snap call

u think? hes super aggro but pretty good too. doubt hes jamming AJ/KQ/KJ/AA/K7 kind of hands

Thought about this hand for quite a bit and I believe you should call. He is getting to this turn like this (3bet + check/call flop) every time with AcQx,AcJx and very often with KxQc,AcAx,QcQx,JcJx. These are all candidates that he can shove the turn with, some more likely than others. Nutted hands like QJ and flushes are heavily discounted. I see him check raising or cbetting very often with QJ as well as flush draws since almost all his flush draws have a gut shot or open ender to go with it. The range that you are beat by is relatively narrow, KT,K9,K8 which will not often 3bet preflop, and KK. However this is all based on my default read that he is not check/calling the flop with the nuts or high equity flush draws. If you have reads that he is doing that sometimes then this should be a pretty obvious fold because your hand just won't have enough equity against his range.

On August 29 2013 20:51 AndrewSong wrote: u think? hes super aggro but pretty good too. doubt hes jamming AJ/KQ/KJ/AA/K7 kind of hands

what do you think he is CCing flop and jaming turn then?

On August 29 2013 23:24 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On August 29 2013 20:51 AndrewSong wrote: u think? hes super aggro but pretty good too. doubt hes jamming AJ/KQ/KJ/AA/K7 kind of hands what do you think he is CCing flop and jaming turn then?

he was 3betting 27% after 600 hands. at this point, I think he was aware that I started taking my equity in position with debatable 3barrel hands with weak to no showdown.

I would guess that he was jamming precisely 3 combos of AcJo, flushes and two pair. Having twopair and thinking about it little too long I convinced myself that he could be jamming AcQ/J8/79 kind of hands thinking he may be able to get me off Tx but looking at it after the match, it's probably unlikely with how the match was progressing.

If he's jamming the range you put him on I'm probably folding but it's really close and it's a great card for him to jam.

If I was in your spot I'd probably check/jam my whole range. I don't love it but I think it's probably the most long term EV play.

then again I'm a washed up has been. cool hand.

On August 30 2013 00:24 AndrewSong wrote: Show nested quote + On August 29 2013 23:24 Baalim wrote:   On August 29 2013 20:51 AndrewSong wrote: u think? hes super aggro but pretty good too. doubt hes jamming AJ/KQ/KJ/AA/K7 kind of hands what do you think he is CCing flop and jaming turn then? he was 3betting 27% after 600 hands. at this point, I think he was aware that I started taking my equity in position with debatable 3barrel hands with weak to no showdown. I would guess that he was jamming precisely 3 combos of AcJo, flushes and two pair. Having twopair and thinking about it little too long I convinced myself that he could be jamming AcQ/J8/79 kind of hands thinking he may be able to get me off Tx but looking at it after the match, it's probably unlikely with how the match was progressing.

by "taking my equity" you mean playing passively the weaker part of your range?

On August 30 2013 00:58 nolan wrote: If he's jamming the range you put him on I'm probably folding but it's really close and it's a great card for him to jam. If I was in your spot I'd probably check/jam my whole range. I don't love it but I think it's probably the most long term EV play. then again I'm a washed up has been. cool hand.

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On August 30 2013 01:10 n0rthf4ce wrote: Show nested quote + On August 30 2013 00:24 AndrewSong wrote:   On August 29 2013 23:24 Baalim wrote:   On August 29 2013 20:51 AndrewSong wrote: u think? hes super aggro but pretty good too. doubt hes jamming AJ/KQ/KJ/AA/K7 kind of hands what do you think he is CCing flop and jaming turn then? he was 3betting 27% after 600 hands. at this point, I think he was aware that I started taking my equity in position with debatable 3barrel hands with weak to no showdown. I would guess that he was jamming precisely 3 combos of AcJo, flushes and two pair. Having twopair and thinking about it little too long I convinced myself that he could be jamming AcQ/J8/79 kind of hands thinking he may be able to get me off Tx but looking at it after the match, it's probably unlikely with how the match was progressing. by "taking my equity" you mean playing passively the weaker part of your range?

it's a fancy way of saying checking it back. I think it would be best to give up with the weakest part of ur range since you have too many combo of hands that is almost flipping or 33% at worst even vs strongest of their c/c range in absolute strength(AA/KK, KT etc). I mean it's a annoying board to play in 3b pots because a lot of ur hands are doing so well vs certain part of their range while being completely dead on other. (KK vs J8, TJ vs J8)

looks like a fold to me

actually the more i think about it the closer it seems.

probly actually doesnt matter too much what u do here. u r up a big stack on him i might prefer to fold just to avoid the variance and not give him the chance to pick up some momentum.

what better hands than ours are taking this line? wtf, so many JcT AcXx that could be semibluffing here