well after 37k hands you should have some info, I'd 3b or fold pre if I don't have a postflop plan

i do have a plan. was just looking for opinions whether it's better to raise or flat his turn bet ?

i would say if you dont wanna fold, raising is best. he can barrel of you on the turn with a bunch of draws and you'll just have to fold.

ppl on nl100 like to blindy barrel with whatever hand they have so I do not rely on floating to much in these positions.

Submitted by : the cleaner

PokerStars Game #65070183247: Holdem No Limit ($0.50/$1.00 USD) - 2011/07/25 18:06:00 ET
Table Benetnasch VI 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: KIZz_mAh_AZz ($126.40 in chips)
Seat 2: unlucky106 ($45.15 in chips)
Seat 3: VitinhO Dzi ($201.30 in chips)
Seat 4: tombo_pl ($100 in chips)
Seat 5: the clêaner ($100 in chips)
Seat 6: handguess ($40 in chips)
handguess: posts small blind $0.50
KIZz_mAh_AZz: posts big blind $1

Holecards
Dealt to the clêaner
unlucky106: folds
VitinhO Dzi: folds
tombo_pl: raises $2 to $3
the clêaner: calls $3
handguess: folds
KIZz_mAh_AZz: folds

Flop (Pot : $7.50)

   
tombo_pl: bets $5.35
the clêaner: calls $5.35

Turn (Pot : $18.20)

   
tombo_pl: bets $13
the clêaner: raises $18 to $31
tombo_pl: calls $18

River (Pot : $80.20)

   
tombo_pl: checks

On July 25 2011 18:54 gororokgororok wrote: i would say if you dont wanna fold, raising is best. he can barrel of you on the turn with a bunch of draws and you'll just have to fold.

But we haz strait?

super easy value shove yes ?

On July 25 2011 19:05 handbanana21 wrote: Show nested quote + On July 25 2011 18:54 gororokgororok wrote: i would say if you dont wanna fold, raising is best. he can barrel of you on the turn with a bunch of draws and you'll just have to fold. But we haz strait?

lol I missread the hand too my first post seems douchy now :D

On July 25 2011 19:15 the cleaner wrote: super easy value shove yes ?

do you think he will call sets? Or anything that's not K hi straight+really

i always think they call with everything that's why i spew alot and my showdown winnings suck

if river is a shove i think there's more value in getting villain off a split than in him calling with worse, since he's a reg and there's no reason you can't have a flush or a K.

given that i think villain's range could also include a flush or AK w/ a spade that called turn getting decent odds, you'll also be value-owning yourself sometimes. i would probably just gaybet river like $17 or something to try and squeeze a little value out of whatever.

besides he's probably shipping turn with a set, and if he's not then this isn't the river he was waiting to see to put more money in if he has that.

but i thought turn is a flat so what do i know =]

yea turn should always be a flat imo. We are ever so slightly overrepping our hand

ok thanks

61 left, this is an obvious shove, are you trying to level us questioning how to play this hand?

15 to induce and call is semi fine too if he has fps etc

15 to induce and call is semi fine too if he has fps etc
not vs this guy he is a nit.



yea my doubts where mostly regarding turn play. i shoved and he had a small flush. i think you guys are right and turn is a flat. thanks

Woops super sorry, I was talking about the FLOP.

On July 25 2011 22:08 NeillyJQ wrote: 61 left, this is an obvious shove, are you trying to level us questioning how to play this hand? 15 to induce and call is semi fine too if he has fps etc

If you say it's a shove, im inclined to say its anything but.

On July 25 2011 22:08 NeillyJQ wrote: 15 to induce and call is semi fine too if he has fps etc

pretty sure vs this villain if you bet 15 it should be with the intention of bet-folding, since we're in position it's obvious to villain we're not block-betting and our range is Kx+, our goal is just to bet small enough that it would be making it too cheap for us to bluff (in his mind) and force him to call w/some bluffcatchers. it also makes sense that he would check the river with all hands that beat us, and i think it goes without saying that he's not going to try and c/r cleaner off a split or something.

agree with bigredhoss. i think that's the best line on the river the way the hand played out.