that you can take from it too whatever I'm rambling but I'm , more motivated and looking forward to the next before I had completely given up in humanity and myself.

"I do it for research I don't prescribe to a movement such as zeitgeist and I get many different ideas from the many people." Simple rationalization. You can't really know what you do it for, most of our motivations are unknown to us, but we are good at rationalizing them.

The very fact that you tend towards ideas that make you some kind of an underdog that has something to accomplish in this world says it all. "Break free from this" and "Awaken to your true self" -- all this kind of talk is nauseating and serves no "higher purpose". You were fucked the minute you were born because you are an insatiable animal who cannot bear the fact that he leads a meaningless existence and will one day die. Even the worst conspiracy theory is more comforting than the truth of that.


Why is mankind intrinsically good in its nature? Is not its nature duality, and evil born of duality?

Ye but the fact that you think you know me from a few lines I wrote very tired is the problem. Everyone that comes into these threads and starts to almost angrily yell at us lol is something strange to me. Why are they trying to control it?
It may be nauseating to you but I find it far more interesting than all of the crap people talk about nowadays.

And I wrote break free from the left brain prison western society is heavily tilted towards the left brain in almost every walk of life and that I believe is why it is so sick.

Sure, there is a lot of conditioning to undo to attain some degree of freedom, but the idea that you will really be free and that much better off is naive, it's all I'm saying. Unless you are completely detached from the world you are never free.

I don't think I know you, I'm just seeing you defend a movement I have no faith in (as I have faith in nothing) and so I tell you my opinion of it and of the people who subscribe to it. And I'm more bothered with the idiots who come in the threads and are like "lol you people can't swallow the red pill because you're all sheep" than the angry ones. The angry ones at least don't act like they're part of an elite few who are intellectually capable of understanding how the world really works. Plus, if you really do know that people are hypnotized in their daily lives and live the lives of robots [which, by the way, is self-evident to me and not requiring of a Matrix-like conspiracy], why would you try to argue with them? Shouldn't your knowledge that people are zombies make you feel like it is a completely futile endeavor? The irony of that I could never understand. And I'm not specifically saying you're doing this, but what is the motivation behind making threads and blogposts like d_smart_s, or tutz now does? Finding comfort in knowing you're not the only one with the information? Or in d_smart_s's case maybe the enjoyment of some false sense of superiority because the "sheep" won't give credence to any of his arguments?

It's all pretty odd. If I am convinced of something, for example, that life is an illusion, why would I want to argue it? When you are absolutely certain of something you don't feel the need to prove it to anyone.

To SakiSaki:

Man I'm sorry but I can't do that. It is not that I dont want to convince you, I really do, but I know how all this is gonna go at the moment I assert anything about this: people are gonna start to put me down, "prove this" you will say, "what about this this and that" you will ask. And I can't prove any or or give enough evidence even for a brain like mine to believe in all this with just a few written lines. I would guess that to make most of the people to even start considering new posibilities I would need maybe 20 or 30 hours of their time at least? Maybe more. It is such a deep theory, how can you expect me to make you interested in a crazy theory like this that can potentialy change your life with just a few lines? I can't. I can totally see someone going through, let's say, 100 hours of videos and 1000 pages of books and in the end of all of it go like: "I dont see enough evidence for it yet" or some other similar thought process. I admire that. I consider myself a skeptical to a degree, but each of us process this data it its own way. Myself? I'm convinced. I might be wrong, for sure. But at the moment I dont think I am. I experienced this information in a way it makes a lot of sense to me.

To Loco:

Hey man I admire you. You are smart, you usually knows what you are talking about. I'm glad that you at least went through some of the info I've put here, thanks.

Shouldn't your knowledge that people are zombies make you feel like it is a completely futile endeavor? The irony of that I could never understand. And I'm not specifically saying you're doing this, but what is the motivation behind making threads and blogposts like d_smart_s, or tutz now does?

