i havent played nlhe in a long time but i dont get why u shove riv instead of calling.. he's not folding chops and rarely value betting worse (very few unboated Tx combinations)

yeah I wasnt sure if its a jam or not, I decided to do it because of Tx he might have and the unlikelihood of me being beat given my blockers. I think its close either way.

he is a fish person btw

On October 19 2011 11:41 EvilSky wrote: he is a fish person btw

His potsized river bet makes it kinda unlikely for him to have anything else than bluff or straight or better. I think this shove is pretty bad unless you already saw him do something similar with weaker value hands and then call more.

On October 19 2011 13:45 Joe wrote: His potsized river bet makes it kinda unlikely for him to have anything else than bluff or straight or better. I think this shove is pretty bad unless you already saw him do something similar with weaker value hands and then call more.

Even if he's a fish. fish just don't pot river w JJ here...or at least from my experiences.

agree with joe and imo this is really awful especially for someone as good as you, and your burning maybe $100 here.

I cant say Im super happy with my jam, which is why I posted the hand. But after thinking about it Im still not sure if its bad or not. If we exclude sets for flatting the flop and heavily discount J9 for flatting turn and then donking river, so the debate comes as how he would play JT-AT on the river (on the flop Im pretty comfortable to assume this player will call any gutter). Does he pot it when hitting runner runner trips on the river? If he does then we got a clear valueshove since we dont expect him to ever fold, if he doesnt play those hands this way then its clearly bad. Im still non decided on what I think, but I have a suspicion that he would.