FullBRing   Philippines. Mar 17 2012 08:38. Posts 581
OMg We all have been trolled ! I hope so coz this bitch is unbearable. Are you serious tutz ? And how did you even find your way to this vid !
You must really have too much free time to watch 22 min of this screaming girl and this awful voice. Anyway gl with your needs of life improvements tips
YEah, she has a lot of interesting stuff to say ! Seriously tutz ?
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Baalim   Mexico. Mar 17 2012 08:38. Posts 34252
On March 17 2012 04:00 whamm! wrote:
omg 22 mins of dat shit no thx gg.
That was my reaction too. There isn't much of a difference between that and her video 'Deep Thoughts' honestly:
Although I didn't listen to the whole thing, but a person who can make a video like this can never have great advice for living. There are hundreds of people like her just making a lot of money making these lame humoristic videos because that's what YouTube promotes the most. A lot of them make more "serious" videos/vlogs as well because hey, it's just more attention and more money. YouTube just has very few popular intellectuals, you're usually better off looking at TEDTalks and Standford/other uni's videos. Also, I thought it was funny that tutz said fairly recently that he skipped reading my posts in serious discussions because they were too lengthy. I think it's pretty telling and you have a long road ahead of you if you want to "improve yourself" when you prefer this kind of entertainment and the lengthy "deep thoughts" of a corporate puppet-clown to actual philosophy. But it does make sense that he relates to her since tutz is a model and he's never had to learn how to think, just how to look good... exactly like this girl.
I don't want to start a new thread, so what philosophy books would you recommend? I don't know where to start but I know that I want to read some.
Edit: woops I mean't to quote baal, but you seem to be smart too so what would you recommend?
Loco has read a lot more than i have but he will probably recommend you books that are not friendly with people who start with philosophy (even if he says they are )
I would strongly recommend reading greek philosophy, you can go socrates or if you want something that applies directly even to poker you should read about stoicism, may i suggest mediations from Marcus Aurelius, or something from Seneca the young.
On March 17 2012 04:00 whamm! wrote:
omg 22 mins of dat shit no thx gg.
That was my reaction too. There isn't much of a difference between that and her video 'Deep Thoughts' honestly:
Although I didn't listen to the whole thing, but a person who can make a video like this can never have great advice for living. There are hundreds of people like her just making a lot of money making these lame humoristic videos because that's what YouTube promotes the most. A lot of them make more "serious" videos/vlogs as well because hey, it's just more attention and more money. YouTube just has very few popular intellectuals, you're usually better off looking at TEDTalks and Standford/other uni's videos. Also, I thought it was funny that tutz said fairly recently that he skipped reading my posts in serious discussions because they were too lengthy. I think it's pretty telling and you have a long road ahead of you if you want to "improve yourself" when you prefer this kind of entertainment and the lengthy "deep thoughts" of a corporate puppet-clown to actual philosophy. But it does make sense that he relates to her since tutz is a model and he's never had to learn how to think, just how to look good... exactly like this girl.
I don't want to start a new thread, so what philosophy books would you recommend? I don't know where to start but I know that I want to read some.
Edit: woops I mean't to quote baal, but you seem to be smart too so what would you recommend?
Why not start a new thread? There are worse threads than that. But to answer you, I don't know. There's no one best place to start in philosophy, it's more of a history that requires quite a bit of study. I started casually with the existentialists because that's where I was at in my life, and I think it's a good place to start and there is a hell of a lot in there. Books of aphorisms are always great to start with, too, since it's not something that requires a lot of time. My favorites are the ones from the Greek Stoics, Nietzsche, Cioran and Schopenhauer. For books on existentialism, Camus, Sartre, Hermann Hesse and Dostoyevsky are pretty safe bets. They all have really engaging novels. I think Colin Wilson's early works of the "Outsider series" might be the best introduction to philosophy for the layman. I learned a ton from 'The Outsider' which is still one of my favorite books ever, and his book 'Beyond the Outsider' gives a pretty brief history of philosophy that also goes into phenomenology and it opens a lot of doors for study.
fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccount
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Baalim   Mexico. Mar 17 2012 08:43. Posts 34252
This is what you are watching and should get away from:
That is shit, generic obvious advice in a nice presentation that serves merely for very brief motivation, you are fooling yourself if you think watching something like that will improve you.
Again i cant stress enough how introspection is the only way, for example if you are NOT aware that you are a shallow person, you havent looked inside you
Hey guys,
I know this girl is not a super smart person from whom anyone should be taking life advices, most of her videos are just humor videos, not vlogs about "serious" things. In this video I related with her in some important aspects of my life, thats why I decided to share it here. Thinking a little deeper now, it sure wasnt a good idea. Very very few people will find something useful out of what she is saying and what I'm gonna get mostly here is trolling and people wanting to put me down.
I'm dont think of myself as a shallow person. The fact that I'm a model makes people instantly think I'm dumb, but I'm gonna stick for me a bit here. I've been a model only for the last 3 years, it was never a dream or something I was planning on, it just happened: a guy walked to me in the mall and convinced me to go to his agency and sign with them, I did and booom. I have a bachelors in computer science from the University of Brasilia, one of the best and hardest to get in here in Brazil. I worked for the Brazilian government in a federal court for 3 years before moving to Bangkok, in order to be hired to work there I had to face several tests and tough competition since the government has the best salaries in the market. No, I'm not dumb, but I do have my issues.
