Help! NL10 hates me!

Now I got roflfucked. There are many people limping big pockets along with loads of trash. Should I just observe the table before I start really playing like this?
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I should def reraise him on flop right? Would you ever not do it?
This feels like a big big spew at the end of a session that I was winning. 2of a colour and connected board. Bad bad.
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And just to conclude, one of my nice suckouts.

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As you could see in hands, I am down 3BI (yeah thats my overall loss) With KK. 3x AA god me dominated, once set and once nice straight. I of course don't care about these loses, what I am interested in are those above hands and how to improve. I really should not tilt so badly at micros, as there is still plenty of fishes.

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first hand i think i check behind turn, but as played i call river.

second hand i think you played fine

third hand as you said, raise flop ><. as played river is a bit tough, not 100% sure.

fourth hand, lol blz ;p.

Stick with it man, NL10 is ezeh! you're just running bad it seems

My opinions;

1st Hand - Over raise with 89 imo. 5xbb is odd here. No stats on villain, if he is a callstation, you do not want to be playing SC when he is big blind, because he will probably call with any face card. As played, I would prob fire out near to pot size bet here, to find out if he is on a draw or has a Q. Again villain dependent. If he is a callstation he will call down any wild draw. So my advice is, dont bet into a callstation, unless you got strong hand. Its a drawey flop, and I thinkid potsize bet the flop and see what happens (considering your big raise preflop, you need to follow up with strength on flop). If he calls, i am probably giving up here, as the turn makes it even more drawey.

2nd Hand - Nothing really wrong here, just you ran into a bigger pocket pair. When someone min raises me like that on the flop, I would rather 3bet back at him strong, to see where I stand (you have over pocket pair).

3rd Hand - Raise the flop!! Two diamonds on board, you want to win this hand, as soon as and not let these fish draw at you. If they want to draw vs you, make them pay! I would raise this to 1.85 or so. Bit unlucky with runner runner, but standard..

4th Hand - You got it in good, though your all in does look like big bluff, and most fish will look at it and go, "all in! lol he has nothing! i have a str8 draw! call!!"

Yeah, stick with it, just a few unlucky runs. You beat NL10 in no time.

this is why you want a good roll before playing a limit.
so you dont whine every time you lose money.

Wow Great advice on the first hand Chewits thanks!
I raise standard 4BB+X regardless of my hands, do you think I should alter it if the villain is not a reg?




And Goro... I am at 20BI now but I still feel its the best thing to do. I played 30BI before at NL2/5, but after certain point I stopped respecting my BI's and had the massive tendencies to 16table or so.
I don't think its bad I really care a lot about hands that I lost, provided I manage to ignore the suckouts and see them as positive right?

On March 24 2009 06:48 Chewits wrote: My opinions; 1st Hand - Over raise with 89 imo. 5xbb is odd here. No stats on villain, if he is a callstation, you do not want to be playing SC when he is big blind, because he will probably call with any face card. As played, I would prob fire out near to pot size bet here, to find out if he is on a draw or has a Q. Again villain dependent. If he is a callstation he will call down any wild draw. So my advice is, dont bet into a callstation, unless you got strong hand. Its a drawey flop, and I thinkid potsize bet the flop and see what happens (considering your big raise preflop, you need to follow up with strength on flop). If he calls, i am probably giving up here, as the turn makes it even more drawey. 2nd Hand - Nothing really wrong here, just you ran into a bigger pocket pair. When someone min raises me like that on the flop, I would rather 3bet back at him strong, to see where I stand (you have over pocket pair). 3rd Hand - Raise the flop!! Two diamonds on board, you want to win this hand, as soon as and not let these fish draw at you. If they want to draw vs you, make them pay! I would raise this to 1.85 or so. Bit unlucky with runner runner, but standard.. 4th Hand - You got it in good, though your all in does look like big bluff, and most fish will look at it and go, "all in! lol he has nothing! i have a str8 draw! call!!".

Agree with all of this although I am happy with your flat on the flop in hand 3 as long as you are prepared to give up or keep pot small if the next diamond hits. If it makes you feel better this donk didnt have the odds to call your turn bet - see beloow from PokerStove

Board: 5d 9c Jd Ts
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 77.273% 77.27% 00.00% 34 0.00 { 9d9s }
Hand 1: 22.727% 22.73% 00.00% 10 0.00 { QcQs }

So assuming equity evens itself out in the long run then this is good for you as you made him make a mistake

1st hand. 5x is good standard (I open raise 3x but isolation raise 5x btw) but against 50bb stack I iso for 4bb, and 20bb stack for 3. I dont barrel the turn without a really good reason to but definately cbet here (just like you cbet any other flop vs most of these limp callers)

2nd I make it .7 or .6 pre, other than that is fine, but Id rather check raise turn. You can also ship flop too being out of position.

