Shove, call?... fold? I can see reasons for all. He isn't insane so i'm sure he would just call there w 2 pair, and only raise flushes or bluffs, not sure about sets, I guess he would reraise AA/88 there hoping a call from 77? I'm open to whatever

how tricky are people at nl5k?

i'm clueless here since you put AA in his range, if they can have AA i really don't know what else they will have. It seems bad to not cold 4bet AA when this deep, and also seems tricky to not bet the flop with AA.

my standard reasoning here would be that a river bet reps pot controlled weak Ax(or rivered twopair and sets) and they can check flush draws on turn as they don't want to get checkraised on the turn with that much equity. So i would think it's a call since i hate folding.

edit: thinking about it a bit more, why would someone bluff here? your range doesn't look capped to anything if you don't have a leading range on A turns. you can be checkraising river here with KK, two pair 77 and flushes am i correct? i think folding is a good unexploitable play.

Doesnt our range look ridiculously full of shit considering we checked that flop and turn in a 3b pot and then c/r on river, and on that note we simply cant fold a hand he never expect us to show up with?
On the other side of the coin, I cant fathom why he would check back 88/AA twice (or not 4b AA pre in the first place, or if its just super common to not have a 4b range at all 3 handed and deep) but if he did check back twice -maybe because hes worried about being c/r-ed off something- wouldn't his river value range be only 77, straights, and flushes? Perhaps maybe A7s as well?

After another review I don't think AA is a likely hand for him to have, was just wondering which hands he would reraise on the river for value, I guess I don't think hes gonna have 88 there almost ever either, so for value it's really narrow and only flushes as I don't see how he can get there with a straight, making the shove option pretty bad. I'm leaning more towards a fold now although it's a pretty gross one to make.

I'm havinga hard time putting him on a range because we play so different and his play is kind of goofy in somw spots.

probably call i guess. its worrying that his raise is pretty small but hand as played out is pretty wtf. i feel like most clubs that he might have [JTcc/QJcc] from the 3b flat are so bad on flop and his hand looks at least allegedly strong that he probably stabs with them on flop. i think you are only really losing to like kjcc and since hes sorta weird id end up calling

call and lose to the insanely obvious flush

On August 21 2012 22:05 PoorUser wrote: probably call i guess. its worrying that his raise is pretty small but hand as played out is pretty wtf. i feel like most clubs that he might have [JTcc/QJcc] from the 3b flat are so bad on flop and his hand looks at least allegedly strong that he probably stabs with them on flop. i think you are only really losing to like kjcc and since hes sorta weird id end up calling

i agree with this man