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Gigabeef United Kingdom. Oct 28 2010 18:32. Posts 111

Ok so I've been thinking for a while about tuning my play to the 2/5c games and about cbetting and all that, so rather than just thinking about it I just cranked out some HEM to look at a few things.

I am just wondering if these stats are reasonable to draw conclusions from because I know that some can be extremely misleading by not understanding the filters properly.

So I wanted to know about cbetting primarily to start with, and filtered for cbet made = true which looks fine and up. I changed it to vpip = true (so it doesn't get raped by the blinds) and searched for flop cbet = false, which also looked fine. At this stage I don't particularly care what is going on in the graph as long as the slope is in the up direction.

Next I wondered how cbetting without a hand was, and so I again set cbet made = true, along with the 'hand values' tab set to any high card, and then any high card and low pairs. Both of these graphs sucks massive ass, with a lot of money lost, so I set cbet made = false and this one also has loads of money lost, but a little more than cbetting.

Just now I quickly had a look at (again with high card + low pp) cbetting the flop and then cbetting/not cbetting the turn. Its an incredibly small sample where I've cbetted both (57 hands or so), but I'm actually up there but as I said that could be due to the number of hands. Not surprisingly, hands where I cbetted the flop and then didnt cbet the turn also have masses of losses.

I'm not really sure what this tells me, the only thing I can see is that it is marginally better to make a cbet with air in the spots that I have been choosing as opposed to not bothering and just giving up, and possible I need to cbet the turn more even when called on the flop on good boards.

How do you guys check for really simple and obvious leak spots?

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thumbz555 United States. Oct 28 2010 19:42. Posts 3281

u shouldn't need HEM to plug leaks at 5NL, just play, play, play
Just look at how ppl play and adjust:
Fish can't fold a pair: bet, bet, bet, never bluff
nit never ch/raises flop without a monster: fold TPGK to nit ch/r
etc.

I click buttons.

jchysk United States. Oct 28 2010 19:57. Posts 435

It sounds like you've got the right idea of how to use a database to locate leaks. Might even be overkill for $5 NL, but the important thing is to make sure you have large samples of data when trying to draw solid conclusions.

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Gigabeef United Kingdom. Oct 28 2010 20:28. Posts 111

Lol I have been trying really super hard, I just can't seem to do it atm. I mostly 2 table, but do move to 3 and occasionally 4 when I'm feeling extra focussed. I never bluff against fish and try to stack them with TPGK+ but fold to reraises especially if they are passive, try to steal blinds against two around <16 vpip players. I'm taking masses of notes to try and help make decisions in later hands. I try to play standard against players until they show the way they are really playing. I'm playing in position FAR more than oop against the fish.

I'm just not sure atm, they seem to fold alot when I bet/bet/bet (especially on the turn, I get a lot of flop calls but rarely will they call the turn) and call when I'm value owning myself on their decent hands like 2pair and sets etc.

Theres one spot that really annoys the hell out of me, which I think I will post some hands of soon but its just the whole: I raise preflop (with something like AQ), hit a Q and bet to get value from flushdraws and lower kickered top pairs on flop and turn, flush/straight hits on river and the fish just shoves. I basically just fold but I lose like 1/2 a buyin whenever that happens and it FEELS like they do it more than reasonable, might just be selective memory though.

Also there seem to be a total tonne of players who love to reraise relatively frequently from the bb when you try to raise anything from the sb, but because its 5nl you usually only get to play like 30-40 hands with most people so you never get a chance to see if they are actually out of line or not. I lose a lot of non showdown to folding to 3bets pre. One guy did it today (and he was pretty tight, 23/17 on my left and not out of line or anything) and I 4bet got it in with something decent, cant quite remember what, but he showed up with Q7o.

Played 15k hands so far since I started trying to get through 5nl again this month, so far I'm simply down $40 so I am just really trying any way to see what the hell I can do to improve. I don't want to blame variance and small sample sizes but it also takes me a long time to get 15k hands so its a little demoralising.

I'm quite frustrated, going away for the weekend though so I'm going to take a break and come back to this fresh next week and also restart my graph for a new month, because even if Allin EV is not a great 'runbad indicator', -$65 on it still makes me cringe a little as to how few allins I've been winning at all. But in the longterm that shouldn't be an issue, so I'm just going to start next month fresh and motivated.

Ty guys for the help as always

Cooperstown83 United States. Oct 30 2010 01:43. Posts 73

Honestly I've been having a lot of success just folding anything thats not the nuts or close to it. Value bet your strong hands and wait for bad players to make mistakes because they make a ton of them.