The fact that one day I wasnt aware of the "matrix" and now I'm shows that other people can come to the same conclusion. As a matter of fact, if I'm right, the only way to save human kind from a tragic existence (and even worse than the way things already are) is to make more and more people wake up. If enough of us realize what is going on we will be able to make such unbelieveable changes and move towards such a amazing existence that I think it is worth trying here. Its ok that you think Zeitgeist or any of the videos I posted are bullshit, I understand that. I've seen many websites trying to discredit the info in the movie with some solid info, but in the end it is a very big discusion. I can come up with info against a lot of the info people have put out there against the zeitgeist and so on back and forward. Then you go "Nah, you are probably dumb and dont know how to correctly analyze good info" or "Your info is probably not reliable". You are gonna try to discredit me as much as you can, cause whatever I'm saying just doesnt fit the way that you view the world. We can go on and on. I'm not gonna say I've been to both side and decided wich one I think is the best cause that is not true, I dont think there are any sides here.

If any of you want to discuss this further privately I would gladly do so. Skype: arthuramlima
Peace guys

On June 09 2012 21:09 Loco wrote: Show nested quote + On June 09 2012 09:01 tutz wrote: great stuff loco, thanks! you so should check my new-age delusional crap though Here's a famous occultist who doesn't believe in your shit either... he also happens to have done some actually impressive works, unlike any conspiracy theorist: Repeat 1:09 - 1:36 10 times please.

I dont believe what I believe because it is more comfortable, it certainly isnt. The idea of a chaotic as it is if much more comfortable. Now I actualy have to worry more, do more, think about it all the time, that is not very comfortable at all.

One more important thing:

It is very common that we all try to validate our views with people with a wide recognition in a field or people highly respected in your own community. That is a valid way to make a point, most of us would find a information much more credible coming from someone that is "respected". One thing that bothers me the most is that I know that a lot of the people a have the most respect for probably dont share the same view as mine (like Richard Dawkins and Neil deGrasse Tyson) or at least I assume they dont since they havent publicly spoken about it. Even though I think you (Loco) might have done some kind o research I will make a guess here and say that when you say "unlike any conspiracy theorist" you probably dont know what you are talking about. There are people out there (conspiracy theorists) that have done an amazing job in this field, but you probably wouldnt know who John Rhodes or William Bramley are without looking up @ wikipedia would you? Do you realize that, if you assume the conspiracy might be real, no conspiracy theorist would reach a level of fame and respect to make him a credible source of information to society, just because, if the theory is right, the people in control wouldnt let it happen. If the conspiracy is right, and we live in the matrix like I said before, all you know and experience is somewhat controlled so you can never reach enlightment. So you will reason in a thousand ways not to believe any of this.

On June 10 2012 01:31 tutz wrote: To SakiSaki: Man I'm sorry but I can't do that. It is not that I dont want to convince you, I really do, but I know how all this is gonna go at the moment I assert anything about this: people are gonna start to put me down, "prove this" you will say, "what about this this and that" you will ask. And I can't prove any or or give enough evidence even for a brain like mine to believe in all this with just a few written lines. I would guess that to make most of the people to even start considering new posibilities I would need maybe 20 or 30 hours of their time at least? Maybe more. It is such a deep theory, how can you expect me to make you interested in a crazy theory like this that can potentialy change your life with just a few lines? I can't. I can totally see someone going through, let's say, 100 hours of videos and 1000 pages of books and in the end of all of it go like: "I dont see enough evidence for it yet" or some other similar thought process. I admire that. I consider myself a skeptical to a degree, but each of us process this data it its own way. Myself? I'm convinced. I might be wrong, for sure. But at the moment I dont think I am. I experienced this information in a way it makes a lot of sense to m Peace guys

So basicly you are saying you dont want to argue your points because you are afraid someone might punch hole in your argument. Thats not a very rational way to go about things is it? You believe something that is completely outrageous, how are you supposed to convince people of your view if you dont want to give any basis to it? You are basicly saying: "a supreme lizard race is controlling the human race, dont believe me? Here watch 30 hours of youtube videos where other people are saying we are controlled by a supreme lizard race."

You have to have evidence somewhere dude. Its not like you can compensate the lack of hard evidence with just adding more really vague "clues" or w/e d_smart likes to call them.

