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dairy brag? wth?

Raw dairy is the nuts. More ppl need to check it out, what can i say? :D

My soulreading calls your glasses IKEA??

IR_winnar

Hey, I know you eat raw/organic, I have been trying to get into it for quite some time now. Just wondering.. what are the health benefits of eating raw/organic dairy or even organic meat, compared to regular meat and dairy? I did some research on it but the articles I read just explain how the anirmals are mistreated and fed corn/hoofs/grains insted of what they'd eat naturally, how they get little exercise and get pumped with anti biotics and hormones.. But does that really make the meat bad to eat? Does organic meat have more vitamins and minerals? dunno if it's worth the extra money going organic, when im buying chicken breasts the chicken is alot smaller and almost double the price. :S

I guess a big factor is that the food is not processed or manipulated in any way to keep it preserved f.e

I am pretty sure that having a 30" monitor and not using it is some sort of crime/travesty?

On September 09 2010 04:05 k4ir0s wrote: Hey, I know you eat raw/organic, I have been trying to get into it for quite some time now. Just wondering.. what are the health benefits of eating raw/organic dairy or even organic meat, compared to regular meat and dairy? I did some research on it but the articles I read just explain how the anirmals are mistreated and fed corn/hoofs/grains insted of what they'd eat naturally, how they get little exercise and get pumped with anti biotics and hormones.. But does that really make the meat bad to eat? Does organic meat have more vitamins and minerals? dunno if it's worth the extra money going organic, when im buying chicken breasts the chicken is alot smaller and almost double the price. :S

i'll get back to you a bit later, grinding right now k?

On September 09 2010 03:54 Chinatown13 wrote: My soulreading calls your glasses IKEA?? IR_winnar

confirmed

On September 09 2010 04:26 Funktion wrote: I am pretty sure that having a 30" monitor and not using it is some sort of crime/travesty?

hehe i used it to watch movies with some friends a while ago but yea not using it at all :D

Isn't unpasteurized milk bad for your digestive system? From Wikipedia:

According to the Center for Disease Control and Prevention, more than 300 people in the United States got sick from drinking raw milk or eating cheese made from raw milk in 2001, and nearly 200 became ill from these products in 2002. "Drinking raw milk or eating raw milk products is like playing Russian roulette with your health," says John Sheehan, director of the Food and Drug Administration's Division of Dairy and Egg Safety. "We see a number of cases of food-borne illness every year related to the consumption of raw milk." [16] In 2006, the California Department of Food and Agriculture temporarily quarantined milk and cream from Organic Pastures, California's largest raw milk producer, after four children were stricken with E. coli O157:H7 bacterial illness. The department determined that the common link in all four cases "was consumption of raw milk or raw colostrum from Organic Pastures in the week prior to symptom onset."17] Milk collected or stored in unsanitary conditions may harbor a host of disease-causing organisms (pathogens), such as tuberculosis (Mycobacterium bovis), the bacteria Campylobacter (Campylobacteriosis), Escherichia E. coli O157:H7), Listeria (Listeriosis), Salmonella (Salmonellosis), Yersinia (Yersinia enterocolitica), and Brucella (Brucellosis). Pasteurization consistently removes all of these pathogens, though they can be reintroduced if the product is handled carelessly. Common symptoms of food-borne illness from many of these types of bacteria include diarrhea, stomach cramps, fever, headache, vomiting, and exhaustion. Healthy adults typically recover from such food-borne illness within a short time, but others such as tuberculosis have symptoms that are chronic, severe, or life-threatening. People with weakened immune systems, such as elderly, children, and those with certain diseases or conditions, are most at risk for severe infections from pathogens that can contaminate raw milk. In pregnant women, Listeria monocytogenes-caused illness can result in miscarriage, fetal death, or illness or death of a newborn infant, and Escherichia coli (E. coli) infection has been linked to hemolytic uremic syndrome, a condition that can cause kidney failure and death. Non-governmental groups such as the American Academy of Pediatrics also warn that raw milk is dangerous (especially for children).[18] and the Center for Food Safety and Applied Nutrition (CFSAN) is also opposed.[19] The Centers for Disease Control (CDC) cite numerous cases of serious or fatal infections caused by raw milk, with E. coli O157:H7 being the most important because it can cause the hemolytic-uremic syndrome, a life-threatening condition.[20] In a CDC report, numerous cases were traced to raw milk from a cow-share program in Cowlitz County, Washington. After five children were hospitalized, a court order was issued to bring the farm into compliance.[21] In 2007, Kansas State University published a list of outbreaks[22] associated with consuming raw milk or dairy products and an article[23] about the investigation of raw milk outbreaks. A review of infections associated with raw milk contends that pasteurized milk is just as nutritious as raw milk, so that there is no scientific reason for choosing raw milk products.[24] The health of dairy animals can be managed by continual testing of dairy herds and careful storage of milk products, but some pathogens can not be eliminated from dairy herds since the pathogens are carried by common wildlife (goats, cats, dogs, pigs, buffalo, badgers, possums, deer, and bison).[25] In 2008 scientists discovered that raw milk contains more bacteria than previously thought and identified Chryseobacterium oranimense as well as C. haifense and C. bovis, but the amount found in raw milk has not been proven harmful.

