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Handnr: 1083986
Submitted by : casinocasino

PokerStars Zoom Hand #194645567566: Holdem No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2018/12/19 14:42:14 ET
Table Triangulum 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: gicu7575 ($164.11 in chips)
Seat 2: Lemin0s ($140.25 in chips)
Seat 3: casinocasino ($129.94 in chips)
Seat 4: christinho18 ($46.04 in chips)
Seat 5: Eycid1 ($100 in chips)
Seat 6: Razorken ($97 in chips)
Lemin0s: posts small blind $0.50
casinocasino: posts big blind $1

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to casinocasino 6c6d
christinho18: folds
Eycid1: folds
Razorken: raises $2 to $3
gicu7575: folds
Lemin0s: folds
casinocasino: calls $2

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $6.50)

   Ac6hQd
casinocasino: checks
Razorken: bets $3
casinocasino: calls $3

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $12.50)

   Ac6hQd8h
casinocasino: checks
Razorken: bets $7
casinocasino: raises $19.41 to $26.41
Razorken: calls $19.41

River (Pot : $65.32)

   Ac6hQd8h7s
casinocasino: bets $97.53 and is all-in
Razorken: calls $64.59 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($32.94) returned to casinocasino

Showdown
casinocasino: shows 6c6d (three of a kind, Sixes)
Razorken: shows ThQh (a pair of Queens)
casinocasino collected $192 from pot

Summary
Total pot $194.50 | Rake $2.50
Board  Ac6hQd8h7s
Seat 1: gicu7575 (button) folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 2: Lemin0s (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: casinocasino (big blind) showed 6c6d and won ($192) with three of a kind, Sixes
Seat 4: christinho18 folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 5: Eycid1 folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 6: Razorken showed ThQh and lost with a pair of Queens

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locoo   Peru. Dec 20 2018 02:02. Posts 4517

I'd x/raise the flop everytime, you got lucky he bet the turn which he shouldn't have. If you x/raise you win more assuming he shouldn't be calling the river.

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4TM   United States. Dec 20 2018 08:41. Posts 704

Lose next to nothing in terms of EV by not having a raising range on this flop. Good as played imo.

 Last edit: 20/12/2018 08:44

Baalim   Mexico. Dec 20 2018 09:35. Posts 32350

We do have all AQo in our range so it shouldn't be an issue to develop a raising range here I'm not sure how much equity we lose by not having a CR range but that will probably allow him to Cbet 100% and this isn't a board that is easy to defend for us in the BB against that frequency, sounds like a much more harder thing to do than to simply having a CR range

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4TM   United States. Dec 20 2018 09:42. Posts 704

My ranges must be pretty far off here. We really have all AQo and no 66?


traxamillion   United States. Dec 20 2018 20:08. Posts 10384

who said we wouldn't have any 66 here? defending BB is ok with 66; not like you should always 3b it


4TM   United States. Dec 20 2018 20:26. Posts 704

Baal before he edited his post


casinocasino   Canada. Dec 20 2018 21:26. Posts 3329

You won't have enough hands in your check call check turn line if you always check raise AQ and 66 on this flop. His range contains more AA QQ and AQ hands that you need to put a few stronger hands in your turn check lines to defend against really aggressive plays. Also his turn bet size was also too weak.


lebowski   Greece. Dec 20 2018 21:38. Posts 9008

I think pio has like 60% combos of 66 flat pre (or something like that)
and about the same with AQ?
(assuming villain's not a nit)

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Baalim   Mexico. Dec 21 2018 02:19. Posts 32350


  On December 20 2018 19:26 4TM wrote:
Baal before he edited his post



missread the hand and edited

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4TM   United States. Dec 21 2018 04:03. Posts 704


  On December 21 2018 01:19 Baalim wrote:
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missread the hand and edited


In your original post (iirc) you said Hero should have no 66 and all AQo. The misread that makes the most sense to me is that you thought it was BBvBU. If I am right in that assumption are you saying AQo is a 100% flat BBvBU? Or was the misread one spot the other way and you were saying 66 is 100% 3bet and AQo is 100% flat BBvMP.

Now that I got my pathetic jab in I have an actual question.

I started using Snowie before Pio. When I bought Pio I continued to use preflop ranges taken from Snowie when running sims in Pio. It would seem there is a significant difference between the two sets of preflop ranges. I am of the belief that in practice, as long as they aren't way off base, preflop ranges are far less important than knowing what your range is and how to play it on various textures/runouts. Is Snowie trash? Am I making a big mistake building my strategy in this way?


traxamillion   United States. Dec 21 2018 20:24. Posts 10384

I built most of my pio preflop ranges by hand using a large 25/50+ stars hand sample using positional stats and showdown info. It was an insane amount of work getting each different spot for 6max so I ended up supplementing it with pio preflop solves.

I can't speak for snowie but I suspect those ranges aren't optimal because they would be built backwards from snowie's own solutions and from what I have seen those differ quite a bit from pio.

 Last edit: 22/12/2018 00:00

Baalim   Mexico. Jan 05 2019 02:40. Posts 32350


  On December 21 2018 03:03 4TM wrote:
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In your original post (iirc) you said Hero should have no 66 and all AQo. The misread that makes the most sense to me is that you thought it was BBvBU. If I am right in that assumption are you saying AQo is a 100% flat BBvBU? Or was the misread one spot the other way and you were saying 66 is 100% 3bet and AQo is 100% flat BBvMP.

Now that I got my pathetic jab in I have an actual question.

I started using Snowie before Pio. When I bought Pio I continued to use preflop ranges taken from Snowie when running sims in Pio. It would seem there is a significant difference between the two sets of preflop ranges. I am of the belief that in practice, as long as they aren't way off base, preflop ranges are far less important than knowing what your range is and how to play it on various textures/runouts. Is Snowie trash? Am I making a big mistake building my strategy in this way?

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I thought we had QQ not 66

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