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Handnr: 1050253
Submitted by : Bejamin1

PokerStars Hand #131146953503: Omaha Pot Limit ($0.25/$0.50 USD) - 2015/02/25 20:50:38 ET
Table Nymphe III 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: JaazkJohan ($131.60 in chips)
Seat 2: Bejamin1 ($50 in chips)
Seat 3: MGL4003 ($47.89 in chips)
Seat 4: P-Tius ($50 in chips)
Seat 5: newbee8911 ($64.56 in chips)
P-Tius: posts small blind $0.25
newbee8911: posts big blind $0.50

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to Bejamin1 AdQh3cTs
JaazkJohan: folds
Bejamin1: raises $1 to $1.50
MGL4003: folds
P-Tius: calls $1.25
newbee8911: calls $1

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $4.50)

   JdTc7d
P-Tius: checks
newbee8911: checks
Bejamin1: checks

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $4.50)

   JdTc7d6d
P-Tius: bets $3
newbee8911: calls $3
Bejamin1: raises $10.90 to $13.90
P-Tius: folds
newbee8911: calls $10.90

River (Pot : $35.30)

   JdTc7d6dAs
newbee8911: checks
Bejamin1: bets $23
newbee8911: calls $23

Showdown
Bejamin1: shows AdQh3cTs (two pair, Aces and Tens)
newbee8911: shows 5dTh9c4d (a flush, Jack high)
newbee8911 collected $78.80 from pot

Summary
Total pot $81.30 | Rake $2.50
Board  JdTc7d6dAs
Seat 1: JaazkJohan folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 2: Bejamin1 showed AdQh3cTs and lost with two pair, Aces and Tens
Seat 3: MGL4003 (button) folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 4: P-Tius (small blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 5: newbee8911 (big blind) showed 5dTh9c4d and won ($78.80) with a flush, Jack high

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Bejamin1   Canada. Feb 26 2015 02:53. Posts 7042

I keep telling myself it's wrong not to bet it out in this spot... but man oh man why is it every time i get hero called by baby flusehs.. yet rarely get paid with I have the A high flushl ol

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CasualGambler   . Feb 26 2015 03:00. Posts 186

damn

 Last edit: 26/02/2015 03:01

traxamillion   United States. Feb 26 2015 03:11. Posts 10468

I pot for value since their range is heavy on flushes so I have to pot here as a bluff. Maybe they think like this too so they thought it smelled fishy and called.


traxamillion   United States. Feb 26 2015 03:12. Posts 10468

Pretty standard bluff tho NH


Bejamin1   Canada. Feb 26 2015 03:37. Posts 7042

It feels standard, but I actually have so little success with this line that I'm really starting to question it. Which is strange, because overall I find I don't get that much action with the A-high flush when I actually have it in these spots. Probably just running sort of weird over the short term. I think I size the nut flush the same way, and I guess it certainly looks like I should haha.

What I find odd about this is, when villain refuses to fold to the turn re-pop there seem to be 3 possibilities:
1. He has a set and will fold to river pressure.
2. He has a baby flush and is one of those players who can't fold it (which should be rare, but apparently isn't).
3. He has a baby flush but never believes one bullet.

My heart wants to believe most of the time it will be 3 - but I'm finding it quite consistent in terms of PLO50 trends that when a player refuses to give up after flop + turn bets or a similarly strength-showing turn-raise vs. 2 opponents they rarely give up on the river. They're just going to take those two cards to the grave hell or high water. I dunno, it's something to think about but so much of me feels that it can't really be wrong to bluff here, but with the way I get river-snapped in this spot so often I'm not so sure anymore.

Sorry dude he Jason Bourned me. -Johnny Drama 

traxamillion   United States. Feb 26 2015 03:39. Posts 10468

i see player 2s a decent amount honestly


traxamillion   United States. Feb 26 2015 03:44. Posts 10468

Also when you have the ace high flush u hold at least one more diamond so that makes for slightly less flush combos for villain. So it would make sense to get called a little more with the naked Ad. But I imagine this effect would be so minuscule you wouldn't ever notice it so you are probably just running bad


Bejamin1   Canada. Feb 26 2015 03:54. Posts 7042

You mentioned it before, but I'm wondering if my sizing here is a major error. My sizing means I only need to turn up with A-Rag bluff 28% of the time for villain to break-even. He doesn't have to be right that much for it to be a good call. Although still I suppose most players will simply have it here a lot of the time... hmmm. Honestly maybe it's just much-ado-about-nothing and a totally standard bluff with just unfortunate run-bad I don't know. I tend to over-think things when I have a bad day like today was.

Sorry dude he Jason Bourned me. -Johnny Drama 

Twisted    Netherlands. Feb 26 2015 12:05. Posts 10422

80/40 fish don't fold flushes on non-paired boards. Also, checking behind the nutflushdraw on the flop is not something you would do 100% of the time as well so your line kinda looks like AdXXX. On a flop like this you almost always have something to go along with your nutflushdraw when you do in fact have the nfd so you'd bet it.

 Last edit: 26/02/2015 12:06

KeyleK_uk   United Kingdom. Feb 26 2015 21:18. Posts 1687

ye its ridiculous, if you took this line with the nfd you would expect to get paid so how can you expect him to fold. i think this is a pretty bad bluff. Very few of your nfd hands will check this flop. you're thinking about the wrong things.

poker is soooo much easier when you flop setsLast edit: 26/02/2015 21:19

 

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