is that a bluff?

no

ok, anyone can explain me how the river is ever good???

if you have looked through longple hands, you would notice they have a TON of history,


if i remember correctly, some hands clawviper has called down with AK AQ type hands, and also expects longple to have air here a bunch of time

i think he views me as polerized here and we have some deeeeeep fucked up dynamic from alot of deep HU and i expect him to raise flop with nutted hands alot + not have to many Tx on the river

its very marginal but i felt like he wouldnt expect me to valuebet overpairs here, and its very easy to bluffcatch against me when they dont think i valuebet alot

^doesnt make it the correct play

edit ; that was directed to chris

and i disagree you dont look polariez at all
wtf

now ur talking against urself, so i dont look polerized here, so then JJ is an expected valuebet

so whats the fuzz about?

???
you can have AA KK QQ JJ TT 99 88 77 66 55 7X Tx 5X ONE MIRRION HAND wtf
how can you say ''im polarized''

even with your image and the dynamic, such a board the river shove im pretty sur is very very bad
you dont expect him to call with worse such a big % of time to make it a shove

edit : and in case some people misinterprete what im saying i just want to discuss not only argu about it

and by checking back you wont lose your image and dynamic you ahve with him
people see you as lag tard its not ebcause you check back the riv with JJ on such a board that they are gona be like zomg what a nit

im not expected to have AA KK QQ JJ and i dont have or are expected to have the smaller pockets

and i dont bet 7x that often on the flop


?

its not just about how you look or what he thinks u bluff or vbet with here, when ranges become so narrow you still need to construct a reasonable calling range for him.

A8ss J8ss 44 and AQ?? way too optimistic imo

+ 7x is pretty much the same as the overpairs

On November 19 2012 15:00 longple wrote: im not expected to have AA KK QQ JJ and i dont have or are expected to have the smaller pockets and i dont bet 7x that often on the flop ?

how can you say he doenst expect you to have those when you just jammed jj and have usch a ''sicko history'' with him
..

theres alot more hands then that wobbly

On November 19 2012 15:01 longple wrote: + 7x is pretty much the same as the overpairs

dhu?
no?

On November 19 2012 15:03 longple wrote: theres alot more hands then that wobbly

go list his calling range that u beat and range that beats u.

On November 19 2012 15:03 HeRoS)eNGagE wrote: Show nested quote + On November 19 2012 15:01 longple wrote: + 7x is pretty much the same as the overpairs dhu? no?

yes it is? A7 or Q7 beats the same hands that JJ beats

except for a rare 74s

and sick history dosnt automatically means that he thinks im valuebetting superthin in spots there no one valuebets?

and im not saying this is good, its pretty optimistic and i havent done any math or anything

ur just tilting me now saying random things

On November 19 2012 15:14 longple wrote: and im not saying this is good, its pretty optimistic and i havent done any math or anything ur just tilting me now saying random things

hehe just a discussion, usually i agree with the hands you play even the hero cally bluffy ones. but this one is just bad, in my opinion tho

at Heros: im not defending or anything, i was just trying to point out that they have played a ton of weird hands together , thats all.

im not trying to analyze or anything, just saw them play huge pots vs each other with hands like AK hi vs AQ hi in 3bet pots when they brick out the board and are like 3 buy ins or more deep

sorry i see now you said "explain how this is good"

i just saw explain. d'oh >_<

1 im rarely beat except for 99, TT and like T8s and stuff and the rare flop slowplay
2 i think he can be very bluffcatchhappy here vs me (with hands like J8s A6s A8s 89s 69s etc)

dont care i think this is a lil way to much of a mergerange and your getting looked up by 5x, 7x, Tx, and other hands, i like a cc a lil more to induce or take it without risking over a buy in on the river when your good like 62% of the time with longple's image

listen to this man ^ good 62% of the time so check call the river longeple

:D

im not trying to say im any better by any means, i just really don't like this shove line, i know why he does it, i just hate to see him get carried away with these kind of lines when the texture is so wet and his hand is so vulnerable in a 3bet pot that will usually go check check or check allin call, which will give more positive expectation i believe..

i don't think hes good 62% on this river in this situation tbh, just said a # <93%, when the 9 rolls off I feel like hes good around 35-40% of the time. Mergebluffjamming isn't adding 12% here...and loses value from pairs turned bluff.

I mean, we don't fold sets or str8s vs longple, do we?

meh - i love his hands - im sure hes hard as fuck to play vs, not like it'd be something i'd want to do daily

EvilSky was on the table when this went down, his judgment is probably the most accurate since he was probably there to witness the dynamic in real time, should ask for his opinion imo

I dont know anything

neilly maybe not checkcall when in position ?

Blirriant pownzorage killa move, grasshoper !

why is slowplay on flop weird? i dont think it has to be with both your ranges and amount of barrels you are firing

i would chk back the river. im pretty sure u r bluffing when u shove here. u might get him to fold a slowplayed aa or kk. tho i cant be sure about the dynamic wrt how often hes 4betting u and such. if u r 3betting jj in these spots for value i assume when he flats hes never slowplaying?

that said tho ... looks like u have a huge hook into this guy, got him flatting 3bets out of position with T7s? haha...what a donk.

if he can have t7 why cant he have 56 or 57 or a5 .. or any ten better than t7.

On November 19 2012 16:12 NeillyJQ wrote: im not trying to say im any better by any means, i just really don't like this shove line, i know why he does it, i just hate to see him get carried away with these kind of lines when the texture is so wet and his hand is so vulnerable in a 3bet pot that will usually go check check or check allin call, which will give more positive expectation i believe.. i don't think hes good 62% on this river in this situation tbh, just said a # <93%, when the 9 rolls off I feel like hes good around 35-40% of the time. Mergebluffjamming isn't adding 12% here...and loses value from pairs turned bluff. I mean, we don't fold sets or str8s vs longple, do we? meh - i love his hands - im sure hes hard as fuck to play vs, not like it'd be something i'd want to do daily

ok you're just trying to tilt everyone now