I wouldnt have made this blog entry if I had taken 1 more hour after watching that video, I did it in the heat of what I was feeling at the moment. Thats is probably something I should work on: think a bit longer on very emotional moments.
Loco I usually dont read your post because they are too long about things I am not interested to read about, its nothing personal against you and I'm very sure you are a smart guy. Baal, I liked that video, thanks.
On March 17 2012 07:43 Baalim wrote:
This is what you are watching and should get away from:
That is shit, generic obvious advice in a nice presentation that serves merely for very brief motivation, you are fooling yourself if you think watching something like that will improve you.
Again i cant stress enough how introspection is the only way, for example if you are NOT aware that you are a shallow person, you havent looked inside you
Baal, I dont waste my time watching videos like those, thats no good. In the video I posted she actually talks about some things, but I dont think people are gonna be patiente enough to watch it trough. I think indeed havent looked inside me enough, but I dont know exactly what you mean with shallow. Could you elaborate more? I can see that being the case in some spots.
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cariadon   Estonia. Mar 17 2012 09:20. Posts 4019
Baals happy video was posted in addition to what Loco said to further dumb down your original video. Yes, you may relate to said girl in video - that is fine. For most, there are better sources available to educate oneself. By defending your posts from the emotional whirlpool that is tutz you are basically dropping down your pants and inviting e-rape. Nobody is out to get you, people (Baal, Loco) are genuinely trying to help i have no doubt about that.
When posting anything in my blog I'm always aware there is gonna be people coming here just to try to make fun, troll or put me down, I dont mind that anymore. I just ignore that and try to focus on the few good posts.
On March 17 2012 04:00 whamm! wrote:
omg 22 mins of dat shit no thx gg.
That was my reaction too. There isn't much of a difference between that and her video 'Deep Thoughts' honestly:
Although I didn't listen to the whole thing, but a person who can make a video like this can never have great advice for living. There are hundreds of people like her just making a lot of money making these lame humoristic videos because that's what YouTube promotes the most. A lot of them make more "serious" videos/vlogs as well because hey, it's just more attention and more money. YouTube just has very few popular intellectuals, you're usually better off looking at TEDTalks and Standford/other uni's videos. Also, I thought it was funny that tutz said fairly recently that he skipped reading my posts in serious discussions because they were too lengthy. I think it's pretty telling and you have a long road ahead of you if you want to "improve yourself" when you prefer this kind of entertainment and the lengthy "deep thoughts" of a corporate puppet-clown to actual philosophy. But it does make sense that he relates to her since tutz is a model and he's never had to learn how to think, just how to look good... exactly like this girl.
I don't want to start a new thread, so what philosophy books would you recommend? I don't know where to start but I know that I want to read some.
Edit: woops I mean't to quote baal, but you seem to be smart too so what would you recommend?
Why not start a new thread? There are worse threads than that. But to answer you, I don't know. There's no one best place to start in philosophy, it's more of a history that requires quite a bit of study. I started casually with the existentialists because that's where I was at in my life, and I think it's a good place to start and there is a hell of a lot in there. Books of aphorisms are always great to start with, too, since it's not something that requires a lot of time. My favorites are the ones from the Greek Stoics, Nietzsche, Cioran and Schopenhauer. For books on existentialism, Camus, Sartre, Hermann Hesse and Dostoyevsky are pretty safe bets. They all have really engaging novels. I think Colin Wilson's early works of the "Outsider series" might be the best introduction to philosophy for the layman. I learned a ton from 'The Outsider' which is still one of my favorite books ever, and his book 'Beyond the Outsider' gives a pretty brief history of philosophy that also goes into phenomenology and it opens a lot of doors for study.
Hey Loco have you ever heard of Logosophy? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logosophy
I've read 2 of their books, helped me a lot in several things. I think it was a nice way to start but now I'm looking for some different things, can you recommend me one specific book?
On March 17 2012 07:43 Baalim wrote:
This is what you are watching and should get away from:
That is shit, generic obvious advice in a nice presentation that serves merely for very brief motivation, you are fooling yourself if you think watching something like that will improve you.
Again i cant stress enough how introspection is the only way, for example if you are NOT aware that you are a shallow person, you havent looked inside you
Baal, I dont waste my time watching videos like those, thats no good. In the video I posted she actually talks about some things, but I dont think people are gonna be patiente enough to watch it trough. I think indeed havent looked inside me enough, but I dont know exactly what you mean with shallow. Could you elaborate more? I can see that being the case in some spots.
i watched 5 minutes of the video you posted and its absolutely retarded, its shallow and the girl obviously also has the intelligence of a bottle of mustard, the video looks aimed at teenagers with angst, identity and parent problems ffs.
We are not trolling or insulting you, you asked and you got your answer, the video you posted is idiotic and you are a shallow person who hasnt explored himself, you can take this as an insult or an observation so you gain awareness of it so you can improve.