On June 10 2012 05:17 SakiSaki wrote: Show nested quote + On June 10 2012 01:31 tutz wrote: To SakiSaki: Man I'm sorry but I can't do that. It is not that I dont want to convince you, I really do, but I know how all this is gonna go at the moment I assert anything about this: people are gonna start to put me down, "prove this" you will say, "what about this this and that" you will ask. And I can't prove any or or give enough evidence even for a brain like mine to believe in all this with just a few written lines. I would guess that to make most of the people to even start considering new posibilities I would need maybe 20 or 30 hours of their time at least? Maybe more. It is such a deep theory, how can you expect me to make you interested in a crazy theory like this that can potentialy change your life with just a few lines? I can't. I can totally see someone going through, let's say, 100 hours of videos and 1000 pages of books and in the end of all of it go like: "I dont see enough evidence for it yet" or some other similar thought process. I admire that. I consider myself a skeptical to a degree, but each of us process this data it its own way. Myself? I'm convinced. I might be wrong, for sure. But at the moment I dont think I am. I experienced this information in a way it makes a lot of sense to m Peace guys So basicly you are saying you dont want to argue your points because you are afraid someone might punch hole in your argument..

Last time he argued his point a bunch of thai guys tried to punch holes in tutz

lmfao

LOL

On June 09 2012 21:09 Loco wrote: Show nested quote + On June 09 2012 09:01 tutz wrote: great stuff loco, thanks! you so should check my new-age delusional crap though I did, since Zeitgeist came out in 2007 and I wasn't living under a rock and a lot of people were talking about it. I also know more about the occult than pretty much any of you conspiracy theorists, so shit like "Illuminati: The Music Industry exposed" trying to use it to support their theories doesn't pass my bullshit radar. There is so much in there that makes no sense it hurts my brain to think people fall for it and think they're part of some special minority who "know how things really are". I know a bunch of idiotic potheads who have never opened a book and that's what they believe in . . . says a lot. Such a stupid gimmick. Here's a famous occultist who doesn't believe in your shit either... he also happens to have done some actually impressive works, unlike any conspiracy theorist: Repeat 1:09 - 1:36 10 times please.

My thoughts exactly except that guy has thought a lot more about it and owns. I would love to buy him many pints in a pub and just ask questions and listen.

Good posting as always Loco.

@ 1:12min until end is a+

and fully agree on the chaos thing. absolutely true.

On June 10 2012 05:17 SakiSaki wrote: Show nested quote + On June 10 2012 01:31 tutz wrote: To SakiSaki: Man I'm sorry but I can't do that. It is not that I dont want to convince you, I really do, but I know how all this is gonna go at the moment I assert anything about this: people are gonna start to put me down, "prove this" you will say, "what about this this and that" you will ask. And I can't prove any or or give enough evidence even for a brain like mine to believe in all this with just a few written lines. I would guess that to make most of the people to even start considering new posibilities I would need maybe 20 or 30 hours of their time at least? Maybe more. It is such a deep theory, how can you expect me to make you interested in a crazy theory like this that can potentialy change your life with just a few lines? I can't. I can totally see someone going through, let's say, 100 hours of videos and 1000 pages of books and in the end of all of it go like: "I dont see enough evidence for it yet" or some other similar thought process. I admire that. I consider myself a skeptical to a degree, but each of us process this data it its own way. Myself? I'm convinced. I might be wrong, for sure. But at the moment I dont think I am. I experienced this information in a way it makes a lot of sense to m Peace guys So basicly you are saying you dont want to argue your points because you are afraid someone might punch hole in your argument. Thats not a very rational way to go about things is it? You believe something that is completely outrageous, how are you supposed to convince people of your view if you dont want to give any basis to it? You are basicly saying: "a supreme lizard race is controlling the human race, dont believe me? Here watch 30 hours of youtube videos where other people are saying we are controlled by a supreme lizard race." You have to have evidence somewhere dude. Its not like you can compensate the lack of hard evidence with just adding more really vague "clues" or w/e d_smart likes to call them.

