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Handnr: 986836
Submitted by : TianYuan
PokerStars Zoom Hand #86983226033: Omaha Pot Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2012/10/01 8:10:52 CET [2012/10/01 2:10:52 ET]
Table Gotha 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: TianYuan ($125.54 in chips)
Seat 2: MATPOCOB ($100 in chips)
Seat 3: TONYEVIL ($97.08 in chips)
Seat 4: VeryK1nd ($100 in chips)
Seat 5: orgasmos84 ($216.79 in chips)
Seat 6: Y2JKID ($109.12 in chips)
MATPOCOB: posts small blind $0.50
TONYEVIL: posts big blind $1
Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to TianYuan    
VeryK1nd: folds
orgasmos84: raises $2 to $3
Y2JKID: calls $3
TianYuan: raises $10.50 to $13.50
MATPOCOB: folds
TONYEVIL: folds
orgasmos84: calls $10.50
Y2JKID: calls $10.50
Flop(Odds) (Pot : $42.00)
  
orgasmos84: checks
Y2JKID: checks
TianYuan: bets $40.11
orgasmos84: folds
Y2JKID: raises $55.51 to $95.62 and is all-in
TianYuan: calls $55.51
Turn(Odds) (Pot : $233.24)
River (Pot : $233.24)
Showdown
Y2JKID: shows     (a flush, Ten high)
TianYuan: shows (a flush, Queen high)
TianYuan collected $230.44 from pot
Summary
Total pot $233.24 | Rake $2.80
Board
Seat 1: TianYuan (button) showed and won ($230.44) with a flush, Queen high
Seat 2: MATPOCOB (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: TONYEVIL (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: VeryK1nd folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 5: orgasmos84 folded on the Flop
Seat 6: Y2JKID showed and lost with a flush, Ten high
This is why I have problems folding naked AA in 3bet pots ...
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lacman730 United States. Oct 01 2012 02:38. Posts 311 | | |
sometimes potsized bets induce fish to shove their weak draws rather than c/c. they don't want to fold a draw but c/c the flop would commit them on any turn so they figure they might as well shove.
basically what i'm saying is if you had made a standard c-bet here with the intention of folding to a shove as you might do with naked AA, this player might have just c/c'ed that bet instead of shove. |
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n0rthf4ce  United States. Oct 01 2012 02:58. Posts 8119 | | |
lets not forget the fact that villain is clearly a stone retard so any attempt at analysis really goes out the window imo |
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lacman730 United States. Oct 01 2012 03:48. Posts 311 | | |
well tianyuan said he finds it hard to bet/fold AA cuz of hands like this but i was just pointing out that there are reasons potting it might cause a fish to feel like he either has to go allin or fold, making betting smaller and folding dry aces less of a mistake than one might think. i can see the guy c/c 24 on the flop with his weak flush draw, but feel like he has to go with it vs 40.
even against fish i think this is a fair assumption. |
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TianYuan Korea (South). Oct 01 2012 05:29. Posts 6817 | | |
| | On October 01 2012 01:58 n0rthf4ce wrote:
lets not forget the fact that villain is clearly a stone retard so any attempt at analysis really goes out the window imo |
Zoom semi-reg.
They play good. |
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nlwolf United Kingdom. Oct 01 2012 08:54. Posts 308 | | |
>>This is why I have problems folding naked AA in 3bet pots ...
Don't forget this applies to pots that are HU, where SPR is deeper, and you cbet around 65% of the pot (say 13 bb into 20bb pot)
In your hand, this is 3-way pot already with raiser,caller and 3bettor, so pot is 40bb
Betting naked AA is probably best play in this situation on moderately connected board like this
1) if they fold dry pair, they sacrifice around 38% equity
2) if they fold pair + guthot (guy in the middle, cuz last to act wont fold it probably), they lose 48%
3) after you bet, you cant fold given the odds you're getting
-call 55 to win 215 = 25% required,
-in normal 3bet pot HU, pot is 18bb, you cbet 12, and they (effectively) jam: you must call remaining 80 to win 200, which means 40% equity
So yeah, pot/call dry AA on this board 3-way with this SPR.
But if it was HU situation with pot 18-20bb, then bet/fold vs vast majority of opponents |
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TianYuan Korea (South). Oct 01 2012 09:32. Posts 6817 | | |
Thanks, I see how it's not really a comparable situation now. |
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