induce shove with A9!

wat

haha funny hand.

you are a freak and very weird dude

a. knows hes wide
b. knows hes shoving his entire 3b range
c. induce with A9!

onlinepoker 2012!

you lost 10bb here man, give back the greenstar till you learn

why is he squeezing QTs ;-0

idk man, alot of ppl are doing it these spots from BB t_t

i think its pretty retarded 100bb deep (even less here)

so he's expecting you to always bluff 4bet as the utg+1 and he ships
and you know that so you 4bet only to call vs a ship?
how the hell can such reads even be possible lol?
I imagine the swings @ such games have to be nightmarish? Or does this sort of thing only happen once in a while when there has been a lot of build up and then ppl semi tighten up?

preety sure his reasoning is more like "longple opens 80%+ on the button, QTs is ahead of his range lets 3b, wtf he 4-bets, how can he open 80% and have a hand, no fking way, im all in"

hehe yea something like that ^^

ahh totally missed that longple's in the button... makes more sense now
lol TT you are probably spot on

Pretty sure people squeeze broadway cards cuz they reduce combos of TT+?

the difference is prolly too small to overweight the disadvantages of doing so tho. Get flat called by dominating hands too often is one I can think of.

no blockers TT-AA + AK = 46 combos
broadway blockers no A, K: TT-AA + AK - (6blocked) = 40 combos

so people hold 13% fewer "real" 4betting hands

pretty small diff. gets significantly worse if opponent 4bet/gets it in w worse than AK.

-- So I will think about something more interesting, ace-rag,

No blockers: TT-AA, AK, AQ = 62
Ace blocker: TT-AA, AK, AQ - (11blocked) = 51

so people hold 17.8% fewer "real" 4betting hands



From the 3bettor with AxXx perspective:
If villain 4bet with a range of roughly bluffs 50%, happily all-ins with the other 50% "real half" of his range (TT+,AQ+)

17.8% of that "real" portion of his range disappears, so .822 * 50% = .41, so only 41% of that 50% is not blocked by AxXx. Therefore, given a 4bet, he will be bluffing 59%/41% and it is significantly (18%!) safer to 5bet jam over his bet.

I think that is the logic he followed, but non-ace broadways just block way fewer things. Q, K block more.


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btw I am pretty sure this is NOT the proper way to calculate the change in the bluff/not bluff probabilities given a partially-blocked 4bet range here. not sure of a proper method. but I think this is the logic I used like 2-3 years ago when thinking about 3bet/5bet broadways and Axs. Tho someone else prolly told me about it first..

I think you need to use a bayesian method(?) to base rate in order to get the correct adjustment to the likelihood of a bluff GIVEN a 4bet. someone who is better w/ this p(A|B), p(AUB), (AetcB) shit should do it. maybe I'll get more high instead