I'm not afraid of anything really, it is just obvious what is gonna happen as soon as I argue anything. I dont have any intention of starting this endless discussion. If you are interested in the subject we can discuss it privately and I will gladly talk about it with you! But not in a forum where I know people are gonna try to make fun, offend and discredit me in every posible way. If you can't understand that I'm sorry, that's it, nothing I can do about it.

On June 09 2012 21:09 Loco wrote: Show nested quote + On June 09 2012 09:01 tutz wrote: great stuff loco, thanks! you so should check my new-age delusional crap though I also know more about the occult than pretty much any of you conspiracy theorists, so shit like "Illuminati: The Music Industry exposed" trying to use it to support their theories doesn't pass my bullshit radar. There is so much in there that makes no sense it hurts my brain to think people fall for it and think they're part of some special minority who "know how things really are". I know a bunch of idiotic potheads who have never opened a book and that's what they believe in . . . says a lot. Such a stupid gimmick. Here's a famous occultist who doesn't believe in your shit either... he also happens to have done some actually impressive works, unlike any conspiracy theorist: Repeat 1:09 - 1:36 10 times please.

lol cmon man, you made my day with that post. So you think you know a lot about the Occult but you strongly deny the existence of the Illuminati????????? You are joking, right?
You and that caveman manga writer are the only two people "knowledgable" of the Occult who don't know that the Illuminati/Bilderberg run the world. The Illuminati is just the beginning, it's literally square 1 of the Occult and you haven't even stepped on it, let alone further. It's like saying how much know about soccer and at the same time not knowing who is Sir Alex Ferguson or what offside is. You breaking my balls, man. Please do me a favour and go on some random forum that discusses the occult and start a thread with the title "i know a lot about the Occult. The Illuminati do not exist. You will get banned cause people would think you are trolling them. From all your posts I have read i have come to the conclusion that you are a philosophical type of guy. You like beating around the bush. You have come accross Occult knowledge, you are researching non-standard topics. But you consciously or subconsciously are afraid of knowing. You prefer the seemingly deep-thought abstract philosophical stuff that really doesn't say much. You are the type of guy that doesn't like "straight to the point" "here is the big picture' material because it takes away the uncertainty and the abstract philosophical inflated balloon that at the end of the day leaves you thinking but not knowing. You like to think but not to know. That's what I am getting. And I also believe that your research has not touched at all the true arguments and evidence out there. You just go with the philosophical flow of that caveman and many others but you won't get much knowledge from philosophy. You might expand your mind or start thinking in a deeper way and contemplate life more broadly but if you want KNOWLEDGE you are just not searching in the right place. Any of the top-notch conspiracy theorists out there is extremely deep in the Occult. If you want Occult knowledge (not abstract ideas and concepts) just google "conspiracy occult expert" and start reading and see where it takes you in a few days. Yes, my post sounds harsh and ridiculing but if you seek knowledge you shouldn't care about that but you know.. maybe try those 3 words in google and see what happens.

But don't stop reading if it's about the Illuminati or something else you think iss bullshit. Through my research in the Occult i have often been like "lol this theory is fucking ridiculous". Or "there isn't any evidence of that". The truth was that I have not stumbled upon it, not that there isn't. I have often thought "okay this is it, now I get the big picture, there isn't any new big truth out there" and boom 6 months later I am laughing at how closed-minded and naive I was. There were theories that I have started researching for 4 times!!! The first 3 times I was like "THIS IS SO STUPIDDFJDFJFDJ, NO EVIDENCE!!!!!" and I went on forums ridiculing the theory cause it didn't make much sense at the beginning and it was really an outrageous theory. But I kept researching different topics and I came to the conclusion that EVERY world reknowned Occult expert or conspiracy theorist thought of that theory as true. And I kept asking myself why is that, what did they find that I can't. Are they all disinfo agents? Am I the stupid one? Are they the stupid ones? I just came to the conclusion that I have to push myself and ignore my closed-minded skepticism to the theory and just research it more. Boom - a few months later my research has found enough evidence for me to conclude that the theory is true. It taught me a huge lesson: Always consider the possibility that you are wrong no matter how sure you are of the opposite . If you always do that and always keep an open mind and you always keep researching you will eventually come to the TRUTH. That is the reason why when two conspiracy experts meet and start discussing different topics they always agree for the most part. Of course, everyone has different opinions on the details but there is one big thread of truth that EVERYONE that is deep enough in the Occult agrees on.

