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Handnr: 1006797
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***** Hand History for Game 1111111111 ***** Poker Stars
$100.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Monday, April 08, 07:23:17 ET 2013
Table Triangulum 12 Real Money
Seat 1 is the button
Seat 1: Hero $144.31 USD - VPIP: 22, PFR: 17, 3B: 8, AF: 2.9, Hands: 885021
Seat 2: Player2 $98.36 USD - VPIP: 29, PFR: 14, 3B: 0, AF: NaN, Hands: 7
Seat 3: Player3 $100.00 USD - VPIP: 36, PFR: 21, 3B: 17, AF: 2.0, Hands: 14
Seat 4: Player4 $100.00 USD - VPIP: 20, PFR: 17, 3B: 7, AF: 2.9, Hands: 208
Seat 5: Player5 $103.00 USD - VPIP: 30, PFR: 28, 3B: 12, AF: 6.8, Hands: 396
Seat 6: Player6 $100.00 USD - VPIP: 17, PFR: 11, 3B: 4, AF: 3.3, Hands: 107
Player2 posts small blind [$0.50 USD].
Player3 posts big blind [$1.00 USD].

Holecards
Dealt to Hero [AsQs ]
Player4 folds
Player5 raises [$2.50 USD]
Player6 folds
Hero calls [$2.50 USD]
Player2 calls [$2.00 USD]
Player3 calls [$1.50 USD]

Flop (Pot : $10.00)

   2d3hQh
Player2 checks
Player3 bets [$7.00 USD]
Player5 calls [$7.00 USD]
Hero calls [$7.00 USD]
Player2 folds

Turn (Pot : $31.00)

   2d3hQhTs
Player3 bets [$21.00 USD]
Player5 folds
Hero calls [$21.00 USD]

River (Pot : $73.00)

   2d3hQhTs6s
Player3 checks

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barbieman   Sweden. Apr 08 2013 19:50. Posts 2132

After flatting flop and turn, we have 0 fds in our range except maybe KThh, KJhh?
So there's not even really any point in theoretically shoving here to protect our bluff shoves.
I would expect him to shove his strongest value hands since fd missed and we can't have many missed draws,
and he folds or squeeze KQo pre.

oh, he's 36/20, so even if that is the correct thinking that all that prolly goes out the window...

Hands he could ch/c with here being 36/20 is prolly something like :
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 43.243% 43.24% 00.00% 16 0.00 { 33-22, AhTh, KQs, KhTh, Q9s+, JhTh, 54s, KQo, QTo+ }
Hand 1: 56.757% 56.76% 00.00% 21 0.00 { AsQs }

Some of those are probably a bit too generous and I think we are closer to flipping.
I'd check back unless I thought he'd shove his stronger hands and bluff-catch with with KQ etc.

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the cleaner   Cape Verde. Apr 08 2013 20:00. Posts 3013

thanks man

Before you criticize a man, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, when you do criticize him, you will be a mile away and have his shoes. 

Pb   Greece. Apr 08 2013 21:16. Posts 98

This is a pretty trivial 3bet pre, if we have any 3bet range at all. As for the river there is no way we can make any assumptions vs an unknown about how he constructs his c/c range so its better to not take that into consideration when we construct our shoving range which should definately include AQ with kq being borderline between checking and shoving.


HeRoS)eNGagE   Canada. Apr 08 2013 22:38. Posts 10877


  On April 08 2013 18:50 barbieman wrote:
After flatting flop and turn, we have 0 fds in our range except maybe KThh, KJhh?



why?


jaacsin   Mexico. Apr 08 2013 23:25. Posts 327

Why no 3bet pre? and why not shove here against a 36/21 with TPTK?

I knew a man once who said; Death smiles at us all. All a man can do is smile back. 

TalentedTom    Canada. Apr 09 2013 00:12. Posts 20070

i jam here almost 100% of time, i think including 22-33, QT in villians hand range is ridicilous. If i had to guess I'd say he jams them 85%+ of the time, only hand im worried about is AA/KK at this point, i can think of a lot of draw combos that hanve 1 pair, as well as QJ/QK
"Some of those are probably a bit too generous and I think we are closer to flipping. " i'd say your analysis here is incredibly pesimistic. The type of game you are suggesting is nit vs nit, this is how weak passive players play against one another

Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light not our darkness that most frightens us and as we let our own lights shine we unconsciously give other people permision to do the sameLast edit: 09/04/2013 00:14

the cleaner   Cape Verde. Apr 09 2013 00:18. Posts 3013

i shoved he had 22. pretty big mistake for him not to lead river imo.

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TalentedTom    Canada. Apr 09 2013 00:28. Posts 20070


  On April 08 2013 22:25 jaacsin wrote:
Why no 3bet pre? and why not shove here against a 36/21 with TPTK?



21 hands isnt a huge same size, we are basically just discussing lines vs randoms here. I like jamming vs a random here

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TalentedTom    Canada. Apr 09 2013 00:29. Posts 20070

him showing up with 22 is very surprising to me, would not prevent me from value stacking myself again next orbit if the same situation came up

Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light not our darkness that most frightens us and as we let our own lights shine we unconsciously give other people permision to do the same 

the cleaner   Cape Verde. Apr 09 2013 00:42. Posts 3013

agree

Before you criticize a man, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, when you do criticize him, you will be a mile away and have his shoes. 

handbanana21   United States. Apr 09 2013 02:36. Posts 3023

villain put u on KJhh J9hh


MARSHALL28   United States. Apr 09 2013 03:13. Posts 1897

river is super clear chk back. this is a 4 way pot. turn is potentially even a fold. if u had Ah in your hand id probly say fold turn.


waga   United Kingdom. Apr 09 2013 06:37. Posts 2375


  On April 09 2013 02:13 MARSHALL28 wrote:
river is super clear chk back. this is a 4 way pot. turn is potentially even a fold. if u had Ah in your hand id probly say fold turn.



Thanks I thought was an uber nit


Mardagg   Germany. Apr 09 2013 09:56. Posts 843

i check back river,too.He bets big into 2 callers on turn.I expect him to have many draws here or a really good hand.
River is somehow a blank ,but 45 gets there.I expect him to bet and would call most rivers to catch missed draw bluffs.


Gaytrix   United States. Apr 09 2013 12:27. Posts 93

against an unknown im value betting riv all day like 28$ or something and puke if he shoves


GoTuNk   Chile. Apr 10 2013 09:02. Posts 2821

I'm with Tom here, can't beleive someone c/c a set
I'd bet 20 though (bet fold or call depends on raise), he can have lots of 1p+FD as Tom said.


 

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