On March 17 2012 07:43 Baalim wrote:
This is what you are watching and should get away from:
That is shit, generic obvious advice in a nice presentation that serves merely for very brief motivation, you are fooling yourself if you think watching something like that will improve you.
Again i cant stress enough how introspection is the only way, for example if you are NOT aware that you are a shallow person, you havent looked inside you
Baal, I dont waste my time watching videos like those, thats no good. In the video I posted she actually talks about some things, but I dont think people are gonna be patiente enough to watch it trough. I think indeed havent looked inside me enough, but I dont know exactly what you mean with shallow. Could you elaborate more? I can see that being the case in some spots.
i watched 5 minutes of the video you posted and its absolutely retarded, its shallow and the girl obviously also has the intelligence of a bottle of mustard, the video looks aimed at teenagers with angst, identity and parent problems ffs.
We are not trolling or insulting you, you asked and you got your answer, the video you posted is idiotic and you are a shallow person who hasnt explored himself, you can take this as an insult or an observation so you gain awareness of it so you can improve.
I dont think you are trolling me, I wasnt talking about you! I'm not taking as an insult am just trying to understand what you mean with shallow exactly. From my perspective shallow is someone that only cares about material stuff and is not comitted to much of anything, but I dont think that this is what you mean somehow. I got the impression that you mean something else. Do you mind to elaborate it? Can I get a hold on your facebook, skype or msn?
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lebowski   Greece. Mar 17 2012 10:18. Posts 9205
imo there's no point for someone to start messing with philosophy just to appear less shallow or uneducated. Only monsters can come out of that approach. There has to be some sort of drive, some inner questions formed that make you wanna honestly understand better the nature of things around you and that alone is probably not enough. For most people this happens when they have some sort of unfortunate event, eg the death of someone close. Getting older often has the same effect. I remember reading book chapters that seemed nonsensical, then rereading them 2 years later and thinking "holy shit how did I miss this". Being smart or not seems somewhat irrelevant, sometimes life grabs you by the balls and leaves no room for thinking about what is going on.Many people in their 60s desperately try to find stuff to do to keep their minds occupied because that's what they have been doing all their lives and now (that they are retired) they have time to feel their death's approach and it's very inconvenient (Jesus comes in handy there )
tl dr : if the questions never arose, the answers of philosophers are not going to help, being smart isn't relevant.
new shit has come to light... a-and... shit! man...
On March 17 2012 09:18 lebowski wrote:
imo there's no point for someone to start messing with philosophy just to appear less shallow or uneducated. Only monsters can come out of that approach. There has to be some sort of drive, some inner questions formed that make you wanna honestly understand better the nature of things around you and that alone is probably not enough. For most people this happens when they have some sort of unfortunate event, eg the death of someone close. Getting older often has the same effect. I remember reading book chapters that seemed nonsensical, then rereading them 2 years later and thinking "holy shit how did I miss this". Being smart or not seems somewhat irrelevant, sometimes life grabs you by the balls and leaves no room for thinking about what is going on.Many people in their 60s desperately try to find stuff to do to keep their minds occupied because that's what they have been doing all their lives and now (that they are retired) they have time to feel their death's approach and it's very inconvenient (Jesus comes in handy there )
tl dr : if the questions never arose, the answers of philosophers are not going to help, being smart isn't relevant.
tutz, no, I've never heard of Logosophy, only Logotherapy, which is cool. I also did not mean to insult you or demean you in any way. It's just that I don't think very highly of the girl you posted and the things she says, and obviously since you relate to her, I simply cannot relate to you. Neither can you relate to me, which is why you skip my posts, and I don't take it personal. I think as Proust did: “One says the things which one feels the need to say, and which the other will not understand: one speaks for oneself alone.”
I don't have a book to recommend to you, as we are both very different, and my tastes clearly won't work for you.
fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccount
And yeah, I think lebowski is right. The drive to read philosophy has to come out of a feeling of necessity. In my case, I read out of desperation for the most part. I'm sure many people nowadays start with self-help books, and eventually realize they aren't very helpful, it's just what they were exposed to, and eventually turn to the real stuff and start looking into philosophy when they are ready. There's a progression to be made and it takes time. When you have suffered a lot in life and you have a Wissensdurst (thirst for knowledge) you just happen to grow a lot faster than other people. Intellectual gifts really don't play all that much into any of it.
fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccount
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Mariuslol   Norway. Mar 17 2012 12:32. Posts 4742
Not sure If I'm contributing, but I almost never skip your posts loco!!!
I like googling new words lol
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Mariuslol   Norway. Mar 17 2012 12:35. Posts 4742
I've said it lots of times before, but I've listened to all the clips on Youtube that I could find of Alan Watts, he's all philosophical n shit.
He talks about a person's identity, reality's true nature, higher conscioussness and the hunt for happiness. Also translates a lot of the Asian philosophy or something along those lines.
Yay
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Endo   United States. Mar 17 2012 13:48. Posts 953
Why all the hate on tutz? He's got a solid set of ideals and ideas he's following here. Props man.