Loco,

I'm pretty much where you are at too irt to faith and existence although slightly different in regards to meaning and freedom.

to sum it up:

we don't exist, then we do, then we don't BUT everyone IS free to choose their own meaning in life and free to choose how they want to live it (with in the confines of the chaotic universe we live in). Do you agree with this? If not I would be interested to see why not.

On June 10 2012 10:05 D_smart_S wrote: a few months later my research has found enough evidence for me to conclude that the theory is true. It taught me a huge lesson: Always consider the possibility that you are wrong no matter how sure you are of the opposite ..

Very interesting talk with David Icke @ Oxford Union, just watch the first 15 minutes. After that I think most of you will be interested in watching the rest. Give it a try guys.

On June 09 2012 22:06 Loco wrote: "I do it for research I don't prescribe to a movement such as zeitgeist and I get many different ideas from the many people." Simple rationalization. You can't really know what you do it for, most of our motivations are unknown to us, but we are good at rationalizing them. The very fact that you tend towards ideas that make you some kind of an underdog that has something to accomplish in this world says it all. "Break free from this" and "Awaken to your true self" -- all this kind of talk is nauseating and serves no "higher purpose". You were fucked the minute you were born because you are an insatiable animal who cannot bear the fact that he leads a meaningless existence and will one day die. Even the worst conspiracy theory is more comforting than the truth of that. Why is mankind intrinsically good in its nature? Is not its nature duality, and evil born of duality?

why are so many smart philosophers so pessimistic about life in general? What do you see in the world that makes everything so shitty and hopeless? Sure there's a ton of shit in the world and the human condition is incurable but I feel there's enough good to even out a lot of the bad.

Surely there's things or forces in your life that give you direction, joy, and meaning other than the bare primal drives like eat/sleep/fuck/etc (although they are indeed all quite amazing)

behold a lady, food, music, stimulating experience.

you don't like your consciousness/being/existence?

change the channel.

Lp is good that way, High master thinkers (Loco), can write posts, and share with Low Gold (tutz) and mid silver (dsmart) thinkers how shit work, and we're able to co-exist n stuff.

Yay

(I feel I should contribute, so, uhm... Drink sum water before your first meal when you wake).

Ok, there, yay xD

I'm low gold

Dude, gold is fucking valuable, be happy, I am just a midsilver

Hey D_Smart_S,

Even though we might share some point of views, I dont appreciate that you come here on my blog to offend others, be rude and call them sheep like if you are a better human beings than they are as if because you have info that they apparently dont and came to some conclusions therefore you are enlighted and smart and they are dumb sheep.

Everybody experience life in different ways and we have to respect that. As human beings our goal shouldn't be anything but to evolve together.
Dont be hostile, be friendly.
Dont judge, understand.

Can you express your opnions without trying to offend others? Try to do that. What if you are wrong? What are you gonna do about all these people that you offended and called sheep? Say I'm sorry?

This is an amazing journey, life. One day I might look back at this and laugh at myself for believing all this, or not. I dont know yet. I will keep looking, I will improve my understand of the world, I will read better books, I will have a better critical thinking, I will evolve. As of right now I cant agree with most people posting here, I have to be true to that.

On June 10 2012 01:31 tutz wrote: To SakiSaki: Man I'm sorry but I can't do that. It is not that I dont want to convince you, I really do, but I know how all this is gonna go at the moment I assert anything about this: people are gonna start to put me down, "prove this" you will say, "what about this this and that" you will ask. And I can't prove any or or give enough evidence even for a brain like mine to believe in all this with just a few written lines. I would guess that to make most of the people to even start considering new posibilities I would need maybe 20 or 30 hours of their time at least? Maybe more. It is such a deep theory, how can you expect me to make you interested in a crazy theory like this that can potentialy change your life with just a few lines? I can't. I can totally see someone going through, let's say, 100 hours of videos and 1000 pages of books and in the end of all of it go like: "I dont see enough evidence for it yet" or some other similar thought process. I admire that. I consider myself a skeptical to a degree, but each of us process this data it its own way. Myself? I'm convinced. I might be wrong, for sure. But at the moment I dont think I am. I experienced this information in a way it makes a lot of sense to me.

PM the response then (to me at least). Any theory or idea worth while can be summed up easily in a few key points and a dozen or so sentences.

On June 10 2012 10:16 RiKD wrote: Loco, I'm pretty much where you are at too irt to faith and existence although slightly different in regards to meaning and freedom. to sum it up: we don't exist, then we do, then we don't BUT everyone IS free to choose their own meaning in life and free to choose how they want to live it (with in the confines of the chaotic universe we live in). Do you agree with this? If not I would be interested to see why not.

I can look at it from different perspectives to this day but what I have found true is that all ideas of man being actually truly free are false. The only true freedom there is is a Buddha's freedom, where 'you' have died in life. Sartre's "man is condemned to be free" has truth to it but is only relevant and true in the context that he proposes, while the actual saying implies that man is free which is problematic. Of course it is up to you to give life a meaning, but how does that constitute freedom? How much of our actions are actually free? Do you have a choice in finding meaning? In finding certain things more meaningful than others, did you will it so? Clearly not, so I find it too problematic to use such language. On the other hand, I much rather use Merleau-Ponty's saying which says that we are "condemned to meaning", which fully removes the idea of freedom.

“Everything is determined…by forces over which we have no control. It is determined for the insect as well as for the star. Human beings, vegetables, or cosmic dust—we all dance to a mysterious tune, intoned in the distance by an invisible piper.”
—Albert Einstein

On June 10 2012 13:54 YoMeR wrote: Show nested quote + On June 09 2012 22:06 Loco wrote: "I do it for research I don't prescribe to a movement such as zeitgeist and I get many different ideas from the many people." Simple rationalization. You can't really know what you do it for, most of our motivations are unknown to us, but we are good at rationalizing them. The very fact that you tend towards ideas that make you some kind of an underdog that has something to accomplish in this world says it all. "Break free from this" and "Awaken to your true self" -- all this kind of talk is nauseating and serves no "higher purpose". You were fucked the minute you were born because you are an insatiable animal who cannot bear the fact that he leads a meaningless existence and will one day die. Even the worst conspiracy theory is more comforting than the truth of that. Why is mankind intrinsically good in its nature? Is not its nature duality, and evil born of duality? why are so many smart philosophers so pessimistic about life in general? What do you see in the world that makes everything so shitty and hopeless? Sure there's a ton of shit in the world and the human condition is incurable but I feel there's enough good to even out a lot of the bad.

There is no simple answer to these questions. Ignorance is bliss, we start as innocent children and the more we find out about the world, our origins, our inner workings, what we are capable of when our will is thwarted, etc., the bleaker the picture gets. It is not even about 'the world' per say, not even about observations of current world affairs, though themselves are good enough proof and reminder that we human beings suck. World history is a history of evil.

I think better questions are: what hope is there to have? Are we accomplishing something here? Have we improved this planet by being here? Is our existence necessary? Do you believe in a teleological world? That is, that we are all on a trajectory with a final cause? When you don't believe (as the religious) that life is driven by design, then your hope rests on mankind's ability to .... be other than itself? To overcome itself?

But, realistically, how can you draw a nice picture of a never-ending bloodbath where animals have been running around eating each others for no reason at all - simply because of some chemical accident that occured some billions of years ago?

I think the label 'pessimism' in many ways misses the mark. It's not that everything is shit, which is what comes to mind, but it's linked to a whole system of thought and philosophical inquiry/history. The base of which the thinker does not believe in the idea of Progress (other than technological progress, but which can never save humanity of itself). Philosophical pessimism is, I believe, just another term for realism. It is just that when the blinkers are off the response that follows is a negative one. All philosophical pessimists are of course capable of enjoying things even though their mind has come to the conclusion that it would have probably better been that mankind never came to exist.

