time telling ... doubt river can be fold ?
he would never bet Jx here so all he could lead consists of value range or random oop float pure bluff

bet the turn

I bet turn and river.

On March 31 2011 00:37 TheHuHu3 wrote: I bet turn and river.

i dont get it

On March 31 2011 02:33 whamm! wrote: Show nested quote + On March 31 2011 00:37 TheHuHu3 wrote: I bet turn and river. i dont get it

i'm not sure if you trollin or not so don't hate on me for commenting :D. the turn and river are good cards for our range and not so good vs his calling range on this flop. he's folding alot on the turn/river (the river is obviously not the best value betting spot as hero isnt getting called by worse often on the river, except by bluff catcher type hands, which there really aren't many by the river, but they still in his range). if he raises hero at any point we can make a decision to ship/call/fold at that point based off of the info hero has

and btw sunny, if you think he's only value betting nuttish type hands or bluffing, then you should be folding this river because he's not value betting thin and because of that he's probably x/c the hands that you beat

basically, there are no bluffs in his range by this river based on your read. your turn check looks like more of a pot control line than a cbet--> give up

bet turn

and for what it's worth, I think calling the river is fine because he could be value betting Jx here (not necessarily him, but alot of people). But because you seem to think that he can't be, you should fold I think. Realistically, there are only 3 hands that he's bluffing w/ here (but w/ the pot as small as it is I doubt he's doing that, especially if you think he's not capable of value betting thin (implying he can't hand read))

this is why i dont play rush 25nl anymore.

and yeah this is a fold, especially against Thuey. he's not bluffing this river, and everything he's value betting beats you.

On March 31 2011 03:47 egood wrote: this is why i dont play rush 25nl anymore. and yeah this is a fold, especially against Thuey. he's not bluffing this river, and everything he's value betting beats you.

I kinda hate this guy u know lol

On March 31 2011 03:37 DaTruf wrote: and for what it's worth, I think calling the river is fine because he could be value betting Jx here (not necessarily him, but alot of people). But because you seem to think that he can't be, you should fold I think. Realistically, there are only 3 hands that he's bluffing w/ here (but w/ the pot as small as it is I doubt he's doing that, especially if you think he's not capable of value betting thin (implying he can't hand read))

I would more likely to bet the turn if I had KK no heart , but w/ some equilty on the turn and if we got check/raise it woud be pretty awkward spot we cant do much but folding.
I mean bcuz he pondered the flop for a while that i can figure out his check/call range consist of flush draw or set , buttom line maybe AJ.
also i think i could still get AJ value on the river if i bet it pretty small , lets say 2.5 , i kinda dont believe this kinda nit would check/call AJ 3 streets when the Q hit the board , so it looks like the same 2 streets value against AJ , and we picked up some equilty against set , drawing dead against nuts flush