3rd I raise flop because theres scare cards that can kill action, and his second barrel range is like the same as his get in on flop range anyway?

I would rather 3bet back at him strong, to see where I stand

No offence or anything but that was quite funny :>

On March 24 2009 07:01 LemOn[5thF] wrote: Wow Great advice on the first hand Chewits thanks! I raise standard 4BB+X regardless of my hands, do you think I should alter it if the villain is not a reg? And Goro... I am at 20BI now but I still feel its the best thing to do. I played 30BI before at NL2/5, but after certain point I stopped respecting my BI's and had the massive tendencies to 16table or so. I don't think its bad I really care a lot about hands that I lost, provided I manage to ignore the suckouts and see them as positive right?

you should always care about winning even if you have 1000 bi's. Losing is totally standard in poker, try to get used to it and take it like a man. ;]

On March 24 2009 07:27 auffenpuffer wrote: 1st hand. 5x is good standard (I open raise 3x but isolation raise 5x btw) but against 50bb stack I iso for 4bb, and 20bb stack for 3. I dont barrel the turn without a really good reason to but definately cbet here (just like you cbet any other flop vs most of these limp callers) 2nd I make it .7 or .6 pre, other than that is fine, but Id rather check raise turn. You can also ship flop too being out of position. 3rd I raise flop because theres scare cards that can kill action, and his second barrel range is like the same as his get in on flop range anyway? Show nested quote + I would rather 3bet back at him strong, to see where I stand No offence or anything but that was quite funny :>

What is funny? I am saying, I have over pair, and its a dead board, and its NL10. And he min rasies me. It just usually means bullshit at these limits. AT least by 3betting, im repping a hand, rather than calling, and seeing a face card on turn/river that scares me.

On March 24 2009 07:01 LemOn[5thF] wrote: Wow Great advice on the first hand Chewits thanks! I raise standard 4BB+X regardless of my hands, do you think I should alter it if the villain is not a reg?

Definetly. Look out for players with high vpip and low pfr, ie Callstations. I dont like playing suited connector hands like these when a callstation is on the big blind, cuz if you miss, you just gonna donate to them, as even if u cbet, they will call any pair/draw

its funny because of
1) he has put 40% of his stack in on the flop, so what kind of information are we looking for here, and what do we do with information after its all in already?
2) the idea of raising overpair oop on dryboard to gain information is at fundamentals quite riduculous. What kind of info do you think there is to be obtained? He raises (tho he cant do that in this hand because we raise him all in), and now you know he is either spew bluffing, overplaying a pair, raising with a draw, or clicking buttons. If he calls you know that he is calling with a pair, calling with a draw or clicking buttons. Or if he folds, sure you gain the information that he folded a runner runner draw. So how do you modify your play after raising with the information you gain?

Now your reasoning for it is

1) "And he min rasies me. It just usually means bullshit at these limits." yes I agree, so we can valueraise to get it in, or call inducing bluff later. I mean "he probably doesnt have a hand, so its correct to 3bet all in to gain information?" non sequitur

2) "AT least by 3betting, im repping a hand, rather than calling, and seeing a face card on turn/river that scares me." calling on this board obviously reps the hand that we have, as does 3betting. Actually merit of 3bet is that it reps weaker range but I dont assume him to even notice. I agree that its a problem with calling that we kinda have to give 2 scare cards so thats a good reason to 3bet. However this argument again has nothing to do with "raise to gain information". Its a value raise if you raise to get in vs weaker before scare cards falls.



I agree with raising there because we have the so called nuts but wouldnt like giving 2 free cards, but gaining information has nothing to do with it.

Miss worded I guess.

i didnt read any of posts above

here are my 2 cents

1) yes u should play SC esp. late position
check turn behind
2) i guess it's ok ... reason is b/c he open limped button.. and his hand range is limited on that flop and turn is prob fine.. i would maybe go for a c/r sometimes
3)raise flop try to get it in faster b/c it's draw heavy board

hand1 : there's no reason to bet the turn, he's never folding a hand better than yours and I dont think you should expect to stack people when you have 3rd pair. raising 89s pf from the co is fine.

hand2: in fullring I think this is spewy, the flop minraise is typically a very strong hand, and when he continues on the turn you're almost never good. you're gonna see 2x/44/TT+ a lot more here than 55-88 and if you are trying to stack 55-88 you should just 3bet the flop because every turn card is going to be bad for you. I think the best play is just folding to the minraise but if you see it a lot and dont think its a strong hand you could call and reevaluate the turn.

hand3: raising the flop or the turn are both fine, but when there are a lot of draws I think it's better to try and get it on the flop because a lot of turncards are going to kill your action, you should fould this river thougt. when someone calls your turn raise and then leads into you it typically means the river improved his hand (you'll see lots of people check/calling their flushdraws and then donk into you when they hit)