On June 10 2012 20:19 Loco wrote: Show nested quote + On June 10 2012 10:16 RiKD wrote: Loco, I'm pretty much where you are at too irt to faith and existence although slightly different in regards to meaning and freedom. to sum it up: we don't exist, then we do, then we don't BUT everyone IS free to choose their own meaning in life and free to choose how they want to live it (with in the confines of the chaotic universe we live in). Do you agree with this? If not I would be interested to see why not. I can look at it from different perspectives to this day but what I have found true is that all ideas of man being actually truly free are false. The only true freedom there is is a Buddha's freedom, where 'you' have died in life. Sartre's "man is condemned to be free" has truth to it but is only relevant and true in the context that he proposes, while the actual saying implies that man is free which is problematic. Of course it is up to you to give life a meaning, but how does that constitute freedom? How much of our actions are actually free? Do you have a choice in finding meaning? In finding certain things more meaningful than others, did you will it so? Clearly not, so I find it too problematic to use such language. On the other hand, I much rather use Merleau-Ponty's saying which says that we are "condemned to meaning", which fully removes the idea of freedom. “Everything is determined…by forces over which we have no control. It is determined for the insect as well as for the star. Human beings, vegetables, or cosmic dust—we all dance to a mysterious tune, intoned in the distance by an invisible piper.” —Albert Einstein

haha, actually i am the same way too which is why i like to discuss it.

just read "no exit" by sartre and it's funny b/c from such a champion of individual freedom and choice it paints a pretty opposite picture like you were saying even if we have total freedom with in the confines of the universe you then have to add on the complete loss of freedom when under the gaze of the other.

hell is other people, etc.

i still stay optimistic in that all you have to do is change the channel or ride a different ride. i don't think anyone has been depressed during the climax (or occupied with/losing themselves in/approaching climax) of a fascinating sex, fascinating book, fascinating song, fascinating meal, etc.

add on never doing anything to be ashamed of and doing the best you can to take actions based in virtue and while it may or may not be rationalizing, this thing called life, the human condition, existing is probably a whole lot smoother. there will always be strikes and gutters but with personal responsibility, dignity and self respect it's reasonable to say anyone can manage their life for a larger profit in strikes.

I can and have been optimistic as far as how I can manage for myself but I can never be optimistic when it comes to everything else.

On June 10 2012 17:38 tutz wrote: Hey D_Smart_S, Even though we might share some point of views, I dont appreciate that you come here on my blog to offend others, be rude and call them sheep like if you are a better human beings than they are as if because you have info that they apparently dont and came to some conclusions therefore you are enlighted and smart and they are dumb sheep. Everybody experience life in different ways and we have to respect that. As human beings our goal shouldn't be anything but to evolve together. Dont be hostile, be friendly. Dont judge, understand. Can you express your opnions without trying to offend others? Try to do that. What if you are wrong? What are you gonna do about all these people that you offended and called sheep? Say I'm sorry? This is an amazing journey, life. One day I might look back at this and laugh at myself for believing all this, or not. I dont know yet. I will keep looking, I will improve my understand of the world, I will read better books, I will have a better critical thinking, I will evolve. As of right now I cant agree with most people posting here, I have to be true to that.

yea, i have to write more politely but you can check the attitude towards me too. I always start neutral until the trololo becomes too much and i reflect that with harsh posts. But yeah, you are right that I should try be calmer at times, thanks for saying that. Peace. Btw, i would expect you as a braziliam to be more aggressive. Whenever I played Carom 3D i got some nasty brazilian with some nasty attitude spewing random shit at me. Something about "merda" and "de puta madre" lol.

PS: answer my pm pls

lol @ d_stupid and tutz.

damn I missed this blog post
some good discussion here

On June 10 2012 13:54 YoMeR wrote: why are so many smart philosophers so pessimistic about life in general?

Isn't it obvious lol.