@Kapol,

The reason people pasteurised milk is because there used to be a big problem with hygiene (around 100 years ago) and that just isn't the case nowadays for the most part at least. Things are a lot better now. Organic dairy farms where the cows are fed natural grass diets shouldn't have any problems. Also, something u need to think about is that theres contamination in every kind of food.

Most Salmonella outbreaks are coming from pasteurised milk and not raw milk. This is primarily because when you pasteurise milk you're destroying all the bacteria in it that protects it. When you pasteurise it and kill all the bacteria you're effectively allowing Salmonella to flourish and become a problem. How many people get sick or die from pasteurised milk compared to raw milk? Also, stuff like e.coli is a little deceptive.. did you know theres something like 240 strains of E.coli but only 2-3 are actually harmful? Also, if a cow is raised on a bad diet (corn etc) its more likely to develop these more harmful strains than cows fed natural grass diets.

Theres also a LOT of beneficial bacteria in the milk that is good for us and pasteurisation totally kills all of this. Also some interesting enzymes that are killed during pasteurisation are phosphataste & lactase. Phosphatase is an enzyme thats present in raw milk that helps you absorb the Calcium in it. Lactase is an enzyme that helps you break down and assimilate the Lactose. People who are Lactose intolerant can often (afaik) tolerate and benefit from raw milk

Pasteurised milk is also enriched/fortified with vitamin D often and maybe they add some other stuff i'm not certain but the point is theres very little nutrition to be had in pasteurised milk and actually it's been linked to a whole lot of problems/diseases. Its one of the reasons people think milk is bad -- they're only hearing about the pasteurised milk and not the raw stuff.

anyone who knows a damn thing about health and wellness knows not to trust wikipedia on the topic because it is controlled by the medical establishments...

there are hundreds of thousands of people who eat raw dairy products and for whom its been a staple in their family for a long, long time and who've done great on it. it's about making sure the animals are healthy, and preferably not austin cows (jersey are best).

On September 09 2010 04:05 k4ir0s wrote: Hey, I know you eat raw/organic, I have been trying to get into it for quite some time now. Just wondering.. what are the health benefits of eating raw/organic dairy or even organic meat, compared to regular meat and dairy? I did some research on it but the articles I read just explain how the anirmals are mistreated and fed corn/hoofs/grains insted of what they'd eat naturally, how they get little exercise and get pumped with anti biotics and hormones.. But does that really make the meat bad to eat? Does organic meat have more vitamins and minerals? dunno if it's worth the extra money going organic, when im buying chicken breasts the chicken is alot smaller and almost double the price. :S

Quote from a Mercola article:

Raw milk is an outstanding source of nutrients including beneficial bacteria such as lactobacillus acidolphilus, vitamins and enzmes, and it is, in my estimation, the finest source of calcium available. Pasteurizing milk destroys enzymes, diminishes vitamin, denatures fragile milk proteins,destroys vitamin B12, and vitamin B6, kills beneficial bacteria and promotes pathogens.You may notice that raw milk left out will sour naturally but pasteurized milk will rot. This is because the beneficial bacteria in the raw milk helps to keep putrefactive bacteria under control. Pasteurized milk, however, does not have any of the beneficial bacteria left to keep it from rotting. Then, of course there is the issue of the antibiotics, pesticides and growth hormones and the fact that nearly all commercial dairy cows are raised on grains, not grass, like they were designed to. This will change the composition of the fats in the milk, especially the CLA content.

