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Handnr: 1096151
Submitted by : gororokgororok

PokerStars Hand #225497393915: Holdem No Limit ($0.25/$0.50 USD) - 2021/04/04 12:51:53 ET
Table Naiad 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: GWValueTown ($51.60 in chips)
Seat 3: Donatas .l ($61.06 in chips)
Seat 4: Sumomo123 ($43.37 in chips)
Seat 5: gororok ($50.10 in chips)
Seat 6: Diff3r3nt ($53.25 in chips)
Sumomo123: posts small blind $0.25
gororok: posts big blind $0.50

Holecards
Dealt to gororok QhKd
Diff3r3nt: folds
GWValueTown: raises $0.75 to $1.25
Donatas .l: folds
Sumomo123: folds
gororok: raises $3.25 to $4.50
GWValueTown: calls $3.25

Flop (Pot : $9.25)

   ThKs9c
gororok: bets $4.40
GWValueTown: calls $4.40

Turn (Pot : $18.05)

   ThKs9c5c
gororok: checks
Tiltsynsman joins the table at seat #2
GWValueTown: checks

River (Pot : $18.05)

   ThKs9c5cJd
gororok: checks
GWValueTown: bets $42.70 and is all-in
gororok: folds
Uncalled bet ($42.70) returned to GWValueTown
GWValueTown collected $17.15 from pot
GWValueTown: doesnt show hand

Summary
Total pot $18.05 | Rake $0.90
Board  ThKs9c5cJd
Seat 1: GWValueTown collected ($17.15)
Seat 3: Donatas .l (button) folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 4: Sumomo123 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: gororok (big blind) folded on the River
Seat 6: Diff3r3nt folded before Flop (didnt bet)

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Lubczyk   . Apr 04 2021 19:16. Posts 26

omg

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tapatapaz   Brasil. Apr 04 2021 22:09. Posts 1278

?!?!?!?!

And what does self awareness have to do with anything you retard? srsly stfu. - baal 

gororokgororok   Netherlands. Apr 04 2021 22:28. Posts 3908

I just couldn't see him overbet jam any other hands but AQ. I would expect him to pot it as a bluff, or with a single Q. But what single Q? I'm not even sure if KQ/QJ are in his preflop range, and QJ would certainly bet the turn i think - KQ probably as well. Maybe QQ, but i dont think he would shove it.

Maybe its a bad fold I dunno, was very close to calling.

I told him my hand and he said good fold. I guess we'll never know if thats the truth.

 Last edit: 04/04/2021 22:35

asdf2000   United States. Apr 05 2021 03:01. Posts 7579

A lot of opponents this will def be a good fold.

Grindin so hard, Im smashin pussies left and right. 

Oddeye   Canada. Apr 05 2021 18:48. Posts 4975

I disagree I think this is a bad fold. In a 3b pot against the CO and you didn't 3b that big he certainly can have many Qs or just be bluffing.


gororokgororok   Netherlands. Apr 05 2021 19:40. Posts 3908

You could be right.

But what type of hands would be peeling the flop, that are bluffing on later streets? I think most hands with some showdown value are going to check it down. I haven't played much with him before, so I don't think this player is going to randomly float me on the flop without history. He seemed like a 'reg', as far as I saw. I havent played these stakes much lately so I dont know the people well.

I think mostly if I call, I'm chopping or Im dead. With the overbet, I just think Im dead more often than chopping.


gororokgororok   Netherlands. Apr 05 2021 19:41. Posts 3908

But please do enlighten me with any wisdom, it's been a while since I played.


asdf2000   United States. Apr 05 2021 20:06. Posts 7579

Look if opponent is wild then it's clearly a call, but if you have a decent read on your opponent types then a lot of opponents this is basically always AQ because they (correctly) have deduced there is no reason to bet this large without AQ when there is a reasonable chance that their opponent could have AQ. And not even having Qx is also a crazy bluff because as we can see there are good players here in this thread advocating for a call with the K high straight.


  On April 05 2021 18:40 gororokgororok wrote:
You could be right.

But what type of hands would be peeling the flop, that are bluffing on later streets? I think most hands with some showdown value are going to check it down. I haven't played much with him before, so I don't think this player is going to randomly float me on the flop without history. He seemed like a 'reg', as far as I saw. I havent played these stakes much lately so I dont know the people well.


this isn't even worth discussing without knowing opponent stats




 
I think mostly if I call, I'm chopping or Im dead. With the overbet, I just think Im dead more often than chopping.



I don't know if it's more often than not (though I would guess it probably is), but it certainly is often enough that against most opponents this is a clear fold.

Grindin so hard, Im smashin pussies left and right.Last edit: 05/04/2021 20:09

Oddeye   Canada. Apr 05 2021 23:54. Posts 4975

This is all based on what type of regs he is / stats to fold here imo. If you have a read or stats that he is nitty I'm ok with folding. AJ AT could be turned into a bluff, you'll see aggressive regs push KJ, JJ here thinking you never check any Q and get you to hero call. Also some Qs(KQo-JQs-TQs-9Qs) . This isn't such a small pot either and if he is a reg you'll play alot against this isn't a bad spot to get a read on his overbet tendencies. Granted I could be wrong. If I fold I probably don't show him/tell him my hand, not sure I want him to know I'm making that fold.


asdf2000   United States. Apr 06 2021 02:07. Posts 7579

I respectfully disagree, I feel like everything you are saying applies to a normal pot sized bet. But this bet is 220% pot and making this bet with KJ in an attempt for value makes no sense.

Grindin so hard, Im smashin pussies left and right. 

Oddeye   Canada. Apr 06 2021 02:35. Posts 4975

All good, I'm not that sure myself. Most of what I said applies to overbet to a smaller frequency, maybe KJ is far fetched. That mostly comes from aggressive regs tho. As a bluff alot of those hands probably want to bet big, prob not overbet but they might feel like it.


gororokgororok   Netherlands. Apr 06 2021 11:24. Posts 3908

Thanks guys, much appreciate the help!


Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Apr 06 2021 14:50. Posts 9376

This is not a hard fold unless we know the villain is going out of line. You know you're only calling to split the pot.

 Last edit: 06/04/2021 14:50

gororokgororok   Netherlands. Apr 06 2021 21:58. Posts 3908


  On April 06 2021 01:07 asdf2000 wrote:
I respectfully disagree, I feel like everything you are saying applies to a normal pot sized bet. But this bet is 220% pot and making this bet with KJ in an attempt for value makes no sense.



How would you play the turn, without knowing the player much?


 

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