580 to call

w/out history or read i toss it.

so obv everything missed, no need for anyone to be bluffing here without history.

if co vs btn or btn vs sb i reconsider, but mp vs co his range has too few semi bluffs and too many combos of sets

nothing you can do here but get raped

Is there good arguments for folding turn or? Or is it standard to call the turn also to see if he fires river?

--- Nuked ---

what was your plan on turn? cuz if you plan to always fold river if he shoves then you might as well just fold turn

Why did you C/C turn? you assume he doesnt bluff many rivers? if we are C/C the turn and folding a super brick assuming because you think he doesnt bluff such a super brick then we will end up folding too much

so you really think every time this guy has a big draw he just goes "oh well, i give up" w/o any history?

he repped big hand the whole way why would he stop

i think it's a call unless you have enough history with villain to know otherwise.

I dont like how I played it but I didnt want to fold because he cant really have much assuming he folds KJo pre and will 3b JJ,KK,AA some of the time we are losing to 66,KJs and some discounted JJ,KK,AA so ~10 combos. On the river he will obv give up some of the time and he might bluff smaller when he does, so we are getting worse than 2:1 ... I dont fucking know -.-

yea ch/jamming turn is fine, calling is fine to i guess, folding too

but i really think many regs arent bluffing enough here especially when everything bricks, just becaise ppl generally dosnt make big folds here, so villain dependant

dont think its a big deal, he probably continues with strong combodraws some times on riv, not sure about this guy tho, he seems fairly straightforward from what ive played with him but its probably a fold in reality

hm allthough we are pretty deep, ch jamming turn probably is to light, idk its one of these no right answer spots, but i really think he dosnt expect u to fold so thats what it comes down to for me in these spots alot of the time when faceing a standard reg, faceing better regs it gets more tricky, especially if they have respect for you aswell :-)

depends on history and levelling vs you two imo. first time i would expect him to have it more often than not, because ur turn call really looks like you want to look him down and after everything missed you are quite expected to do so. but def. pretty close.