First of all it tastes better. Same can be said for good quality meats. You can tell the difference between the good stuff and the bad stuff right away with tastebuds alone. I really can't believe how good it tastes. Try to get your grass-fed (preferably organic) meat from a quality butcher or local organic farm. The aforementioned CLA helps to prevent cancer.

People are afraid of fats and cholesterol these days and its sort of related so if you're afraid of them too then read this article cuz it'll blow your mind:
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/art...ense-of-your-cholesterol-numbers.aspx
TL;DR:
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But does that really make the meat bad to eat? Does organic meat have more vitamins and minerals? dunno if it's worth the extra money going organic, when im buying chicken breasts the chicken is alot smaller and almost double the price. :S

Iirc bovine growth hormone is present in the meat and passed onto you when you eat it so are all the pesticides and so forth that the cow consumes. Pesticides are harmful to your health and should be avoided as much as possible. Also, people these days are taking lots of supplements like omega 3 because they're 'deficient' in it. First of all, its the ratio of omega 3:6 thats important. Standard american diets have something like a 1:30 ratio for omega3:omega6 when really it should be in the range of 2.5:1 to 1:4. The only way to know what your omega3:omega6 ratio is at is to get a blood test done to check. The reason they're deficient in it is because they put vegetable oils on everything and eat lots of nutty things like Peanut butter which are very high in omega6 and contain little omega 3. How is this related? Well, properly raised grass-fed organic beef doesn't have this issue. However, eating mass-reared corn fed meat has an imbalanced omega 3:6 ratio and contributes to this problem.

Heres a table of the omega 6 content in some foods and what you should avoid:
http://180degreehealth.blogspot.com/2010/02/omega-6-content-of-common-foods.html

It's worth paying a little extra to eat healthily and feel alive imo. Also, if you eat right you're not gonna get sick or if you do your immune system will crush it so argueably it pays for itself.

Heres a random video about raw milk:


Heres some advice i wrote in nolans blog a while ago & its good to get you started:

Best thing you can do is go 100% organic. Eat a diet with plenty of organic raw vegetables (salads, smoothies, green juices) and a good amount of quality meats from animals raised properly on good diets. You can buy this stuff online shipped to your door. Heres a popular one i see mentioned a lot: http://www.grasslandbeef.com/StoreFront.bok Avoid all processed foods. Its pretty much universally terrible. Avoid microwaves. Avoid refined sugar (table sugar) including soda etc. Avoid refined (white) flour and choose organic (if possible) whole grains instead. Cut out bread and look into sprouted breads if you need an alternative. If u drink alcohol try to get organic at least but limiting or eliminating the consumption of this is gonna be good for you.

I know you didn't ask about it but if you're trying to be healthier look to see if you can find a local spring at: http://www.findaspring.com/
Spring water is the best water source and people usually collect it using 1-5 gallon demijohns once a week. Other good alternatives are wells & filtered tap water. Avoid bottled.

^ good advice for everybody here...


also just want to add i think it's ridiculous that someone knows how badly the animals are treated and still think only about his health instead of whether or not it's ethical to encourage such a practice -_-


on bottled water: EVIAN backwards is NAIVE :D

Forgot to mention eggs. I started eating them more recently. Try to get free range farm raised organic eggs if possible. Rawmodel (a raw foodist) actually has his own chickens which sounds fairly amazing.

Just worked out & made lunch..




Put 1/2 on the plate. Lasts 1-2 medium meals.

Ingredients:
- Whole head of romaine lettuce
- 6 tomatoes
- 180g broccoli (boiled 30 sec & allowed to cool, ate some raw)
- 3 eggs, boiled & chopped
- dash of nama shoyu (like soy sauce except fermented)
- squeezed one lemon & a little celtic sea salt to top it off

..and obv a glass of raw milk.

looks good! :D

Thanks alot for all the advice, theres so much to learn about eating healthy, it gets complicated sometimes. I been slowly making small changes in my diet, slowly going organic and i've already been feeling better and more energenic! Im gonna definitly go looking for an organic farm or butcher, haven't been eating much meat in the past few months after watching the Food inc movie.

doesnt your raw milk come with a whole load of cleaning product residue?

On September 09 2010 11:04 byrnesam wrote: doesnt your raw milk come with a whole load of cleaning product residue?

Well, I highly doubt it but i don't know for sure.

played a little alien swarm, my friend sent me this lol: