i mean its spew but i put him on air so i guess i'll take it

I wouldn't fold either.

I think it's insane to assume you have FE after he puts half his stack in like this.

yeah i know, too much in pot, just sucks when you know the other guy doesn't have it

what do you mean by doesn't have it, he had a premium hand. fair enough that he didn't hit the 228 flop but he didn't have air..

i mean... its a premium hand but if he's not confident to throw out more than a 1/2 sized cont bet i felt that he might be able to let it go

i mean... its a premium hand but if he's not confident to throw out more than a 1/2 sized cont bet i felt that he might be able to let it go regardless i know its spew

give up after his 4 bet... not many people will 4 bet bluff u at this limit

why would anyone cbet this flop more than 1/2 pot with any hand

this is just spew.

On January 25 2011 00:29 BiNK wrote: i mean... its a premium hand but if he's not confident to throw out more than a 1/2 sized cont bet i felt that he might be able to let it go

given stacks, his cbet seems perfectly fine on such a dry board.

On January 25 2011 00:18 BiNK wrote: yeah i know, too much in pot, just sucks when you know the other guy doesn't have it

and how do you know he doesnt have it lol

his range here is prob QQ+/AK and nothing about his line says otherwise.

lol AK is the nuts here what are u on about

heh trying to justify me pushing over an unmade hand i guess

its rush poker and we both have 4 entries...it just seemed that with an actual pocket pair and not just AK hi (through playing multiple pots with him) he'd just straight push this flop

yea coz with AK high he can under bet the pot to make u go all in here. when ur range is [AIR]

On January 25 2011 00:49 BiNK wrote: its rush poker and we both have 4 entries...it just seemed that with an actual pocket pair and not just AK hi (through playing multiple pots with him) he'd just straight push this flop

so it looks like you knew he had AK

why did you shove again?

i guess i shoved because i thought he could get away from AK/AQ but we prob weren't deep enough

On January 25 2011 00:56 BiNK wrote: i guess i shoved because i thought he could get away from AK/AQ but we prob weren't deep enough

it wasnt because u weren't deep enuf. he just totally outplayed u.

if he was obligated to call from not being so deep i outplayed myself

lets say 200bb deep u still shove him in this situation ?

come on its result oriented , he had AK this hand doesnt mean he would have AK always after he 4betting

or u read that 4bet 35bb means AK , 25bb means AA-KK ?

thanks all for responses have a good night

pretty sure he is calling u even 200bb deep.

also it isnt 200bb deep. stop berating him when he played perfect pre post everywhere u donkey.

op should post more hands imo it's kind of insightful to learn the thought process of people who do stuff like this

op - thought process on flatting the 4bet pre?

bigred not sure if trolling?

On January 25 2011 01:05 bigredhoss wrote: op should post more hands imo it's kind of insightful to learn the thought process of people who do stuff like this op - thought process on flatting the 4bet pre?

tbh some fish in NL10 rush would 3b TT BTN vs UTG and cold call 4b , so yea thats possible they really have a hand lol

but i mean "fishes" , the poster and villain should be 4 seats reg at least

and wobbly the more and more i play rush it seems that the game is won in the blinds co and button of simple stealing and restealing so this is why i called with air in hope i could try to push him off AK/AQ... i take your point of not being deep enough though so thanks, there is no chance this guy calls deeper though

no the game is not won with just blind stealing and restealing.

a big part of the game, sure. but definitely not everything.

LOL

Damn, I saw like 25 posts and thought this was going to be thought provoking

not trolling, just think it's interesting because at these stakes a lot of times you see people do bizarre stuff like this that makes no sense and you wonder what they could possibly be thinking. for example:

"i mean... its a premium hand but if he's not confident to throw out more than a 1/2 sized cont bet i felt that he might be able to let it go"

it seems really obvious as jolin said that betting more than 1/2 pot on this board with any hand seems silly given how much is in the pot. so it's interesting to me that you would think like this.

just like it's interesting you think anyone is ever bet-folding A-hi given the size of the pot

On January 25 2011 01:09 BiNK wrote: and wobbly the more and more i play rush it seems that the game is won in the blinds co and button of simple stealing and restealing so this is why i called with air in hope i could try to push him off AK/AQ... i take your point of not being deep enough though so thanks, there is no chance this guy calls deeper though

u should understand everyone have hud nowadays and they can analyze u ezily when the hh told him a lot
thats why him 4bet AK totally for value , like i mean u probably resteal too often that ur 3b in BB and SB data would looks like > 20%
and if u never fold to 4betting that data would show , u know what I mean?
I played nl10 rush and I am not a big fan to committ AK pfr in this game just bcuz I know its full of nits and even its 6-max AK still not so good compared to normal table
but someone like u resteal too often that data would tell me the story too

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like ur purpose was resteal 3bb with hopeless hand
now u have to resteal 40 times and 100% sucessed
nowadays I know nl10 ppl more aggressive vs steal , but like this its too over imo
and ppl would start 4bet air to play back if he have read about u , if u prepare to cold call every 4bet or shove every hands after u 3bet then keep doing

On January 25 2011 01:15 soberstone wrote: Damn, I saw like 25 posts and thought this was going to be thought provoking

it is, just not in the way you expected

first off. his 4bet sizing is ridiculously committing. just fold pf. Your resteal failed, you dont have to win every pot.