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Handnr: 1050321
Submitted by : Bejamin1

PokerStars Hand #129340875899: Omaha Pot Limit ($0.25/$0.50 USD) - 2015/01/25 21:41:17 ET
Table Naef IV 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: Halo_Mietku ($86.96 in chips)
Seat 2: Szadd ($50.50 in chips)
Seat 3: Bejamin1 ($64.26 in chips)
Seat 4: Arkan1985 ($26.97 in chips)
Seat 5: CHIEFNOTELL ($119.11 in chips)
Seat 6: UnderRated ($43.86 in chips)
Arkan1985: posts small blind $0.25
CHIEFNOTELL: posts big blind $0.50

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to Bejamin1 As9cQcAd
UnderRated: raises $1.25 to $1.75
Halo_Mietku: folds
Szadd: folds
Bejamin1: calls $1.75
Arkan1985: raises $3.25 to $5
CHIEFNOTELL: folds
UnderRated: calls $3.25
Bejamin1: raises $15.50 to $20.50
Arkan1985: calls $15.50
UnderRated: calls $15.50

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $62.00)

   QdKd7h
Arkan1985: bets $6.47 and is all-in
UnderRated: raises $16.89 to $23.36 and is all-in
Bejamin1: calls $23.36

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $115.19)

   QdKd7h5c

River (Pot : $115.19)

   QdKd7h5cJc

Showdown
UnderRated: shows 8dTdAhJh (a straight, Ten to Ace)
Bejamin1: shows As9cQcAd (a pair of Aces)
UnderRated collected $33.78 from side pot
Arkan1985: shows Tc9dKsKc (a straight, Nine to King)
UnderRated collected $78.91 from main pot

Summary
Total pot $115.19 Main pot $78.91. Side pot $33.78. | Rake $2.50
Board  QdKd7h5cJc
Seat 1: Halo_Mietku folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 2: Szadd folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 3: Bejamin1 (button) showed As9cQcAd and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 4: Arkan1985 (small blind) showed Tc9dKsKc and lost with a straight, Nine to King
Seat 5: CHIEFNOTELL (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: UnderRated showed 8dTdAhJh and won ($112.69) with a straight, Ten to Ace

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Bejamin1   Canada. Feb 27 2015 04:17. Posts 7042

This is an old hand, but just a point of contention. It seems like it'd be pretty darn simple for HEM3 or whatever it's at now and PT4 to calculate EV by street. Then it would have actual value for looking at our games and evaluating them in some light, at least major trends in particular spots. But because of hands like this, and many others, EV and EVbb is totally worthless as a statistic. Generally for better players I would think it shows you as running better than you actually are (as good players aren't calling off their last $5 after sucking out very often) but in general this seems like a really simple thing to fix and I struggle to wonder why nobody has ever corrected it. Why the heck should the entire EV of a pot be based on the last street where money went in.

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Twisted    Netherlands. Feb 27 2015 12:50. Posts 10422

There's many spots where you get a huge draw on the turn for example, the guy makes a potbet which leaves 10bb behind that you don't shove in the last 10bb. In spots where you have like 45% equity there's no need to throw in the last 10bb in because you can still fold on the river when you miss whereas people will never fold their last 10bb on the river when you do hit. Can save a lot of money in the long run.

But I see your point. Then again, EV doesn't really tell any picture really in PLO. You can run above EV while running terribly as well.


traxamillion   United States. Feb 27 2015 22:11. Posts 10468

so much of EV is situational (most of it imo) so I don't even bother with all in ev anymore and haven't in years


 

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