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Handnr: 1077598
Submitted by : Stroggoz

PokerStars Hand #173384654137: Holdem No Limit ($25/$50 USD) - 2017/07/22 21:30:39 ET
Table Eliane 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: Am0ral ($12789.17 in chips)
Seat 2: ross_654 ($9801.68 in chips)
Seat 3: probirs ($5000 in chips)
Seat 4: Iimitless ($6581.50 in chips)
Seat 5: 1nvoker ($6852.46 in chips)
Iimitless: posts small blind $25
1nvoker: posts big blind $50
Am0ral: posts the ante $10
ross_654: posts the ante $10
probirs: posts the ante $10
Iimitless: posts the ante $10
1nvoker: posts the ante $10

Am0ral: folds
ross_654: folds
probirs: folds
Iimitless: calls $25
1nvoker: raises $150 to $200
Iimitless: raises $475 to $675
1nvoker: calls $475

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $1,350.00)

Iimitless: checks
1nvoker: checks

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $1,350.00)

Iimitless: bets $880.11
1nvoker: raises $1280.11 to $2160.22
Iimitless: calls $1280.11

River (Pot : $5,670.44)

Iimitless: bets $3736.28 and is all-in
1nvoker: calls $3736.28

Iimitless: shows AsAh (two pair, Aces and Nines)
1nvoker: shows TcQc (two pair, Queens and Nines)
Iimitless collected $13190 from pot

Total pot $13193 | Rake $3
Board  Qh5d9c9hKh
Seat 1: Am0ral folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 2: ross_654 folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 3: probirs (button) folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 4: Iimitless (small blind) showed AsAh and won ($13190) with two pair, Aces and Nines
Seat 5: 1nvoker (big blind) showed TcQc and lost with two pair, Queens and Nines

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TianYuan    Korea (South). Oct 07 2017 15:52. Posts 6784

I don't get this hand (or 2 card poker in general :D)!

Stupid questions:
1) Is turn a free showdown/merge (feels unlikely, just checking since my by PLO standards it feels like we are bluffing + the lead on river) raise or is it just straight up value and he's shoving every river (I assume he isn't shoving this one if checked to... especially as oop is leading)
2) What kind of hands does SB have on the river that are bluffing? I have absolutely no idea what bet/call range on turn looks like (haven't played NL in 8 years).

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Hm.. Off-suite socks..Last edit: 07/10/2017 16:41

Stroggoz   New Zealand. Oct 07 2017 17:01. Posts 4402

Hard for me to understand this hand as well, actually.

my guess is that the turn raise will be a mix of Qx, 9x and some semi bluffs. For the Qx, it is free showdown value, for 9x, it raise for value, and then of course the bluffs in his range, though there really shouldn't be many at all i think. The turn range with the small raise needs to be well balanced enough on turn so that it is difficult for limitless to 3bet jam the turn with overpairs and good Qx and still be +ev, if BB's strategy to is to find an easy showdown with Qx, and he wants to realize equity with any semi bluff, then he can't be jammed on in that spot.

On this river, it's a big scare card, I can see IP checking back a 9 here. limitless could jam all their worst hands, including a lot of Qx, but it should still be a very hard call for QT here, so i'm really sure about river and i could be way off, would be interested in someone elses analysis.

supposed to have greenstar not braceletLast edit: 07/10/2017 17:02

lebowski   Greece. Oct 07 2017 18:03. Posts 9097

such a confusing hand...
the turn raise isn't really that small, it's 2.5x over a more than half pot bet, assuming he just called turn and 2/3 river instead of raising he'd pay about the same minus the protection from random draws and overs (but would he call vs a shove?),
limitless shoving allin is probably him saying "I'm never folding anyway so shove and maybe get called by Kx?"
how QT is a call there I don't understand at all

new shit has come to light... a-and... shit! man...Last edit: 07/10/2017 20:57

drone666   Brasil. Oct 07 2017 22:25. Posts 1696

the turn raise with QT I kinda understand because of his size, many players do this in HU ip to get cheap showdowns and a mix 9x+ and some weak draws that are not good calls ( maybe KJ KT? if he thinks are not strong enough to call, just trying to find logic lol ), but then river I have no idea what's going on, oop player should lead river cards that are good for his range that IP will most likely check back, usually some flushes and some other hands that block the flushes but I dont understand how AA fits in this range, unless he's bluffing and got called by a worse hand ( but even then blocking Ah is random because players shouldnt take an agressive line with AhXh on this turn )

Or if he thinks IP shoving range on this river would be 9x+, flushes and weak miss draws that can play perfectly, and checking back Qx Kx that might hero call this river since oop is repping narrowish given the fact that turn is dry and went bet/small raise and their ranges are big to get to the river

who knows lol

Stroggoz, did you pio this hand ?

Stroggoz   New Zealand. Oct 08 2017 00:33. Posts 4402

I tried to pio this hand, but i havn't analyzed their sb, bb preflop ranges well enough to trust the results, and pio hates raising the turn with Qx IP, pio really doesn't like the cheap showdown strategy haha. So i nodelocked it a bit to include tons of Qx, then i basically gave up.

supposed to have greenstar not bracelet 

Baalim   Mexico. Oct 08 2017 08:25. Posts 32956

invoker buchered that hand

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